Nor'east Ski WWeekend (Basics) - Game Thread

[Dinashadow]

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I think it will be ok if Dina and cray are tied and we aren't the tie makers

See this is what really sets me on edge. Are you trying to pocket Dubz now? Why the sudden change of heart?

 

[Dinashadow]

Lynch Zigs

But I really have a lot of re-reading I want to do. I feel as though I'm missing something. I'm going to try to make a pro/cons list (is that nerdy? oh well.) today for everyone

 

[ziggyandjazzy]

See this is what really sets me on edge. Are you trying to pocket Dubz now? Why the sudden change of heart?

No, not trying to pocket her. Look through last night right near Lynch close again.

Dubs made the tie between you and SOV. She was willing to put herself in the RNG with you and SOV. Even when cray changed her vote to dubs, dubs didn't move. She was willing to die.

 

[ziggyandjazzy]

If I am lynched today, I WILL flip vanilla and villagers will lose.

 

[Dinashadow]

If I am lynched today, I WILL flip vanilla and villagers will lose.

This means nothing. Anyone can lie and say this. I will re look at the votes last night with Dubz though.

 

[ziggyandjazzy]

This means nothing. Anyone can lie and say this. I will re look at the votes last night with Dubz though.

I understand that. Please do. This is how I have cleared her.

 

[ziggyandjazzy]

Lynch Zigs

But I really have a lot of re-reading I want to do. I feel as though I'm missing something. I'm going to try to make a pro/cons list (is that nerdy? oh well.) today for everyone

You have been village reading me all game then do this?
Suspect af

 

[ziggyandjazzy]

If you thought Dina might be a wolf, why didn't you place your vote on the player that you expected could come defend over the one that said they wouldn't be around? Odd choice of a pressure vote if indeed that is what it was.

No offense but you haven't been around all game. It wasn't a pressure vote. I truly believe the wolf is either you or Dina and I don't know who.

 

[ziggyandjazzy]

Do you have any feels on Dina since she is your manatee? Bc I totally missed that, not saying you have to know her play inside and out but I feel like you should have some feels one way or the other.

Lynch Dina

While I ponder things.

Looking back makes me feel very village safe with Sporty.
@ziggyandjazzy who is your second choice?

I feel the reverse of this

Probably either you or cray
Need to go back and look at Dina but she has seemed very village to me

My strongest feels right now are Dina but I don’t want to lynch her when she may not have time to catch up and respond appropriately, and like cray and DocE I feel like haven’t been around enough or it’s just hard to judge from subbing in. And then I just have MSU as ???

This is really bothering me.

 

[Dinashadow]

You have been village reading me all game then do this?
Suspect af

And you were wolf reading Dubz until last night. Don't be a hypocrite

 

[ziggyandjazzy]

Nope, this is my thing I've always done it, get outta here 😛



Ummmm......wut.......

I'm assuming Dina was referring to the thread. Unless she's spying on my role PM

Probably, since Pippy is the only person allowed to read my diary.
Its cozy innit?


You responding for her is giving me a bad feeling in my gut....

😱 you got me

Was I supposed to say active in the thread? Active in the forum?

Okay but seriously is no one looking at SOV for that ZJ vote?

Wolf
SOV

Wolfish
ZJ (yes, still going back and forth on this one)

Slight wolf lean
Dina - chat comment still has my teeth on edge
Dubz - see above.
AM - seeing how Snowy flipped.
SAR - Her post on D1 that hedged between cubs and barks felt weird, but some of her questions to people feels like genuine wolf hunting.

Neutral to village leans on everyone else.


EDIT: SAR ninja'd me with her catch on MPM. Move her to slight village lean.
EDIT again: Add skimble to the Wolfish list, she's playing similar to a game two novembers ago I remember I called her out for her dropping votes and vanishing and she ended up flipping wolf.

He brings up this weird "chat" thing but then never pursues it

 

[ziggyandjazzy]

And you were wolf reading Dubz until last night. Don't be a hypocrite

I wasn't necessarily wolf reading her. Look at my posts from yesterday. I said I was doing it to get info. Which I did. Which cleared her.

 

[ziggyandjazzy]

Oh hello tunnel

Not necessarily, just wanted to see what would happen

that might have been a good move since dubs didn't budge, village points for dubs

Wow finally, hooray, someone throw me a party, I'm village at last

Dude, it isn't personal!! Like I said, I wanted to gauge reactions. cray also helped me do that (I can never find the shrug emoji)

 

[ziggyandjazzy]

DocE could've easily been converted after going hard for me and Dina then tried to back off

 

[Crayola227]

I'm doing some re-reading right now. I know it looks bad I haven't put my vote in but I really did sleep in today (until 11-12) and when I woke up everyone had already voted. Right now I'm between Zigs and Dubz. Zigs comment earlier about the tie put me on edge. I don't like Dubz comments about wishing she would be NK'd every night but she's done that as village before. I'm also trying to figure out why Zigs has cleared her village suddenly after tunneling her the past few nights.

I guess I'm leaning most village on you, Cray, but I feel like I can't trust anyone because it's LyLo.

I think people started suspecting me after Mel was lynched. I am under the impression it was because I had stated earlier that I was leaning wolfy on him but wasn't feeling confident about voting for him because of the WIFOM reasoning I had. I also was on the SOV lynch of the SOV vs. Mel lynch the night Mel was lynched but so was Dubz IIRC. I think it might also possibly have to do with the fact that I wasn't super active after that because I worked double shifts Monday-Wednesday. Then there was DocE pushing my lynch shortly after he subbed in.

I think it's weird people think that I bussed DocE as strategy and that he didn't seem wolfy so it was a weird vote for me (Zigs said this to me yesterday I think). This isn't retaliatory but I look harder at people who vote for me when I'm village especially when it doesn't really make any sense. I also got the feeling that DocE was trying to keep Mel alive. He also really annoyed me with the "contributing anything with merit today" comment... so that did make it a little easier for me to vote for him.

Yes, I agree about Ziggy and the tie and her flip flop. I could break it down sentence by sentence how she has shown how wolfy she is on her turn on me and on WZ.

And Ziggy is turning WZ's point about Mel dying without pushing a fellow wolf and where that puts you and DocE. Different ball of wax not alone because we're talking different players and we're talking about one who was converted. Which was why I asked her when.

It is extremely clear to me now that Ziggy is twisting things.

You are starting to look like a victim of bad villager choices. Much as a wolf can look suspicious by virtue of being on OR not on any wolf lynches, the same can easily happen to a villager. It's not enough to hang you on. None of this clears you, but I hardly find it damning.

Also, I will point out, that for so many reasons, fake tunneling when I wolf is my jam, man. How can you tell real villager vs fake wolf tunneling? Why does the player get out of the tunnel. Does it seem self serving and opportunistic? Or does it really seem like they truly believed their tunnel and now they are seeing some actual light?

Assume for the moment I'm village. Do you all see how opportunistic DocE's turn towards me that day was? Do we feel like that's happening here with Ziggy?

 

[Crayola227]

No, not trying to pocket her. Look through last night right near Lynch close again.

Dubs made the tie between you and SOV. She was willing to put herself in the RNG with you and SOV. Even when cray changed her vote to dubs, dubs didn't move. She was willing to die.

Dude you are reading a WHOLE lot into that, when there was LITERALLY not more than 2 minutes to close when I did that, and Dubz knew even then that wasn't locked in, because I CAN and DO change these things at 6:59 pm.

you thought Dubz' behavior, and others agreed, that being willing to be in the tie could be consistent with a wolf agenda, so the question is why the sudden change of heart now?

convenient how your top wolf suspect gives way to one of the most cleared players left, all while you mouth suspecting Dina

sounds like you all want to hang Dinah out to dry for not voting where her voice is (which is classically wolfy but villagers are allowed to be suspicious and unsure), but then look at Ziggy

 

[Crayola227]

Ziggy, if you're really village, can we revisit your thought process yesterday where you thought Dubz sitting on the tie could still be wolfy, to your massive change of heart today? All based on very flawed NKA? And how does this relate to your voiced suspicions on Dinah?

If you're really village and we lose because you are voting me right now, I will be bitch enough to seriously rub in the lesson that NKA must be applied with care.

If you're a wolf, then I guess just keep on keeping on. I would suggest in the future being more careful with wild swings in change of heart.

 

[ziggyandjazzy]

Dude you are reading a WHOLE lot into that, when there was LITERALLY not more than 2 minutes to close when I did that, and Dubz knew even then that wasn't locked in, because I CAN and DO change these things at 6:59 pm.

you thought Dubz' behavior, and others agreed, that being willing to be in the tie could be consistent with a wolf agenda, so the question is why the sudden change of heart now?

convenient how your top wolf suspect gives way to one of the most cleared players left, all while you mouth suspecting Dina

sounds like you all want to hang Dinah out to dry for not voting where her voice is (which is classically wolfy but villagers are allowed to be suspicious and unsure), but then look at Ziggy

What are you even talking about? I never said staying on the tie looked wolfy.
I think the only one who said that was skim and you.
I literally said "village points for dubs" when she did it. She could have changed, she didn't. No way a wolf would've wanted to sit on that with a 2/3 chance of dying.

 

[ziggyandjazzy]

I'm not only voting for cray because of NKA and idk why you are so hung up on this. I believe the way for village to win is to have it tied between cray and Dina

 

[Dinashadow]

I'm re reading and found something interesting on Day 2

Unlynch ZJ
Lynch SOV

ZJ is starting to read frustrated villager.

I'm going to hate myself when she flips wolf and I've talked myself out of lynching her.

The timing of this is interesting because Zigs was currently in the lead. One of my biggest reasons that zigs was village read in my mind was because of her and Mel's interactions but this.... gives me some pause.

 

[Crayola227]

I understand that. Please do. This is how I have cleared her.

Again, you did clear her for being in the tie up until 6:58 pm when I unmade the tie and she stayed where she it. So that two minutes of staying on her vote is it for you?

Wolf Dubz ABSOLUTELY would have been smart enough not to get into a wafflefest with village me at deadline. She saw me breaking that tie coming a mile away. She just waxed poetic about that sweet sweet town cred wolves love to cultivate even if at times it are working against themselves, or are indeed taking a risk. She would have risked staying where she was but looking good if she came out of it, over waffling in reaction to my waffling, and outing a truly wolfy motivation.

I am pathological about doing weird tie things at deadline, and even I, if I were a wolf, would have not taken that bait and would have waited for someone like me to settle, especially 2 min til when any number of votes could have been submitted.

Frankly, the only reason I'm not looking more closely at Dubz is all the weird stuff you've pulled.

 

[Dinashadow]

I'm not only voting for cray because of NKA and idk why you are so hung up on this. I believe the way for village to win is to have it tied between cray and Dina

Because NKA is WIFOM-y and hardly ever productive. Also seems like an easy way to just vote for Cray.

 

[Crayola227]

No offense but you haven't been around all game. It wasn't a pressure vote. I truly believe the wolf is either you or Dina and I don't know who.

My point is why did you vote me and not her, then? Why do you keep missing the point? I'm not expecting you to agree.

I'm wondering why, when at lylo you are torn between two candidates, you go for one and not the other. Surely there is a reason. I would hope it would be something to make up for how sketch it looks to place your vote on the one of the two one might expect will offer zero defense that day. Surely even you must see what my point is here. At this point you are losing points in my book just for seeming to be this obstinate about any counterpoint made.

 

[Crayola227]

This is really bothering me.

What about it, specifically, please? You keep posting these giant wall o quotes and with basically no commentary explaining what you in particular are gleaning from them. It's very cryptic. It's also a way for a wolf to appear to generate content.

 

[Crayola227]

He brings up this weird "chat" thing but then never pursues it

OK I am not following you at all

 

[Crayola227]

I'm not only voting for cray because of NKA and idk why you are so hung up on this. I believe the way for village to win is to have it tied between cray and Dina

wat

 

[Crayola227]

What are you even talking about? I never said staying on the tie looked wolfy.
I think the only one who said that was skim and you.
I literally said "village points for dubs" when she did it. She could have changed, she didn't. No way a wolf would've wanted to sit on that with a 2/3 chance of dying.

no, you were saying that being on the tie didn't clear her, before she had the "window" you say clears her, and I'm pointing out that window and what occurred may be such that it's NOT enough to clear her

 

[WildZoo]

Again, you did clear her for being in the tie up until 6:58 pm when I unmade the tie and she stayed where she it. So that two minutes of staying on her vote is it for you?

Wolf Dubz ABSOLUTELY would have been smart enough not to get into a wafflefest with village me at deadline. She saw me breaking that tie coming a mile away. She just waxed poetic about that sweet sweet town cred wolves love to cultivate even if at times it are working against themselves, or are indeed taking a risk. She would have risked staying where she was but looking good if she came out of it, over waffling in reaction to my waffling, and outing a truly wolfy motivation.

I am pathological about doing weird tie things at deadline, and even I, if I were a wolf, would have not taken that bait and would have waited for someone like me to settle, especially 2 min til when any number of votes could have been submitted.

Frankly, the only reason I'm not looking more closely at Dubz is all the weird stuff you've pulled.

Wolf me probably wouldn't have pushed for the tie in the first place tbh. There was no reason for me to put myself in danger by agreeing with sobsob yesterday except that I believed it would turn out better for the village. It's not like I'm historically a fan of getting myself killed for the greater good.

 

[WildZoo]

Well at least I know that one person voting for zig isn't a wolf, so that's...good. or...confusing.

Uh I'm gonna settle in for my reread now. Be back in a bit.

 

[WildZoo]

By the way, I highly doubt I'd go anywhere near lynching cray today. I don't find the argument that she's the wolf and left me alive for that reason very compelling. Possible, sure, but skimble was a better kill than me, she was more clear. I think pretty much any wolf would have left me alive here. Hell Mel probably told them before he died to make sure to take me to LyLo because that's how wolves win games 😛

 

[Crayola227]

What are you even talking about? I never said staying on the tie looked wolfy.
I think the only one who said that was skim and you.
I literally said "village points for dubs" when she did it. She could have changed, she didn't. No way a wolf would've wanted to sit on that with a 2/3 chance of dying.

and was it actually 2/3 chance of dying? or was it 1/3? might have been worth staying where she was while I flopped for 2 minutes to get to lylo with more town cred, I dunno

I find your maths suspect

 

[Crayola227]

By the way, I highly doubt I'd go anywhere near lynching cray today. I don't find the argument that she's the wolf and left me alive for that reason very compelling. Possible, sure, but skimble was a better kill than me, she was more clear. I think pretty much any wolf would have left me alive here. Hell Mel probably told them before he died to make sure to take me to LyLo because that's how wolves win games 😛

thinking about this, I can concede to Ziggy that my continued existence in general doesn't make sense on the surface just because of the town cred I got with my voting, as weird as it was (always is)

however, it is true that you and I don't have a great lylo track record together as village

I actually understand why me being alive bothers Ziggy, but not in a comparative sense, if that makes sense. Like, yes, if I were Ziggy I would scratch my head that Cray still lived. But like, let's put on a thinking hat like a wolf:

SP
Skim
Ziggy
Cray
WZ
Dinah

For argument's sake, let's not get into who here could be wolf. Just pretend they're all villagers, and this game you're a wolf trying to make a lylo.

SP - the only thing I remember is people saying "wow she's so village"
Dinah - has had tons of controversy behind her this game, and lots of interactions with known wolves, has been voted consistently
WZ - turns in circles at lylo, also has often been at odds with Cray in past lylos, many good players have strongly lobbied for her death, general sketch level considered high as a rule
Skim - was able to steer the village off of Cray, reads Cray well, was going to vote Cray just for her silence, then backed off and rationally discussed what voting histories cleared what players and why, in general her name has not come up seriously as a wolf suspect, seriously, who was going to vote for her at lylo?
Cray - good voting history, but was a sub, is behind, clueless, generates noise, was inactive, but also did weird things at lynch deadline and is expected to be unconscious at lylo, general sketch level considered high as a rule, favorite shiny object to place on top of tin foil hats

keep in mind, this is literally just going off of basically nothing but from Mel's lynch on. and I didn't even read what all happened the day he died.

I'm not even bringing Ziggy and what her NK appeal factor might be or not. Honestly, she too seems to have been awfully cleared to have lived this long. Difference between her and I, is that I have ACTIONS to point to support that I am village despite still being alive. What does she have again?

I mean, ffs, who here would you want at lylo? You can generate a lot of suspicion off me NO matter my voting history, compared to Skim or SP this game.

I don't know Ziggy, I'm really hoping you're a wolf, because then I could say what I really think and it wouldn't sound like such a dick thing to say to someone, that I feel like you're not really getting what seems obvious about the fact that for the wolves, Skim and SP were obviously higher priority targets in terms of lower mislynchability (that's a baseline truth) compared to myself.

Conversely, sometimes you DON'T kill off the villager with a lot of town cred, but there's some strat caveats to this.

 

[Crayola227]

it's ridiculous because I am considering WZ or Dina, but the fact that Ziggy is more interested in me than those two, for the reasons she's stated, boggles my mind

It's very hard for me to entertain suspicions on those players in light of this.

I want to say at this point I'm flabbergasted to the point of saying, "No way a wolf would be this bizarre in their lylo vote choice," and maybe thinking it's v vs v. Except too of course, unless wolfy Ziggy has flipflopped too much to want to risk going back now.

And is this exactly what Dinah and WZ want? Is this why I feel like the fight is just between me and Ziggy now?

If Dinah or WZ are wolves, this is exactly what they want between me and Ziggy.

If Ziggy wasn't so obstinate, we could focus more on exploring whether or not this could be Dinah or WZ.

Of course, if she's a wolf, things as they are could be exactly the status quo she wants.

 

[DocEspana]

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[Lawpy]

D10 No time for Colors or Gifs Lynch Tally

cray (1) - zigzag
dina (1) - dubz
zigzag (2) - cray, Dina

Zigzag's in the lead!

4/4

Deadline 10pm est (~3.5 hours)

 

[CoffeeQuestionMark]

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[WildZoo]

Sorry I dropped off the face of the earth, personal stuff, life, etc etc

I really want to contribute here but I don't know what to do. I don't want to fall for lynching zig if she has been left alive so long specifically because wolves figured we'd turn on her eventually for still being alive.

I'm going to see if I have enough time to reread quickly with the dead villas on ignore. Might pick up on some wolf interactions I missed before or something.

 

[WildZoo]

I'm trying very, very hard to stay calm and not do my normal LyLo thing.

 

[cubsrule4e]

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[ziggyandjazzy]

My test is done. Ill form a post

 

[Dinashadow]

I'm waiting for zigs to come back and at least offer something else besides that she's hard cleared dubz and that the answer is a tie between cray and I before I'd be willing to switch.

I'm still suspicious of wz but haven't finished my read through but I can't reconcile that whatever happened yesterday with the waffling is a hard clear especially when cray was opposed to the tie to begin with. Yes it's a risky move as a wolf but she had a lot of suspicion on her especially from zigs and she would've needed to pull through lylo somehow.

Then there's Cray who is my most likely village but I don't know. She could be doing a good job wolfing. The docE vote on her after saying she isn't a wolf was weird and I don't know what to make of it

 

[WildZoo]

I'm waiting for zigs to come back and at least offer something else besides that she's hard cleared dubz and that the answer is a tie between cray and I before I'd be willing to switch.

I'm still suspicious of wz but haven't finished my read through but I can't reconcile that whatever happened yesterday with the waffling is a hard clear especially when cray was opposed to the tie to begin with. Yes it's a risky move as a wolf but she had a lot of suspicion on her especially from zigs and she would've needed to pull through lylo somehow.

Then there's Cray who is my most likely village but I don't know. She could be doing a good job wolfing. The docE vote on her after saying she isn't a wolf was weird and I don't know what to make of it

I agreed to make the tie in the first place. I agreed to a 2/3 chance of death. I would trust my lynch armor over RNG anytime. There was no reason for me to agree to and push for the tie that could have resulted in my death when I am perfectly capable of talking myself out of being lynched at LyLo (lol whoops that sentence will probably make people nervous). I was begging cray to leave the tie, you think I can read her mind or something and knew she wouldn't listen?

 

[ziggyandjazzy]

Ok I will try my best to explain myself and answer any comments after that if they need answer.

I woke up this morning and looked at my phone, I instantly got a vote in because I KNEW going in to today, there would be 4 people, and that it would likely end in a tie. I did not want to be the one making the tie, because I know my affiliation. This is why I tried to get dubs to get a vote in early also, because I didn't want her being the one making the tie later in the day. This is exactly what happened in the noob game, where m# had not voted for the appropriate person early, and created a tie as a villager, making it much more likely village would lose.

I didn't realize how much people would turn on me. I should've had the foresight, but I didn't. (my mom always says that I "lack tact". I should start listening to her.) I also didn't have the foresight to realize a villager wouldn't be ready to go down "for the cause" when they also are suspicious of other people. It was stupid thinking everyone would just agree to my well thought out plan lol.

 

[ziggyandjazzy]

I figured the way for village to win would be cray and Dina in a tie because again, I know my affiliation, and I have the strongest belief in dubs. I don't know who is more suspect between Dina and Cray, though it is likely Dina. Cray obv did the tie break which seems super village but could be a grand way to gain everyone's hearts and win the game.

(as it stands)The way I figure it, if dubs is wolf (which I dont believe), she has already won the game. If dina is wolf, she has already lost the game. If it's cray, it could go either way.

 

[Crayola227]

I agreed to make the tie in the first place. I agreed to a 2/3 chance of death. I would trust my lynch armor over RNG anytime. There was no reason for me to agree to and push for the tie that could have resulted in my death when I am perfectly capable of talking myself out of being lynched at LyLo (lol whoops that sentence will probably make people nervous). I was begging cray to leave the tie, you think I can read her mind or something and knew she wouldn't listen?

Mmm, I was sorta with you here, except this last part. C'mon, when did I ever not interfere with a tie/near tie??

 

[Dinashadow]

I agreed to make the tie in the first place. I agreed to a 2/3 chance of death. I would trust my lynch armor over RNG anytime. There was no reason for me to agree to and push for the tie that could have resulted in my death when I am perfectly capable of talking myself out of being lynched at LyLo (lol whoops that sentence will probably make people nervous). I was begging cray to leave the tie, you think I can read her mind or something and knew she wouldn't listen?

I think her previous night voting pattern and her resistance to the tie made it less likely she would've stuck with it. There was always the possibility of the the tie happening and somebody switching last minute. We can't know what would've happened

 

[Crayola227]

honestly I didn't even know, I was tempted to leave the 3 way or 4 way or whatever tie it was with my first switch vote that was a joke

than I decided that was wrong

I HATE ties, seriously.

Well, frankly I now have no idea who to vote

 

[WildZoo]

I think her previous night voting pattern and her resistance to the tie made it less likely she would've stuck with it. There was always the possibility of the the tie happening and somebody switching last minute. We can't know what would've happened

Yes...the fact that we can't know and that there is only one wolf left, aka if I am the wolf in this situation I am wolfing alone, would be reason enough for me to stay far away from that situation.

 

[WildZoo]

Mmm, I was sorta with you here, except this last part. C'mon, when did I ever not interfere with a tie/near tie??

I'm pretty sure you've made ties before cray...and anyway I thought you might see the reasoning behind it and leave it alone 😛

honestly I didn't even know, I was tempted to leave the 3 way or 4 way or whatever tie it was with my first switch vote that was a joke

than I decided that was wrong

I HATE ties, seriously.

Well, frankly I now have no idea who to vote

I kind of think we should leave the vote how it is
I recognize this may make people uncomfortable. But I really feel we're between dina and zig here.

Either way I think I'm keeping my vote.

 

[ziggyandjazzy]

Again, you did clear her for being in the tie up until 6:58 pm when I unmade the tie and she stayed where she it. So that two minutes of staying on her vote is it for you?

Wolf Dubz ABSOLUTELY would have been smart enough not to get into a wafflefest with village me at deadline. She saw me breaking that tie coming a mile away. She just waxed poetic about that sweet sweet town cred wolves love to cultivate even if at times it are working against themselves, or are indeed taking a risk. She would have risked staying where she was but looking good if she came out of it, over waffling in reaction to my waffling, and outing a truly wolfy motivation.

I am pathological about doing weird tie things at deadline, and even I, if I were a wolf, would have not taken that bait and would have waited for someone like me to settle, especially 2 min til when any number of votes could have been submitted.

Frankly, the only reason I'm not looking more closely at Dubz is all the weird stuff you've pulled.

It has nothing to do with staying on the tie the last two minutes. She could've easily broken the tie way before those last 2 minutes. and she didn't. This hard clears her for me, you don't have to agree. It's my opinion.

I have really no idea what motivated you to break that tie or why you did it. And I am going to listen to SOV here and say that breaking the tie WAS wolfy. We would've been better off in endgame with that tie.

Because NKA is WIFOM-y and hardly ever productive. Also seems like an easy way to just vote for Cray.

My vote for her is not just NKA, like I said.

My point is why did you vote me and not her, then? Why do you keep missing the point? I'm not expecting you to agree.

I'm wondering why, when at lylo you are torn between two candidates, you go for one and not the other. Surely there is a reason. I would hope it would be something to make up for how sketch it looks to place your vote on the one of the two one might expect will offer zero defense that day. Surely even you must see what my point is here. At this point you are losing points in my book just for seeming to be this obstinate about any counterpoint made.

"zero defense" dude I said I had a midterm, that I was attempting to study for before this bull****.
Yes, I explained my reason. I was anticipating a tie. And I formed a tin foil with you overnight. Could be wrong, could be right