Official 2011-2012 IM "How To Rank" Thread

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Yeyo.....?
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OOOooo, .....ashamed to consult urban dictionary on this one.

yeyo = cuban slang referring to cocaine......Case, ....crack water....I've come full circle
 
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drrockstar140 said:
I'd argue for OSU to be pushed closer to the bottom of this first tier.....especially with heme/onc in mind. Definitely > Case.....(I haven't had any of the crack water myself)
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Is OSU definitely better than Case? I'm interested in hem/onc and an academic career and am having a tough time deciding which to rank higher.

On paper OSU has a better hem/onc program but my gut also says that Case has a better internal medicine program which I feel is more important in my career now, not a hem/onc fellowship (maybe I drank the koolaid/crack water?). Anything specific you liked about OSU or anything you disliked or was missing from Case?
 
koopa_troopa said:
Is OSU definitely better than Case? I'm interested in hem/onc and an academic career and am having a tough time deciding which to rank higher.

On paper OSU has a better hem/onc program but my gut also says that Case has a better internal medicine program which I feel is more important in my career now, not a hem/onc fellowship (maybe I drank the koolaid/crack water?). Anything specific you liked about OSU or anything you disliked or was missing from Case?
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Here is my OPINION:

Prestige: Case>OSU
City:Columbus>Cleveland
Fellowship Match: Case>OSU
H/O departments: OSU>Case
PDs: Both seem great, but Dr. Armitage from Case is a big Seinfeld fan, so he wins IMO.

I think Case opens up more doors.

But, if you are single, OSU>>>>>Case!
 
koopa_troopa said:
Is OSU definitely better than Case? I'm interested in hem/onc and an academic career and am having a tough time deciding which to rank higher.

On paper OSU has a better hem/onc program but my gut also says that Case has a better internal medicine program which I feel is more important in my career now, not a hem/onc fellowship (maybe I drank the koolaid/crack water?). Anything specific you liked about OSU or anything you disliked or was missing from Case?
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Sorry. I was being over-zealous when stating that OSU was "definitely" > Case. In fact, I didn't even apply/interview at Case so it's difficult to compare.

However, OSU's "James" does have the coveted "comprehensive cancer center" designation from the NCI....for what it's worth.

At the end of the day, I think you are being very responsible in basing your decision on your perceived strength of general internal medicine training, especially considering that a majority? of us develop our career interests early in residency training (which is part the beauty of IM......many open doors).

Best of luck to you....and try not to let internet forums (eg - SDN) sway your decisions too much! 😉
 
DrVanNostran said:
Here is my OPINION:

Prestige: Case>OSU
City:Columbus>Cleveland
Fellowship Match: Case>OSU
H/O departments: OSU>Case
PDs: Both seem great, but Dr. Armitage from Case is a big Seinfeld fan, so he wins IMO.

I think Case opens up more doors.

But, if you are single, OSU>>>>>Case!
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I didn't even consider the being single aspect! 😀 In the end the programs looks pretty even, and personally for me OSU has a slight advantage for people interested in hem/onc.

I guess the way for me to look at it is I probably can't go wrong at either program.

adagio said:
Sorry. I was being over-zealous when stating that OSU was "definitely" > Case. In fact, I didn't even apply/interview at Case so it's difficult to compare.

However, OSU's "James" does have the coveted "comprehensive cancer center" designation from the NCI....for what it's worth.

At the end of the day, I think you are being very responsible in basing your decision on your perceived strength of general internal medicine training, especially considering that a majority? of us develop our career interests early in residency training (which is part the beauty of IM......many open doors).

Best of luck to you....and try not to let internet forums (eg - SDN) sway your decisions too much!
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Case also has a NCI CCC and just opened up a new freestanding cancer hospital (Seidman Cancer Center) this year (I think one of 12 free standing cancer centers in the country). OSU also has a freestanding CCC and is constructing a new hospital 'planned' to open in mid 2014 (but im guessing as with all construction plans it will be delayed) which I probably won't get the chance to take advantage of in residency.

I'm not really sure what a CCC really means for a resident. It seems to just emphasize that the hospital has strong basic and clinic research programs as well as good clinical care. But does that that translates into better IM resident exposure/training in hem/onc or a stronger fellowship? I'm not really sure as I think the non-CCC programs train great doctors too. But having the CCC definitely opens up research opportunities.


Thank you guys for your input. I'm sure everyone will go back and forth on their rank list until the last day, I know I will. Good luck in the match!
 
LoveGI said:
Sure thing- I have rough 'tiers' but no idea where everything will honestly add up. Both my and my spouse's entire families live in the Detroit area, so that is the major draw there (although we both kind of want to be near but not in the backyard due to other career needs than just my own). So the groupings look something like this:

Indiana U
U of Minnesota
U of Wisconsin
Case Western

Beaumont
UPMC
Mayo
Ohio State

U of Rochester
Henry Ford
Wayne State
A few more not listed (a few university programs I didn't love but will still rank lower, a few community programs I really liked and wouldn't mind being at but realize a university program is a better bet for my career goals).
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gutonc said:
Mayo
U of Minnesota
U of Wisconsin
UPMC

Indiana U
Case Western
Ohio State
U of Rochester

Beaumont
Henry Ford
Wayne State
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Agree with the above but i'd probably put upmc higher up if it is the main program... Right behind mayo.
 
Here's another very mid-tier list. Interested in cards. No major location preference. Specifically if anyone has insight on Baylor vs. UAB, I'd appreciate it. Thanks!

Baylor
Brown
BU
CCF
Jefferson
Loyola
Rush
Temple
Tufts
Tulane
UAB
UIC
 
I think (from previous dispersed discussions on SDN) that UAB wins every time if compared to baylor. not so much for the city.
 
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bp70 said:
Here's another very mid-tier list. Interested in cards. No major location preference. Specifically if anyone has insight on Baylor vs. UAB, I'd appreciate it. Thanks!

Baylor
Brown
BU
CCF
Jefferson
Loyola
Rush
Temple
Tufts
Tulane
UAB
UIC
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Maybe . . .

UAB
Baylor
CCF = BU = Brown
UIC = Tulane
the rest as you like them
 
Hey Guys just thought I'd throw out my list, sort of have my own impressions, but would like to hear what everyone else thinks as far as rank. Interested in GI right now...

Baylor
UTSW
Mayo-Roch
UT-Houston
UT-San Antonio
A&M Scott/White
MCG
U-Tennessee-Memphis
UF Gainesville & Jacksonville
Methodist-Houston
 
I'd like to know which you guys would rank higher for someone thinking about GI vs hospital medicine. I know Stanford has a great name, but also have heard that it's carried by the undergraduate reputation. Is the medicine department better than UCSD or are they both on par with each other?
 
jdh71 said:
You guys are finally starting to get it! :meanie:

Most years it takes an additional month or two people people start being like, "you guys are full of ****!"
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Hell, I flip coins, roll dice, and throw darts to determine a rank list for all people who pose the question on here.
 
Phyozo said:
I'd like to know which you guys would rank higher for someone thinking about GI vs hospital medicine. I know Stanford has a great name, but also have heard that it's carried by the undergraduate reputation. Is the medicine department better than UCSD or are they both on par with each other?
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I think Stanford medicine department has a better name and maybe some better research opportunities (lots of $$$), but I think the general IM training is probably pretty equal. There seems to be better patient diversity at UCSD, and overall all my gut instinct is to rank UCSD over Stanford.
 
dfk228 said:
Hey Guys just thought I'd throw out my list, sort of have my own impressions, but would like to hear what everyone else thinks as far as rank. Interested in GI right now...

Baylor
UTSW
Mayo-Roch
UT-Houston
UT-San Antonio
A&M Scott/White
MCG
U-Tennessee-Memphis
UF Gainesville & Jacksonville
Methodist-Houston
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UTSW > Mayo = Baylor > UT Houston = UT San Antonio = Scott/White > Methodist (even though a pretty cush life from what I hear) ...... I can't say much about the other programs but given most of your programs are from Texas and I interviewed at all those TX programs this is how I would rank them
 
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I am a fourth year medical student applying for Internal medicine this year. I am having difficulty making out my rank list, so hopefully someone can help me out. As of now my plans are to become a hospitalist/primary care, no fellowships. So when looking at all these different programs academic prestige is not really my #1 criteria. I just want the best clinical training I possibly can receive. I don't care about research or really going into academic medicine. My top four programs are: Mayo clinic, Emory, Carolinas Medical Center (community program), and University of Mississippi. Is there anyone who is gone through these programs that can help me decide how to rank them? Thanks.
 
Hey I need a little help sorting out my list. I come from a med school that has a large public hospital and sees many indigent patients. I need help sorting out all the programs I went to. Looking to do GI after training and would like to go somewhere that would leave me options on where to match (i.e move to west coast, come back to the east coast). Also need a good city for single guys

University of Wisconsin
UAB
Rush
GW
MUSC
USC
UCal Irvine
UTSW
Baylor
GW
 
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gatorguy17 said:
Hey I need a little help sorting out my list. I come from a med school that has a large public hospital and sees many indigent patients. I need help sorting out all the programs I went to. Looking to do GI after training and would like to go somewhere that would leave me options on where to match (i.e move to west coast, come back to the east coast). Also need a good city for single guys

University of Wisconsin
UAB
Rush
GW
MUSC
USC
UCal Irvine
UTSW
Baylor
GW
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UTSW > UAB = Wisconsin = Baylor > USC = UCI > Rush = MUSC > GW
I can't speak for all these programs but particularly for UTSW, Baylor, UAB, and USC you will be in the same training environment as you were for medical school so I don't know if you want to repeat that. Out of all these programs, UTSW has the most national reputation and we have matched into places like Hopkins, Stanford, Northwestern, Michigan, WashU over the past couple of years even though we don't send that many people into GI per year. As for lifestyle, Dallas isn't terrible for young single guys but is probably not on the level of DC/LA or even Madison if you're into college girls.
 
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Here's my list, thought I would get some other views:

USF, MUSC, Miami, Wake Forest, Dartmouth, Brown, UF, VCU
 
how much does the name Brown matter? i know it's an Ivy and all... but is it as well recognized for getting jobs/ fellowships?
would it be stupid to rank temple or jefferson over brown?

Thanks
 
could anyone help me tier these please? interested getting to heme/onc fellowship after residency
brown, case western, cleveland clinic, u of wisconsin madison, indiana, u of rochester, saint louis, loyoloa, mayo arizona, kaiser (LA, SF, oakland, santa clara)
 
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Gutza said:
could anyone help me tier these please? interested in heme/onc fellowship
brown, case western, cleveland clinic, u of wisconsin madison, indiana, u of rochester, saint louis, loyoloa, mayo arizona, kaiser (LA, SF, oakland, santa clara)
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UW
Indy
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Brown
Case
CCF
Roch
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SLU
Loyola
MayoAZ
Kaisers (SF=LA>O=SC)
 
gutonc said:
UW
Indy
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Brown
Case
CCF
Roch
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SLU
Loyola
MayoAZ
Kaisers (SF=LA>O=SC)
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This is Heme/Onc reputation per se, not the better program to help you get Heme/Onc right?
 
thanks for the help, i actually mean better program to help get into heme/onc fellowship
 
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Gutza said:
thanks for the help, i actually mean better program to help get into heme/onc fellowship
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IMO UW has the slight advantage over Case. But both will land you a nice spot if you work hard and are productive.
 
Interested in Pulm/CC.

Iowa
Wisconsin
Rochester
Minnesota
Cleveland Clinic
Cincinati
Nebraska

Thanks guys.
 
Hey guys and gals,

Not really locked into any specific location, want to go into Onc. How would you tier/rank these guys? Only really had so so feeling at Yale, but think it was just my day. Critique away!

In no specific order:

BIDMC
UPenn
JHU-Osler
UChicago
Northwestern
UoWashington
Yale
Mount Sinai

Thanks guys!
 
MidWestGeek22 said:
Hey guys and gals,

Not really locked into any specific location, want to go into Onc. How would you tier/rank these guys? Only really had so so feeling at Yale, but think it was just my day. Critique away!

In no specific order:

BIDMC
UPenn
JHU-Osler
UChicago
Northwestern
UoWashington
Yale
Mount Sinai

Thanks guys!
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Just like that. I'd move MSSM up (probably above Chicago) but that's because I just adored that place (it was my #2).
 
adagio said:
indiana over case, CCF and loyola?!

SLU over loyola?
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I'm in the opinion that Case is a top tier program. Pretty awesome PD, great fellowship match list, great training and a pretty nice hospital.
 
emt30119 said:
Interested in Pulm/CC.

Iowa
Wisconsin
Rochester
Minnesota
Cleveland Clinic
Cincinati
Nebraska

Thanks guys.
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If it was me, it would go something like this:

Wisconsin
CCF
Cincinnati---I really liked Cinci and am not sure how I am going to rank them.
Minnesota
Iowa

I don't know anything about Rochester or Nebraska.
 
gutonc said:
Just like that. I'd move MSSM up (probably above Chicago) but that's because I just adored that place (it was my #2).
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Thanks gutonc, hadn't thought to put BI as #1, care to elaborate? Really appreciate all your input!
 
MidWestGeek22 said:
Hey guys and gals,

Not really locked into any specific location, want to go into Onc. How would you tier/rank these guys? Only really had so so feeling at Yale, but think it was just my day. Critique away!

In no specific order:

BIDMC
UPenn
JHU-Osler
UChicago
Northwestern
UoWashington
Yale
Mount Sinai

Thanks guys!
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Tiers based on general "reputation":

JHU-Osler
UPenn
UWash
BIDMC = UChicago = NWern = Yale
Mt Sinai

Where I would want to go?
That's a separate issue. But that's not what you asked.
 
Interested in cards..

Bayview, OSU, CCF, UIC, Loyola, Mayo-AZ........how would u guys rank these?
 
How would you all rank the following programs based on reputation alone?

I have my own geographic considerations and program preferences, but I'm curious to know what other people think:

UVA
Tulane
Michigan
Wisconsin
MCW
Wash U
Emory
Baylor Houston
San Antonio
Colorado
Utah
UCLA
Cedars Sinai
UCLA Harbor
 
emt30119 said:
Interested in Pulm/CC.

Iowa
Wisconsin
Rochester
Minnesota
Cleveland Clinic
Cincinati
Nebraska

Thanks guys.
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Since a pulm/cc spot still isn't that hard to get, you can easily rank by general reputation and still be fine . . .

Wisconsin
Minn = Iowa
CCF
Roch = Cinci = Nebraska
 
Hey guys. I appreciate all the great information thus far. I am interested in a cardiology fellowship and need help deciding between:

(in no order)

Indiana
VCU
Loyola
UChicago (Northshore)
U. Cincinnati
Iowa
UIC
USF
U. Florida
U. Tennessee

Thank you for all your help
 
hey, Im having a question fitting together the programs into my list, in order Ive got them as:

Wisconsin
Utah
Case
OSU=U Rochester = Cincinnati
VCU
Loyola
**Will be interviewing at UNC and Wake soon

My question in particular regarding Utah & Wisconsin, especially Jdh as I feel like you have been praising both.

I love the outdoors and I think itd be very re-energigzing to have such easy access to the mountains of Salt lake, but I felt like the program and residents at UW Madison (and Case) were noticeably stronger. Obviously it will end up being a personal value decision, but is the difference in programs large enough that it would be unwise to rank Utah even first? I go back and forth, as Madison is a great outdoorsy city itself.
 
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