Kirby - Game Thread

[PippyPony]

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unvote mothy
vote mayo

For some reason I am quite bothered by this. It might be dumb, but I don't think people get to pull a "X gonna be X" about themselves. And UNO-reversing that on genny after she'd resisted samac town reading mayo just looks fake and discrediting.

Considering I'm in your POE, you seem to be following my votes pretty readily

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Considering I'm in your POE, you seem to be following my votes pretty readily

That doesn’t mean much to me. Truth be told I’ve paid little attention to who’s on what wagon anyway, and I didn’t even know where you’d voted. Votes by other players are a low priority in my solving process.

 

[WildZoo]

Genny way?

It's too soon 😱 but probably tbh

I love how a moth yeet feels boring to Dubz, but the tale as old as time "yeet pippy with all haste" is somehow fresh and new

It is for me!

Anyway I was more referring to wagon composition than specific player meta.

To be fair, we haven’t done it in months

See, mayo gets it!

village samac also LOVES to spew about how village she is

Did she not do her villageriest villager to ever village thing in PaWWsta? Dang I should have noticed that if so.

 

[WildZoo]

@Dinashadow I did actually open your spoiler on samac but I'm not seeing the degree of difference you're seeing between this game and PaWWsta.

 

[WildZoo]

I did an ISO on pippy and I also don't really see a ton of evidence for wolfy behavior. Zenge staked an early claim of wolfiness, and it seems that everyone else just followed along because Zenge said so. Not super convincing. I'm not saying Zenge is intentionally setting up a misyeet, just than he isn't infallible.

Did you read my posts about my vote? I did have reasoning beyond just following Zenge (though that did contribute).

Spoiler

unyeet samac yeet Pippy

This post feels funky



And so far I can't find the games she's referring to when Zenge was wrong on her or pushed her while he was wolfing

Madagascar - Pippy wolf, Zenge village. He pushed her correctly and died.

OWWlympics - Pippy wolf, Zenge village. Wasn't on her vote but was suspicious of her, talked about her d1 vote being sus

Worst idea - not super helpful because multiball lol Mafia!Zenge pushed Goo!Pippy

Goats - SK!Pippy, Village!Zenge. Zenge was on her vote d1



Am I missing any games you played together @Zenge142 @PippyPony ?


This isn't 100% about Zenge's read rate on Pippy, though it is good. It's more than it feels like Pippy misrepresented it when I asked about it, unless I'm missing games.

 

[WildZoo]

Time for my 11pm tinfoil - JJJ is a wolf. Most of us were involved with stardew 2 and watched JJJ open that game with a bus on a fellow wolf (yours truly). He knew he couldn't get away with that strategy this time, so he held back and waited to place his vote on an existing wagon, then tried to find reasoning to justify the vote after the fact. The vote-count analysis was simply a strategy to bide time until wagons were formed

I'd love for anyone who knows more about JJJ's metagame to explain how I'm wrong, but for now:

Yeet JJJ

He didn't vote for you immediately though. Iirc he held his vote until the second irl day of the first elimination cycle, and you weren't his first vote either. Plus your wagon did already exist before he voted there, he was the third vote.

So in that way vote behavior isn't actually that different, but interesting that you're saying it is and using that as justification for a vote.

What would you expect of a village!Jay this game then?

 

[WildZoo]

spushing

*giggle*

 

[WildZoo]

There’s my solve 😉

Smh AM is modding and suddenly the wolves all think they can just drunk post openly without consequences

 

[WildZoo]

He didn't vote for you immediately though. Iirc he held his vote until the second irl day of the first elimination cycle, and you weren't his first vote either. Plus your wagon did already exist before he voted there, he was the third vote.

So in that way vote behavior isn't actually that different, but interesting that you're saying it is and using that as justification for a vote.

What would you expect of a village!Jay this game then?

Boop I read more and saw this was sort of addressed

Though my last question stands

 

[motheatenlysis]

Smh AM is modding and suddenly the wolves all think they can just drunk post openly without consequences

I wasn’t drunk!

Oh wait…

 

[samac]

It's too soon 😱 but probably tbh


It is for me!

Anyway I was more referring to wagon composition than specific player meta.


See, mayo gets it!



Did she not do her villageriest villager to ever village thing in PaWWsta? Dang I should have noticed that if so.

You called me wolf like 2 hours into the game so I actually leaned into that instead lol

 

[WildZoo]

You called me wolf like 2 hours into the game so I actually leaned into that instead lol

Well ****

 

[WildZoo]

@samac no wolf pings at all? That feels unusual for you

 

[mightyrunner7]

He didn't vote for you immediately though. Iirc he held his vote until the second irl day of the first elimination cycle, and you weren't his first vote either. Plus your wagon did already exist before he voted there, he was the third vote.

So in that way vote behavior isn't actually that different, but interesting that you're saying it is and using that as justification for a vote.

What would you expect of a village!Jay this game then?

The key point I was trying to make was last game JJJ garnered a ton of credibility due to an early bus on a fellow wolf

Therefore, if JJJ was a wolf this game, I highly doubt he would continue with a strategy to bus a fellow wolf

I was less using this as justification for a vote and more anticipating a rebuttal tied to "Well, JJJ bused last game, do you think he is bussing again?" However, since JJJ has since moved his vote, this entire line of reasoning has become much less relevant

 

[mightyrunner7]

Did you read my posts about my vote? I did have reasoning beyond just following Zenge (though that did contribute).

I did, but your reasonig essentially boiled down to 2 arguments:

1. "I'll follow Zenge" - I already stated I don't love this rationale

2. "I found Pippy backing away from JJJ as sus" - I see this interpretation, but I frankly interpret it the opposite.

I'll agree that you had better justification than either Genny or the doc, but I still don't find it convincing enough to put Pippy in my PoE

 

[WildZoo]

I did, but your reasonig essentially boiled down to 2 arguments:

1. "I'll follow Zenge" - I already stated I don't love this rationale

2. "I found Pippy backing away from JJJ as sus" - I see this interpretation, but I frankly interpret it the opposite.

I'll agree that you had better justification than either Genny or the doc, but I still don't find it convincing enough to put Pippy in my PoE

Okay, not convinced you actually read my posts then, because there's a third and important point about her misrepresenting Zenge's history of reading her. And I said in that post it wasn't 100% about Zenge having a decent ability to read her, but about the attempt to discredit it.

I can see why you would interpret her flipping her read on Jay differently since you're wolf-reading him, but it's less about that and more about how that post felt. More about the [Sporty voice] tone.

Not saying you have to agree because that's whatever, but it's disingenuous to represent the wagon as entirely existing because of following Zenge.

 

[mightyrunner7]

My PoE is currently JJJ and Mayo. I'll try to find a third to add to this, but I think a lot may happen today as the low posters are forced to get up to 40

 

[moonstermash]

Sorry for disappearing yesterday. I got unexpectedly busy, plus I've recently started doing this thing called "sleep hygiene" where I don't bring my phone to bed. Wild, right?

Anyway, I'm caught up, will try to finish the WW homework I gave myself, then I'll probably dip again for awhile. I should be free and clear for the hour before twilight, if not sooner.

 

[supershorty]

I don't bring my phone to bed.

sounds impossible if not downright illegal

 

[moonstermash]

are you wolf reading mothy or did you just vote her to make a tie?

At the time (and now), moth was neutral, and I had Pippy as a town lean. So yeah, it was mostly to make the tie.

 

[PippyPony]

Okay, not convinced you actually read my posts then, because there's a third and important point about her misrepresenting Zenge's history of reading her.

Serious question: when have you ever seen me correctly pull WW history out of my butt -- regardless of affiliation

It's just not something I have the RAM for.

He does read me well, but he's wrong this time 🤷🏼‍♀️ (or less likely, wolfy)

The blind hardcore sheeping feels sus, and although I do have Zenge in village, if he is ok with this, it is also sus.

 

[samac]

@samac no wolf pings at all? That feels unusual for you

I KNOW IM CHOKING

 

[WildZoo]

Serious question: when have you ever seen me correctly pull WW history out of my butt -- regardless of affiliation

It's just not something I have the RAM for.

He does read me well, but he's wrong this time 🤷🏼‍♀️ (or less likely, wolfy)

The blind hardcore sheeping feels sus, and although I do have Zenge in village, if he is ok with this, it is also sus.

I don't have the RAM for that lol but then why say it if you don't know whether it's true?

Anyway I always find sheeping Zenge to be useful in one way or another, not likely to stop doing it anytime soon.

 

[Boquise]

having skimmed a few posts when waking up, I have concluded that moth is town tbh

 

[WildZoo]

I KNOW IM CHOKING

YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO CAMPAIGN FOR THE CHOKE AWWARD

 

[PippyPony]

That doesn’t mean much to me. Truth be told I’ve paid little attention to who’s on what wagon anyway, and I didn’t even know where you’d voted. Votes by other players are a low priority in my solving process.

See I would think that establishing a village block who you vote with to maximum effect would be high in the priority list for a POE approach.

What's your rationale for voting with people you think are wolves?

 

[samac]

YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO CAMPAIGN FOR THE CHOKE AWWARD

GIRLS GOTTA CHOKE SOMETIME
MIGHT AS WELL BE IN THE CHAMPS PRACTICE GAME

 

[PippyPony]

I don't have the RAM for that lol but then why say it if you don't know whether it's true?

Because it is true in my head cannon

Anyway I always find sheeping Zenge to be useful in one way or another

Yes I'm sure you do

 

[moonstermash]

Day 1 Yeet Tally
Zenge (1) - mayo 8
Pippy (3) - Zenge 71, Wilgy 57, dubz 58
mayo (3) - Pippy 45, JJJ 81, Nate 11
samac () -
moth (2) - PSV 43, moon 21
dubz (1) - Boq 26
JJJ (1) - mighty 12
Nate (1) - samac 61
Wilgy (1) - moth 59

13/15
yeet close in ~20.5 hours

Interesting how the moth wagon wagon shrunk and now mayo is tied with Pippy. The movement on/around Pippy's wagon suggests she's town to me, but that's probably a level 1 read.

 

[mightyrunner7]

Okay, not convinced you actually read my posts then, because there's a third and important point about her misrepresenting Zenge's history of reading her. And I said in that post it wasn't 100% about Zenge having a decent ability to read her, but about the attempt to discredit it.

I can see why you would interpret her flipping her read on Jay differently since you're wolf-reading him, but it's less about that and more about how that post felt. More about the [Sporty voice] tone.

Not saying you have to agree because that's whatever, but it's disingenuous to represent the wagon as entirely existing because of following Zenge.

Oh jeez, your argument is based on tone? No wonder i missed it

In all seriousness, I'll grant that you have the best rationale of the Pippy wagon, I just don't find it convincing enough for me to put Pippy in my PoE

 

[Boquise]

Good point.

Great, not my entire PoE is ruined.

i dont really get why this was a good point and stuff @DrWilgy

 

[samac]

Interesting how the moth wagon wagon shrunk and now mayo is tied with Pippy. The movement on/around Pippy's wagon suggests she's town to me, but that's probably a level 1 read.

Why?
It’s just been like an n=1 movement

 

[Boquise]

IDK that I've ever had anybody call me moonie before. 🤔 There's a chance you remember me from Anni '22, or maybe you specced S8SCI or Nate's and my hydra game, but otherwise I don't think we've played together.

i keep being a clown...

 

[WildZoo]

Oh jeez, your argument is based on tone? No wonder i missed it

How dare

 

[samac]

Oh jeez, your argument is based on tone? No wonder i missed it

In all seriousness, I'll grant that you have the best rationale of the Pippy wagon, I just don't find it convincing enough for me to put Pippy in my PoE

I caught you last game entirely on tone sir it’s a valid way to read people

Though I think I’ve realized I rely way too damn much on meta this game with so many unfamiliar faces.

 

[supershorty]

Though I think I’ve realized I rely way too damn much on meta

me in g7 being like "huh, do I even know how to play the game without meta?"

 

[Boquise]

Where were you to propose this strategy last game, smh

busy wolf sweeping tbh

For why?

I found this post to be mildly wolfy tbh:

She's tricksy that one. Always using those shouty caps to get on people's good side.

How do you feel about her so far?

Potential was asking for reasons why players are town reading samac, and your response is sorta of a non-response? It starts with some mild shade "She's tricksy that one" that develops into a nothing read, to then turn it around with a question. Like you weren't answering the question really, instead your explanation is that samac is tricksy and getting on people's good side (which is pocketing). So that means that people are being pocketed by her, according to you.

And I realise I am delving deep here, but it is a sort of non-answer I expect wolves to write to get conversation going.

 

[WildZoo]

I caught you last game entirely on tone sir it’s a valid way to read people

Though I think I’ve realized I rely way too damn much on meta this game with so many unfamiliar faces.

Me: Okay I should try not using meta
Also me: meta meta meta meta meta

 

[moonstermash]

Why?
It’s just been like an n=1 movement

It just doesn't seem like people are compelled to save her. But IDK, some wolves have nerves of steel, hence the level 1 comment.

(On the flip side, people don't seem to feel that compelled to vote her more, which suggests she isn't town, or maybe that there haven't been wolves in danger yet? IDK. My VCA works better with wolf flips, anyway.)

 

[WildZoo]

Potential was asking for reasons why players are town reading samac, and your response is sorta of a non-response? It starts with some mild shade "She's tricksy that one" that develops into a nothing read, to then turn it around with a question. Like you weren't answering the question really, instead your explanation is that samac is tricksy and getting on people's good side (which is pocketing). So that means that people are being pocketed by her, according to you.

And I realise I am delving deep here, but it is a sort of non-answer I expect wolves to write to get conversation going.

I expanded on that later - I was specifically interested in PSV's read there because she was pretty quick to village read samac last game* and I remembered talking to her about that read at the time, and her general ability to read samac

I had and still have samac in neutral so I didn't have an answer to her question

*oh god more meta

 

[samac]

busy wolf sweeping tbh

I found this post to be mildly wolfy tbh:


Potential was asking for reasons why players are town reading samac, and your response is sorta of a non-response? It starts with some mild shade "She's tricksy that one" that develops into a nothing read, to then turn it around with a question. Like you weren't answering the question really, instead your explanation is that samac is tricksy and getting on people's good side (which is pocketing). So that means that people are being pocketed by her, according to you.

And I realise I am delving deep here, but it is a sort of non-answer I expect wolves to write to get conversation going.

Was ISOing you, thinking about voting you because your reads have felt extra shallow
Then you do this and it’s a fair point.

Dubz you woofing?

 

[moonstermash]

i keep being a clown...

Eh, don't sweat it. Apparently there's just way too many people with moon names!

 

[Boquise]

It was an innocent mothy thing in that I find him amusing and found his posts here to be as such and was in agreement with PSV re: the video of him juggling. And now I know that every word you use in this game is looked at with a fine tooth comb.
Also, I'm not wolf aligned with JJJ (that would require me to be a wolf) so...
Yeet JJJ

This is a good comparison to Pippy's response to pressure earlier.

I have some personal reasons why I think Zenge's vote on me is just wrong vs wolfy. On top of that, as I've already stated, I have him at a slight village lean.

These two reactions are polar opposites.
Moth answers with aggression and OMGUS JJJ and Pippy tries to appease Zenge.

Beware, pseudo scientific ramblings are coming

It is usually more rand>wolf to try to appease than to aggro back. Mostly because of psychology, and especially when it comes to new players (idk how long Pippy has played, but Moth said this was their fourth game so it is valid with them at least). A town player, especially a new one, has a difficult time understanding pushes subconsciously. "HOW YOU can PUSH ME so MUCH. Because from their biased pov they are town. Everything they write is from town. How can you intellectually suspect that? Well, YOU must be a wolf if you push me this much because you are wrong and being wrong is wolfy". This sort of emotional reaction sips into the posts and also make them solve based on it.

A wolf who gets pushed knows that the pushers are correct. Which means that they have a harder time to argue back/push back, because they know that they are talking to a town player who is also correct with their take.

 

[samac]

1. @potentialsheltervet - villagey?
2. @mightyrunner7 - much more village than last game
3. @NateTheLesser - yawn. Do something
4. @JaggedJimmyJay - no I’m scared of you
5. @samac
6. @Zenge142 - D2
7. @WildZoo - hum?
8. @Boquise - hum?
9. @Dinashadow - hum?
10. @genny - Genny way TM?
11. @PippyPony - nope I’m just gonna let other people handle that slot
12. @moonstermash - villagey
13. @holdthemayo - villagey
14. @motheatenlysis - village
15. @DrWilgy - I remember nothing you’ve done and I’m not sure what kind of sign that is

So I guess is I take all my village leans out and people that I’m going to give some time to resolve (JJJ, Zenge) that leaves me with a POE of Wilgy, Pippy, Dina, Bo, Dubz, and Nate.
Hum.

 

[moonstermash]

Full catchup notes if someone wishes to explore my immediate observations during skim:

Spoiler

#1-14 Banter between WildZoo and Samac
#26 WildZoo pockets Zenge/Samac
#38 someone please define thread mommy
#39 Pippy pushes Zenge
#66 WildZoo pockets Jay
#78 Zenge pushes MightyRunner
#79 JJJ pockets WildZoo
#81 Samac pushes Zenge, re #78
further #84
#85 Zenge pushes Jay/WildZoo
#89 Genny pushes WildZoo, disagree with JJJ
#100 Genny pockets Zenge
#120 JJJ pockets Samac
#124 PSV pockets JJJ
#134 Moonster pockets Genny, Genny not W/W with JJJ
#155 Zenge pockets PSV
#156 Moonster suggests dif between Moth/MightyRunner
#163 Genny pushes Pippy on JJJ TMI
#168 Pippy pockets JJJ
#169 Pippy pushes WildZoo and Genny
#175 Zenge pushes Pippy
#187 JJJ pockets Samac, WildZoo, Genny
#198 WildZoo re Pippy -> feels important, Pippy has heavy thread tension

#134 is a PSV post, which post of mine did you think I pocketed genny with?

 

[WildZoo]

Was ISOing you, thinking about voting you because your reads have felt extra shallow
Then you do this and it’s a fair point.

Dubz you woofing?

No, I am fully in my village meta. Probably have to check with Zenge to be sure though.

 

[moonstermash]

I had a sense that Pippy/JJJ weren't W/W after their conversation yesterday, but reading back IDK that I'm confident in it. It's a lot of theory talk, which is not as hard for wolves to fake as reads. I do have town leans on both of them, though.

 

[Boquise]

Why? Just in general why?

That was a jump I didn’t see coming

From the top of my head:
Zenge was the first to commit with a serious vote and ime wolves like to not be the first to do pushes. There were some posts I read as townie but i have forgot them rip

Mighty because they have the best avi and is my sidekick/partner in solving this crime-filled hospital village whilst the faint music from a saxophone is heard from the rainy outdoors. They also wrote a townie post.

Genny because their reaction to JJJ sorta implying that they are new to the game felt very townie

Potential, because if they are a wolf, they decided to hail mary town read JJJ right out of the gate when people were doing a mundande paranoid-of-JJJ-dance. Only where this makes sense for Potential as wolf is if they are a wolf with JJJ. I dont see scum randomly going in and hard town reading a player like that. Potential also referred back to the game where JJJ won and no one listened to Potential. I caught a wolf recently by looking at how he wasn't paranoid at all over me despite me just recently wolf sweeping him when he had a scum read on me during the early days. The diff here is that he just went "boq is town 🙂 " no questions asked, whereas Potential here made a whole story about it, referred to the past heavily, and explained their read. So town or w/w with JJJ.

Moonster read is outdated because I misread them as someone else. Tho mild town points for mind melding with me on Genny.

Dr Wilgy, because he read my JJJ stuff as 100% serious, misunderstood a part (asking me where in JJJ's performance is he lining up misyeets, and when I doubled down on that by asking a rhetorical question, he kinda stopped the discussion. Felt like as scum he could waste my and everyone's time there by discussing with me) of the post too. I also find Dr Wilgy to be solvy. Which is not a great read in itself, but it as a great reason to keep Dr. Wilgy around for a while tbh

Like. Just to be clearer with the JJJ stuff. Dr Wilgy came in and defended poor JJJ from mean ol' Boq there. Told my theory is wrong on how you solve JJJ. I don't think a wolf does that towards a town (if JJJ is town), nor to a scum mate (if JJJ is scum). So it should make Wilgy town.


what did you think of the jump tbh

I love how a moth yeet feels boring to Dubz, but the tale as old as time "yeet pippy with all haste" is somehow fresh and new

this reads to me as caught for the wrong reasons tbh/wolf salt

 

[Boquise]

I hate to argue against someone who’s village reading me but there was more fluff before I said icky in pasta
And how do you feel that I quickly worried about JJJ and TMI perspective slip and my early spat with Zenges?

Why do you hate to argue against someone who is village reading you?

 

[Boquise]

TBH, I'm not a huge fan of either of the two leading yeets.

Moth feels like a n00b who had an awkward exchange that has been blown out of proportion. It seems most of the sus is driven by being overly defensive, and as a n00b myself, I've certainly made that mistake.

I did an ISO on pippy and I also don't really see a ton of evidence for wolfy behavior. Zenge staked an early claim of wolfiness, and it seems that everyone else just followed along because Zenge said so. Not super convincing. I'm not saying Zenge is intentionally setting up a misyeet, just than he isn't infallible.

In fact, this was my favorite Pippy moment so far:



The context is in regards to JJJ talking mostly about game theory and less about offering concrete wolf-solving examples. As part of this exchange, JJJ asserted that he would hold back his vote until more evidence arrives. Then, a few pages later, he chose to vote against moth based on evidence that had already existed. This felt less about game solving and more about trying to find which wagon he could stomach.

i think that this is always coming from town tbh