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Discussion in 'Internal Medicine and IM Subspecialties' started by CerebralCat, Sep 15, 2018.
Not unusual it seems in nyc and Columbia presby has had more suicides than slr
I think I should bump my post. Can anyone help me with list please?
Guys, any tips on metrowest? Not a lot of information on their website.
Hey guys, what about Medstar WHC vs Mt Sinai SLR?
I am interested in both cards and gi
Thanks a lot. Take care.
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Both are good for cards, but I've heard that WHC is dead for GI. You might wanna confirm that though
Just now reflecting on my wonderful interview a while back at Washington MedStar. As an IMG, this is a weird question to ask, but I am curious to why all the residents are IMGs. I love the idea of having a very diverse class but I am curious to know if there are any thoughts to why an American grad wouldn't select the program for a categorical position. The program is in an amazing location, beautiful hospital, and fantastic fellowship opportunities. Just wondering! Thanks for any insight.
You might want to post that on the rank thread or Reddit, where there are a ton of AMGs to answer that question.
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Didn't even think about that - good shout, thanks!
I think this is a great list. Your desire to stay in the NE and possibly go into GI (while still receiving great primary care training for a potential hospitalist gig) is reflected well in the order imo. I'd consider moving Ascension higher if they have better research and fellowship matching than the ones that are higher up, especially if the location is suitable. It's my personal opinion that it's better to go to a program with better research and fellowship matching than it is to go to a place that happens to have that in-house fellowship. Because not everyone gives their own people priority, and with better research and resources, you build yourself up to be a stronger candidate who can match in many places vs. someone who went somewhere with weaker research and missed out on their in-house GI while also not building up their CV to match at other places either. Just my 2 cents. But I think your top 5 is solid and will likely be where you end up.
Has anyone interviewed at Abrazo?
How important is Trauma Level for IM? Should we care since we are not surgeons or in ICU alot
I dont think as much. Trauma is usually staffed by Surgery, Anesthesia and/or ER. Through IM, you're going to be running MICU but never the SICU, at least at academic settings.
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westchester is not a uni program
because out of the academic programs in the DC area, WHC as a community program and is not going to high on the list.
Thank you for input! Yes, I think I will move up Ascension higher than #9 or even #8. Liked every other aspect at the Interview.
Yes, which is why I also indicated as strong tie on same group. I still do think they got advantage over other community programs in that regard...
Not import at all really
More important would be STEMI, stroke, thrombectomy, ECMO, transplant, advanced heart failure.....
It's completely irrelevant to anyone not training to be a trauma surgeon. It's not even that important for EM.
Can't help you that much with your list but does anyone else feel Richmond University Staten Island is interviewing everyone? I feel they are on everyone's list and I'm very wary of ranking them highly because of this. Can anyone at all provide more information about Richmond Univeristy Staten Island?
I haven’t interviewed there but you should be ranking if YOU find them good place to train and work at, not how other candidates are getting interviews or how the program thinks of you. Just think about how you like about the program
They didn’t interview me. Should I be worried?! lool
Hi guys. I've been following this thread for a few days now and it has been really helpful. I was just wondering if someone could help me in my ROL. I'm a visa-requiring IMG (hoping for an h1) and maybe going into cards/hospitalist. not sure yet but hoping to keep fellowship open. Location is not an issue. More for good clinical training, good fellowship options and h1-sponsoring programs. My current list is as follows:
1. Rush U - mostly AMGs, i was hoping for a more diverse and IMG-friendly program too. I also feel like there's a more solid clinical training and exposure in my other programs and even next door with cook where they have a more underserved population but then again, this is a univ program, which i think has better fellowship and research opportunities. and I like Chicago
2. Sinai SLR-West
3. Einstein Philly
*I feel 2 and 3 are both strong community programs with solid fellowship matches and good training. Some days it even goes up to 1 so I really can't decide
4. Cook County
5. Beaumont Royal Oak
6. UConn - only J1. this would've been a bit higher if it sponsored h1
7. SUNY Downstate - J1 only
8-15 - other community programs ranked based on gut-feeling but really hoping i won't go this far down my ROL
Thanks really looking for help for my top 3. the order keeps changing everyday.
Even though "uni should be upper in your list" is often said, lots of community programs I know have stronger fellowship matches. Rush is a beautiful hospital but SLR and Einstein have better training and fellowship matches. I have a friend who did her residency at Rush and now work as a hospitalist at Cook County and she tells me she sees much better training at Cook. Of course there are personal reasons like city and other things that you mention. Cook is an awesome program too, with diverse imgs which suits us even more.
I don't know about beaumont... How is Detroit?
Hi guys! I am done with my interviews. A few programs I need help with for ranking. Interested in a fellowship. Thinking of HO/PC/Cards. Listing according to my assessment of the quality of clinical training and fellowship placements (honestly, that’s all I care for) .
1. Cook County
4. Mount Auburn
I’d put it in reverse order.
What is HO? About Cards, I know Jacobi has great fellowship match and Allegheny has great inhouse cards. All of these are very strong programs and very close to each other so rank them based on which one you personally liked the most. If you want Primary Care I think Mount Auburn is a very strong choice.
I second what the guys said. I would at least put Jacobi at #1 for cards and hem-onc. Allegheny has amazing fellowship placement as well.
Agree with everyone. I would say that if you care about location and life style, choose reverse. But you specifically say you just care about training and fellowship so go for Jacobi haha
Interested in GI vs Hem-Onc fellowship post-training-
Preference for criteria
4. Fellowship Opportunities (in-house/ good match outside)
Will really appreciate help with these programs in making a ROL -
(This is not the final ROL from my side)
1. Kansas University - Kansas City
2. Johns Hopkins Bayview Medical Center -Baltimore
3. University of Louisville - Louisville
4. Cook County Hospital - Chicago
5. Mount Sinai SLW - NYC
6. Ochsner Clinic-New Orleans, LA
7. Cooper University - Camden, NJ
8. University of New Mexico Hospital - Albuquerque
9. University of Chicago/ Northshore University Hospital - Chicago (Yet to interview)
10. Kansas University - Wichita
11. University of Arizona - South Campus - Tucson
12. Bridgeport Hospital-Yale University - Bridgeport, Connecticut (Yet to interview)
13. University of Central Florida - Orlando
14. Aventura Hospital - Miami
15. RWJ/St Barnabas Hospital - Livingston, NJ
16. Ascension St John Providence Hospital - Detroit
17. St. Lukes Hospital - St Louis MO
18. South Nassau Communities Hospital/ Mount Sinai - NYC
19. Hackensack Mountainside Hospital, Mont Clair, NJ
20. Gwinnett Medical Center - Lawrenceville, GA
21. Mount Sinai Queens Hospital Center - NY
I liked it too and I'd be happy to end up anywhere in my top 5. thank you! really appreciate the input
Quite impressive list especially given that you've failed CS once. The mid-tier Univ and top community programs on your list are all really good in terms of fellowship placement. I generally would like to put Univ programs ahead of the community ones, but some may disagree this approach.
Would you rank Louisville ahead of Bayview and Cook County?
1.Kansas Uni vs Uni Louisville
2. Mount Sinai SLW vs Ochsner Clinic
And 3. Uni New Mexico vs Cooper Uni?
Many consider Bayview a university program and should be very high on your list as you have done here. I don’t know much about Kansas and you probably have your reasons for putting it higher. I would not rank any other program higher than Bayview.
I think it depends on what other interviews you were invited to, like @qPCR mentioned. Also, good program has a lot of definitions.
Broadly, it is a community hospital in NY with a lot of scutwork. I do not think it's the worst place you could end up but it is not considered at the same level as other community programs in NY like Jacobi or Mount Sinai Saint Luke's. You will probably be exposed to a lot of different pathology and high volume of patients but that does not equal good training. To me, how much effort they put into interview day matters... making me write down my scores and/if any attempts on a blank piece of paper the moment I come into the conference room just makes me feel like they are not organized or prepared or even care enough to print out my application. But that's just me! It really depends what you are comparing it against
I agree Bayview definitely should be where it is if not #1.
Something about ranking:
You can change your rank order list as many times as you wish before deadline. My advice is always certify the list right after every time you change your list.
Do not rank based on your perceived likelihood of being match in that program. For example, don't rank XXX before MGH because you think you have higher chance of matching into XXX.
Do not send multiple No.1 letter.
Don't worry if you do not plan to send No.1 letter.
50% match into No.1. 70% match into top 2, 80% match into top 3. You've done all you can do. Just wait and hope for the best!
If a program mentioned during the interview that they sponsor both J1 and H1b (either the program director or program coordinator), do we need to double check that they do offer H1b via email or that's enough? Thanks
I thought you have personal preference to put Kansas U number 1...otherwise Bayview program is probably more well-known
does anyone have an insight on how to compare these 2 programs? No visa issues. want Fellowship in HEMONC.
Nassau university medical center (east meadow ny) (no name but in house Fellowship) not really sure about how it compares to others.
Richmond University medical center
You are right- I work at KU currently but it is more because I can maintain continuity of the work here if residency 3 years are from here too which gives it a little edge over bayview. However not sure as KU does not have the best fellowship match rates if we compare my top 5.
According to fellowship match rate for GI it would be
Uni Louisville> Bayview/UNM/Cooper > Ochsner> Cook County> KU> SLR>
Does anyone have any insight into these community programs in California? They are currently in the middle of my ROL and I’m wondering how to order them.
1. UCSF Fresno
2. Eisenhower Medical Center
3. Riverside Community Hospital
4. St Mary Long Beach
If you are unsure about visa sponsorship for some reason, it would be better to double check before you submit your rank list.
I am a Non-US IMG, requires visa probably H1b but not sure yet.
Aim: Interventional Cardiology
I interviewed at 20 programs and this is my top 10 considering I won't go down from here (hopefully)
My preferences are an academically strong program with mix cultural diversity, decent cards fellowship and location.
Your inputs would be highly appreciated.
1. Jacobi Medical Center, Bronx, NY
2. Cook County, Chicago, IL
3. MetroHealth/Case Western, Cleveland, OH
4. Baylor University Medical Center, Dallas, TX
5. University of New Mexico, Albuquerque, NM
6. Norwalk Hospital/ Yale University, Norwalk, CT
7. Rochester General Hospital, Rochester, NY
8. Abington Memorial/ Jefferson health, Abington, PA
9. Southern Illinois University, Springfield, IL
10. Saint Barnabas/RWJ, Livingston, NJ
Take j1, you had some good j1s. You can get more program options for fellowship on j1
Why metro health, uni affiliate above actual uni programs?
I’ll take a leap to suggest It looks like he values large academic public safety net hospitals. Jacobi, cook county, metrohealth fit that bill. And they’re all university affiliates as well. Einstein, rush, case western. But pretty good ones.
I found MetroHealth a strong community program with in house fellowships and being in Cleveland, you have future opportunities in University Hospitals and CCF too.
Talking about BUMC, 95% of residents are Texas AMGs so I felt a bit left out and residency is spending 3 years with your colleagues as a family so I would be more comfortable in a mix and culturally diverse program.
In that regard, UNM fulfills all the criteria, university program, in house fellowships and mix culture but the issue is location!! It's really confusing!!
Thanks for your words and even I didn't think in that way, but this makes sense!! Pretty impressive analysis.
Initially I thought you rank these Univ programs lower due to visa issue. For people want to do these very competitive fellowships (GI, card...), reputation and connection of your residency programs highly associated with the number of IV.