Official 2011-2012 IM "How To Rank" Thread

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Hey guys; definitely want to go into primary care but I'm having a hard time deciding what is the best program out there. I have some bias of going to new york. Help appreciated.

The programs I'm choosing among are: Social med at Montefiore, HVMA at the Brigham, Primary care at MGH, Hopkins Urban Health.

I understand these are good names, etc...but I'm wondering if people have insight on the quality of primary care teaching and support. Thanks!
 
LatinoMasFino said:
Hey guys; definitely want to go into primary care but I'm having a hard time deciding what is the best program out there. I have some bias of going to new york. Help appreciated.

The programs I'm choosing among are: Social med at Montefiore, HVMA at the Brigham, Primary care at MGH, Hopkins Urban Health.

I understand these are good names, etc...but I'm wondering if people have insight on the quality of primary care teaching and support. Thanks!
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This one might need it's own thread, honestly.
 
I'm about 2/3 done interviewing and have been overwhelmed by certain program that I didn't expect much from and underwhelmed by others that I thought I would want to rank at the top. That being said, I also don't know how much weight to put into a one day glance at a program so I'm looking to the SDN gods for some guidance... I plan on staying in academics and going into heme/onc or cards after medicine. No family/kids here and hoping for strong training and would prefer to be in a fun,vibrant city:

Yale
UChic
Cornell
NYU
UTSW
UCLA
UCI
Wash U
Baylor
Duke

Thanks!
 
texasguy said:
I'm about 2/3 done interviewing and have been overwhelmed by certain program that I didn't expect much from and underwhelmed by others that I thought I would want to rank at the top. That being said, I also don't know how much weight to put into a one day glance at a program so I'm looking to the SDN gods for some guidance... I plan on staying in academics and going into heme/onc or cards after medicine. No family/kids here and hoping for strong training and would prefer to be in a fun,vibrant city:

Yale
UChic
Cornell
NYU
UTSW
UCLA
UCI
Wash U
Baylor
Duke

Thanks!
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With a list like that it probably won't matter what program you rank #2 or beyond, and definitely won't matter what you rank #5 and beyond. The only sore thumb I see in that list is UCI so put that at the bottom (besides...Irvine? no thanks). Then, frankly, rank by which city you like best. If I were to rank that list it would be completely by location.

You're not going to get significantly better training or fellowship options by going to WashU over Duke, or UCLA over UChicago or any other combination you can come up with from your list. So, as has been said numerous times, go with your gut.
 
gutonc said:
With a list like that it probably won't matter what program you rank #2 or beyond, and definitely won't matter what you rank #5 and beyond. The only sore thumb I see in that list is UCI so put that at the bottom (besides...Irvine? no thanks). Then, frankly, rank by which city you like best. If I were to rank that list it would be completely by location.

You're not going to get significantly better training or fellowship options by going to WashU over Duke, or UCLA over UChicago or any other combination you can come up with from your list. So, as has been said numerous times, go with your gut.
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Thanks so much for the feedback. That's actually what I was really hoping to hear! I've lived in large cities my whole life and have close friends in some of the places I interviewed at but then got a great vibe from a few programs in the smaller cities. I'm just not sure how happy I'd be in those cities for three years especially considering that a larger proportion of their residents had families and children (no disrespect to anyone, just in a different boat than me). I'm thinking of going on one or two second visit's to try to assess how much these things should factor into my rank list because I foolishly didn't consider it much when I first started interviewing. Thanks again!!
 
texasguy said:
I'm thinking of going on one or two second visit's to try to assess how much these things should factor into my rank list because I foolishly didn't consider it much when I first started interviewing. Thanks again!!
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This is where I think the 2nd look is a really good idea. I did it at my #1 and #2 programs, one of which was in a city of >8 million, the other in a city of 1 million 3000 miles away (it won't take a rocket scientist to figure out those two cities). The 2nd look was strictly for social reasons and cemented my decision.
 
gutonc said:
This is where I think the 2nd look is a really good idea. I did it at my #1 and #2 programs, one of which was in a city of >8 million, the other in a city of 1 million 3000 miles away (it won't take a rocket scientist to figure out those two cities). The 2nd look was strictly for social reasons and cemented my decision.
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Are program coordinators the best one's to contact about this or program directors?
 
adagio said:
A man from Crete is saying: all men from Crete are liars. Is he telling the truth?
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He is lying, of course, because in truth, only some men from Crete are liars.
 
Opinions of these these programs based on academic rep, clinical training, fellowship placement. Interested in Cards, Pulm/CC.

OSU
Indiana
UIC
Rush
Baylor
UT Houston
Uflorida
VCU
 
BestDoc4u said:
Opinions of these these programs based on academic rep, clinical training, fellowship placement. Interested in Cards, Pulm/CC.

OSU
Indiana
UIC
Rush
Baylor
UT Houston
Uflorida
VCU
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IMO

Baylor
OSU=UIC
Rush=UTH=VCU
Indiana=Florida ?
 
Alright guys, I went on a crap load of interviews, I have a few more left. But can you rank these based on academic rep (or Tier them??).

  1. Emory
  2. UVa
  3. Baylor
  4. UChicago-Northshore
  5. UIC
  6. Rush
  7. OHSU
  8. OSU
  9. Cincinatti
  10. Cleveland Clinic
  11. Case Western
  12. Mayo
  13. Scripps
  14. UC Irvine
  15. Iowa
  16. Wisconsin
  17. UAB
 
@DVN, if you are to rank them yourself (based on your overall impressions) how would you rank them?
 
DrVanNostran said:
Alright guys, I went on a crap load of interviews, I have a few more left. But can you rank these based on academic rep (or Tier them??).

  1. Emory
  2. UVa
  3. Baylor
  4. UChicago-Northshore
  5. UIC
  6. Rush
  7. OHSU
  8. OSU
  9. Cincinatti
  10. Cleveland Clinic
  11. Case Western
  12. Mayo
  13. Scripps
  14. UC Irvine
  15. Iowa
  16. Wisconsin
  17. UAB
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Tiered...

UAB
Emory
UVA
Wisconsin
Mayo
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Baylor
OHSU
Iowa
Case Western
Cleveland Clinic
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UIC
Rush
The rest...
 
DrVanNostran said:
Alright guys, I went on a crap load of interviews, I have a few more left. But can you rank these based on academic rep (or Tier them??).

  1. Emory
  2. UVa
  3. Baylor
  4. UChicago-Northshore
  5. UIC
  6. Rush
  7. OHSU
  8. OSU
  9. Cincinatti
  10. Cleveland Clinic
  11. Case Western
  12. Mayo
  13. Scripps
  14. UC Irvine
  15. Iowa
  16. Wisconsin
  17. UAB
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Ignoring the programs I know little about.

OHSU
Wisconsin
Mayo
UAB

OSU
Iowa
Baylor


Are you talking Scripps Green or Mercy?
I've been hearing people rave about Rush on the interview trail. You obviously have a better feel for the Ohio programs than I do. You already know that I was pleasantly surprised by OSU (jumped from about #8 to my top 3).

ps - I cancelled Baylor yesterday and am planning on cancelling Iowa soon. Stupid move?
 
LatinoMasFino said:
Hey guys; definitely want to go into primary care but I'm having a hard time deciding what is the best program out there. I have some bias of going to new york. Help appreciated.

The programs I'm choosing among are: Social med at Montefiore, HVMA at the Brigham, Primary care at MGH, Hopkins Urban Health.

I understand these are good names, etc...but I'm wondering if people have insight on the quality of primary care teaching and support. Thanks!
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With regard to hopkins urban health if u want to serve an urban population when u are done it is a great program. The other programs at Hopkins aren't great for primary care and are really geared more toward sending people into specialties.
 
please group these in tier as im at the end of my interview trails... what are my any chances that I will match in my top 5?

JHH, Penn, UCSF, UCLA, UCSD, Yale, Vandy, Wash U, BIDMC, Pitt, UVA, Mayo, Maryland, Bayview, Georgetown

Thanks!
 
im4ever said:
please group these in tier as im at the end of my interview trails... what are my any chances that I will match in my top 5?

JHH, Penn, UCSF, UCLA, UCSD, Yale, Vandy, Wash U, BIDMC, Pitt, UVA, Mayo, Maryland, Bayview, Georgetown

Thanks!
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Tiers based on academic prestige:

JHH
UCSF
Penn
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WashU
Vandy
UCLA
Yale
BIDMC
Pitt
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UCSD
Mayo
UVA
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Maryland
----------
Bayview
Georgetown

Nice looking list you've got! Obviously, if you have any sort of common sense, your rank list won't look precisely like the order I put them in for you.
 
Hello everyone. Finally done with interviewing. Would like help in ranking according to reputation, training, and research/fellowship opportunities. Interested in academic cardiology or GI. Thanks!

Mayo
UNC
UVA
Duke
WashU
Case Western
UCSD
UAB
Colorado
Wisconsin
UTSW
Baylor
Cornell
Emory
 
Would love to have feedback on ranking. Interested in Heme/Onc and preserving sanity. As an outdoorsman, I am leaning toward Dartmouth, but Yale (even PC) is hard to ignore academically. Also probably would like to stay at the same place for fellowship. I am non-trad with an engineering PhD and a postdoc before med school. In several places I interviewed with heme/onc fellowship directors, and surprisingly all were interested to recruit me.

Dartmouth
Yale (PC)
BU
UMass
TJ
NYU
UVM
UConn

Thanks much! All insights are appreciated!
 
agathodemon said:
Would love to have feedback on ranking. Interested in Heme/Onc and preserving sanity. As an outdoorsman, I am leaning toward Dartmouth, but Yale (even PC) is hard to ignore academically. Also probably would like to stay at the same place for fellowship. I am non-trad with an engineering PhD and a postdoc before med school. In several places I interviewed with heme/onc fellowship directors, and surprisingly all were interested to recruit me.

Dartmouth
Yale (PC)
BU
UMass
TJ
NYU
UVM
UConn

Thanks much! All insights are appreciated!
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NYU has stellar reputation, but you will go berserk if you are an outdoorsman!!

Dartmouth has it all: Great program, great leadership, and unbeatable location for someone like you.
 
drrockstar140 said:
Ignoring the programs I know little about.

OHSU
Wisconsin
Mayo
UAB
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Is that Mayo in MN? I'm surprised to see it below OHSU. Would appreciate insight into your reasons. Also, does anyone have an opinion about Mayo in AZ ?
 
Asking for a friend. How would UCLA Harbor compare to UCSD, USC, and Cedars-Sinai in terms of matching in a competitive IM fellowship, cardiology in particular? Thanks.
 
gold&black2005 said:
The faculty does seem good up there, but they're not exactly a huge referral center (except for NH/VT...boston, providence and new haven catch the vast majority of the region population-wise), the resident caliber seemed uneven (varying enthusiasm abt the program as well) and fellowship match was nothing to write home about. A special place given Dartmouth's strengths in policy, public service and bench research, undoubtedly, but DHMC is tough to rank above NYU, UMD, BU or even Brown.
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pls rank/tier based on academic reputation...
this is my tier/rank...

1.michigan
2.yale
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3.pitt
4.mtsinai in nyc
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5. nyu
6. U maryland
7. bu
8. Univ of rochester
9. USC
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10. brown
11. dartmouth
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12. georgetown
13. thomas jefferson
14. tufts
 
Asp said:
Asking for a friend. How would UCLA Harbor compare to UCSD, USC, and Cedars-Sinai in terms of matching in a competitive IM fellowship, cardiology in particular? Thanks.
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UCSD>>>>>>>>>USC>UCLA harbor>>>>cedar sinai

it is debatable if USC =ucla harbor but otherwise the above is correct...
 
jjy2103 said:
UCSD>>>>>>>>>USC>UCLA harbor>>>>cedar sinai

it is debatable if USC =ucla harbor but otherwise the above is correct...
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I think your ranking is very off. USCD might be on top, but not by much. And USC is not better than harbor or cedars. I'm not sure why you put Cedars so low either, especially considering they have an amazing in-house cards fellowship program, with better reputation than UCSD's. I'd say UCSD>Cedars=USC=Harbor.
 
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butterfinger said:
Hello everyone. Finally done with interviewing. Would like help in ranking according to reputation, training, and research/fellowship opportunities. Interested in academic cardiology or GI. Thanks!

Mayo
UNC
UVA
Duke
WashU
Case Western
UCSD
UAB
Colorado
Wisconsin
UTSW
Baylor
Cornell
Emory
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I think this is an overall nice list of solid upper tier programs. I would rank them sorta as Duke > WashU = UTSW > UNC = Cornell > UVA = UCSD = UAB = Baylor = Emory = Wisconsin = Colorado = Case Western = Mayo. Can't really go too wrong with any of these programs but of course it sorta depends what you want out of residency.
 
DrVanNostran said:
Alright guys, I went on a crap load of interviews, I have a few more left. But can you rank these based on academic rep (or Tier them??).

  1. Emory
  2. UVa
  3. Baylor
  4. UChicago-Northshore
  5. UIC
  6. Rush
  7. OHSU
  8. OSU
  9. Cincinatti
  10. Cleveland Clinic
  11. Case Western
  12. Mayo
  13. Scripps
  14. UC Irvine
  15. Iowa
  16. Wisconsin
  17. UAB
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UAB
Emory
OHSU
Mayo
UVA
rest

im4ever said:
please group these in tier as im at the end of my interview trails... what are my any chances that I will match in my top 5?

JHH, Penn, UCSF, UCLA, UCSD, Yale, Vandy, Wash U, BIDMC, Pitt, UVA, Mayo, Maryland, Bayview, Georgetown

Thanks!
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1a
JHH
UCSF
Penn
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1b
Yale
Vandy
Washu
BIDMC
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1c
UCLA
UVA
PITT
Mayo
UCSD
-----
2
Maryland
Bayview
----
3
Georgetown

butterfinger said:
Hello everyone. Finally done with interviewing. Would like help in ranking according to reputation, training, and research/fellowship opportunities. Interested in academic cardiology or GI. Thanks!

Mayo
UNC
UVA
Duke
WashU
Case Western
UCSD
UAB
Colorado
Wisconsin
UTSW
Baylor
Cornell
Emory
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In terms of strength of clinical training:
Duke, UTSW, UAB, Emory, ?cornell, rest

In terms of academic reputation in the south
Duke, UTSW, Emory, UAB

In terms of academic reputation in the north
Duke, Cornell, ?WashU, UAB, UTSW, Emory
 
I want to join in the fun!! I sort of have an idea in my head already, but curious to see what people who don't know me personally think. Am torn between wanting to pursue primary care versus GI, so a place that would open doors for both would be great. Done with the interviews, now have to figure out how to rank. In no particular order:

Indiana U
Case Western
Ohio State
UPMC
Wayne State
Beaumont (Troy, MI)
Henry Ford
Mayo (Rochester)
U of Minnesota
U of Wisconsin
Rochester (NY)

Clearly needed to stay in the snowy portion of midwest for family reasons...
 
I have no problem selecting my top 5.

Problem is with ranking botttom 5 ( 6 to 10)

Savannah Memorial , savannah, GA
USA ( univ,of south alabama ), mobile:
UTC: ( univ. of tenn. chattanooga )
ETSU ( east tennesse state univ.) : 4 hospitals
Baptist birmingham : 2 hospitals

How would u guys rank ?
Thank You
 
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DOk1ng said:
I have no problem selecting my top 5.

Problem is with ranking botttom 5

  1. Savannah Memorial :
  2. USA, mobile:
  3. UTC:
  4. ETSU: 4 hospitals
  5. Baptist birmingham : 2 hospitals
How would u guys rank ?
Thank You
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uhhhh....
 
DOk1ng said:
I have no problem selecting my top 5.

Problem is with ranking botttom 5

  1. Savannah Memorial :
  2. USA, mobile:
  3. UTC:
  4. ETSU: 4 hospitals
  5. Baptist birmingham : 2 hospitals
How would u guys rank ?
Thank You
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Well . . . those are some fairly unknown programs, many in the deep south. I think I'd rank the university programs higher than the community programs.
 
Indiana U vs. Case Western or Wisconsin?
 
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LoveGI said:
I want to join in the fun!! I sort of have an idea in my head already, but curious to see what people who don't know me personally think. Am torn between wanting to pursue primary care versus GI, so a place that would open doors for both would be great. Done with the interviews, now have to figure out how to rank. In no particular order:

Indiana U
Case Western
Ohio State
UPMC
Wayne State
Beaumont (Troy, MI)
Henry Ford
Mayo (Rochester)
U of Minnesota
U of Wisconsin
Rochester (NY)

Clearly needed to stay in the snowy portion of midwest for family reasons...
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If you have an idea of how you'd rank them, why not put them in that order? That way we can make more rational recommendations. Nobody makes these decisions in a vacuum and if we have some idea of what type of program you like (Beaumont and Mayo are so different as to be un-comparable) we can be more helpful.
 
gutonc said:
If you have an idea of how you'd rank them, why not put them in that order? That way we can make more rational recommendations. Nobody makes these decisions in a vacuum and if we have some idea of what type of program you like (Beaumont and Mayo are so different as to be un-comparable) we can be more helpful.
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Sure thing- I have rough 'tiers' but no idea where everything will honestly add up. Both my and my spouse's entire families live in the Detroit area, so that is the major draw there (although we both kind of want to be near but not in the backyard due to other career needs than just my own). So the groupings look something like this:

Indiana U
U of Minnesota
U of Wisconsin
Case Western

Beaumont
UPMC
Mayo
Ohio State

U of Rochester
Henry Ford
Wayne State
A few more not listed (a few university programs I didn't love but will still rank lower, a few community programs I really liked and wouldn't mind being at but realize a university program is a better bet for my career goals).
 
Beaumont with UPMC, Mayo, and OSU 😵

Indiana higher than Minnesota Case, and Wisconsin 😵
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I do not know much about ranking, but the little I know screams to me that you did the right thing by consulting the forum
 
adagio said:
Beaumont with UPMC, Mayo, and OSU 😵

Indiana higher than Minnesota Case, and Wisconsin 😵
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I do not know much about ranking, but the little I know screams to me that you did the right thing by consulting the forum
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This is exactly why I'm curious what others would do- I'm factoring in family in the area, availability of jobs and opportunities for my spouse, ease of having a family in the city the place is located (it may just be my salary we all have to live on, at least for a while). So I have other factors that are weighing in pretty heavy from my perspective...wanting to know what others think that don't know all these details to sway them in any particular direction.
 
Case has apparently been putting crack in the bottled water on interview day! :meanie:

Much love for Case this year.

They might be the new Pitt? The next up and comer?
 
Case has apparently been putting crack in the bottled water on interview day
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Could Yeyo be consumed orally?! I am surprised!!
 
gutonc said:
Mayo
U of Minnesota
U of Wisconsin
UPMC

Indiana U
Case Western
Ohio State
U of Rochester

Beaumont
Henry Ford
Wayne State
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I'd argue for OSU to be pushed closer to the bottom of this first tier.....especially with heme/onc in mind. Definitely > Case.....(I haven't had any of the crack water myself)
 
.(I haven't had any of the crack water myself)
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This is because it cannot be consumed orally, as I have previously elucidated.

You definitely inhaled some of that fishy smelling air freshener though! 😀
 
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