Kirby - Game Thread

[NateTheLesser]

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Correct, samac has bussed but the mutual sus treatment looks a bit odd for distancing purposes considering neither was seriously in danger.

I agree with this, I don't think they're w/w

 

[DrWilgy]

Okay, finally caught up.

I'm not a huge fan of the massive Dubz wagon. If JJJ put a gun to my head, I'm give a village read, but in reality I'd say neutral.

It really feels like people are piling on Dubz due to Zenge's read. Wow, I almost have Deja Vu from this morning... Why are we giving Zenge so much power? I don't think this is AI for Zenge either way, I'm just more questioning everyone else for blindly following along.

Honestly, the only person on the Dubz wagon who truly feels authentic is PSV, since she has been consistently hinting at this read all game

Mighty, From what I saw of your ISO it's mostly pertaining to JJJ. Care to fill me in on who you'd vote if not JJJ and your general understanding/reads?

 

[holdthemayo]

If I gotta pick hardcore yes or no village/wolf right now I’m going wolf

Samac, just in case I don't see it, what was the turning point from Zenges being a wolf to sheeping him on Dubz? It's a big about face

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Samac, just in case I don't see it, what was the turning point from Zenges being a wolf to sheeping him on Dubz? It's a big about face

Oho

 

[DrWilgy]

Something to think about.

If Dubz is wolf, they've just had a slow momentum all day. Does this imply that their teammates have decided to not attempt a save?

Or is this pivot away from Mayo wolf supported?

 

[samac]

I need to channel my inner samac

Not sure if I even have an inner samac, but we gon do the best we can

You definitely do
Dig deep
Feel those caps
And just post with wreckless abandon

TRY TYPING IN ALL CAPS!!!

FEELS GOOD DOESNT IT

ok

MAYO WHY ARE YOU VOTING FOR ZENGE?

ITS NICE RIGHT

Wouldn't you


I really liked this when I first read it, but it could also be a wolfy toss out to get attention on a low poster early on.


Dubz, which I had already said:

And here she doubles down on her village read, when her posts had up until this point been hedgy:



Didn't like samac popping in here with a Dubz defense.



Second cutesy pocket mention in as many pages. Projection? I'm not sure.


This is REALLY fast on the hard green for Dubz, just because she gave some compliments about a strong wolf victory. (At least, I don't see another reason to put her green at this stage?)

Having Samac up there also feels bold




Feels easy, idk


Wow on the bolded part -- I just cannot fathom someone truly thinking that they would have a game "locked" so early

Gross for obvious reasons


I hated the use of "capitalize" here. It really feels like copping to a desire to manufacture village capital and then feeling sad that it didn't immediately take.

I also can't really articulate this well, but for some reason the narrative voice/perspective here feels like it only works if samac knows that Zenge is lock village. And we all know the conditions that would need to be met for that.

Then again, sometimes samac says stuff like this.

Who's pocketing which "noob" now?


I also didn't really like this explanation, and I feel like everyone else totally ignored it.

How is "we always do this when we're village" NOT village/village meta?

And why would she be gunning for a misyeet of Zenge if she thinks he's village?


Positive for who, exactly?


I don't remember why I quoted this -- probably because I was still mad about not being called solvey


Whole lotta "meh" in this post



I was also surprised by how many people had samac in green


Could be trying to get a read on a packmate? Maybe.

Dubz and I aren’t compatible lol

But I did not have zenge as lock town. I still found him suspicious and pushed him a little again later with the GTH exercise.
I consistently found him sus. BUT once I poked there and he poked back I got flashbacks to previous D1 samac vs zenge violence, once where both almost got almost misyeeted in a tie so I backed off a little, still finding him somewhat suspicious but remembering our history. I waited to see if anyone would poke at our back and forth because throwing doubt on us is a fun feat for wolves but no one did which left me continuing to not get any answers from it. Ultimately it came down to I was right zenge is a wolf or the wolves just decided to stay out of it and not push us making the whole thing a wash and not a helpful exercise.

And see, this is why I decided not to push you. We have a lot of back and forth that’s typically not productive.

I am moving him significantly more wolfy upon re-read, but it's locked to the Dubz read

Dubz
JJJ
Moonmonster
Samac

Top down wolfy --> not wolfy,c as of page 8
I think

I’m definitely not compatible with dubz but would be be lulz if JJJ, dubz, and I were wolves and jjj just came on thread and blocked us.

Stay tuned! I am on page 8.

Does samac have a commercial vehicle license?

I’ve bussed without absolutely having to once.

Okay, finally caught up.

I'm not a huge fan of the massive Dubz wagon. If JJJ put a gun to my head, I'm give a village read, but in reality I'd say neutral.

It really feels like people are piling on Dubz due to Zenge's read. Wow, I almost have Deja Vu from this morning... Why are we giving Zenge so much power? I don't think this is AI for Zenge either way, I'm just more questioning everyone else for blindly following along.

Honestly, the only person on the Dubz wagon who truly feels authentic is PSV, since she has been consistently hinting at this read all game

how do you define a massive wagon? Until pippy flipped her vote it was tied and I think there’s only been one more vote?
Zenge doesn’t feel authentic?

 

[samac]

Samac, just in case I don't see it, what was the turning point from Zenges being a wolf to sheeping him on Dubz? It's a big about face

Oho

I’ve explained it at least twice, I don’t see wolf zenge pushing a misyeet of dubz with the reading card.

 

[moonstermash]

Unvote mayo

Caught up for now, need to do a couple quick chores and then I’ll be here until twilight. While catching up, mayo has been trending up for me, and JJJ has trended slightly down. Mayo is giving content, feels decent; I noticed a couple posts from JJJ where he used a lot of words but didn’t say much IMO.

The WildZoo wagon is surprising and has had some interesting movement. I feel some trepidation about it, but not enough to oppose it. (Then again, when I’m town I’m always a little shocked by wolf flips, even when they’re caught or claimed. Like, wait, you mean there are baddies here? LOL. I think Pippy called me naive, which yes, I can be.)

 

[DrWilgy]

Pippy (3) - Zenge 75, Wilgy 69, dubz 89
mayo (3) - Pippy 50, JJJ 100, Nate 15
Nate (3) - genny 43, samac 90, Boq 65

There's gotta be at least 1 in the three who have wagons and then a wolf partner in a counter wagon yes?

I suppose the paranoia is setting in as we went from a 3/3/3 split to an entire new wagon and I've only seen Zenge and PSV actively doing more than sheeping?

 

[holdthemayo]

I’ve explained it at least twice, I don’t see wolf zenge pushing a misyeet of dubz with the reading card.

I'm only on page 18 and keeping up on the new posts. I said in case I missed it...

 

[samac]

I suppose the paranoia is setting in as we went from a 3/3/3 split to an entire new wagon and I've only seen Zenge and PSV actively doing more than sheeping?

How do you feel about puppy vs mayo?

 

[samac]

I'm only on page 18 and keeping up on the new posts. I said in case I missed it...

Meant that more towards PSV and her popcorn than you.

I think I got 2 more posts for the next 14 minutes. I did good!

 

[DrWilgy]

How do you feel about puppy vs mayo?

I'd be more comfortable with those two wagons. I had Dubz as a slight tr early in, but seeing as others who know better have advised different and I've not yet completed ISO, I'd say I sit on the Dubz wagon as a neutral observer.

I do feel that there's likelier W in Pippy/Mayo at least.

 

[mightyrunner7]

Zenge has a reading card on Dubz and has not, to my knowledge, been wrong on her in... An amount of time. That's why so many people sheeped him. Not to say he's infallible and it's impossible for him to ever be wrong on her, but it hasn't happened before and it would be surprising.
Also me and Zenge mindmelded on Dubz so I really want it to be right 🥺

I apologize if this is too meta but... why should I care? Put simply, this game is intended to prepare for champs, which I understand to be an elite game among players who have never really interacted before.

Relaying overly on Zenges card feels like a cheat, regardless of Dubz true alignment. I welcome Zenge to find a read on Dubz based on past gameplay or tone or his own personal voodoo, but I would also expect everyone else to need a bit more convincing to join along, especially since the JJJ test showed a very different read of Dubz, and she didn't do much since then to play differently.

I doubt Zenge would intentionally misyeet Dubz, so I'm not giving him any wolf points, I'm just surprised at how quickly everyone else (except you PSV) jumped on.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Day 1 Yeet Tally
Zenge () -
Pippy (1) - dubz 125
mayo (2) - JJJ 125, Nate 27
samac () -
moth () -
dubz (7) - Zenge 125, samac 123, PSV 84, Wilgy 88, Boq 125, Pippy 67, Dina 30
JJJ (1) - mighty 20
Nate (1) - genny 66
Wilgy (1) - moth 68

13/15
Missing: mayo 47, moon 35
yeet close in ~1 hour

 

[NateTheLesser]

Unvote mayo

Caught up for now, need to do a couple quick chores and then I’ll be here until twilight. While catching up, mayo has been trending up for me, and JJJ has trended slightly down. Mayo is giving content, feels decent; I noticed a couple posts from JJJ where he used a lot of words but didn’t say much IMO.

The WildZoo wagon is surprising and has had some interesting movement. I feel some trepidation about it, but not enough to oppose it. (Then again, when I’m town I’m always a little shocked by wolf flips, even when they’re caught or claimed. Like, wait, you mean there are baddies here? LOL. I think Pippy called me naive, which yes, I can be.)

Expand on all of this when you get back.

 

[holdthemayo]

Meant that more towards PSV and her popcorn than you.

I think I got 2 more posts for the next 14 minutes. I did good!

Impressive self control!

 

[samac]

Day 1 Yeet Tally
Zenge () -
Pippy (1) - dubz 125
mayo (2) - JJJ 125, Nate 27
samac () -
moth () -
dubz (7) - Zenge 125, samac 123, PSV 84, Wilgy 88, Boq 125, Pippy 67, Dina 30
JJJ (1) - mighty 19
Nate (1) - genny 66
Wilgy (1) - moth 68

13/15
Missing: mayo 46, moon 35
yeet close in ~1 hour

Oh the wagon did get bigger than I realized
But I also don’t feel like it’s been a wagon that’s had no resistance

 

[PippyPony]

I don't like this post. I'm pretty against posts that seem villagey but don't actually contribute much to game solving.

At this point in threadstate, there were only 9 players contributing (including JJJ). This post basically says "I'll give everyone a village lean except Pippy and quiet players." However, it's dressed up in a way that seems fancier and more investigative than it truly is.

I find it hard to believe that wolves were all staying silent, and that alone tells me that JJJ's list has at least 1 wolf

I liked this post; have liked most of the posts from Mighty up to where I am on page 12. Feels thoughtful, feels village.

I wouldn’t kill Pippy at this point, and it’s too tempting not to make a tie, so…

Vote motheatenlysis

Really did not like this vote in retrospect.

Wrong *vs* wolfy, not and wolfy. Pippy’s saying they don’t suspect Zenge for voting them.

I did not ask to be defended here

I've caught up again.

I'm probably incorrect on several, so I'd not say this as a town vs scum list, more so would toss and wouldn't toss overboard.

Would toss: Nate, Boq, Genny, Pippy, Mayo, Moth

Someone explain why this is incorrect and why

I actually think pretty much all of those reads are wrong, although I am a little less solid on Nate & Mayo than the others at this point. Red flag.

I'm pretty sure Genny was one of the players that suggested a potential perspective slip from Pippy prior to this.

See #163

I don't see where it says that?

Alrighty then, so what's your PoE lookin like as it stands Pippy? How do you read me, do you think I'm genuine in thought re you?

Oops I missed this. I dislike your POE, and disliked the easy vote on me.

lv 1 is still
Moth, Mighty, Dina

lv 2 is
Pippy, Mighty, Dina

I have Dina in neutral but at least one of these is 1/3 wrong 😛

Both of these team combinations make sense tho regardless.

No they do not

TBH, I'm not a huge fan of either of the two leading yeets.

Moth feels like a n00b who had an awkward exchange that has been blown out of proportion. It seems most of the sus is driven by being overly defensive, and as a n00b myself, I've certainly made that mistake.

I did an ISO on pippy and I also don't really see a ton of evidence for wolfy behavior. Zenge staked an early claim of wolfiness, and it seems that everyone else just followed along because Zenge said so. Not super convincing. I'm not saying Zenge is intentionally setting up a misyeet, just than he isn't infallible.

In fact, this was my favorite Pippy moment so far:



The context is in regards to JJJ talking mostly about game theory and less about offering concrete wolf-solving examples. As part of this exchange, JJJ asserted that he would hold back his vote until more evidence arrives. Then, a few pages later, he chose to vote against moth based on evidence that had already existed. This felt less about game solving and more about trying to find which wagon he could stomach.

Tough for me to take the good feels towards me out of this post, but it doesn't feel like a pocket to me. Therefore, it seems solid.

Because they have team equity doesn't necessarily mean I have a more firm sr on them.

I do think Pippy and Moth are the two most suspicious players as it stands. Mighty is behind, Dina is only on there via association to those who I find scummy. Why would I act upon a possibility that I do not know as a truth, when current suspicions would lead me to better knowing that truth.

If I was the most suspicious, why was I in level 2 once, whereas Dina was in both of your teams of 3? Moth is also only in one of them?

 

[mightyrunner7]

how do you define a massive wagon? Until pippy flipped her vote it was tied and I think there’s only been one more vote?
Zenge doesn’t feel authentic?

Maybe this is a function of catching up, but 7 votes out of a village of 15 seems like a large wagon, especially since the next leader only has 3

Regarding Zenge, I expanded on my thoughts on him in another post, but the TLDR is I trust that he believes dubz is sus, I just don't put enough stock in his card to join along without more reasoning.

 

[mightyrunner7]

Oh the wagon did get bigger than I realized
But I also don’t feel like it’s been a wagon that’s had no resistance

Other than me joining the party late, what has the resistance been?

 

[NateTheLesser]

I apologize if this is too meta but... why should I care? Put simply, this game is intended to prepare for champs, which I understand to be an elite game among players who have never really interacted before.

Relaying overly on Zenges card feels like a cheat, regardless of Dubz true alignment. I welcome Zenge to find a read on Dubz based on past gameplay or tone or his own personal voodoo, but I would also expect everyone else to need a bit more convincing to join along, especially since the JJJ test showed a very different read of Dubz, and she didn't do much since then to play differently.

I doubt Zenge would intentionally misyeet Dubz, so I'm not giving him any wolf points, I'm just surprised at how quickly everyone else (except you PSV) jumped on.

I get disliking the reading card as a reason to sheep onto Dubz, that's fine. Can you expand on why you have her as neutral/town?

 

[Dinashadow]

I'd be more comfortable with those two wagons. I had Dubz as a slight tr early in, but seeing as others who know better have advised different and I've not yet completed ISO, I'd say I sit on the Dubz wagon as a neutral observer.

I do feel that there's likelier W in Pippy/Mayo at least.

I don't understand why you're voting dubz then

 

[mightyrunner7]

Other than me joining the party late, what has the resistance been?

Okay, I see Moon has also joined the Dubz hesitancy group, but that was made after Samac's my post, so I'll discount it as meaningful resistance.

 

[samac]

Other than me joining the party late, what has the resistance been?

She was village across the board in the gth exercise and here’s just a few in a quick iso

Reason I’m not going for Dubz (atm): PSV came out hard on me, and Dubz pointed out that these are just mothy things. I think if Dubz was wolf, I would be an easy D1 target and she woulda jumped on me.

That being said, I’m feeling sus about PSV. Something just feels wrong about how sure she was of me, now she’s at 50/50, and I don’t think she’s really done much more hunting aside from just calling me out.

So either PSV is a wolf and Dubz isn’t involved, or both are wolves.

I’m leaning towards Dubz being village atm.

Although that shade given, I don't like the speed at which those votes on Dubz accumulated -- people are acting awfully eager beaver to follow Zenge so far. He's good but he's not that good 😛

I don't fault you for having this doubt, and I think you also have a natural disposition toward protecting people in that kind of perceived "LHF" position. You were one of them in yourself in our mutual champs game, so I get it.

I do think there's a good chance I am misclearing someone. That's something I have tried to convey throughout my process, but I think my process has been misunderstood at least by some. If I call 7 people town and one of them is mafia, then I consider that a big victory on Day 1. I'd have six correct town reads! Figuring out the wrong answer, assuming there is one, would be the critical development that defines whether I play my town game well for my living duration in it or whether I don't. That's my task and my challenge.

There has been some anti-Dubz sentiment from people I town read, and I want to take a look into that. She could be my wrong answer.

You could be right about Dubz. If so though, I've been in the proverbial pocket. It happens. I actually suspect there's some chance that Dubz' reads are very similar to mine (see the GTH exercise) as a direct product of that pocket. I have little confidence of that, but I am thinking about it. I kinda tried to create that universe with samac in the previous game.

I have had some suspicions. I acknowledge that I don't know mayo well, and that I could be venturing into a tunnel. I'd appreciate your own view of mayo.

Regarding Dubz: I have never had to solve her before (I was mafia in our only mutual game), so it'd help me if those with suspicions (at least @potentialsheltervet and @Zenge142) could just share a little bit about what brings you there. Is it purely a meta thing? That'd be valid on its own, but if there's a specific thing in the game to reference that'd be super. Otherwise I'll be poking around on my own mostly unable to talk about it. I think I have one post left before the cap lifts.

Probably won't have time to in depth read before EoD.

Can someone please iterate as to why the Dubz wagon exists?

i dont understand the dubz wagon

Taking a deeper look into Dubz (WildZoo) in light of three of my town reads voting for her (Zenge, PSV, samac):
I have written comments within the spoilers.

Page 3/4 of Dubz's post history from the search thing:

Spoiler

This initial posture is fine. One could argue that Dubz hasn't quite approached samac this way in the time since.



I thought this was the right perspective for Dubz to have at the time, because I dove right into the game and should have looked different to anyone that played the previous game. I acknowledge that's not a strong point at this later stage of Day 1.


I could do without the wifomy smarm.


See above


This was directed at Zenge. Dubz did not shy away from the "reading card" thing. I kind of hate the whole concept of a "god read", and that is what this seems to be. Regardless, it's decent that Dubz got right out and called for it instead of waiting timidly for a mafia read to appear.


I don't really fault Dubz or anyone else for having initial doubts about the Pippy wagon. It was early and the case wasn't terribly developed.

Page 2:

Spoiler

These are consistent with the previous "sheep samac and/or Zenge" posture.



Dubz pivoted to suspicion of Pippy on the basis of a meta dive that I can't really relate to. I did not play or observe any of these games. The case made could be entirely valid. I acknowledge that digging around in old games is a tried and true means for mafia to get involved with the "nuanced" side of a hunt. It doesn't have to be so, but it could be.


Dubz was also kinda bored with the mothy wagon. Her initial takes on both Pippy and mothy were to express this general perspective. Clearly that changed with Pippy, but it does create a trend that Dubz is not just joyfully eating up any low-hanging fruit presented to her. If Dubz is mafia, perhaps this has implications about teammates -- but otherwise, the "agenda" seems to be one begging for nuance in vote selection.


This is [sort of] the start of Dubz deeper dig into samac. Just noting as I continue.


Dubz did indeed sheep Zenge as initially projected.


If I have been pocketed, then a post like this would be a concerted effort to create that world. I think what Dubz has to say here is perfectly valid and correct. There may be a bit of natural paranoia missing though given the way last game went.


samac uncertainty continued


Dubz tried to make it clear that sheeping Zenge was part of her Pippy vote, but not the only motivator (see the previous meta dive). I don't know that this is necessarily alignment-indicative either way.




Another deference to Zenge's reading card. Dubz at least portrayed an expectation that Zenge would town read her eventually. We'll have to determine if that expectation is reflected in her response to the read going the other direction.


Dubz ended up being more overtly suspicious of samac. That continues below.





I'm not sure Dubz would view it as the best move, as mafia, to go after samac in a thread environment where most other vocal players are calling samac varying degrees of "town read". If anyone that knows Dubz better has reason to dispute that assumption then by all means do so. I'd find it kind of weird, and clearly it would have been a bad decision if it's what happened.

Page 1:

Spoiler

Dubz's reads were more closely matched with my own than anyone else (save halfway for Boquise who was "tied"). That doesn't have to mean anything either way, because I have agreed with mafia before and I have agreed with town even more often (probably "> rand", but I dunno). If she has pocketed me, then this is the literal data to evidence it. It's also perfectly possible that we have been seeing a similar game.


This was in reference to samac reading Zenge mafia. This inspires a completely unrelated question, but I will stick it at the bottom of this wall.



Dubz had sheeped Zenge and still doesn't seem to have a clear stance on him. She did say when the day started that she'd "use" that sheep to figure things out, so okay I suppose.


Rather blasé response to PSV's suspicion of her.


Dubz's read on samac is meta-driven, and it creates a bizarre meta web when combined with Zenge's suspicion of her. It's possible that someone in this triangle is just right, or it's possible that the unique "champs practice" atmosphere is interfering with radars.


One of my two disagreements with Dubz GTH was that she called Nate town, so this is odd.



Initial responses to Zenge voting for her and others joining the wagon. It doesn't really say much to me, it's token.




Perhaps I am a sucker, but the emotion at the end there has a non-zero effect on me. I have no idea how these "reading card" dramas usually play out though.


I think this is reasonably true. I have no meta basis to say it's reflective of "town Dubz", so if there's meta to the contrary I can only shrug and defer to other SDN folks.


Dubz declined to suspect Zenge for this. That's mildly interesting given that Dubz did not have a clear read on Zenge prior -- this would seem to imply strong trust? Dubz, please correct me if not. I realize you're nearly post-capped too, so do it when you can.


Dubz hard vetoed a vote for me. If there's a pocket, then there you go. Mafia Dubz in this situation would be egging on the "Jay is my teammate" theory quite deliberately. Also perfectly plausible that she just doesn't think I am mafia.


Okay sure, explains the previous thing I found odd.


This list aligns with my POE sans-samac, so shrug.

I found some things here and there that I could either gripe with or theorize a mafia motivation for. So that's fine. I doubt they relate much with the broader meta case against Dubz about which I cannot comment -- I have no idea. My broader takes still slant in the positive direction, so if nothing else this post can show people why I have town read Dubz.

I could be wrong about that. It wouldn't blow my mind. And people that know Dubz better saying otherwise means something to me. So I hope that those who suspect Dubz will at least look at this (just a brief glance is fine, no need to respond to every dang thing I wrote here) and let me know if they agree with anything, or if they find any of my points faulty for whatever reason. That'd be helpful to me.

Unrelated: @samac, if your initial impression of Zenge is one of distrust (i.e., the mafia GTH read), why follow his vote on Dubz?

This is my last post before the cap lifts, so I will just chew on the game for a while and decide what I want to do. If anyone has questions for me, go for it, but please be mindful that I will not have a lot of time to answer a bunch of things once we get to the final hour of the day.

I have never played with Dubz before but she feels in general like a strong player
If she is a misyeet, it means town did a big one for scum.
And I dont like that.

However, thread-wise, she has felt like where wolves would want to be during a D1 (until the votes happened) - as in, middle of the pack.
And my town reads are voting her
And I found one post to be wolfy

Mayo on the other hand has posted mostly nonsense until close to the end of the day
has been solvy now
reacted okay to being pushed
But is an enigma of rand and will most likely be in everyone's poe for a very long time


Idk who i wanna vote

 

[mightyrunner7]

Okay, I see Moon has also joined the Dubz hesitancy group, but that was made after Samac's my post, so I'll discount it as meaningful resistance.

Pro tip - If vote closes in 1 hour and you are still far from the post minimum, just start answering your own questions

 

[PippyPony]

T-minus 2 minutes until a wildzoo bomb hits this thread

Brace for impact

 

[supershorty]

Post cap is now lifted.

 

[samac]

Oh look I hit post cap
AND IM BACK UNRESTRICTED BITCHES

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Good lord that was annoying.

 

[PippyPony]

 

[Zenge142]

 

[samac]

Fun fact we’re not allowed to react when we hit post cap either. Learn something new every day

 

[samac]

How ya feeling buddy

 

[supershorty]

Fun fact we’re not allowed to react when we hit post cap either. Learn something new every day

There aren't reacts at all on MU 🙁

 

[Zenge142]

Strongly pinged. Both JJJ and WZ are going for the low hanging fruit at the time they answered this. Pippy was being widely wolf read and I had not made a serious post yet. Which is something Dubz at least should know is not a wolf tell for me, but rather a busy/bad day at work tell.

This was a good post by Mayo.

 

[samac]

This was a good post by Mayo.

I told you he’s village

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Okay some immediate takes as I have watched the thread since I hit the cap:

~ Boquise is probably my top town read in the game. Never eliminate him. Before he went to Swedish sleep, when he was expressing his trepidations about the Dubz vote, he was basically writing my posts for me.

~ I get the sense from the thread state that the Dubz wagon is correct, and that my town read was incorrect. So be it if so. I hope that's the case.

~ Both Pippy and mayo have been signal-boosting the Zenge theory that I am also mafia if Dubz is mafia, and that makes me think one or both of them are actually teammates of Dubz. That they both arrived at hard Dubz suspicion AFTER the mega-wagon showed up is just highly dubious to me. I cannot imagine they both arrived at that perspective honestly and independently. Between them, I find mayo considerably more suspicious. I got a sense that Pippy might just be stuck in confirmation bias about me.

 

[moonstermash]

Expand on all of this when you get back.

Okay, but next time please ask nicely. I can pull some quotes from mayo and JJJ. Not sure I have more to say about the WildZoo stuff; I mostly just have feelings and didn't necessarily have anything specific in mind (other than "wow, 7 votes is a lot!").

 

[samac]

I told you he’s village

Though I’ve been posting this emote in my role pm if this is the time I’m wrong:

Reading cards are not a fun responsibility

 

[Zenge142]

How ya feeling buddy

 

[Dinashadow]

~ Both Pippy and mayo have been signal-boosting the Zenge theory that I am also mafia if Dubz is mafia, and that makes me think one or both of them are actually teammates of Dubz. That they both arrived at hard Dubz suspicion AFTER the mega-wagon showed up is just highly dubious to me. I cannot imagine they both arrived at that perspective honestly and independently. Between them, I find mayo considerably more suspicious. I got a sense that Pippy might just be stuck in confirmation bias about me.

Do you find pippy/dubz compatible though?

 

[potentialsheltervet]

I apologize if this is too meta but... why should I care? Put simply, this game is intended to prepare for champs, which I understand to be an elite game among players who have never really interacted before.

Relaying overly on Zenges card feels like a cheat, regardless of Dubz true alignment. I welcome Zenge to find a read on Dubz based on past gameplay or tone or his own personal voodoo, but I would also expect everyone else to need a bit more convincing to join along, especially since the JJJ test showed a very different read of Dubz, and she didn't do much since then to play differently.

I doubt Zenge would intentionally misyeet Dubz, so I'm not giving him any wolf points, I'm just surprised at how quickly everyone else (except you PSV) jumped on.

This being a champs practice game doesn't mean we totally toss meta and such out the window and pretend we don't know each other. That would be silly as we all have previous biases and preconceived notions affecting play. Sure, we could say we aren't going to talk about the reading card, but then Zenge votes Dubz D1 and you can see what's likely happened.
But if you don't want to care about it, okay! I like that me and Zenge are on the same wavelength, so I'm hanging out on this wagon. If you don't like it, okey dokey. Who are you wolf reading?

 

[samac]

Okay some immediate takes as I have watched the thread since I hit the cap:

~ Boquise is probably my top town read in the game. Never eliminate him. Before he went to Swedish sleep, when he was expressing his trepidations about the Dubz vote, he was basically writing my posts for me.

~ I get the sense from the thread state that the Dubz wagon is correct, and that my town read was incorrect. So be it if so. I hope that's the case.

~ Both Pippy and mayo have been signal-boosting the Zenge theory that I am also mafia if Dubz is mafia, and that makes me think one or both of them are actually teammates of Dubz. That they both arrived at hard Dubz suspicion AFTER the mega-wagon showed up is just highly dubious to me. I cannot imagine they both arrived at that perspective honestly and independently. Between them, I find mayo considerably more suspicious. I got a sense that Pippy might just be stuck in confirmation bias about me.

Why do you get the sense that threadstate is correct on dubz?

 

[mightyrunner7]

She was village across the board in the gth exercise and here’s just a few in a quick iso

Thanks Samac, this was helpful. I'll discount the doc and Boquise since they did quickly join the wagon, but you do bring up interesting points from moth, JJJ, and Pippy.

I'll give you 1 village point and and no context regarding scale

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Why do you get the sense that threadstate is correct on dubz?

Too many SDN brains glomming onto that realm, the history of Dubz wagons PSV was talking about, and the behavior of people that have arrived to the party late that look bussy to me.

 

[holdthemayo]

~ Both Pippy and mayo have been signal-boosting the Zenge theory that I am also mafia if Dubz is mafia, and that makes me think one or both of them are actually teammates of Dubz. That they both arrived at hard Dubz suspicion AFTER the mega-wagon showed up is just highly dubious to me. I cannot imagine they both arrived at that perspective honestly and independently. Between them, I find mayo considerably more suspicious. I got a sense that Pippy might just be stuck in confirmation bias about me.

I pushed you before Dubz was even on the menu. If you leave so many breadcrumbs, more than one pigeon will find them.

 

[PippyPony]

That they both arrived at hard Dubz suspicion AFTER the mega-wagon showed up is just highly dubious to me.

Uh excuse me -- fact check on aisle 5. Please refer to literally my first content posts in this game. Late to the wagon, sure, but not late to the suspicion.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Fun fact we’re not allowed to react when we hit post cap either. Learn something new every day

Oh, I wondered why I wasn't getting a swarm of Dubz angeries.

Both Pippy and mayo have been signal-boosting the Zenge theory that I am also mafia if Dubz is mafia, and that makes me think one or both of them are actually teammates of Dubz. That they both arrived at hard Dubz suspicion AFTER the mega-wagon showed up is just highly dubious to me. I cannot imagine they both arrived at that perspective honestly and independently. Between them, I find mayo considerably more suspicious. I got a sense that Pippy might just be stuck in confirmation bias about me.

pippy and Dubz, packmates?

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Do you find pippy/dubz compatible though?

I haven't taken a deep dive, but I think they could be based on Dubz's treatment of the mothy wagon. PSV made that observation first.