LECOM - Erie Discussion Thread 2009-2010

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Also I just wanna say something to all you applying for next years class:

Please, please enjoy your last year of freedom. I wish I would've travelled a bit more and hung out with more friends I haven't seen in awhile. I am literally at school 85% of my waking hours, either in class or studying. It's labor day weekend and guess what I'm doing to celebrate? Studying. When you are in med school, you won't have time to take a whole day off to watch college football. I could only watch most of one game today so I could spend time reviewing. We all talk about how we miss sleeping in or taking a long nap on Sundays, going out drinking most nites of the week, or taking a weekend trip somewhere new. Still I wouldn't trade my life with any of you. I love med school and this is a great school. I've made a lot of great friends, people I will be friends with for life. I just miss when I had no responsibilities. Good luck and just remember that it's totally worth all the stress and hassle of applying.
 
Is anyone absolutely hating this waiting game? I interviewed on the 3rd and find myself unable to focus on anything, it seems!! Oh my!! It's killing me (cause I keep thinking of things, the area, the questions... etc.) And it doesn't help that it's a weekend and I can't better focus on other med schools... (I'm at work now as I type this) ...
 
nys311637 said:
Is anyone absolutely hating this waiting game? I interviewed on the 3rd and find myself unable to focus on anything, it seems!! Oh my!! It's killing me (cause I keep thinking of things, the area, the questions... etc.) And it doesn't help that it's a weekend and I can't better focus on other med schools... (I'm at work now as I type this) ...
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I felt the same way after my interview. Does your portal say a decision has been made? How did your interview go? I was in the first group of interviews on August 25th and we were all surprised by the group interview design.
 
It was the group-- which I expected from SDN (and it wouldn't have mattered)... I felt it went well, but I am hoping they got a good feel for me... my group wasn't like the others... we were each asked specific Q's... other groups were full out discussions where anyone could chime in... my specific Q's--I didn't feel revealed as much about "me" as other ppl's specific quesitons.... just going completely stir crazy... and the committee doesn't meet until this Wed... so, I'm anticipating having to wait for a letter until the 15th (given the same time frame you all did) .... just hating the waiting... got a couple of weeks before the string of interviews (and hopefully more coming)....
 
nys311637 said:
It was the group-- which I expected from SDN (and it wouldn't have mattered)... I felt it went well, but I am hoping they got a good feel for me... my group wasn't like the others... we were each asked specific Q's... other groups were full out discussions where anyone could chime in... my specific Q's--I didn't feel revealed as much about "me" as other ppl's specific quesitons.... just going completely stir crazy... and the committee doesn't meet until this Wed... so, I'm anticipating having to wait for a letter until the 15th (given the same time frame you all did) .... just hating the waiting... got a couple of weeks before the string of interviews (and hopefully more coming)....
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I felt absolutely the same way as you did coming out of my interview. We only got through one question so I was not sure how much the interviewers got to know about me, but in the end everything worked out. You interviewed very early so your chances of getting in are higher :xf:.

Im curious to see how fast the turnover will be with the waitlist this year given their 30 day policy for deposits.
 
Good point with the waitlist.... I'm frustrated with the 30-day thing.... at least give us 60 or something... we should be able to have the darn option to visit all our choices... :/
 
does anyone know where there is a list of which rotations are offered at the different clinical sites that LECOM has? I have the list of hospitals but not which rotations one can do there
 
doggydog1 said:
does anyone know where there is a list of which rotations are offered at the different clinical sites that LECOM has? I have the list of hospitals but not which rotations one can do there
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When I was at Erie a current student said the core rotations can all be done in Erie if you want, at least the primary care specialties anyway.

As for the other hospitals, I dont know.
 
AFAIK, as long as it's a LECOM affiliated hospital then you can do any of the rotations there as long as they have enough students to cover all the services. I could be wrong though. The selectives have to be done at a LECOM affiliate and the electives can be done anywhere as long as you can get into that hospital. Also, check out the "Pros and Cons of Your DO School" thread. There's a really helpful post for LECOM-E and it includes how rotations are set up.

Edit: Here's a link to that post
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showpost.php?p=7459142&postcount=337

I could be wrong on how the rotations are set up since I am still early in my first year but that's what I've heard so far. I'll ask some of the second years I know and see what they say. You can always email Dr. Regan Shabloski since he's in charge of the Clinical Education.
 
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bleeker10 or any other first year LECOM Erie med student... What book and edition are you using for Anatomy?
 
bleeker10 said:
AFAIK, as long as it's a LECOM affiliated hospital then you can do any of the rotations there as long as they have enough students to cover all the services. I could be wrong though. The selectives have to be done at a LECOM affiliate and the electives can be done anywhere as long as you can get into that hospital. Also, check out the "Pros and Cons of Your DO School" thread. There's a really helpful post for LECOM-E and it includes how rotations are set up.

Edit: Here's a link to that post
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showpost.php?p=7459142&postcount=337

I could be wrong on how the rotations are set up since I am still early in my first year but that's what I've heard so far. I'll ask some of the second years I know and see what they say. You can always email Dr. Regan Shabloski since he's in charge of the Clinical Education.
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Great link!!!!!!
 
bleeker10 said:
AFAIK, as long as it's a LECOM affiliated hospital then you can do any of the rotations there as long as they have enough students to cover all the services. I could be wrong though. The selectives have to be done at a LECOM affiliate and the electives can be done anywhere as long as you can get into that hospital. Also, check out the "Pros and Cons of Your DO School" thread. There's a really helpful post for LECOM-E and it includes how rotations are set up.

Edit: Here's a link to that post
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showpost.php?p=7459142&postcount=337

I could be wrong on how the rotations are set up since I am still early in my first year but that's what I've heard so far. I'll ask some of the second years I know and see what they say. You can always email Dr. Regan Shabloski since he's in charge of the Clinical Education.
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Great post, thanks for the link. This makes me even more excited about joining the LECOM Class of 2014!
 
JRod72 said:
bleeker10 or any other first year LECOM Erie med student... What book and edition are you using for Anatomy?
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The "Required Textbook" is Gray's Anatomy For Students. You should also have an atlas of your choice to go along with it (Netters, Rohens, etc...) as well as a set of index cards. I think Netters index cards dominate over gray's, but thats just me.

http://my.lecom.edu/0910anot.pdf - Thats our book list for the anatomy block. Disclaimer: If you're thinking of getting books now to start reading: Don't. Complete waste of time.
 
I was curious to get an opinion on what current LECOM students though about weekly exams versus the block exam styles that other schools have. I think the weekly exams keep you on the top of your stuff, it just seems like you would be constantly stressed all the time... and sometime you may have more than one exam in a week?
 
There are no classes today. I think all the offices are closed but the school is open for studying.

I like the weekly tests. It helps motivate me to study all the time so I can be prepared for each test. Tests are usually Mondays and we have random quizzes thrown in each week. This week, we have an OPP test tomorrow, thorax and related embryo quiz on Wednesday, and abdomen and related embryo on Friday. It would seem that having tests every week or so would be stressful but you get used to it. It just seems like a normal thing to me now.
 
I feel like getting exams every week altho stressful at first will end up being less stressful. This just means less ways you can screw up as opposed to undergrad having like 3 big exams, if you bomb one your grade is shot. Also yeah the motivation factor to study everyday because of tests/quizzes would help.
 
Yea it's nice to have 6-700 points in anatomy because if you don't do so hot on a quiz then it won't kill you. We have 5 point quizzes in anatomy every week along with three 10 point quizzes in gross lab and four 5 point peer teaching sessions in gross lab. With all those grades added up, it's just a drop in the bucket compared to the 150 points for written and practical tests for each unit along with 100 points for the NBME Gross Anatomy Shelf at the end of anatomy. That's 550 points there. The good thing is that if you don't do well on one written test, you can still pull out a good grade if you work hard. The PBL students have like 3 tests a semesterover all their classes which would be awful for me. We have 4 tests in anatomy alone along with tests for histo and embryo and that only comprises the first 12 weeks of school.
 
JRod72 said:
bleeker10 or any other first year LECOM Erie med student... What book and edition are you using for Anatomy?
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As engineered said we are using the second edition of Gray's Anatomy for Students. It's a pretty in depth book and I figure I will have read everything in it and annotated most of the book by the time gross is over. For an atlas, I got Rohen because it had actual pictures of cadavers versus drawings in Netters, Gray's, and Grant's. It sucks to use in lab though because it's hard to find the structures on the pictures and then point them out on our cadaver. It's actually nicer to have an idealistic drawing of how it's supposed to be so we can find the variations. I never take my atlas to lab. I just use it to quiz myself with before practicals and written tests. Also not everyone will need an atlas. We have 3 groups on my cadaver and one kid from a different group just leaves his atlas for all of us to use. There are plenty of atlases to use. Also DO NOT buy the dissecting kit right away. Most of the people in my class bought it and then we found out we only need 2 kits per cadaver. I bought one and it's not getting used. Just talk to other people and figure out who bought it. If you have a chance to get a box of nitrile gloves then pick them up or if you have some left over from chem labs then keep them because you will need them in lab and the bookstore doesn't carry many boxes.
 
JRod72 said:
Why is it a waste of time? I would think it would be beneficial to become familiar with the content and format. Please elaborate.
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I thought this too. But then I realized that when you actually get to med school it will hit you like a freight train, and you will probably have to shift your learning style anyway.

So it wont matter what you read or how much beforehand.
 
You don't know what the profs will and won't emphasize for the tests. Gray's is a great book but it goes way more in depth than you will ever be able to learn in 12 weeks. Example: the chapter on the leg is about 135 pages long. There is just so much material to learn. You can read it everyday until school starts but if you don't take written AND practical tests, then you have no way or reason to remember it all. Half of anatomy is being able to understand spatial relationships that only looking at a real body internally will give you. The profs will emphasize and deemphasize certain things. You aren't gonna be tested on everything from Gray's. If you never heard a prof talk about a certain thing, then chances are very good that they will not ask it on a test. But if you hear or see something mentioned frequently, then it will be on there. A good example is the scotty dog and pars interarticularis/spondylolysis. We had this on our practice practical, quizzes, and written exam. It was mentioned several times so you were stupid not to know it. Now something like the fibularis tertius muscle was mentioned in passing and we were told you wouldn't really be able to find it on a cadaver. Did I spend more than 30 seconds studying it? Nope. Was it tested, either on the lab practical or written exam? Nope. If you wanna learn anatomy, then learn movements (adduction, abduction, supination, pronation, dorsiflexion, plantarflexion, etc) of all or most of the major joints in the body. Also knowing the planes (sagittal, coronal, and transverse) will help as well. Otherwise just enjoy your time off from school
 
JRod72 said:
Why is it a waste of time? I would think it would be beneficial to become familiar with the content and format. Please elaborate.
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No matter what you try to do, you'll be thrown into the **** and its going to feel like a kick in the nuts every lecture. You learn to adapt quickly however, because you have to. I'm someone who has zero anatomy background and no experience memorizing anything. If I can manage to pass right now, anyone can with some hard work.

bleeker10 said:
I like the weekly tests. It helps motivate me to study all the time so I can be prepared for each test. Tests are usually Mondays and we have random quizzes thrown in each week. This week, we have an OPP test tomorrow, thorax and related embryo quiz on Wednesday, and abdomen and related embryo on Friday. It would seem that having tests every week or so would be stressful but you get used to it. It just seems like a normal thing to me now.
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I agree about liking the weekly tests. It does force you to study and I'd rather have a single test every week than four of these massive tests at once. Truth is, test or no test, you gotta put in a lot of time to study the material anyway. Maybe I'll go over the material for an exam on a monday an extra time or two during the weekend, but I would have studied that material anyway just to avoid falling behind even if there was no test.
 
engineeredout said:
No matter what you try to do, you'll be thrown into the **** and its going to feel like a kick in the nuts every lecture. You learn to adapt quickly however, because you have to. I'm someone who has zero anatomy background and no experience memorizing anything. If I can manage to pass right now, anyone can with some hard work.
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Another reason not to pre-study is you don't know how to study effectively to retain all the material. In the first week of anatomy, I changed my study habits at least 5 times until I found something that worked for me. I took an undergrad anatomy course and it helped somewhat but nothing will completely prepare you for med school anatomy. Enjoy your time off before you jump into the craziness that is medical school
 
LECOM-Erie for those who interview on the 3rd... "...has made a decision on your application..." Thus, based on the timeline for the last group (as it seems the committee meets every other Wednesday.... we should know the result by mail on Tuesday of next week! 🙂
 
I was looking at the MS1 schedule for the fall and was curious if LECOM has any type of orientation? From the looks of the schedule, the first day was pretty much all orientation stuff and then you dove right into the material on the second day...?
 
doggydog1 said:
I was looking at the MS1 schedule for the fall and was curious if LECOM has any type of orientation? From the looks of the schedule, the first day was pretty much all orientation stuff and then you dove right into the material on the second day...?
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The first week had class in the morning, really boring orientation crap in the afternoon (lectures to sleep through). No week long dedicated hold hands and catch each other type orientation.

If you want a real orientation, our class started getting together from facebook 1-2 weeks before and hit up downtown erie. No better orientation than grinding with your soon-to-be classmates.
 
haha as long as I dont have to do anymore ice breakers...
 
engineeredout said:
The first week had class in the morning, really boring orientation crap in the afternoon (lectures to sleep through). No week long dedicated hold hands and catch each other type orientation.

If you want a real orientation, our class started getting together from facebook 1-2 weeks before and hit up downtown erie. No better orientation than grinding with your soon-to-be classmates.
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Yea the week before class started was pretty awesome. Lots of fun, long nights. We still have fun on the weekends though.
 
engineeredout said:
The first week had class in the morning, really boring orientation crap in the afternoon (lectures to sleep through). No week long dedicated hold hands and catch each other type orientation.

If you want a real orientation, our class started getting together from facebook 1-2 weeks before and hit up downtown erie. No better orientation than grinding with your soon-to-be classmates.
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Haha that's pretty funny. I was always under the impression that med students have no life whatsoever. But this girl I know at Toledo med school said she usually goes out and has a great time every weekend. Granted, the weeks are jam packed with studying as are saturday afternoons, but it's nice to know there are opportunities to have a good time at night. If I get in, I'm for sure hoping to maintain some form of social life.
 
Diopstepp said:
Haha that's pretty funny. I was always under the impression that med students have no life whatsoever. But this girl I know at Toledo med school said she usually goes out and has a great time every weekend. Granted, the weeks are jam packed with studying as are saturday afternoons, but it's nice to know there are opportunities to have a good time at night. If I get in, I'm for sure hoping to maintain some form of social life.
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You can have a social life to some extent. I usually go out to dinner a couple nites a week with friends and we go downtown on either Friday or Saturday nite. You won't get to go to the bars all the time like in undergrad though. We also go out after big tests (anatomy written tests for example). I also study in the cafeteria and a bunch of my friends study here too so we talk when we take breaks from studying. We find ways to have fun though

Also if you wanna stay ahead of the material, you WILL have to study for a long time on Saturdays AND Sundays. You really can't afford to take off one weekend day completely every week. I try to get about 6-8 hours a day on both weekend days to really cement the material into my head.
 
I am interviewing with LECOM in late October, does anyone know if that is late in the cycle? I believe they began interviews in August.
 
PeterDO2B said:
I am interviewing with LECOM in late October, does anyone know if that is late in the cycle? I believe they began interviews in August.
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I interviewed Aug 25 and I think that was the first group so I don't think October is too late at all.
 
i just sent in my deposit today 😉 so happy!

just curious is there a fb group yet? haha

ps. I got into ISP and was going to ask about reading before hand etc but based on the posts just before me I guess I won't bother?? If any other tips let me know! kthanks ! can't wait to meet everyone
 
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bleeker10 said:
Also I just wanna say something to all you applying for next years class:

Please, please enjoy your last year of freedom. I wish I would've travelled a bit more and hung out with more friends I haven't seen in awhile. I am literally at school 85% of my waking hours, either in class or studying. It's labor day weekend and guess what I'm doing to celebrate? Studying. When you are in med school, you won't have time to take a whole day off to watch college football. I could only watch most of one game today so I could spend time reviewing. We all talk about how we miss sleeping in or taking a long nap on Sundays, going out drinking most nites of the week, or taking a weekend trip somewhere new. Still I wouldn't trade my life with any of you. I love med school and this is a great school. I've made a lot of great friends, people I will be friends with for life. I just miss when I had no responsibilities. Good luck and just remember that it's totally worth all the stress and hassle of applying.
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That is great advice!!!! I'm hanging out with my friends as much as possible right now but it seems they are in denial that I am leaving. I am so excited about LECOM Erie that they are probably tired of hearing about it. I just wanted you to know that I am living it up before I leave to join you Bleeker10 in Erie.

Class of 2014 !!!!
 
For those that already interviewed, did everything end by 1pm (2pm if you stay for the PBL presentation)? I'm trying to figure out when to book my return flight. Thanks.
 
pinkberry617 said:
i just sent in my deposit today 😉 so happy!

just curious is there a fb group yet? haha

ps. I got into ISP and was going to ask about reading before hand etc but based on the posts just before me I guess I won't bother?? If any other tips let me know! kthanks ! can't wait to meet everyone
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Don't read. Waste of time. Enjoy your summer.
 
csmittyB said:
For those that already interviewed, did everything end by 1pm (2pm if you stay for the PBL presentation)? I'm trying to figure out when to book my return flight. Thanks.
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Every interview day can have its own problems, but on mine we did pretty much finish by 1pm, and 2pm with PBL.
 
nys311637 said:
It was the group-- which I expected from SDN (and it wouldn't have mattered)... I felt it went well, but I am hoping they got a good feel for me... my group wasn't like the others... we were each asked specific Q's... other groups were full out discussions where anyone could chime in... my specific Q's--I didn't feel revealed as much about "me" as other ppl's specific quesitons.... just going completely stir crazy... and the committee doesn't meet until this Wed... so, I'm anticipating having to wait for a letter until the 15th (given the same time frame you all did) .... just hating the waiting... got a couple of weeks before the string of interviews (and hopefully more coming)....
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if you dont mind sharing, how many questions were you asked? and do you remember what they were? i have my interview in two weeks :scared:
 
I submitter my secondary about 2-3 weeks ago and was just wondering if I was the type of candidate LECOM is looking for MCAT 27 (6V, 11PS, 10B) GPA 3.28 Undergrad 4.00 Grad in BioMed sciences Thanks
 
JRod72 said:
That is great advice!!!! I'm hanging out with my friends as much as possible right now but it seems they are in denial that I am leaving. I am so excited about LECOM Erie that they are probably tired of hearing about it. I just wanted you to know that I am living it up before I leave to join you Bleeker10 in Erie.

Class of 2014 !!!!
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It didn't hit me that I was going to med school until the day I started med school in July. It always seemed like there could be a chance the school could take away my acceptance, which was never gonna happen. I always was worried I'd get a letter saying there was a mistake and I wasn't accepted. But that never happened and in hindsight there was no reason for me to think that. Just remember to keep up your grades for the rest of the year if you are in school. It's really easy to get complacent and lose focus. You don't want to risk losing your acceptance due to a really low GPA after you have been accepted. Just try to keep it at a minimum of a 3.0 and you will be fine. You will be getting more info from the school in the end of January, early February about getting a physical, titers for immunizations, health insurance forms, etc. Otherwise enjoy yourself because in a year, you will be known as JROD72, OMS-1 or as Dr. Kulesza likes to say in class "Student Doctor JROD72" when he calls on people to answer questions in embryo and anatomy
 
fattymangox03 said:
if you dont mind sharing, how many questions were you asked? and do you remember what they were? i have my interview in two weeks :scared:
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They were the typical interview questions... conflicts/accomplishments.... current healthcare status of the nation... look at interview feedback-- that's def helpful... good luck... 🙂
 
I have heard that the curriculum has undergone some restructuring from past years? Can any of the current first or second years students comment on what the specific changes are and how they have liked the changes please?
 
doggydog1 said:
I have heard that the curriculum has undergone some restructuring from past years? Can any of the current first or second years students comment on what the specific changes are and how they have liked the changes please?
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There have been no changes that I am aware of besides that PBL doesn't do anatomy lab anymore. I would read the post in the "Pros/Cons of your DO School" about LECOM as it's pretty much the same.
 
doggydog1 said:
I have heard that the curriculum has undergone some restructuring from past years? Can any of the current first or second years students comment on what the specific changes are and how they have liked the changes please?
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There have been a few changes in the order of things, i.e. the history taking is in the fall semester of MS1 as opposed to the spring semester. Also, last year they changed it so that instead of having all the courses (basic science) tested at once there are separate tests and most tests are on mondays (which is good and bad). They have also put more courses in the orientation week which is good because it gets you going a bit sooner than you would otherwise. I think it's a good thing with the history course since it gets you thinking like a doctor earlier. Also, it's better to have one course tested at a time since you don't have to study for tons of subjects at once. Lastly, having tests on mondays may sound terrible but it gives you more time to study.
 
pianoman511 said:
There have been a few changes in the order of things, i.e. the history taking is in the fall semester of MS1 as opposed to the spring semester. Also, last year they changed it so that instead of having all the courses (basic science) tested at once there are separate tests and most tests are on mondays (which is good and bad). They have also put more courses in the orientation week which is good because it gets you going a bit sooner than you would otherwise. I think it's a good thing with the history course since it gets you thinking like a doctor earlier. Also, it's better to have one course tested at a time since you don't have to study for tons of subjects at once. Lastly, having tests on mondays may sound terrible but it gives you more time to study.
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I take it this doesnt apply to PBL at all, as we were told they only have a few tests each semester. Something like 2000 pages of material by the end of semester! If I attend I am going PBL, but that is intimidating!!
 
This does apply to PBL as well. The first week, everyone has embryo and histo lectures in the mornings and orientation lectures in the afternoons. Also, anatomy, embryo, and histo exams and quizzes are usually on Mondays. All the pathways take these together. The H&P classes are all together as well as the Healthcare Management classes. Just because PBL takes some tests separately once anatomy is over, we still have classes together and we are tested together.
 
droogdoc said:
I take it this doesnt apply to PBL at all, as we were told they only have a few tests each semester. Something like 2000 pages of material by the end of semester! If I attend I am going PBL, but that is intimidating!!
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PBL doesn't really kick in until after anatomy, but after that you have around 3 tests per semester for PBL...no pressure.
 
Interviewed on Sept 3rd.... Got an ACCEPTANCE in the mail today!! Yippee!!! 🙂 (P.S. I live in NY for any who might not see a notice til tomorrow)...

😀😀😀
 
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