LECOM - Erie Discussion thread 2008-2009

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eleven eleven said:
Ahhh! I'm supposed to be interviewing on Tuesday and my flight has been canceled (I'm coming from the east coast where we're supposed to get about a foot of snow). Anyone else in this predicament? If so, how are you getting there? I can't get another flight/bus/train. Is it worth it to try to rent a car? I'm freaking out ...:scared:
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How far away are you? If you can make the drive I'd say go for it cause they seem to still have spots in PBL Seton Hill. If it's an insanely long drive could you drive to another city and catch a flight? Good luck!
 
Does LECOM record lectures or have mp3's available for the students to relisten to later on? Or do the students just have to deal with writing down all the stuff the teacher says during class?
 
bleeker10 said:
Does LECOM record lectures or have mp3's available for the students to relisten to later on? Or do the students just have to deal with writing down all the stuff the teacher says during class?
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Theresa a notetaking service that you can sign up for I believe.
 
bleeker10 said:
Does LECOM record lectures or have mp3's available for the students to relisten to later on? Or do the students just have to deal with writing down all the stuff the teacher says during class?
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I'd invest in a small digital recorder if possible (unless for some freak reason they wouldn't allow that). In high school and the first year of undergrad I had major issues with taking notes and spent about $20 on a small recorder that used those little tapes since that was cheap. Worked great and I could go back and listen whenever. Not sure how much the digital ones are but I don't think they're that much more if you wanted to go that way.
 
On the description about PBL it says: " Students in the Problem-Based Learning Pathway will participate in other taught components of the LDP curriculum during the first and second years." Does this mean that things like embryology and geriatric medicine are taught in lecture style?
 
LadyFire said:
On the description about PBL it says: " Students in the Problem-Based Learning Pathway will participate in other taught components of the LDP curriculum during the first and second years." Does this mean that things like embryology and geriatric medicine are taught in lecture style?
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I believe it means the first 12 weeks of basic sciences but also OMM and the extra courses like financial management and etc after the first semester...
 
Cagall said:
I believe it means the first 12 weeks of basic sciences but also OMM and the extra courses like financial management and etc after the first semester...
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Do you know if the extra courses are taught with an instructor or just more group work?
 
LadyFire said:
How far away are you? If you can make the drive I'd say go for it cause they seem to still have spots in PBL Seton Hill. If it's an insanely long drive could you drive to another city and catch a flight? Good luck!
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It's about a ten hour drive (without snow, ha). I've checked every airport within 500 miles, nothing is going out until Wednesday ... grrr. And ERI appears to not be receiving flights from anywhere on the east coast. Thanks for the advice though.
 
eleven eleven said:
It's about a ten hour drive (without snow, ha). I've checked every airport within 500 miles, nothing is going out until Wednesday ... grrr. And ERI appears to not be receiving flights from anywhere on the east coast. Thanks for the advice though.
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You could call tomorrow and see if they have another day you could interview on. Normally I'd say a 10 hour drive isn't TOO bad (I'm going on an 8 hour drive later this week) but with the snow it might be too dangerous to make it worth attempting. Good luck!
 
LadyFire said:
Do you know if the extra courses are taught with an instructor or just more group work?
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I just had my interview on Thursday so this is what I remember and if I'm wrong someone correct me...

PBL take the same courses the first 12 weeks with all pathways PLUS meet once a week for group PBL sessions. Afterwards you meet with your group 3X a week plus the extra courses which i believe they are with the lecture pathway students.
 
Gracie84 said:
I have to decide between two acceptances I have LECOM Erie and KCUMB and I need some serious help. Currently I am not thinking about the cost, weather, curriculum or anything related to the first two years except for clinical education like standardized patient program. Here is what I am considering.

1. Clinical rotations during 3rd and 4th year: I am interested in urban centers and a good size hospital for rotations. I know we sometimes get to do a lot more in smaller settings but this is a personal preference and I guess everyone is different. Also I am interested in rotating in the eastern part of the country. So how easy is to do all of the above at LECOM. Also does the admin help you at all for setting up your own rotations.

2. Match and Residency: I am not looking for a very competitive residency program at this time but it is always good to keep you options open. I personally feel that Match lists in this case are not that helpful. I am looking to do my residency in the East and was wondering how do program directors at allopathic programs view LECOM? Is reputation important at all?

Any help is appreciated:help:. I am especially interested in hearing from 3rd and 4th year students. Thanks in advance.
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You still set up your own rotations, the admin doesn't really do any choosing on your part. It's explained in an earlier post by myself on this thread, and I suggest reading it to help in your decision making.

As for residency, you say now that you're not looking for a competitive residency, but I guarantee that will change in one way or another once you hit the end of 3rd year. It depends on what specialty you want to pursue, and most importantly depends on you as an individual, board scores, grades, and LORs that impact how a program director views you. Most allopathic programs don't know a lot of info about osteopathic schools. Match lists shouldn't matter when choosing a school to matriculate at, because they are based on personal preference of the student.
 
bleeker10 said:
Does LECOM record lectures or have mp3's available for the students to relisten to later on? Or do the students just have to deal with writing down all the stuff the teacher says during class?
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LECOM doesn't record lectures because, probably due to their attendance policy.
 
So classes were cancelled tomorrow due to the snow we're getting/going to get overnight. Guess I can't count on this happening too often in erie can I...
 
Can someone tell me or point me to a place where I can find out all of LECOM's rotation sites in NY? how would you rate them, if you have been there.

Also, if any current students can help me with the following:

What is the mean of all of the class averages for the classes? - basically on average are all of the students there passing with 70s, 80s, or 90s?

How many students fail out each year? (if any)
 
At my interview, the LDP students estimated that about two-thirds of the class had above a 3.0. They believed that the vast majority of students were in the 2.8-3.4 range with a few "gunners" and "slackers" as they referred to them. This would mean people are mostly getting in the 80s.

By the way, has anyone heard back from recent interviews? Nobody is reporting their success, but we know that Amy is meeting every Wednesday.

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Got my acceptance letter for Seton Hill today! It was my first choice at LECOM.
 
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Got everythign done with physical and shots, etc...except that I cannot locate my old health records with evidence of polio vaccine. I am an older non trad and went to a small private school that has no immunization records. Parents moved away and do not have them. My PCP says ask LECOM. I can't leave a message for Amy (mailbox full) and no replies to email...........ugh. I can't be th eonly one to have ever gone through this am I?

I am goign to LECOM tomorrow to drop off laptop and get car registered and photo taken.

Any ideas from any current staudents that had to dal with this would be helpful/.

Thanks, in advance.....
 
phillyirish said:
At my interview, the LDP students estimated that about two-thirds of the class had above a 3.0. They believed that the vast majority of students were in the 2.8-3.4 range with a few "gunners" and "slackers" as they referred to them. This would mean people are mostly getting in the 80s.
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MS1's are in our first system right now (MSK).

Test 1: 79.3% avg
Test 2: 81.0% avg

We have a final on Friday.

Our averages for the big core classes seemed to vary around 75-85%. I think our lowest avg as a class was probably our first gross anatomy test and that was in the low 70s.

I'm not sure if anyone is still carrying a 4.0 though. Everyone that I know has at least gotten 1 B in some class, but I would say there are a hand full of individuals will 3.9+ GPAs and therefore I would assume as 1st years there are a lot more with 3.5+
 
thanks for the info. anyone know an estimate of how many students fail out/drop out of LECOM from each class?
 
Very true...but I would still like to know.
 
phillyirish said:
At my interview, the LDP students estimated that about two-thirds of the class had above a 3.0. They believed that the vast majority of students were in the 2.8-3.4 range with a few "gunners" and "slackers" as they referred to them. This would mean people are mostly getting in the 80s.

By the way, has anyone heard back from recent interviews? Nobody is reporting their success, but we know that Amy is meeting every Wednesday.

Edit:
Got my acceptance letter for Seton Hill today! It was my first choice at LECOM.
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Congrats! 👍
 
A vast number of students drop out in the first year and between first and second year. Many are forced to automatically repeat the second year. If you fail two systems (under 70), you will either have to drop out or repeat the year. Also if you dont pass the boards on the first try LECOM will put a hold on your financial aid for three months into your third year so you are stuck trying to retake the boards and stuck at school in LECOM's "board review class"
 
dalken17 said:
A vast number of students drop out in the first year and between first and second year. Many are forced to automatically repeat the second year. If you fail two systems (under 70), you will either have to drop out or repeat the year. Also if you dont pass the boards on the first try LECOM will put a hold on your financial aid for three months into your third year so you are stuck trying to retake the boards and stuck at school in LECOM's "board review class"
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Define "vast."

Regarding the two systems rule...isn't this par for hte course with other schools? I heard something similar on my NYCOM interview...although the bit about the financial aid and board review part sucks.

Seems like there are more dissident LECOMers than there are members of other schools...is that because LECOM has more students than other DO schools or is there really that much worth to speak out about regarding this institution? :scared:
 
Phenol312 said:
Define "vast."

Regarding the two systems rule...isn't this par for hte course with other schools? I heard something similar on my NYCOM interview...although the bit about the financial aid and board review part sucks.

Seems like there are more dissident LECOMers than there are members of other schools...is that because LECOM has more students than other DO schools or is there really that much worth to speak out about regarding this institution? :scared:
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From what I remember at my NYCOM interview they were even more strict. I thought if you failed the courses that you didn't even get the chance to retake, you were just booted out.

Anyone else scared ****less yet? :scared:
 
I don't really think focusing on failing rates and drop out rates are helpful for anyone entering medical school, of course its terrifying but we all have an idea what to expect and as long as you meet those expectations i think every one should be ok. Just sit down study, do your best, and you'll be alright. I am sure those unfortunate individuals that had failing grades and forced to retake the boards had some excuse.

And for the schools policy, I think it is fine. People should stop complaining about it. How difficult is it to were a shirt with a tie and hold out on water during lecture.
 
btw, i am psyched to start the year at LECOM-Erie.
 
dalken17 said:
A vast number of students drop out in the first year and between first and second year. Many are forced to automatically repeat the second year. If you fail two systems (under 70), you will either have to drop out or repeat the year. Also if you dont pass the boards on the first try LECOM will put a hold on your financial aid for three months into your third year so you are stuck trying to retake the boards and stuck at school in LECOM's "board review class"
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Where are your stats for the vast number of dropouts? The number of people having to repeat? I've found the numbers that entered the class of 2008 for LECOM and the numbers that actually graduated. The combined rate is about 90% which is on par with most other schools I found. I did quick calculations for several other schools including OUCOM, NYCOM, MSUCOM, PCOM, and KCOM and all of them were between 90-93%. Now I have heard that people go into the PBL program thinking it will be cake since they don't have as much class time and they wash out but that's how it should be IMO. Med school is work and time and from what I can tell about LECOM's stats, it's right there with the rest of the schools. Plus their board scores are higher than the average (on Step 1 I've found their average was around 520ish at Erie for the class of 2009).
 
Phenol312 said:
Define "vast."

Regarding the two systems rule...isn't this par for hte course with other schools? I heard something similar on my NYCOM interview...although the bit about the financial aid and board review part sucks.

Seems like there are more dissident LECOMers than there are members of other schools...is that because LECOM has more students than other DO schools or is there really that much worth to speak out about regarding this institution? :scared:
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I've talked to current students and the general consensus from them is they don't like the rules and regulations but they can't complain about the quality of the education they receive. So I don't know what the deal is but the only substantiated complaints are regarding their rules, everythign I've researched (and I've spent probably over 24+ hours combined over the last few weeks researching LECOM and comparing to other schools) regarding the school says they provide a good education.
 
LadyFire said:
I've talked to current students and the general consensus from them is they don't like the rules and regulations but they can't complain about the quality of the education they receive. So I don't know what the deal is but the only substantiated complaints are regarding their rules, everythign I've researched (and I've spent probably over 24+ hours combined over the last few weeks researching LECOM and comparing to other schools) regarding the school says they provide a good education.
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I've read some old thread and reached the same conclusion. The rules are the rules though...do people think there will be no rules when you finally start working in a hospital? I think dress code and what not are a good way to prepare ourselves for all the bullcrap that the govt and whatnot puts in the way of practicing medicine. A necessary evil, so to speak.

I just want to make sure im receiving a good education for my money...rules be damned that's my #1 priority.
 
Phenol312 said:
I've read some old thread and reached the same conclusion. The rules are the rules though...do people think there will be no rules when you finally start working in a hospital? I think dress code and what not are a good way to prepare ourselves for all the bullcrap that the govt and whatnot puts in the way of practicing medicine. A necessary evil, so to speak.

I just want to make sure im receiving a good education for my money...rules be damned that's my #1 priority.
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Exactly. While I can't say with 100% I understand how obnoxious wearing a tie at all times would be, I don't think it really reflects on the quality of education. I can tell you that from what I've been able to research LECOM will give you a good education. It may not be the best school out there but it's still good. I just wish people would do a little research before making sweeping generalizations. PM me if you want to know some of the stats I've put together about LECOM by the way.
 
I am not worried about rules at LECOM. I want to do the HPSP with the Air Force and I will almost guarantee I will have to deal with much more bs and rules than LECOM would ever have. I just wanted a school that fits my style of learning (LDP), gave me a good feeling on interview day, and was located in a city I could actually see myself living in for 4 years. I know I don't have to do all 4 years in Erie, but if I decide to do it I want to make sure I am not miserable there.
 
I have a question for anyone... on my portal the admission status has a new option for Seton Hill (instead of just erie or bradenton) does this mean I am accepted for Seton Hill or its there because it was my first choose?

Also after reading through old post... if waitlisted does portal immediately say "waitlisted" instead of saying a decision has been made?
 
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So, I need a little advice. I have an upcoming interview (3/20) and I can't decide if I should go. The thing is, I already have two acceptances, but I just wasn't 100% comfortable at those schools. My top choice school (KCOM) accepted me "pending the availability of a seat" and guaranteed me a spot next year, but the catch is that everyone on this waitlist was accepted last year into the current class. Now, LECOM has a few things I think I would really like, but I wouldn't give up a spot at KCOM to go here, unless I don't hear anything, and I really can't afford a third $2000 deposit. Plus, flights at this short of notice are like $600 or so. What do you guys think?
 
Brianjg, what about LECOM interests you? If PBL is something you are interested in, i believe it is full unless some accepted students withdraw then some spots might open. Perhaps location is your thing, then I would definitely go Erie is a nice place if you can get thru the winter. How do you feel your chances are for LECOM? I am pretty sure they are great given you have already 2 acceptances. I would say it would be worth your while, you can get tons of input from peers at SDN but you have to see LECOM for yourself, some people like it and others don't.
Good luck future D.O.
 
ejay1518 said:
thanks for the info. anyone know an estimate of how many students fail out/drop out of LECOM from each class?
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not many...i saw some stats and there were 5 less graduating than matriculated.
 
premed85 said:
not many...i saw some stats and there were 5 less graduating than matriculated.
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That's not true at least for my class....we've had a lot more than 5....like 9X more I would say. That doesn't mean everyone failed. Some people chose not to even though they had the grades. I would not consider this an important factor in choosing a school however.
 
premed85 said:
not many...i saw some stats and there were 5 less graduating than matriculated.
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Can't be right. Was this comparing matriculation versus graduation four years later? I just had my interview this week and even Dr. Moore acknowledged that among the first and second years a few dozen at least will fail out, transfer, leave for personal reasons, or be asked to drop back into their new post-bac program on a probationary kind of thing (this was news to me). But then the MS-II that joined us said the same thing, that a few of his friends who were struggling were "asked" to go down into the post-bac (or maybe it was the medical sciences masters) for a year or two and then potentially re-matriculate. He estimated that about 40 people from his first day of classes last year were no longer there.
 
Does anyone know where to find the average GPA and MCAT scores for previously accepted students on LECOM-Erie's website? I tired emailing Dr. James Moore (Admissions) but he's been slow in responding. If anyone knows the info off the top of there head that would be great too. Thanks everyone.
 
UCIke said:
Does anyone know where to find the average GPA and MCAT scores for previously accepted students on LECOM-Erie's website? I tired emailing Dr. James Moore (Admissions) but he's been slow in responding. If anyone knows the info off the top of there head that would be great too. Thanks everyone.
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On the powerpoint slides that Dr. Moore went through during his interview presentation, it said the current MCAT average is 26 (8-Phys, 9-Verbal, 9-Bio). Can't remember the GPA exactly, it was in the typical 3.4ish range.
 
hey guys a couple questions

how do current students in LECOM and their peers view lecom on the food chain of DO schools. Is it one of the easier ones to get into or better schools? how does the rest of the DO and MD community feel about this school?


also how is the indo-pak community and are there any mozlems headin up to lecom?

and how is the new rec center?!?!?!


ps anybody but cochan can answer this
 
ACCEPTED Seton Hill 🙂 yippie!! applied 01/09 interviewed 2/26
 
Cagall said:
ACCEPTED Seton Hill 🙂 yippie!! applied 01/09 interviewed 2/26
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Congrats!

Based on your status report, I thought you were getting in to Seton Hill.

I hope to see you on the LECOM Seton Hill Facebook group.(not to mention at school this fall)
 
anyone have the match list i can check out? Got invited for an interview later this month and would love to see the stats of the school. Also, is it true that PBL is all taken up for the upcoming class?
 
sean3130 said:
anyone have the match list i can check out? Got invited for an interview later this month and would love to see the stats of the school. Also, is it true that PBL is all taken up for the upcoming class?
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here is the match list from 2008. it was here in early posts. Its pretty impressive. I believe PBL is full, however if kids withdraw then some spots should open up.
 

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abcdzain said:
hey guys a couple questions

how do current students in LECOM and their peers view lecom on the food chain of DO schools. Is it one of the easier ones to get into or better schools? how does the rest of the DO and MD community feel about this school?


also how is the indo-pak community and are there any mozlems headin up to lecom?

and how is the new rec center?!?!?!


ps anybody but cochan can answer this
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Everytime we have clinicians come to speak with us, they always comment on how impressed they are with LECOM students on rotations compared to other MD and DO students. The same holds true when you speak with 3/4th year students, they say LECOM really prepares you well to exceed in those years; usually better then other schools.

The new gym is really nice and not crowded. They offer a ton of classes and a bunch of other stuff.
 
DO2Be2013 said:
Can't be right. Was this comparing matriculation versus graduation four years later? I just had my interview this week and even Dr. Moore acknowledged that among the first and second years a few dozen at least will fail out, transfer, leave for personal reasons, or be asked to drop back into their new post-bac program on a probationary kind of thing (this was news to me). But then the MS-II that joined us said the same thing, that a few of his friends who were struggling were "asked" to go down into the post-bac (or maybe it was the medical sciences masters) for a year or two and then potentially re-matriculate. He estimated that about 40 people from his first day of classes last year were no longer there.
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well i got the information from here: http://www.aacom.org/resources/books...09_CIB_web.pdf

but i maybe i misread it
 
When did you all get your financial aid packet? I got my matric packet over a week ago and am starting to wonder.
 
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