High Point University Workman School of Dental Medicine

[D1Bound]

NO, if dentistry doesn't work then I have to do law school which needs the bar exam.... SO answer the questions?

Why is it “If not dentistry, I must become a lawyer” makes no sense. Law school is a lot of reading but I get the vibe it’s undergrad part 2.

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[Ryxndek]

NO, if dentistry doesn't work then I have to do law school which needs the bar exam.... SO answer the questions?

Why do you HAVE to do law school? Follow your passions, if you’re in between what you want to do then you should do more soul searching before committing to an expensive degree

 

[Big Time Hoosier]

Law school because I am not going to work min wage. Screw that and my wife is gonna kill me. These days woman want men to be rich otherwise you get separated. This is why woman care about social status more than anything in a man, sadly.

If you think dentistry is becoming saturated, it doesn’t even hold a candle to law. I read that something like a quarter of recent law grads end up taking jobs that don’t require them passing the Bar Exam, i.e. non-lawyer jobs. Imagine going to dental school to not practice dentistry. Makes a lot of sense, right? If you don’t go to Harvard, Yale, or Stanford Law, you’re wasting your time.

Big Hoss

 

[Ryxndek]

If you think dentistry is becoming saturated, it doesn’t even hold a candle to law. I read that something like a quarter of recent law grads end up taking jobs that don’t require them passing the Bar Exam, i.e. non-lawyer jobs. Imagine going to dental school to not practice dentistry. Makes a lot of sense, right? If you don’t go to Harvard, Yale, or Stanford Law, you’re wasting your time.

Big Hoss

Law has more and more schools popping up than dentistry. Yes I’ve heard the same thing. If you aren’t going to one of the top 30 something schools then you shouldn’t be going into law due to the fact that some firms won’t hire you or you aren’t taught enough to actually pass the bar exam.

 

[Chief's Pineapple]

NO, if dentistry doesn't work then I have to do law school which needs the bar exam.... SO answer the questions?

Can you answer my question? or keep giving out usless info that I didn't ask for..

How many people here have even taken the bar exam? You're asking dentists, dental students, and pre-dents about the bar exam??? Are we all really discussing law school now?

my wife is gonna kill me. These days woman want men to be rich otherwise you get separated. This is why woman care about social status more than anything in a man, sadly.

Homie, if this is the reason why your wife is even with you (financial expectations), you aren't going to get it as a dentist who graduated with the loans needed to pay for High Point...and I'd argue you need to get off SDN and seek some sort of professional life guidance.

 

[D1Bound]

Law school because I am not going to work min wage. Screw that and my wife is gonna kill me. These days woman want men to be rich otherwise you get separated. This is why woman care about social status more than anything in a man, sadly.

Hey man, Tom Brady is getting ready to get a divorce. He’s a top 0.0000001% male. Don’t let your job define you. I understand that professional accomplishment is important for you in many ways, but it is a material thing. Get some good mentors around you and do some soul searching about a future career. You’ll figure it out!

 

[Teeth and Titanite]

Hey man, Tom Brady is getting ready to get a divorce. He’s a top 0.0000001% male. Don’t let your job define you. I understand that professional accomplishment is important for you in many ways, but it is a material thing. Get some good mentors around you and do some soul searching about a future career. You’ll figure it out!

Was not expecting Tom Brady's divorce to pop up here lol, but this is facts

 

[wholeheartedly]

Let’s steer the thread back on topic please.

 

[Gustavo dos Santos]

Anyone see that they are also offering a 6-year accelerated undergrad/dental program. Sucking in the 18 year olds straight out of high school.

On a separate note, De Rossi was disliked by most faculty at UNC. Supposedly he didn’t inspire much confidence, and the school is undoing changes that he put in place. Many were happy when he left for HPU.

I’ve also hear that the school is planning to partner with heartland dental clinics in the area/region for clinic rotations. this could be wildly false though and just local dentists/faculty speculating. Not sure how CODA accreditation works either.

 

[Big Time Hoosier]

I’ve also hear that the school is planning to partner with heartland dental clinics in the area/region for clinic rotations.

Big Hoss

 

[bitewing5053]

ive heard rick workman opened the school to supply his own heartland's shortage of dds

i believe it. i work for heartland and we have a huge company conference coming up. the three main big keynote speakers are the ceo, workman, and the president of HPU. Interesting

 

[bitewing5053]

i believe it. i work for heartland and we have a huge company conference coming up. the three main big keynote speakers are the ceo, workman, and the president of HPU. Interesting

speak of the devil!

 

[D1Bound]

i believe it. i work for heartland and we have a huge company conference coming up. the three main big keynote speakers are the ceo, workman, and the president of HPU. Interesting

I imagine the model will be as follows: Heartland dental offices will have doctors Adjunct faculty. Dental students will come in to the clinics and bang out crowns for production, especially the D4s.

 

[Mr.Smile12]

In the med world, Mayo, Kaiser, Cleveland Clinic all hooked up with medical schools. I was wondering when corporate would invade dental education.

 

[macsak]

In the med world, Mayo, Kaiser, Cleveland Clinic all hooked up with medical schools. I was wondering when corporate would invade dental education.

but there's a huge difference between mayo, kaiser, and cleveland clinic and heartland dental...

 

[Big Time Hoosier]

but there's a huge difference between mayo, kaiser, and cleveland clinic and heartland dental...

This could very well be the first time in recorded history that Mayo Clinic and Heartland Dental were mentioned together in the same sentence.

Big Hoss

 

[macsak]

This could very well be the first time in recorded history that Mayo Clinic and Heartland Dental were mentioned together in the same sentence.

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Big Hoss

lol

 

[Chief's Pineapple]

but there's a huge difference between mayo, kaiser, and cleveland clinic and heartland dental...

My thoughts as well.

This could very well be the first time in recorded history that Mayo Clinic and Heartland Dental were mentioned together in the same sentence.

I remember during my previous schooling, during my clinical hours, I used Mayo Clinic's website for my patient reports almost exclusively. They had everything I needed about every specific disease process, but written in everyday, easily digestible language for the public. They basically wrote my reports for me. It was great. I have a feeling that if I get into dental school, I won't seek out the same kind of "help" from Heartland during dental school. Just a feeling.

 

[cbudz]

I've been looking into High Point's program and they have some appealing plans, but I am applying this cycle which means that I would be in their first cohort if I were to attend their school. Also, their dental building most likely won't be finished until I am a D2.

Does anyone know much about this new school? If you go to high point currently as an undergrad student, how do you like it? What is the city of High Point, NC like?

All I'm going to say is this: I attended HPU for a year in undergrad due to my naiveté as an 18 year old (now 25). I wanted to go somewhere as far south as possible, and I got waitlisted & deferred from my dream school in FL (New England resident). When I came to my senses, I transferred back to my state school after 1 year and ended up graduating with my B.S. in bio from my in-state school.

During my year at HPU, I witnessed countless times we would have guest speakers or faculty & upper-class students who would come on stage after and ask for donations to the school, saying the school has done so much for us and the least we could do is donate. At the time, the school was still developing and I ultimately felt it wouldn't provide me the best education so I left and made the best decision of my life by doing so! Most, if not all of my friends ended up transferring as well - super lower retention rate.

TL;DR I would highly recommend NOT attending the dental school. It's far too new and doesn't even guarantee the school is accredited at this time. Seems like a BIG money grab coming from someone who has seen their money-hungry mentality first-hand.

 

[camgib]

Unlike most schools, a new school doesn't have the luxury of countless qualified applicants vying for the seats. Established schools are usually not worried about people passing (it happens but just a few people a year). A new school that is dropping its admissions standards needs to be worried about people not passing.

As usual, the real risk is always on the students. If things don't work out, the school can always kick them out. However the debt is not going anywhere.

Lol my guy no dental school or professional school of any kind actually cares about its students, whether to not they require the dat. You would be delusional to think so. Every student is a ~$200,000 - $300,000 number to them. It's a business. Similar to how employers don't really care for their employees, the same concept can be applied to schools. Every school needs to fill seats. There are thousands of applicant per school every cycle so the profession is clearly in high demand. Filling seats isn't difficult.

 

[PikminOC]

Many undergrad colleges now don't require the sat or act.

 

[camgib]

Lol my guy no dental school or professional school of any kind actually cares about its students, whether to not they require the dat. You would be delusional to think so. Every student is a ~$200,000 - $300,000 number to them. It's a business. Similar to how employers don't really care for their employees, the same concept can be applied to schools. Every school needs to fill seats. There are thousands of applicant per school every cycle so the profession is clearly in high demand. Filling seats isn't difficult.

and a student isn't qualified just because they have good grades/got a high DAT score lol. Maybe this new university High Point understands this? That was the whole reason this convo started.

 

[Blueshirts]

and a student isn't qualified just because they have good grades/got a high DAT score lol. Maybe this new university High Point understands this? That was the whole reason this convo started.

Anyone can be a doctor, I’m going to suggest my cat give it a go

 

[camgib]

Anyone can be a doctor, I’m going to suggest my cat give it a go

I never said anyone cuz that's just not true lol. It's not cut out for everyone. But anyone that's able to learn the profession, yes definitely. A 4.0 GPA/super high exam score doesn't equate to an amazing future doctor. Like somebody in this thread said, there are no chemistry or perceptual questions when you're molding a crown lol.

 

[Big Time Hoosier]

A 4.0 GPA/super high exam score doesn't equate to an amazing future doctor.

It equates to you being able to handle the curriculum and not fail out.

Big Hoss

 

[dent4me11]

Why is that a red flag?

I have mixed feelings about the DAT. Someone could have stellar grades and scores but suck at hand and eye coordination. I scored average on DAT. One can be taught son sciences but difficult to teach on the coordination you would need. It seems like it will be a nice school

 

[0Mik3cho]

The DAT isn’t there to test how good a dentist you will be. It’s there for standardization and to assess your ability to stick to a challenging academic task for an extended period of time. Work ethic can’t be taught but hand-eye coordination absolutely can be trained. Take it from someone that will fumble a ball half the time if someone tossed it to him.

 

[dent4me11]

I disagree . Hand and eye coronation cannot be taught because I’ve seen it to where dental students go in with exceptional grades in scores in the end up quitting because they can’t grasp the hand and eye coordination

 

[Ryxndek]

I disagree . Hand and eye coronation cannot be taught because I’ve seen it to where dental students go in with exceptional grades in scores in the end up quitting because they can’t grasp the hand and eye coordination

Because they assume that with minimal work that their hands will just magically get better. It requires you to constantly keep practicing and doing more and more. People can be incredibly smart and not have to work that hard to understand material, if they think the same way about hand eye coordination and that it will come to them with minimal work then it makes sense why they quit. It’s a grind, you gotta be able to learn all the material and have great hand skills. Honestly you can learn both. I’m not the brightest bulb but damn do I work hard to be it

 

[dent4me11]

Because they assume that with minimal work that their hands will just magically get better. It requires you to constantly keep practicing and doing more and more. People can be incredibly smart and not have to work that hard to understand material, if they think the same way about hand eye coordination and that it will come to them with minimal work then it makes sense why they quit. It’s a grind, you gotta be able to learn all the material and have great hand skills. Honestly you can learn both. I’m not the brightest bulb but damn do I work hard to be it

Good for you! If you’re not applying to the school, I’d rather talk to somebody who is because I have a few questions I’m not here to get negative feedback about the school

 

[Boofy]

Sometimes life lessons are expensive and time consuming. Listening to experienced docs and those in school is sometimes a good trait to have.

 

[Ryxndek]

Good for you! If you’re not applying to the school, I’d rather talk to somebody who is because I have a few questions I’m not here to get negative feedback about the school

I wasn't providing negative feedback, just disagreed with you and giving you my thought process. Not a lot of people are applying to this school, that should be enough information to indicate that applicants aren't looking to attend for various reasons, one possibly being no DAT score is required. That's a big enough red flag already. It's the same way for medical schools, they say you do not go to schools that waive the MCAT, because it's just too big of a financial risk.

If you're really looking for questions, it may be helpful to reach out to the school to see if they have any ambassadors in admissions that you can speak to. I'm not sure you will find the questions you are looking for here since the school is so new and not many people know about it.

 

[camgib]

I wasn't providing negative feedback, just disagreed with you and giving you my thought process. Not a lot of people are applying to this school, that should be enough information to indicate that applicants aren't looking to attend for various reasons, one possibly being no DAT score is required. That's a big enough red flag already. It's the same way for medical schools, they say you do not go to schools that waive the MCAT, because it's just too big of a financial risk.

If you're really looking for questions, it may be helpful to reach out to the school to see if they have any ambassadors in admissions that you can speak to. I'm not sure you will find the questions you are looking for here since the school is so new and not many people know about it.

"not a lot of ppl are applying to this school" you don't know that lol. that data won't be available until the cycle opens up/after the cycle. No DAT requirement is not really a red flag if someone's heart is set on dentistry. Who cares about a meaningless test when you're trying to become a dentist. In the long-run nobody cares about which school they went to, and patients never ask. Now, if you're saying it's a potential financial risk since their tuition might be crazy high since they're waiving some regular requirements, then I can agree with you there. I haven't looked into their costs, but there are thousands of people who willingly put themselves half a mil+ in debt to pursue dentistry at other expensive schools, so some people clearly don't care about cost (which I think is wrong).

 

[dent4me11]

Sometimes life lessons are expensive and time consuming. Listening to experienced docs and those in school is sometimes a good trait to have.

Yea I listen to the more experience. A person who’s been in the dental field for many years I believe I know what I’m doing. Please go troll somewhere else.

 

[camgib]

The DAT isn’t there to test how good a dentist you will be. It’s there for standardization and to assess your ability to stick to a challenging academic task for an extended period of time. Work ethic can’t be taught but hand-eye coordination absolutely can be trained. Take it from someone that will fumble a ball half the time if someone tossed it to him.

I would rather have my dentist with a bad DAT score but good, strong, non-shaky hands then a dentist with a 25+ on the DAT but horrible hand-eye coordination and fumbles a ball/has butterfingers lol. Of course anything can be trained though. Also, GPA is a good indicator of someone's ability to stick to a challenging academic task for an extended period of time as well.

 

[Big Time Hoosier]

I would rather have my dentist with a bad DAT score but good, strong, non-shaky hands then a dentist with a 25+ on the DAT but horrible hand-eye coordination and fumbles a ball/has butterfingers lol.

Big Hoss

 

[0Mik3cho]

I would rather have my dentist with a bad DAT score but good, strong, non-shaky hands then a dentist with a 25+ on the DAT but horrible hand-eye coordination and fumbles a ball/has butterfingers lol. Of course anything can be trained though. Also, GPA is a good indicator of someone's ability to stick to a challenging academic task for an extended period of time as well.

I’ve never heard of a patient tossing their dentist a ball to test their skill so I’m safe.

 

[Teeth and Titanite]

I would rather have my dentist with a bad DAT score but good, strong, non-shaky hands then a dentist with a 25+ on the DAT but horrible hand-eye coordination and fumbles a ball/has butterfingers lol. Of course anything can be trained though. Also, GPA is a good indicator of someone's ability to stick to a challenging academic task for an extended period of time as well.

The second dentist in your example has good enough hands to pass the CDCA, and a 25+ on the DAT.

 

[macsak]

HPU Workman School of Dentistry is going to blow the roof off dental education as it is known today. This committee of seasoned dental educators sat down and composed a list of all of the things they hated about dental school education and designed their school and curriculum to eliminate these and improve on the clinical / practice model. The Dean of HPU Dental is Dr. DeRossi. He was the former Dean of Chapel Hill Dental School. One of the Nations most respected institutions. Dr. Ali is a Harvard trained Oral Med specialist well respected and admired in academia. These men know what they're doing. They have a long track record of success.

Some points to be eliminated form typical education:

First year students will not spend countless hours in long boring lecture halls, instead they will rotate through local hospitals and study oral medicine, pathology, neurology etc...with hands on experience.

Nothing worse in dental school than receiving a lower grade than a colleague simply because they got the "Dr. Easygrader" while you were stuck with "Dr. Perfection", even though you know your work was better. HPU has removed the Subjectivity in grading by using SIMODONT training system. Home - Simodont Dental Trainer - Taking away limits in dental education

Like medical students, dental students will now follow the medical training model. There will not be a large building where all patients come for care. Instead, students will practice in community based, state of the art, dental offices throughout their entire four years, learning not only how to provide dental care, but also how to refer to specialists, work directly with assistants in four handed dentistry, and some of the intricacies of successful practice management.

HPU Workman School of Dentistry will provide and Exceptional Education, in Exceptional Facilities, by Exceptional Faculty to Exceptional Students. Before anyone starts bashing HPU, I suggest you visit the school and check it out for yourself!

cool story, bro...

 

[D1Bound]

HPU Workman School of Dentistry is going to blow the roof off dental education as it is known today. This committee of seasoned dental educators sat down and composed a list of all of the things they hated about dental school education and designed their school and curriculum to eliminate these and improve on the clinical / practice model. The Dean of HPU Dental is Dr. DeRossi. He was the former Dean of Chapel Hill Dental School. One of the Nations most respected institutions. Dr. Ali is a Harvard trained Oral Med specialist well respected and admired in academia. These men know what they're doing. They have a long track record of success.

Some points to be eliminated form typical education:

First year students will not spend countless hours in long boring lecture halls, instead they will rotate through local hospitals and study oral medicine, pathology, neurology etc...with hands on experience.

Nothing worse in dental school than receiving a lower grade than a colleague simply because they got the "Dr. Easygrader" while you were stuck with "Dr. Perfection", even though you know your work was better. HPU has removed the Subjectivity in grading by using SIMODONT training system. Home - Simodont Dental Trainer - Taking away limits in dental education

Like medical students, dental students will now follow the medical training model. There will not be a large building where all patients come for care. Instead, students will practice in community based, state of the art, dental offices throughout their entire four years, learning not only how to provide dental care, but also how to refer to specialists, work directly with assistants in four handed dentistry, and some of the intricacies of successful practice management.

HPU Workman School of Dentistry will provide and Exceptional Education, in Exceptional Facilities, by Exceptional Faculty to Exceptional Students. Before anyone starts bashing HPU, I suggest you visit the school and check it out for yourself!

I don’t trust a single word of it. At the end of the day, a dental school will be run my administration. Administration is ALWAYS a pain in the neck.

 

[Big Time Hoosier]

HPU Workman School of Dentistry is going to blow the roof off dental education as it is known today.

Big Hoss

 

[askadds]

NICE! 330K for 4 years and add another 120k for living expenses...double thumbs up on paying so much.

 

[Emjaystro]

NICE! 330K for 4 years and add another 120k for living expenses...double thumbs up on paying so much.

What is the average tuition for most other dental schools?

 

[Ryxndek]

What is the average tuition for most other dental schools?

For state schools, anywhere from 25-60k a year, for privates it can range from 75-130k, but most hover around ~90-100k a year. Not including room/board

 

[Big Time Hoosier]

What is the average tuition for most other dental schools?

How long have you worked for High Point University? Did you have any say in their tuition? Are you sincerely concerned by recent grad debt levels?

Big Hoss

 

[Emjaystro]

How long have you worked for High Point University? Did you have any say in their tuition? Are you sincerely concerned by recent grad debt levels?

Big Hoss

I don't work for HPU.

 

[Emjaystro]

NICE! 330K for 4 years and add another 120k for living expenses...double thumbs up on paying so much.

Granted $80K is high, but when you consider the VA starts dentists at $150K / year with tuition reimbursement, Indian Health Service b/t $150-$200/year, Military and the USPHS is up to about $120K/year and offers scholarships and or tuition reimbursement, even county health dept. in North Carolina offer $100/hour.....that is a reasonable return on your investment. You can work for one of these organizations and be debt free in just a few years.

 

[Emjaystro]

How long have you worked for High Point University? Did you have any say in their tuition? Are you sincerely concerned by recent grad debt levels?

Big Hoss

Debt for dental school is commensurate with pay after graduation. I don't know of any starving / struggling / dentists...not a one! Unless of course, they spend it quicker than they make it. But a fool and their money are easily parted, no matter what they do for a living.

 

[D1Bound]

I don't work for HPU.

Yea right

 

[Big Time Hoosier]

I don't work for HPU.

Right…

Big Hoss