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potentialsheltervet said:
Okay but like I'm 70% confident on JJJ not being a wolf *even if* he's wrong on Dubz. I'm really not happy with throwing that town read in the garbage.
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Okay hear me out: different game, different vibe, different strategy.

Most importantly though you’re not going head to head in endgame like you were then. Who someone is head to head in end game is not who they are D1 of a different game.
 
NateTheLesser said:
Can you talk more specifically about what you liked from samac in the early pages?
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At that point it was more that she hadn’t done anything that seems outside her village meta. I’m up to the 14th page now. I’ve agreed with most of her posts, though we apparently disagree over one person’s reads pretty strongly. That’s not enough to make me doubt the rest of her gameplay.

She’s actively game solving is on par with her village play. I also trust and so far agree with Dina’s assessment that compared to prior wolf outings, her energy is more positive sounds like village samac for D1.
 
Day 1 Yeet Tally
Zenge (1) - mayo 33
Pippy (1) - dubz 125
mayo (4) - Pippy 54, JJJ 125, Nate 24, moon 34
samac () -
moth () -
dubz (4) - Zenge 112, samac 113, PSV 70, Wilgy 84
JJJ (1) - mighty 17
Nate (2) - genny 60, Boq 109
Wilgy (1) - moth 68

14/15
yeet close in ~3.5 hours
 
Zenge142 said:
Okay hear me out: different game, different vibe, different strategy.

Most importantly though you’re not going head to head in endgame like you were then. Who someone is head to head in end game is not who they are D1 of a different game.
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I recognize that, and I also spent time comparing his D1 play in WWatch and last game while I tried to move Lawpy's cranium less caudal. So it's not solely his endgame play I'm comparing.
We can have differing opinions. That's fine. But I do ask if Dubz is a wolf that we don't turbo-yeet my most solid town read.
 
JaggedJimmyJay said:
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I will share more thoughts about this stuff in a little bit. I just wanted to get the data to y'all for the moment. Please let me know if I recorded anything incorrectly.
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Zenge 112, samac 113, PSV 70, Wilgy 84
Dubz was one of 2 players who got universal town reads.
Zenge and PSV are not included here, but Samac and Wilgy is.

GTH reads sure are flimsy.

I am debating whether I want to follow my town reads Zenge and PSV on this, or just vote the player I find to be the wolfiest (Pippy).
 
genny said:
Is Mayo where you’d vote if you don’t have to worry about self pres?
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I am VERY much not caught up due to aforementioned Easter stuff, so I haven't even had a chance to go through his posts yet.

He's been liking a ton of my posts -- not sure how to interpret that or if it's helpful, but it's like 90% of my react feed, which is all I'm loosely caught up on
 
I think if I was rolling the dice to pick a 3rd member of the Dubz/Jay pack it would be Moony.

This post and the way Jay reacted to it didn’t feel right to me.
moonstermash said:
I know I'm too late to play, but I wanna, so:



Scum
Town
Town
Town
Town



Scum
Me
Scum
Town
Scum



Scum
Town
Town
Town
Scum

When in doubt, I went scum. I probably need to ISO Zenge and WildZoo especially, I feel like the Kirby icons and yellow sidebars are confusing me.
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JaggedJimmyJay said:
I appreciate you doing this. Your views of WildZoo, Zenge, and PSV are pretty counter-culture, so I'd like to hear more about those.
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That being said I’m still ruminating. 🐮
 
Zenge142 said:
I think if I was rolling the dice to pick a 3rd member of the Dubz/Jay pack it would be Moony.

This post and the way Jay reacted to it didn’t feel right to me.




That being said I’m still ruminating. 🐮
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I concede Dubz would be a good packmate to help Jay fulfill the ultra powerwolf meta he described himself as having last game (lolol) but I still stand by my town read 😤
 
PippyPony said:
I am VERY much not caught up due to aforementioned Easter stuff, so I haven't even had a chance to go through his posts yet.

He's been liking a ton of my posts -- not sure how to interpret that or if it's helpful, but it's like 90% of my react feed, which is all I'm loosely caught up on
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I react to posts as I’m catching up. If the react feed is too much I can tone it down.
 
Just putting it out there that if I'm going to be a continuous question, I would prefer people resolve my spot earlier rather than later.

I am feeling pretty out of my league, and signed up mostly to fill a spot and do Zenge & Samac a solid to get the roster locked, but I'm not stupid enough not to see writing on the wall, and I don't have the mental energy or actual time to get riled up for multiple 36/12 cycles of defense that I will likely not win.

Fwiw in signups I thought all of you new peeps were tru noobs and I missed the part about the minimum 🤣

Going to start a read back now and try to form some reads, but again -- I am not a very good player this early in the game, nor do I typically play with spreadsheets, etc (it's partially a mechanical thing -- I don't own a computer anymore).

If people decide to vote me, though, I would like well-articulated reasons why burning a villager spot will be helpful. Don't terribly mind dying, but don't want to die in vain, ya know?
 
PippyPony said:
Just putting it out there that if I'm going to be a continuous question, I would prefer people resolve my spot earlier rather than later.

I am feeling pretty out of my league, and signed up mostly to fill a spot and do Zenge & Samac a solid to get the roster locked, but I'm not stupid enough not to see writing on the wall, and I don't have the mental energy or actual time to get riled up for multiple 36/12 cycles of defense that I will likely not win.

Fwiw in signups I thought all of you new peeps were tru noobs and I missed the part about the minimum 🤣

Going to start a read back now and try to form some reads, but again -- I am not a very good player this early in the game, nor do I typically play with spreadsheets, etc (it's partially a mechanical thing -- I don't own a computer anymore).

If people decide to vote me, though, I would like well-articulated reasons why burning a villager spot will be helpful. Don't terribly mind dying, but don't want to die in vain, ya know?
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it's mayo vs. dubz right now
 
holdthemayo said:
Since I’m still way behind, can anyone give me a tl;dr of the top three wagons?
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Dubz: People sheeped me, except for PSV who’s had her own misgivings so I don’t want to say she sheeped.

You: People prefer Miracle Whip.

Both tied with 4.

Nate: People left over from when Nate had 4 and the wagon collapsed.
 
I don't think I've ever played a game with maximums before. It's oddly empowering to be able to look into people without them firing back.

Like I can say Dubz is acting a weenie by voting me for lame-o reasons, and she can't say jack about it until I'm already in bed mwuhahahahahaha
 
Boquise said:
nothing about nate screams wolfy. I felt his first posts to be off and make no sense. I have no strong scum read, only slots I am unsure of and that has done things I consider to be rand>w. He has taken pressure, fine, I guess? I felt his long silence after being sussed was wolfy too but here he is at last

I feel nothing about you guys having different takes. But I feel that you two have not been interested in each other over that fact, which is weird.
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You commented on his take and I wasn’t even on thread no? I think.
At the time I was voting him though so I’m not sure what’s so weird there.

potentialsheltervet said:
Me and Zenge have both talked about it but she seems less invested and less direct than usual. A lot less interested in making pushes than in gently poking around and throwing bits of shade to see what sticks where.
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WildZoo said:
No, it was intended for the thread. Zenge answered for me there lol

Reasons haven't changed. Yes Zenge moved...to me :laugh: but his vote was never the only reason I was voting for you.

And no that didn't really factor in, though I still don't get your point there because I was never shading Jay.






Idk how you can actually say these 3 things in a row and not see the inconsistency lol I didn't poke at you in Literary, I chose you for my d1 target. I said "Hey, what if I go after samac", you can ask Zenge (it was in my out of phase chat).

This is different. You have felt off. I explored it. I'm not "building momentum for a village!samac misyeet" I'm just trying to solve your slot and not get bamboozled again. The fact that I'm being accused of going with the flow and thread consensus, and at the same time get dunked on for daring to question you is ****ing absurd. I literally poked at you last game because your vote for me without actually pushing me felt off, until you did something that made me change my mind. And that something was presenting a compelling case for a vote.


My memory is that you voted with me on Clem and then on Veggie the next day. I think in both cases you were breaking ties? I'm not saying you're not allowed to be unsure, but I am also allowed to question you when something feels off.

Tbh I had forgotten about the Sporty thing, that was after I met my wincon so it didn't stick in my brain.

I mean it hasn't really? How would it, she hadn't been saying anything. The only thing I've got is some rudimentary wagonomics stuff but I'm not good at pre-flip analysis. It doesn't feel like one of those easy d1 misyeets. She peaked at, what, 3 votes?


I enjoy that you're only 50/50 on your mothy read, but it's a major foundation for your read on me. Cool cool.


You said this about me last game. You went and looked through my previous D1s for this same reason literally last game. I told you then that I don't often have strong wolf reads d1 and that I tend to look more for village reads and go from there. Where the heck have I been throwing bits of shade to see what sticks?


Groce tbh


That's cap for me but I was about to be away for a bit anyway. I'll be back to be annoyed during the last hour.
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It’s been a while but I don’t remember how hard you pushed me in literary. Eh.
I didn’t break a tie on veggie but did break one on Clem, was not my chose vote was just a tie breaker. I was pushing a different narrative but I don’t remember who now, it was one of the noobs.
potentialsheltervet said:
With JJJ, with Pippy, with samac.
And yes, I also sussed you D1 last game. But I came around, and it wasn't nearly as strong.
By the way I'm not saying I'm basing my read off of you on your behavior with mothy. I'm saying if you flip wolf then I have additional motive to revisit mothy as well.
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I still think mothy is independently village-y
JaggedJimmyJay said:
Taking a deeper look into Dubz (WildZoo) in light of three of my town reads voting for her (Zenge, PSV, samac):
I have written comments within the spoilers.

Page 3/4 of Dubz's post history from the search thing:
This initial posture is fine. One could argue that Dubz hasn't quite approached samac this way in the time since.



I thought this was the right perspective for Dubz to have at the time, because I dove right into the game and should have looked different to anyone that played the previous game. I acknowledge that's not a strong point at this later stage of Day 1.


I could do without the wifomy smarm.


See above


This was directed at Zenge. Dubz did not shy away from the "reading card" thing. I kind of hate the whole concept of a "god read", and that is what this seems to be. Regardless, it's decent that Dubz got right out and called for it instead of waiting timidly for a mafia read to appear.


I don't really fault Dubz or anyone else for having initial doubts about the Pippy wagon. It was early and the case wasn't terribly developed.

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These are consistent with the previous "sheep samac and/or Zenge" posture.



Dubz pivoted to suspicion of Pippy on the basis of a meta dive that I can't really relate to. I did not play or observe any of these games. The case made could be entirely valid. I acknowledge that digging around in old games is a tried and true means for mafia to get involved with the "nuanced" side of a hunt. It doesn't have to be so, but it could be.


Dubz was also kinda bored with the mothy wagon. Her initial takes on both Pippy and mothy were to express this general perspective. Clearly that changed with Pippy, but it does create a trend that Dubz is not just joyfully eating up any low-hanging fruit presented to her. If Dubz is mafia, perhaps this has implications about teammates -- but otherwise, the "agenda" seems to be one begging for nuance in vote selection.


This is [sort of] the start of Dubz deeper dig into samac. Just noting as I continue.


Dubz did indeed sheep Zenge as initially projected.


If I have been pocketed, then a post like this would be a concerted effort to create that world. I think what Dubz has to say here is perfectly valid and correct. There may be a bit of natural paranoia missing though given the way last game went.


samac uncertainty continued


Dubz tried to make it clear that sheeping Zenge was part of her Pippy vote, but not the only motivator (see the previous meta dive). I don't know that this is necessarily alignment-indicative either way.




Another deference to Zenge's reading card. Dubz at least portrayed an expectation that Zenge would town read her eventually. We'll have to determine if that expectation is reflected in her response to the read going the other direction.


Dubz ended up being more overtly suspicious of samac. That continues below.





I'm not sure Dubz would view it as the best move, as mafia, to go after samac in a thread environment where most other vocal players are calling samac varying degrees of "town read". If anyone that knows Dubz better has reason to dispute that assumption then by all means do so. I'd find it kind of weird, and clearly it would have been a bad decision if it's what happened.

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Dubz's reads were more closely matched with my own than anyone else (save halfway for Boquise who was "tied"). That doesn't have to mean anything either way, because I have agreed with mafia before and I have agreed with town even more often (probably "> rand", but I dunno). If she has pocketed me, then this is the literal data to evidence it. It's also perfectly possible that we have been seeing a similar game.


This was in reference to samac reading Zenge mafia. This inspires a completely unrelated question, but I will stick it at the bottom of this wall.



Dubz had sheeped Zenge and still doesn't seem to have a clear stance on him. She did say when the day started that she'd "use" that sheep to figure things out, so okay I suppose.


Rather blasé response to PSV's suspicion of her.


Dubz's read on samac is meta-driven, and it creates a bizarre meta web when combined with Zenge's suspicion of her. It's possible that someone in this triangle is just right, or it's possible that the unique "champs practice" atmosphere is interfering with radars.


One of my two disagreements with Dubz GTH was that she called Nate town, so this is odd.



Initial responses to Zenge voting for her and others joining the wagon. It doesn't really say much to me, it's token.




Perhaps I am a sucker, but the emotion at the end there has a non-zero effect on me. I have no idea how these "reading card" dramas usually play out though.


I think this is reasonably true. I have no meta basis to say it's reflective of "town Dubz", so if there's meta to the contrary I can only shrug and defer to other SDN folks.


Dubz declined to suspect Zenge for this. That's mildly interesting given that Dubz did not have a clear read on Zenge prior -- this would seem to imply strong trust? Dubz, please correct me if not. I realize you're nearly post-capped too, so do it when you can.


Dubz hard vetoed a vote for me. If there's a pocket, then there you go. Mafia Dubz in this situation would be egging on the "Jay is my teammate" theory quite deliberately. Also perfectly plausible that she just doesn't think I am mafia.


Okay sure, explains the previous thing I found odd.


This list aligns with my POE sans-samac, so shrug.

I found some things here and there that I could either gripe with or theorize a mafia motivation for. So that's fine. I doubt they relate much with the broader meta case against Dubz about which I cannot comment -- I have no idea. My broader takes still slant in the positive direction, so if nothing else this post can show people why I have town read Dubz.

I could be wrong about that. It wouldn't blow my mind. And people that know Dubz better saying otherwise means something to me. So I hope that those who suspect Dubz will at least look at this (just a brief glance is fine, no need to respond to every dang thing I wrote here) and let me know if they agree with anything, or if they find any of my points faulty for whatever reason. That'd be helpful to me.

Unrelated: @samac, if your initial impression of Zenge is one of distrust (i.e., the mafia GTH read), why follow his vote on Dubz?

This is my last post before the cap lifts, so I will just chew on the game for a while and decide what I want to do. If anyone has questions for me, go for it, but please be mindful that I will not have a lot of time to answer a bunch of things once we get to the final hour of the day.
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So this is why I don’t read zenge until day 2 because i question myself day 1 feel weird about him and then figure it out later.
I honestly don’t see a world where wolf zenge would lead a misyeet on dubz so when he did that I felt comfortable throwing my vote behind it.
holdthemayo said:
At that point it was more that she hadn’t done anything that seems outside her village meta. I’m up to the 14th page now. I’ve agreed with most of her posts, though we apparently disagree over one person’s reads pretty strongly. That’s not enough to make me doubt the rest of her gameplay.

She’s actively game solving is on par with her village play. I also trust and so far agree with Dina’s assessment that compared to prior wolf outings, her energy is more positive sounds like village samac for D1.
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how do you feel about the fact I haven’t developed any strong reads?
holdthemayo said:
Since I’m still way behind, can anyone give me a tl;dr of the top three wagons?
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One is you because you’re always a sketch ball :heckyeah:
 
I have never played with Dubz before but she feels in general like a strong player
If she is a misyeet, it means town did a big one for scum.
And I dont like that.

However, thread-wise, she has felt like where wolves would want to be during a D1 (until the votes happened) - as in, middle of the pack.
And my town reads are voting her
And I found one post to be wolfy

Mayo on the other hand has posted mostly nonsense until close to the end of the day
has been solvy now
reacted okay to being pushed
But is an enigma of rand and will most likely be in everyone's poe for a very long time


Idk who i wanna vote
 
Is this really the place to play a game. I always felt this was a forum to answer questions and discuss issues pertaining to the professional school applicant and/or recent graduate. I look at the other professions and see questions and concerns about their respective chosen profession. I look at the veterinary section and see I game playing. At the very least, this just doesn't look professional. I see children here who are not serious about their schooling. Online gaming is fine, but not here.
 
I am happy you are enjoying my post back on page 17, Dina, and I design 90% of my posts to garner reactions because I crave attention, so I am grateful. But you have been pretty much in the shadows tbh just sayin
 
Zenge142 said:
What’s your rationale?
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She has felt off the cuff, comfortable saying whatever she wants and sticking her foot in her mouth. Her posts don’t seem like they’re being filtered through anyone and she just feels genuine. She doesn’t have that noob wolf aura despite her light push and walk back.

Zenge142 said:
Is this really the place to play a game. I always felt this was a forum to answer questions and discuss issues pertaining to the professional school applicant and/or recent graduate. I look at the other professions and see questions and concerns about their respective chosen profession. I look at the veterinary section and see I game playing. At the very least, this just doesn't look professional. I see children here who are not serious about their schooling. Online gaming is fine, but not here.
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Wolfy Zenges!
 
Zenge142 said:
Is this really the place to play a game. I always felt this was a forum to answer questions and discuss issues pertaining to the professional school applicant and/or recent graduate. I look at the other professions and see questions and concerns about their respective chosen profession. I look at the veterinary section and see I game playing. At the very least, this just doesn't look professional. I see children here who are not serious about their schooling. Online gaming is fine, but not here.
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