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[DVMDream]

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Would you rather our group just not use the role?

Actually, yes....

Looking at the overall picture: The block might prevent a wolf kill on occasion... but seeing that it has been what 7, 8? nights and it *may* have only done so once this entire game... it really is not worth it to keep blocking and keeping possible seers or protectors from doing their jobs... just my opinion... you might disagree... but that is how I see it.

 

[DVMDream]

I assume the reasoning is that your group has the most people in it and thus the highest chance for one of them to be a wolf. Besides, equineconstant blocked FFM without knowing what he was going to do so using your logic, she's got a problem too.

lynch that redhead

I agree, EC had no idea what FFM was going to do... but blocking one person is a whole lot different than blocking entire groups... yes, greater chance you stop a wolf with the whole group, but also greater chance you stop an important villager role as well.

 

[nyanko]

Actually, yes....

Looking at the overall picture: The block might prevent a wolf kill on occasion... but seeing that it has been what 7, 8? nights and it *may* have only done so once this entire game... it really is not worth it to keep blocking and keeping possible seers or protectors from doing their jobs... just my opinion... you might disagree... but that is how I see it.

I do disagree, very much. If nobody used roles unless they knew 100% what effect they were going to have, this game would be boring as hell.

 

[nyanko]

Maybe if the ~possible seers~ did a better job we would know better who needs to be blocked. 😉

 

[DVMDream]

I do disagree, very much. If nobody used roles unless they knew 100% what effect they were going to have, this game would be boring as hell.

Game would have been more exciting had meme not been blocked because the wolf kill would have failed... your group's excitement only helped the wolves last night.

Anyway, I have to get going to class... might be willing to change my vote later if there is any better information.

 

[nyanko]

Game would have been more exciting had meme not been blocked because the wolf kill would have failed... your group's excitement only helped the wolves last night.

what if your protector protected a wolf from getting killed by a vigilante one night? does that mean your protector shouldn't use the role unless they know 100% the person they're protecting is good and hasn't been converted?

can't play the game that conservatively. you take chances and sometimes they pay off and sometimes they don't. but hoarding abilities and playing conservatively never helps the villagers.

 

[DVMDream]

what if your protector protected a wolf from getting killed by a vigilante one night? does that mean your protector shouldn't use the role unless they know 100% the person they're protecting is good and hasn't been converted?

can't play the game that conservatively. you take chances and sometimes they pay off and sometimes they don't. but hoarding abilities and playing conservatively never helps the villagers.

I get what you are saying but you are comparing two very different probabilities.... The chance that a protector protects a wolf from a vigilante on a specific night is very slim compared to the chance of blocking an entire group of people and cutting the villagers off from beneficial roles... The two probabilities don't even come close to comparison.

 

[nyanko]

I get what you are saying but you are comparing two very different probabilities.... The chance that a protector protects a wolf from a vigilante on a specific night is very slim compared to the chance of blocking an entire group of people and cutting the villagers off from beneficial roles... The two probabilities don't even come close to comparison.

But the probability that blocking a group will block a wolf kill is higher than the probability that protecting a specific player will block the wolf kill that night too. You have to take both into account.

 

[DVMDream]

But the probability that blocking a group will block a wolf kill is higher than the probability that protecting a specific player will block the wolf kill that night too. You have to take both into account.

Agreed... But blocking the entire group also has a high probability of blocking beneficial villagers as well, maybe even slightly more so than blocking a wolf... And look back, your group blocking over the past 7 or 8 nights, however many it has been * may* have only successfully blocked one kill... And that is a might have... So previous experience tells us the blocking is, overall, not helping.

 

[DVMDream]

Agreed... But blocking the entire group also has a high probability of blocking beneficial villagers as well, maybe even slightly more so than blocking a wolf... And look back, your group blocking over the past 7 or 8 nights, however many it has been * may* have only successfully blocked one kill... And that is a might have... So previous experience tells us the blocking is, overall, not helping.

And, perhaps, the reason why it isn't helping is because the person controlling the blocking just might be a wolf???? Just a thought.

 

[nyanko]

And, perhaps, the reason why it isn't helping is because the person controlling the blocking just might be a wolf???? Just a thought.

I am not suspicious that FFM is a wolf at this time, no.

 

[DVMDream]

I am not suspicious that FFM is a wolf at this time, no.

And I could be wrong, but it's the best info I have right now, so unless something better comes up, my vote probably won't change.

 

[nyanko]

And I could be wrong, but it's the best info I have right now, so unless something better comes up, my vote probably won't change.

it's not "info" it's your flawed reasoning.

 

[DVMDream]

it's not "info" it's your flawed reasoning.

I don't care what you call it, it is still better than a random lynch or anything that you have come up with.... And I'm not the only one who has been suspicious of him.

 

[thedrjojo]

Your gut is wrong. The FBI made me their snitch last night anyways, so they should be able to vouch for me. 😛

Why can they vouch for you if you were the snitch? Doesn't mean they learned your role, just that you learned someone's role and forwarded info to the fbi.

Reddit skill and consequence is not nearly as extreme as memebase and blocking an entire group, yet it has a negative consequence so we have been very (maybe too) conservative with it because for every good we do, we get a potential bad.

Do we know if one virus is blocked if the entire kill is blocked? The prostitute is a chaotic character and benefits wolves much more than villagers, and that logic is straight from my ww designing conversations with DocE, so I agree with DVMD that we would be probably better off if you guys just didn't use it unless you are 95% sure. WTF, having been told her entire role, would have been good to keep around for longer.

 

[Flim Flam Man]

I agree, EC had no idea what FFM was going to do... but blocking one person is a whole lot different than blocking entire groups... yes, greater chance you stop a wolf with the whole group, but also greater chance you stop an important villager role as well.

EC blocked our group when she blocked me.

 

[orcagirl]

Just going to randomly vote since it'd be great if FFM was a wolf and was lynched, but I don't have a feeling one way or another. So lynch JJ

 

[Flim Flam Man]

Why can they vouch for you if you were the snitch? Doesn't mean they learned your role, just that you learned someone's role and forwarded info to the fbi.

Reddit skill and consequence is not nearly as extreme as memebase and blocking an entire group, yet it has a negative consequence so we have been very (maybe too) conservative with it because for every good we do, we get a potential bad.

Do we know if one virus is blocked if the entire kill is blocked? The prostitute is a chaotic character and benefits wolves much more than villagers, and that logic is straight from my ww designing conversations with DocE, so I agree with DVMD that we would be probably better off if you guys just didn't use it unless you are 95% sure. WTF, having been told her entire role, would have been good to keep around for longer.

I don't think this worked the same for me as others, since I am behind the firewall.

 

[Flim Flam Man]

And also, why would I block wikipedia 2 nights in a row (known to have a wolf), after blocking my own group prior to that (high likelihood of having a wolf (or two)), if I was a wolf? I blocked memebase since they have the highest probability of having a wolf, and didn't appear to have a known beneficial role.

 

[Lissarae06]

When I was 4chan leader, I blocked wiki the first night and they still got a kill so blocking one doesn't stop a kill.

 

[DVMDream]

EC blocked our group when she blocked me.

No, she blocked you... Which blocked your group ability, other members of the group would have still been able to perform their role.

I don't think this worked the same for me as others, since I am behind the firewall.

I thought you were only behind the firewall once??? At least that is what you said before... Why are you still behind it?

And also, why would I block wikipedia 2 nights in a row (known to have a wolf), after blocking my own group prior to that (high likelihood of having a wolf (or two)), if I was a wolf? I blocked memebase since they have the highest probability of having a wolf, and didn't appear to have a known beneficial role.

This is null and void if the wolves can choose which one of them is attacking at night.

 

[Flim Flam Man]

I thought you were only behind the firewall once??? At least that is what you said before... Why are you still behind it?

You would have to ask someone in charge of the firewall. I only found out I was still behind it when the FBI made me a snitch and asked my role.

 

[Kpowell14]

Gonna be at work all day. I dot have anything solid to go on, just a hunch...

lynch JoJo

 

[Flim Flam Man]

When I was 4chan leader, I blocked wiki the first night and they still got a kill so blocking one doesn't stop a kill.

I never said it did. High likelihood that the kill would be coming from there, after getting 2 wolves from 4chan.

 

[hedgiehog]

Barring any new info I'm going to be voting to lynch wildcatj. She's missed a lot of votes and keeps popping in to explain the lack of voting. Usually it's the wolves who feel the need to explain their absence.

 

[thedrjojo]

No, she blocked you... Which blocked your group ability, other members of the group would have still been able to perform their role.



I thought you were only behind the firewall once??? At least that is what you said before... Why are you still behind it?



This is null and void if the wolves can choose which one of them is attacking at night.

To his credit he said at that time he only knew of himself being behind the firewall that one time and he didn't know if he was still behind it. It seems last night proved to him that he is still behind it, which I have been saying (or he is using that to his benefit). But don't judge his wolf/non-wolf status based on that fact, since it he has no control over it, nor does anyone except ceiling kitty, and even he may or may not be constricted to a higher power (the random number generator...). However, the firewall as far as I know, is only suppose to alter seering, not protect or block from anything else, which makes his statements regarding the FBI using him as a snitch being altered because of the firewall raise some flags. So FFM, how did the firewall interfere with the snitch role?

 

[Packen]

I think that blocking whole groups may be causing some conflicts of interest. Also, my fear is that you are blocking important protection and seering abilities. As far as I can tell, just based on what DVMD and FFM are saying is that one kill was stopped and one was allowed to go through based on 4chan's blocking. So at best, the group block has broke even? Not great numbers. Plus who knows how many other abilities have been put at risk too.

And I agree with jojo, it being snitch, as far as I know, does not confirm your role, only the role of the person you investigate.

Also, to answer your question jojo, the fact that a block on one specific group (if this is in fact the mechanic that occurred) is enough to stop all the wolves from killing leads me to believe that they have to pick a specific wolf to do the killing each night.

 

[Flim Flam Man]

So FFM, how did the firewall interfere with the snitch role?

The FBI asked who I was. Since I was behind the firewall, I could tell them anything I wanted, fact or fiction. I told them whig In am, since I don't have anything to hide.

Its too bad I am not a wolf. I have a lot going in my favor, for having a meh role.

 

[DocEspana]

 

[thedrjojo]

The FBI asked who I was. Since I was behind the firewall, I could tell them anything I wanted, fact or fiction. I told them whig In am, since I don't have anything to hide.

Its too bad I am not a wolf. I have a lot going in my favor, for having a meh role.

The FBI asked who you were, and you ended up being the snitch, but because you were behind the firewall, DocE told you that you couldn't see your own role because it was blocked behind a firewall? Damn, that's some fecked up **** DocE. Well, I guess it shows that the FBI didn't trust me when I said that you were blocked from almost all seering 😡, and i think whatever you told them definitely has to be taken with a grain of salt, but your admission to them (which I assume you did since you admitted to being behind the firewall here still) that you were behind the firewall and thus their investigation was blocked before you revealed your role [as opposed to simply telling them your role and lying about the firewall part, then having them turn their ire towards me for claiming you were behind a firewall still] helps me out if nothing else, so thank you

However, the people behind the firewall are a huge conversion target/risk. FFM has already admitted to not having a huge role, and if we don't get credible wolf information, I can get behind removing that variable from the game.

For now, as well, Elect Sheeps

 

[DVMDream]

I think that blocking whole groups may be causing some conflicts of interest. Also, my fear is that you are blocking important protection and seering abilities. As far as I can tell, just based on what DVMD and FFM are saying is that one kill was stopped and one was allowed to go through based on 4chan's blocking. So at best, the group block has broke even? Not great numbers. Plus who knows how many other abilities have been put at risk too.

And I agree with jojo, it being snitch, as far as I know, does not confirm your role, only the role of the person you investigate.

Also, to answer your question jojo, the fact that a block on one specific group (if this is in fact the mechanic that occurred) is enough to stop all the wolves from killing leads me to believe that they have to pick a specific wolf to do the killing each night.

I know a kill went through because of that block don't know if it was their block or a protection that prevented the kill on the night that Samoa says there was not a conversion... Provided we can trust Samoa's info on when the conversion occurred.

 

[Lissarae06]

I never said it did. High likelihood that the kill would be coming from there, after getting 2 wolves from 4chan.

I never said you said it. I was just sharing info.

 

[Samoa]

lynch FFM currently the most suspicious on my list. For now, I think lissarae is OK, and jojo is next if FFM is not a wolf.

 

[thedrjojo]

how about you use that investigation power of yours in the FBI and see what I am and what I can do rather than just keep trying to throw me to the wolves/into the fire... waiting for some more information before I vote to lynch, cause I don't want to be seen as jumping on any bandwagons :rollseyes:

 

[Flim Flam Man]

lynch FFM currently the most suspicious on my list. For now, I think lissarae is OK, and jojo is next if FFM is not a wolf.

Says one of the top conversion targets.

 

[Samoa]

Says one of the top conversion targets.

Interesting comment. Now I definitely think you're a wolf, since to my knowledge, only a wolf would know for certain that I was not an original wolf.

 

[wildcatj]

Barring any new info I'm going to be voting to lynch wildcatj. She's missed a lot of votes and keeps popping in to explain the lack of voting. Usually it's the wolves who feel the need to explain their absence.

Usually if I'm busy I'm still able to pop on really quick to catch up and vote. I haven't been able to get on at all the last few days and it was totally unexpected, hence my popping on to explain why I wasn't here.
So didn't realize FFM would still be behind his firewall. It meant that we didn't actually get a role from him but we could "tell he was saying he was innocent". So doesn't really mean anything.

 

[Flim Flam Man]

Interesting comment. Now I definitely think you're a wolf, since to my knowledge, only a wolf would know for certain that I was not an original wolf.

I was assuming you were not an original wolf. Though, you very well could be

 

[Lissarae06]

Yeah when I was the FBI's snitch, I could tell the FBI whatever I wanted as long as it was vaguely role related so I don't really trust FFM's self-proclaimed innocence report to them.

 

[Flim Flam Man]

Yeah when I was the FBI's snitch, I could tell the FBI whatever I wanted as long as it was vaguely role related so I don't really trust FFM's self-proclaimed innocence report to them.

Yeah, what wildcat stated was not what I told them. DocE said the message may be garbled by the firewall.

 

[Packen]

I have a practical/lab starting soon, and need to run some errands right after class, so I don't know if I'll be back before the lynch vote closes.

lynch swings

Not a strong vote, but just the quiet, "under the radar" type of play reminds me of a recent game where she was a wolf and totally fooled me. Not trying to start a bandwagon here, but I don't like not voting if I can help it.

 

[Foxhunter]

elect sheeps

need to think on lynch

 

[Escalla]

lynch wildcatj . I'm not sure of anyone at this point but I'm heading to the shelter for my volunteering shift. I'll be back in a couple hours.

 

[primatevetjess]

Sorry to lose you, WTF.

I'm not sure what to make of FFM. I know he's behind a firewall, which makes him an excellent conversion target (if he started the game as a villager). As for DocE, all I can say is that I'm almost positive he at least started the game as a villager, but since there's been a night with a conversion, I no longer trust anyone. I also think that EC and FH would be great conversion targets, since they've been cleared by the mod.

I'm not quite ready to cast a lynch vote. I'll be around all day so I'll check back before deadline.

 

[wildcatj]

Sorry to lose you, WTF.

I'm not sure what to make of FFM. I know he's behind a firewall, which makes him an excellent conversion target (if he started the game as a villager). As for DocE, all I can say is that I'm almost positive he at least started the game as a villager, but since there's been a night with a conversion, I no longer trust anyone. I also think that EC and FH would be great conversion targets, since they've been cleared by the mod.

I'm not quite ready to cast a lynch vote. I'll be around all day so I'll check back before deadline.

Who do you actually mean? Pretty sure the only thing DocE started the game as was an evil mod.

 

[wolfspeaker]

Where has FTB been? They have TWO posts! 😕 Haven't heard anything since the first day. Has she been communicating via PM at all?
I can't remember offhand, did someone vouch for FTB?

Lynch FTB

In case I can't get back on. I should be able to, though. If someone vouched for her, I may change my vote.

 

[primatevetjess]

Who do you actually mean? Pretty sure the only thing DocE started the game as was an evil mod.

D'oh! Sorry, it's early. I meant drjojo.

 

[equineconstant]

I am becoming more and more suspicious of FFM from all this firewall talk. I'm keeping my vote.

 

[Flim Flam Man]

Everyone note, the people most suspicious of me

EC
Lissa
DVMD
Samoa

All people I would convert if I was a wolf.

My meme isn't the most well known. I am Socially Awkward Penguin. I have not used my role yet, as I really haven't needed to. Do with that what you will.

I hope all you in memebase liked using your roles, because I am guessing nyanko will block you every night to keep things interesting.

 

[thedrjojo]

Where has FTB been? They have TWO posts! 😕 Haven't heard anything since the first day. Has she been communicating via PM at all?
I can't remember offhand, did someone vouch for FTB?

Lynch FTB

In case I can't get back on. I should be able to, though. If someone vouched for her, I may change my vote.

FTB was sitting home reading obituaries 2 nights ago... if only one wolf goes out for the kill, the others might be sitting home alone...

Ok, I am going to clear up as much as I can on the firewall. Reddit can do something overnight, but if we do it, someone randomly gets placed behind the firewall, which we were told prevents almost all seering (the description lead room for the possibility somehow someone behind the firewall could still be seered, but didn't say how). The leader of Reddit is the only one who gets the results of our night action, and the leader of reddit gets the information of who is behind the firewall. As far as I know, Reddit used the skill twice, so two people out there are behind the firewall. FFM was the first person placed behind the firewall. Thats why I initially said that him being behind the firewall wasn't wolf related, and kept saying that I knew he was still behind the firewall. But, because he is behind the firewall, it is very hard for us to discover his role or to confirm whether or not he was or has become a wolf, and unless someone can firmly finger a wolf today, FFM might have become too much of a liability to keep around. Since I am not sure if the wolves know the second person behind the firewall, because I actually trust our group all started as villagers, that person isn't as much of a liability yet.