Match Day 2013

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Creflo said:
This shortage is not a surprise, its been looming for several years. Why it hasn't been front page news on our major publications consistently until fixed, I don't understand. In my opinion the schools are taking too many students.
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i don't understand all these schools. They are all dooming the profession by accepting too many students. it's the same for optometry and pharmacy right now. There's so much doom and gloom around health care these days.
 
Given that the executive director of the foot club earns $440,000+ based on publically available 990, tax exempt, 501(c)3 tax returns, that's about 10 residency positions-perhaps, start there.

This is disgracful; regardless of semantics, alphabetic soup "committees" acroynm nonsense, and MD match comparisons--the end result/reality remains: 104 students who did the right thing, without positions, and scrambling with huge student loans to repay without residency training.

Enough of committees forming sub-committees etc.....this is the illusion of work, substance, and progress. Project PR 2015? "Preceptorships" are massive step backward and not equal in training if parity is being sought.

Some schools are tuition driven, make it like vet school, extremely competitive, small class sizes, and earned achievement instead of promises that do not materialize. If this is not feasible, then status quo and 30 years later....small changes, but more of the same.

Wrong people, in the wrong positions. period. 30 years, and the same lifers sit there and play word games with exams, me toos with MDs, and lengthen required residencies without slots.

There must be not only transparent fingerpointing, but terminations, with cause resignations, and repayments to students, and a serious long term, realistic game plan for podiatry instead of hot air, empty promises, keep smiling, keep shining, and stick with its that do not help podiatry progress within ACA.

The DPM, can those 104 transfer/leverage that degree into something other than podiatry to help put food on their table?

Time for critical thinking, enough with endless alphabetic soup post names, the time is NOW for explicit plans for podiatry. Otherwise, just a footnote.
 
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Traum said:
Given that the executive director of the foot club earns $440,000+ based on publically available 990, tax exempt, 501(c)3 tax returns, that's about 10 residency positions-perhaps, start there.

This is disgracful; regardless of semantics, alphabetic soup "committees" acroynm nonsense, and MD match comparisons--the end result/reality remains: 104 students who did the right thing, without positions, and scrambling with huge student loans to repay without residency training.

Enough of committees forming sub-committees etc.....this is the illusion of work, substance, and progress. Project PR 2015? "Preceptorships" are massive step backward and not equal in training if parity is being sought.

Some schools are tuition driven, make it like vet school, extremely competitive, small class sizes, and earned achievement instead of promises that do not materialize. If this is not feasible, then status quo and 30 years later....small changes, but more of the same.

Wrong people, in the wrong positions. period. 30 years, and the same lifers sit there and play word games with exams, me toos with MDs, and lengthen required residencies without slots.

There must be not only transparent fingerpointing, but terminations, with cause resignations, and repayments to students, and a serious long term, realistic game plan for podiatry instead of hot air, empty promises, keep smiling, keep shining, and stick with its that do not help podiatry progress within ACA.

The DPM, can those 104 transfer/leverage that degree into something other than podiatry to help put food on their table?

Time for critical thinking, enough with endless alphabetic soup post names, the time is NOW for explicit plans for podiatry. Otherwise, just a footnote.
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What are lifers?
 
saywhatsup said:
lol 68/110 students is 62%. That means nearly 1 in 3 won't make it. There class size is 110.
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No. Their class size is 72 after all the dropouts, I believe. So it's 68/72. Correct me if I'm wrong joseiwasabi.
 
He said 68/72 got residencies. Meaning out of the 72 who were eligible, 68 of them got a spot. Obviously not everyone in the class is going to be eligible for one reason or another (failed boards, academic difficulties, dropped out, etc).
 
so its practically guaranteed that the lower 1/5 of the class wont get a residency. that aint cool

i read in some states that podiatrists can practice without a residency.
 
KSUCPM had 102 students out of 102 enter and around 18 didn't match as of 11:00AM but several have aleady scrambled into programs and the school is working hard to get everyone a spot.
 
EK18 said:
He said 68/72 got residencies. Meaning out of the 72 who were eligible, 68 of them got a spot. Obviously not everyone in the class is going to be eligible for one reason or another (failed boards, academic difficulties, dropped out, etc).
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there are 73 total graduating seniors in the class. 1 person opted not to pursue residency (not sure why, probably personal/family reasons) leaving a total of 72 people. NYCPM '13 had a 100% pass rate on part 2 boards.

don't know what their class started out as, but they ended up with 73, with 72 participating in the match.
 
yo is podiatry the easiest way to be a doctor cuz wit this residensy stuff im start thinkin otherwise
 
Anyone else have match statistics for their school?
 
That note written by past APMSA presidents was something else. The group that is suppose to represent and advocate for the students at the APMA. So 104 of their fellow students did not match and as they correctly point out with 25 million dollars worth of debt.

what they do? Lets not point fingers? Why is the APMA going out of its way to not point fingers. They are correct, that it is not one person's fault, but it is some people's fault more then others and those people need to face represcussions. I bet those students that did not match want to know whose fault this is, but not their representitives. The line that kills me is hindsight is 20/20 THAT IS NOT TRUE. Go to the residncy shortage section here. There was documentation as far back as 2010 that some Podiatrists saw this coming. There were Podiatrists with foresight, integrity, and the ability to think critically and add and subtract that saw this coming.

The portion about creating residencies, and yada yada, PR is good, but more happy talk. As the student presidents of this organization should they not have been yelling and doing things about this for a long while. Find it great that the APMSA when push came to shove, chose the APMA instead of the students.

Is this surprising? No.
 
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Traum said:
That note written by past APMSA presidents was something else. The group that is suppose to represent and advocate for the students at the APMA. So 104 of their fellow students did not match and as they correctly point out with 25 million dollars worth of debt.

what they do? Lets not point fingers? Why is the APMA going out of its way to not point fingers. They are correct, that it is not one person's fault, but it is some people's fault more then others and those people need to face represcussions. I bet those students that did not match want to know whose fault this is, but not their representitives. The line that kills me is hindsight is 20/20 THAT IS NOT TRUE. Go to the residncy shortage section here. There was documentation as far back as 2010 that some Podiatrists saw this coming. There were Podiatrists with foresight, integrity, and the ability to think critically and add and subtract that saw this coming.

The portion about creating residencies, and yada yada, PR is good, but more happy talk. As the student presidents of this organization should they not have been yelling and doing things about this for a long while. Find it great that the APMSA when push came to shove, chose the APMA instead of the students.

Is this surprising? No.
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I generally stay far away from PMnews because it's full of old timers like Traum. But I had to check it out the last couple of days when I heard about the shortage stuff. Traum's post is a perfect example of what's wrong with podiatry. All these old guys do is complain. No action. No nothing. Just b****ing and moaning. They talk about how terrible the profession is and how it's everyone else's fault. I work in a large multi-specialty group that is affiliated with a hospital. I make a very comfortable living. I will soon be helping to train future dpms. I am what more and more of you will become each and every year. Podiatry is great if you don't get stuck in a rut listening to failures like Traum. It would be like taking advice on succeeding in the NFL...from Ryan Leaf.

Dr. Mattiacci has been talking about a shortage since I was a student. The problem was that a shortage never happened. Most of us quickly realized that he and Temple were simple making excuses for students who didn't match. So yeah, when you're told over and over again that there will be a shortage, and then the first shortage doesn't happen until 2013, it's tough to actually feel any sense of urgency. Until now.

What I got out of that letter is that the blame game that Traum and the rest of the PMnews crowd like to play is unproductive. So instead of playing it, the students would like you all to help. Talk is cheap and the closing sentence says it all...

This is not the time to sit idly by counting on others to clean up the mess. Instead we should all be asking ourselves, “How can I be a part of the solution?”
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All Traum has done is proven their point. Complaining is unproductive and accomplishes nothing. Traum has wasted how much time creating multiple accounts on this thread to bash others? To the students, who sounded more professional than many of the people educating them ever have, nicely done.
 
Traum said:
That note written by past APMSA presidents was something else. The group that is suppose to represent and advocate for the students at the APMA. So 104 of their fellow students did not match and as they correctly point out with 25 million dollars worth of debt.

what they do? Lets not point fingers? Why is the APMA going out of its way to not point fingers. They are correct, that it is not one person's fault, but it is some people's fault more then others and those people need to face represcussions. I bet those students that did not match want to know whose fault this is, but not their representitives. The line that kills me is hindsight is 20/20 THAT IS NOT TRUE. Go to the residncy shortage section here. There was documentation as far back as 2010 that some Podiatrists saw this coming. There were Podiatrists with foresight, integrity, and the ability to think critically and add and subtract that saw this coming.

The portion about creating residencies, and yada yada, PR is good, but more happy talk. As the student presidents of this organization should they not have been yelling and doing things about this for a long while. Find it great that the APMSA when push came to shove, chose the APMA instead of the students.

Is this surprising? No.
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This isn't surprising. It isn't the APMA's fault. If anyone is to blame it is the schools. Particularly those that are so revenue driven that they have huge class sizes and piss poor requirements for admissions. Accepting people before they have taken the MCAT, accepting a DAT or GRE score, etc. Until the schools raise the bar on admission requirements and decrease the class sizes the problem will never be fixed. I'm sorry a 3.0 and 19 on the MCAT is a bar set so low midgets couldn't limbo under. (I mean no offense to midgets). The deans need to suck it up and have some small classes for the next few years to get the applicant pool more competitive and be accepting entire classes that should actually be placed in front of patients one day, not just the top 70% of the class. The face of the profession must change and it starts with the type of students the schools accept. It is a great field, and it needs to get better.
 
RockyIV said:
I generally stay far away from PMnews because it's full of old timers like Traum. But I had to check it out the last couple of days when I heard about the shortage stuff. Traum's post is a perfect example of what's wrong with podiatry. All these old guys do is complain. No action. No nothing. Just b****ing and moaning. They talk about how terrible the profession is and how it's everyone else's fault. I work in a large multi-specialty group that is affiliated with a hospital. I make a very comfortable living. I will soon be helping to train future dpms. I am what more and more of you will become each and every year. Podiatry is great if you don't get stuck in a rut listening to failures like Traum. It would be like taking advice on succeeding in the NFL...from Ryan Leaf.

Dr. Mattiacci has been talking about a shortage since I was a student. The problem was that a shortage never happened. Most of us quickly realized that he and Temple were simple making excuses for students who didn't match. So yeah, when you're told over and over again that there will be a shortage, and then the first shortage doesn't happen until 2013, it's tough to actually feel any sense of urgency. Until now.

What I got out of that letter is that the blame game that Traum and the rest of the PMnews crowd like to play is unproductive. So instead of playing it, the students would like you all to help. Talk is cheap and the closing sentence says it all...



All Traum has done is proven their point. Complaining is unproductive and accomplishes nothing. Traum has wasted how much time creating multiple accounts on this thread to bash others? To the students, who sounded more professional than many of the people educating them ever have, nicely done.
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Amen we need more and more of you!
 
A dark day has befallen the field of podiatry and not just for those students that did not match. Something must be done, no longer can we ignore the elephant in the room. Responsibility must be taken, there are families who will not be able to put food on the table, lives that will be destroyed when promised so very much. I urge those who can help to do what they can, this is not a time to stand in the crowd silently expecting this to pass. The roll over will destroy match next year assuming the slow growth of programs that we witnessed this year. I understand the economic climate is difficult to say the least, but where there is a will there is a way....

I wish luck to everyone who has found themselves in the scramble, I hope the very best for you all.
 
I know the scramble is a big deal but back to the original thread title "Match Day"....

Where are people going? Usually people post match lists from the respective schools to show what schools are landing what programs. Let's focus on some positive news for once on SDN...
 
misskittyPA said:
I know the scramble is a big deal but back to the original thread title "Match Day"....

Where are people going? Usually people post match lists from the respective schools to show what schools are landing what programs. Let's focus on some positive news for once on SDN...
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Yeah that doesn't really happen in podiatry 🙁
 
jellybean2020 said:
Yeah that doesn't really happen in podiatry 🙁
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Some schools post their match lists eventually. I'll try to get the list for AZPod when it is finalized (ie after the scramble is complete). I've heard of a few that scrambled and have heard of some students going to good programs.
 
Do you guys think next years match and the class of 2015's will be as bad, or was this really just a "perfect storm" for 2013?
 
jellybean2020 said:
Yeah that doesn't really happen in podiatry 🙁
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A 2014 posted NYCPM's match list for the class of 2012 last year.
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showpost.php?p=12930576&postcount=10

When I get the info from the school admin I'll post this year's too.

Also, this is just a rumor so I'm not sure if it's true but I've heard that the 4 NYCPM students that scrambled landed residencies.

We have match/scramble numbers from NYCPM and KSUCPM. Wish we could get data from all the other schools.
 
I think it would make more sense to wait until the scramble is over to post match lists and rates, rather than a partial list and try to update it along the way. Give it a couple days, I think we will see more info coming out.
 
So, I guess I'm the only one posting where they are going....

Anyways, back to the original topic of this thread. Here are the programs matched at from Western. We have 2 others that are scrambling, not sure if they've landing a program yet -I'm sure they will, they are both solid candidates.

Swedish
Legacy/Kaiser
VA-Palo Alto x2
Cedars Sinai
Long Beach Memorial x2
Olympia Medical Center
VA LA/UCLA x2
Scripps
Intermountain Utah
Detroit Medical Center
UPMC
Yale
Botsford
Grant Medical
Ohio State
Regions Hospital
Hennepin County

I think it is a great list -especially for an inaugural class! I am really proud of everyone. Everyone in our class passed boards part 1 and 2 and I have no doubt that the 2 who are scrambling will land great programs.
 
darazon said:
So, I guess I'm the only one posting where they are going....

Anyways, back to the original topic of this thread. Here are the programs matched at from Western. We have 2 others that are scrambling, not sure if they've landing a program yet -I'm sure they will, they are both solid candidates.

Swedish
Legacy/Kaiser
VA-Palo Alto x2
Cedars Sinai
Long Beach Memorial x2
Olympia Medical Center
VA LA/UCLA x2
Scripps
Intermountain Utah
Detroit Medical Center
UPMC
Yale
Botsford
Grant Medical
Ohio State
Regions Hospital
Hennepin County

I think it is a great list -especially for an inaugural class! I am really proud of everyone. Everyone in our class passed boards part 1 and 2 and I have no doubt that the 2 who are scrambling will land great programs.
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Nice list! That is pretty impressive for the first class.
 
We can finger point all day. But in the end, residency genesis was a failure for 2013. Hopefully, the spots in the pipeline open soon.


Dec 2009

PoddyMan said:
A major goal of WUCPM's administration since day 1 is to improve the residency shortage situation. WUCPM has been actively creating residency programs while setting up externships. Its goal is to create (at least) as many residency slots as the number of students it graduates. Graduates will still have the opportunity to apply anywhere, but at least the number of slots should increase proportionally, thus not generating any additional burden and possibly improving the situation.
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ckjets said:
Thanks, Is it working? Has WUCPM been successful?
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PoddyMan said:
I believe that they are nearly halfway there.
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DMU

West penn x2
DMC x2
UPMC
Dekalb
West Houston
Jewish Cincy x2
University of Cincy
PSL Denver

Those are some of the bigger names and places me and my friends are going. I think DMU has scrambled 6 or 7 students but I dont really know the status of them right now.
 
CaptainCool said:
Do you guys think next years match and the class of 2015's will be as bad, or was this really just a "perfect storm" for 2013?
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2013 was a big graduating class. 2014 will be smaller so that will alleviate some of the stress on the system. 2015 is a moderate sized class but not nearly as big as the class of 2013. From there it all depends on the board part II pass rates, and the amount of residency slots the CPME creates (which has been minimal to date).

Some programs pulled from the match this year because of funding fears due to the sequestration. They simply do not have guaranteed funds at this time. Many will scramble positions this year at a later time if or when funding comes through.
 
dyk343 said:
2013 was a big graduating class. 2014 will be smaller so that will alleviate some of the stress on the system. 2015 is a moderate sized class but not nearly as big as the class of 2013. From there it all depends on the board part II pass rates, and the amount of residency slots the CPME creates (which has been minimal to date).

Some programs pulled from the match this year because of funding fears due to the sequestration. They simply do not have guaranteed funds at this time. Many will scramble positions this year at a later time if or when funding comes through.
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http://www.aacpm.org/html/statistics/PDFs/MatrStats/11-12_Total_Enroll_CLASS.pdf

How reliable is this data? (+/- attrition) If it is reliable, 2015 will be in for a serious pinch.

Class of 2015: 672
Class of 2014: 605
Class of 2013: 604

Here's to hoping AACPM is wrong about class sizes...then again, are they ever right?:naughty:
 
I am a student that is in the scramble right now. This scramble hasn't been only for the lower ends of the class. One of my classmates that is a 4.0 scrambled, another that has a 3.5 GPA scrambled, and I'm in the lower half of my class. All of us work hard, passed boards, and all of our classes. I can't speak for myself, but the other 2 guys aren't socially ******ed. It's hard to compete in a scramble with 4.0 and 3.5 students. 104 of us gonna be out in the cold with $200,000 - $250,000 in debt and no way to earn enough to pay it back!
 
Splashlog said:
I am a student that is in the scramble right now. This scramble hasn't been only for the lower ends of the class. One of my classmates that is a 4.0 scrambled, another that has a 3.5 GPA scrambled, and I'm in the lower half of my class. All of us work hard, passed boards, and all of our classes. I can't speak for myself, but the other 2 guys aren't socially ******ed. It's hard to compete in a scramble with 4.0 and 3.5 students. 104 of us gonna be out in the cold with $200,000 - $250,000 in debt and no way to earn enough to pay it back!
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I really want to take this post seriously, but I have such a hard time trusting someone whose first post = doom and gloom.
 
Splashlog said:
I am a student that is in the scramble right now. This scramble hasn't been only for the lower ends of the class. One of my classmates that is a 4.0 scrambled, another that has a 3.5 GPA scrambled, and I'm in the lower half of my class. All of us work hard, passed boards, and all of our classes. I can't speak for myself, but the other 2 guys aren't socially ******ed. It's hard to compete in a scramble with 4.0 and 3.5 students. 104 of us gonna be out in the cold with $200,000 - $250,000 in debt and no way to earn enough to pay it back!
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Can you ask that 4.0 and 3.5 why they think they didn't match?
 
I do believe there was a 4.0 and a 3.5 who scrambled. Amongst others. The match seems to be more about relationships, people skills and attitude. Grades arent as important.
 
It's possible. Its a matter of bad luck and picking the wrong externships.

Also, Externships cut both ways. You could be a 4.0 (good at memorizing and test taking) but lack critical thinking, which is usually required in clinical rotations. These are the students that look good on paper but can't put two and two together.
 
Fetting said:
I do believe there was a 4.0 and a 3.5 who scrambled. Amongst others. The match seems to be more about relationships, people skills and attitude. Grades arent as important.
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hematosis said:
It's possible. Its a matter of bad luck and picking the wrong externships.

Also, Externships cut both ways. You could be a 4.0 (good at memorizing and test taking) but lack critical thinking, which is usually required in clinical rotations. These are the students that look good on paper but can't put two and two together.
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I think you guys nailed it. Especially with potential shortages in the future, I have been amazed at the attitude of some students rotating through my program. Some lack people skills or critical thinking as well, but those things might require more effort to fix than a simple attitude adjustment.
 
ldsrmdude said:
I think you guys nailed it. Especially with potential shortages in the future, I have been amazed at the attitude of some students rotating through my program. Some lack people skills or critical thinking as well, but those things might require more effort to fix than a simple attitude adjustment.
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There's the also the possibility that one of these 4.0 students arrogantly only ranked a couple programs, believing that they had a guaranteed spot.
 
Ankle Breaker said:
Please elaborate. I'd love to know what you have been dealing with as a resident.
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This thread is a good one for some tips:
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=901875

But specifically, we've had students who liked another program they visited and didn't think they would like our program as much. They then compared our program to the other program everytime something would happen. All they would say is "Well, Program X did it this way" or "You should do it this way, because Program X did it." Some students who wrote off our program on day 1 ended up having us as their new number 1 at the end. We've also had students not put forth any effort because they thought they already had a spot somewhere else. They would never volunteer to do anything, always try to get out early, and never be prepared for cases. Other students tried way too hard, to the point of interrupting attendings as they were talking to patients just so they could try to explain a principle to the patient.

Like I said, there are a lot of ways to screw things up , but I don't think it's too hard to have a good attitude, work hard, not be annoying, and act interested.
 
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HaimFeldman said:
There's the also the possibility that one of these 4.0 students arrogantly only ranked a couple programs, believing that they had a guaranteed spot.
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This is not necessarily true. It is like playing cards, If you have a great hand, you don't mind throwing a lot of money in the pot. I only ranked 4 programs. I was eliminated from a few programs before interviews, so I knew I had no chance there. Of all the rest I visited, I only could see myself at 4. I basically said I would rather scramble than go to program X. I knew what I was getting at program X and I didn't like it. I knew I would be fine in the scramble since good programs scramble and I was a very attractive...at least on paper. So I took the chance.
Risky, sure.
But it was a chance I was willing to take. I understand not everybody can do this, but I felt I could. In the end, I ended up getting the program I wanted and everything turned out great.
 
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