Official 2011-2012 IM "How To Rank" Thread

[jjy2103]

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in terms of GI/hemeonc fellowship placement...i guess meaning their academic reputation...
how would you rank these programs? thanks in advance!!

georgetown
u maryland
thomas jefferson
BU
tufts
brown
dartmouth
U rochester
NYU

and if you have any west coast experiences, USC and UCLA harbor

 

[jdh71]

I interviewed at Stanford. Basically every housestaff member is from either Harvard, Stanford, Hopkins or some other program in the UsNews top 10 which is why I automatically dismissed my chances after the interview day. I also got the feeling that unless you are definitely are set on subspecializing and doing some heavy research, then you aren't what they are looking for. I have the impression that most people wouldn't put Stanford in their top 10 list of IM programs but it belongs in that next set of programs. Whether that is secondary to carrying the Stanford name rather than the clinical training is something I couldn't get a good grasp of on my day in Palo Alto.

Yeah. Stanford is kind of it's own thing. A different beast.

I would also agree I wouldn't put it top 10 in a classical sense, but if you're interested in a physician scientist career, it'd be a great place. Definitely a top 25 place by reputation.

 

[jdh71]

in terms of GI/hemeonc fellowship placement...i guess meaning their academic reputation...
how would you rank these programs? thanks in advance!!

georgetown
u maryland
thomas jefferson
BU
tufts
brown
dartmouth
U rochester
NYU

and if you have any west coast experiences, USC and UCLA harbor

Maybe something like:

Maryland
NYU
Dartmouth
USC = TJ = BU
Brown = Roch = Harbor
GT

 

[gutonc]

where does stanford fit in amongst the elite programs? 1 vs 1a?

1.2a- (sd +/-1.3b++)

 

[kunfu]

Maybe something like:

Maryland
NYU
Dartmouth
USC = TJ = BU
Brown = Roch = Harbor
GT

You know a ton more then me....but you really love Maryland. How does Maryland land above NYU and Dartmouth for academic reputation. Just curious because all 3 will be somewhere on my rank list. Would love to hear others chime in as well.

 

[kunfu]

Maybe something like:

Maryland
NYU
Dartmouth
USC = TJ = BU
Brown = Roch = Harbor
GT

You know a ton more then me....but you really love Maryland. How does Maryland land above NYU and Dartmouth for academic reputation? Just curious because all 3 will be somewhere on my rank list. Would love to hear others chime in as well.

 

[RonPaul]

So far Tuloane has been my favorite by far but how would you rank these- looking for one of the more competitive fellowships:

Tulane
U Wisconsin
U Rochester
UAB
Maryland
Baylor
Tex A&M
Emory
Dartmouth

Thanks!!

 

[adagio]

From what I gathered

Madison>= UAB
Emory
Baylor=Tulane

 

[infarct]

You know a ton more then me....but you really love Maryland. How does Maryland land above NYU and Dartmouth for academic reputation? Just curious because all 3 will be somewhere on my rank list. Would love to hear others chime in as well.

Honestly all the programs on your list are on the same level and you wont lose anything picking one over the other and you should base this decision on what your general impressions and feel are. Intelligent arguments could be made why any of these programs is better than the other. That being said:

The love for Maryland on this forum is overblown. It's most def a solid program, but I would put NYU and Dartmouth (if you can stand it's horrible location) above UMD in that order.

nyu
dart
umd
brown= bu= roch =jeff
gt sucks.

I know nothing about California

 

[jdh71]

You know a ton more then me....but you really love Maryland. How does Maryland land above NYU and Dartmouth for academic reputation. Just curious because all 3 will be somewhere on my rank list. Would love to hear others chime in as well.

How does it not?

Dartmouth is more of a diversity problem. Nice program. Nice area. I would have liked it there. Solid fellowship matches.

NYU I've never really been that impressed with. They've got really good fellowship placement. I don't like NYC. On a top 25 list, I don't think NYU makes the cut, but arguably think MD does.

MD has great inner city training (aka "diversity"). Plus access to the VA (I think this is important). Impressive fellowship placement. And I could deal with B-more.

You're gunna have to go with your gut. Opinions are like a-holes

 

[jdh71]

So far Tuloane has been my favorite by far but how would you rank these- looking for one of the more competitive fellowships:

Tulane
U Wisconsin
U Rochester
UAB
Maryland
Baylor
Tex A&M
Emory
Dartmouth

Thanks!!

Tulane has a very charasmatic PD as I understand it. I've been hearing really good things about the program, and I think it's headed up. Sounds like they are erally hustling, but with that said, I'd probably throw together a rank like this:

Wisconsin
Emory
UAB = Maryland
Dartmouth
Baylor
Tulane = Roch = A&M

 

[adagio]

Dartmouth is more of a diversity problem. Nice program. Nice area. I would have liked it there. Solid fellowship matches.

I am a zealot for Dartmouth. The educators there are simply top notch from all the sources that I have been in touch with in August (I was hoping for an interview)

Its true I didnt go there, but from what I have heard, this one should not be cancelled and should be ranked highly.

 

[infarct]

I am a zealot for Dartmouth. The educators there are simply top notch from all the sources that I have been in touch with in August (I was hoping for an interview)

Its true I didnt go there, but from what I have heard, this one should not be cancelled and should be ranked highly.

if you dont mind seeing the same patient 10000 times

 

[adagio]

this is not true. DHMC is a big referral center. People from all over new-england go there. come on!!

 

[kunfu]

Tulan's PD is very comes of as an awesome guy. The one thing that I really did not like was the hospital itself. Seemed very quite and tiny.

 

[RonPaul]

yeah I felt the exact same way

 

[choirboy]

Tulan's PD is very comes of as an awesome guy. The one thing that I really did not like was the hospital itself. Seemed very quite and tiny.

Tulane's facilities are fairly old, and University Hospital (the LSU hospital that is the "new Charity" while a new free hospital is being built) is worse. There will be a new VA and Free hospital built within the next few years, but they've just started construction, so don't hold your breath. That said, the PD and the residents are pretty awesome. The PD has a big national reputation, but the program doesn't have the rep of some of the other Southern programs of a similar caliber, and this is reflected in their fellowship match. Their residents, however, are as good as any I've seen. They are definitely a program on the rise.

 

[im4ever]

Please rank these according to academic reputation:

Wash U, BID, Vandy, UTSW, Baylor, Yale

interested in GI or cards...thanks

 

[DrVanNostran]

Can you guys rank: Maryland, Bayview, and Brown? I feel like they are all equal....

 

[KatLady4eva]

Tulane's also my number 1… hospital's a bit of a dump, actually I'd say the worst I've seen so far!! But it's interesting that despite that, they seem to attract great residents year after year. And let's be real, how can you justify choosing a res program based on the facility alone? For me and my personal goals, it comes down to this:

AMAZING PD- no question abt this
fastastic, innovative curriculum
tons of emphasis on how to be an effective teacher (great for me bc i wanna go into academics)
tons of patient AND resident diversity-- they were not only cool, but very different from one another, unlike some of the midwest schools I've visited-- residents were cool but huge % from midwest, which isn't bad but personally i want a little more diversity…
lots of emphasis on personal growth- sounds cheezy, but who's gonna practice "good" medicine when they are having the life sucked outta them 24/7?


Anyways, like everything else, it comes down to personal preference. I'm going back for a 2nd look, and maybe some of you should think about doing the same 🙂

 

[KatLady4eva]

BUT thought i should add this, for some perspective…
I've heard they are lacking strength in the subspecialty arena. Apparently they lost lots of subspecialists after katrina and are still trying to recover… Anyways, that for me is probably the major weakness of the program… but it's still my #1… so far...

 

[gold&black2005]

Please rank these according to academic reputation:

Wash U, BID, Vandy, UTSW, Baylor, Yale

interested in GI or cards...thanks

Pick any of these not named Baylor, rank it number one and then rank as you like with Baylor being last. The rest of em are all in the same range (great list!) by reputation. Without more detail, tough to rank then without putting our biases onto you.

 

[gold&black2005]

I am a zealot for Dartmouth. The educators there are simply top notch from all the sources that I have been in touch with in August (I was hoping for an interview)

Its true I didnt go there, but from what I have heard, this one should not be cancelled and should be ranked highly.

The faculty does seem good up there, but they're not exactly a huge referral center (except for NH/VT...boston, providence and new haven catch the vast majority of the region population-wise), the resident caliber seemed uneven (varying enthusiasm abt the program as well) and fellowship match was nothing to write home about. A special place given Dartmouth's strengths in policy, public service and bench research, undoubtedly, but DHMC is tough to rank above NYU, UMD, BU or even Brown.

 

[gold&black2005]

Bahahaha to the last line

How does it not?

Dartmouth is more of a diversity problem. Nice program. Nice area. I would have liked it there. Solid fellowship matches.

NYU I've never really been that impressed with. They've got really good fellowship placement. I don't like NYC. On a top 25 list, I don't think NYU makes the cut, but arguably think MD does.

MD has great inner city training (aka "diversity"). Plus access to the VA (I think this is important). Impressive fellowship placement. And I could deal with B-more.

You're gunna have to go with your gut. Opinions are like a-holes

 

[jdh71]

Please rank these according to academic reputation:

Wash U, BID, Vandy, UTSW, Baylor, Yale

interested in GI or cards...thanks

Vandy = WashU
UTSW
BID = Yale
Baylor

 

[jdh71]

Bahahaha to the last line

Well, it's that time of year when I have to start telling people that no matter what I think, or you think, or anyone thinks, or what you can find in UN&WR . . . people will have to rank according to their gut. It's just the nature of the beast. The "best" program on my rank list was sitting solidly in the #4 spot. 😀

 

[deleted128318]

Realizing that I'm having a harder time separating programs based on a one-day dog & pony show than I would have hoped. I'm headed into ID or Pulm/CC with the intent of pursuing academic medicine (clinical education, minimal research interest), so name recognition is important, but not the Word of God. I'm a non-traditional applicant that has an extensive background in public health, increasing access to care, and continue to have an interest in working with the underserved. With that said, I think Northwestern might be near the top of my list, so that too is flexible. Places that emphasize cultures of balance and mentorship tend to speak to me, but I recognize that this may all be lip service.

At the end of the day, the single most important thing to me is liking the people i work with, which has been difficult to assess as I met <5 people on some of these days. Looking to be in a group of outgoing people with interests outside of medicine (outdoors activities are a plus, which of course includes patio happy hours) that come out of the end of the tunnel really clinically competent.

Sorry to post a list so similar to Diastolic's, but here goes:

Northwestern
UWash
Michigan
Wisconsin
OHSU
UCLA
UCSD
UChicago
Colorado

 

[Deferoxamine]

Realizing that I'm having a harder time separating programs based on a one-day dog & pony show than I would have hoped. I'm headed into ID or Pulm/CC with the intent of pursuing academic medicine (clinical education, minimal research interest), so name recognition is important, but not the Word of God. I'm a non-traditional applicant that has an extensive background in public health, increasing access to care, and continue to have an interest in working with the underserved. With that said, I think Northwestern might be near the top of my list, so that too is flexible. Places that emphasize cultures of balance and mentorship tend to speak to me, but I recognize that this may all be lip service.

At the end of the day, the single most important thing to me is liking the people i work with, which has been difficult to assess as I met <5 people on some of these days. Looking to be in a group of outgoing people with interests outside of medicine (outdoors activities are a plus, which of course includes patio happy hours) that come out of the end of the tunnel really clinically competent.

Sorry to post a list so similar to Diastolic's, but here goes:

Northwestern
UWash
Michigan
Wisconsin
OHSU
UCLA
UCSD
UChicago
Colorado

This is a good list.

Michigan = UWash
UCLA = UChicago = Northwestern
Colorado = Wisconsin = OHSU = UCSD

Being outdoorish? Might spike UCSD and UCLA up a notch.

 

[adagio]

The "best" program on my rank list was sitting solidly in the #4 spot.

lool

 

[jdh71]

This is a good list.

Michigan = UWash
UCLA = UChicago = Northwestern
Colorado = Wisconsin = OHSU = UCSD

Being outdoorish? Might spike UCSD and UCLA up a notch.

I like this list.

Though for out-doors? I like OHSU and Colorado more. Decide how bad you need the beach .

 

[adagio]

California's eternal spring is the ultimate thing I have ever experienced!

However, this is residency, you will barely have time to do your laundry. Last thing on one's mind should be the beauty of the surroundings ... Its 3 years (with the first being the harshest) so we should suck it up and be marines here

 

[jdh71]

California's eternal spring is the ultimate thing I have ever experienced!

However, this is residency, you will barely have time to do your laundry. Last thing on one's mind should be the beauty of the surroundings ... Its 3 years (with the first being the harshest) so we should suck it up and be marines here

I like your attitude, but you'll have some free time. 😀

 

[adagio]

This job is different from any other job: mistakes can be fatal here. Training should be given the top priority. Its nice to live in a pleasant environment, but I would not just rank CCF for instance lower because C is not Laguna beach!! its unreasonable IMHO (to each her/his own priorities in life)

problem is (in regards to free time): its getting more and more competitive for people to secure their desired fields (in fellowship), the only thing I can see myself doing in the little free time that I have is listening to some Joe Pass while preparing excel sheets for prospective clinical research projects!!!! Otherwise, I can kiss fellowship goodbye.

Its a jungle out there -_-

 

[deleted128318]

This is a good list.

Michigan = UWash
UCLA = UChicago = Northwestern
Colorado = Wisconsin = OHSU = UCSD

Being outdoorish? Might spike UCSD and UCLA up a notch.

Very much appreciate the feedback. The Colorado/Wisconsin/OHSU/UCSD cohort is the group that I'm having the hardest time delineating, as I felt like they had similar things to offer. All seemed to draw from the same group of prospective residents, which seemed like a really collegial group. My tendency is to rank Colorado and Wisconsin above the other two, based on "gut," which, as I understand it, is probably consistent with their reputation.

...Its 3 years (with the first being the harshest) so we should suck it up and be marines here

This job is different from any other job: mistakes can be fatal here. Training should be given the top priority. Its nice to live in a pleasant environment, but I would not just rank CCF for instance lower because C is not Laguna beach!! its unreasonable IMHO (to each her/his own priorities in life)

problem is (in regards to free time): its getting more and more competitive for people to secure their desired fields (in fellowship), the only thing I can see myself doing in the little free time that I have is listening to some Joe Pass while preparing excel sheets for prospective clinical research projects!!!! Otherwise, I can kiss fellowship goodbye.

Its a jungle out there -_-

Precisely the resident sentiment I hope to avoid. Truly. I'm not of the opinion that residency represents the entirety of my learning, and as neither a med student nor a resident can I relate to the prerogative that running yourself into the ground is the path to success. I come from a family of docs that have set a terrible model of maintaining balance in their careers, and I've worked pretty hard to distance myself from that ethos as a med student. With that said, I'm not looking for the "easiest" residency, if there is such a thing given the parity among curricula with the new work hours. But I'm also ranking Duke last (not on the list above) because I truly don't want to be in what I perceived to be a culture that praises people for eating, sleeping, breathing medicine. I talked to a resident at UCLA that learned how to sail in the month before residency and was going to spend his upcoming vacation sailing down to Nicaragua and flying home. That impresses me more than landing a fellowship at a sexy place. To each their own- I'm just clear on what I want my path to look like.

 

[deleted128318]

I like this list.

Though for out-doors? I like OHSU and Colorado more. Decide how bad you need the beach .

Considering my interest in critical care, my understanding is Colorado and UCSD will give me better exposure to faculty with broader acclaim come fellowship applying time- does that seem right to you? I've heard less about the departments at Wisconsin and OHSU. Thanks.

 

[adagio]

Precisely the resident sentiment I hope to avoid. Truly. I'm not of the opinion that residency represents the entirety of my learning, and as neither a med student nor a resident can I relate to the prerogative that running yourself into the ground is the path to success. I come from a family of docs that have set a terrible model of maintaining balance in their careers, and I've worked pretty hard to distance myself from that ethos as a med student. With that said, I'm not looking for the "easiest" residency, if there is such a thing given the parity among curricula with the new work hours. But I'm also ranking Duke last (not on the list above) because I truly don't want to be in what I perceived to be a culture that praises people for eating, sleeping, breathing medicine. I talked to a resident at UCLA that learned how to sail in the month before residency and was going to spend his upcoming vacation sailing down to Nicaragua and flying home. That impresses me more than landing a fellowship at a sexy place. To each their own- I'm just clear on what I want my path to look like.

I totally agree with you! This is why I said the priorities in life can differ from one person to another! there is no real answer here.

But I also want to share my view: To be (one of the) best in any given task, ,lots of blood and sweat must be shed. A place like (duke) for instance might be a good dynamo to fuel one's energy sometimes!

Again, I have invested too darn much to reach this point, lots of issues for me are on stake, I simply cannot spare myself ... I will rest later ... But for now, Acing this residency is my number 1 priority.

Would this objective be possible while balancing other things outside of residency? Not really ... I dont believe it could. Reason is the competitive environment that has been created (unfortunately).

Landing a fellowship nowadays is an arduous task ... I didn't want it to be this way, I don't like it being this way, but it is what it is, and without a fellowship, I can say that I failed in accomplishing (one) of my main goals in my career.

 

[adagio]

The Dude abides

You should be bowling instead of sailing ... Dude ... 😀

 

[Giebenrath]

Precisely the resident sentiment I hope to avoid. Truly.

Just wanted to say you're the exact kind of guy I want to be co-residents with. I'm actually parsing through a very similar list - Colorado / Wisconsin / OHSU / UNC / Michigan, so I take it as a really positive sign that someone with your attitude is considering the same places.

My gut feelings for each of those places was really positive. I thought Michigan had a bit more of an "elite" flavor (sort of a negative for me personally) than the others.

Also was a bit concerned because I remember Colorado having a reputation in the past as a malignant program, although I didn't get that feeling in the slightest while I was there.

Definitely interested to hear more of your (or anyone's) thoughts.

 

[adagio]

I thought Michigan had a bit more of an "elite" flavor

I just want to clear things up: I am in no way talking about (elitism) in any way, shape, or form.

I am an average person, and it is because i am average that I have a conviction that I must work as double as anyone else to meet expectations.

Others might have to give 1/2 of the effort that I am investing in this process, and I was not fortunate enough to be one of them.

The system, unfortunately, pushes me in this direction, i sure would like to have more free time, but it is really really difficult from what I have been hearing!! I can only go through this training once, and this will determine whether the doors of my chosen career will open or not!! I cant just pretend otherwise just for the sake of sounding (cool).

It would be hypocritical to say that I am planning to secure this fellowship, and at the same time (balance) my residency and social life ... I am sorry, I am not that talented or smart to be able to do so

But who knows, I might start the training, and find it easier than what I have imagined, or that this vision has been hyped by reading forums, experiences, and listening to others. I dont know! It may very well be so.

 

[adagio]

One additional point:

I realize that (resident burn out) is a constant issue for programs, and the (aequanimitas) ethos is no longer the governing view of residency system

Burning-out is not an issue for me, I have been through hell and back during my life, three-years are really nothing in comparison.

The only thing that is pressuring me now is to know how exactly to perform well. Thats my only main concern

 

[deleted128318]

...
Again, I have invested too darn much to reach this point, lots of issues for me are on stake, I simply cannot spare myself ... I will rest later ... But for now, Acing this residency is my number 1 priority.

Would this objective be possible while balancing other things outside of residency? Not really ... I dont believe it could. Reason is the competitive environment that has been created (unfortunately).

Landing a fellowship nowadays is an arduous task ... I didn't want it to be this way, I don't like it being this way, but it is what it is, and without a fellowship, I can say that I failed in accomplishing (one) of my main goals in my career.

Best of luck to you. I just don't feel there is such a thing as "Acing" residency. We're not being graded anymore. But if we were- would being a "B" resident not get you a fellowship? I don't know where you are applying, but I have not yet talked to a resident who had to change his/her career goals because they did not match into a fellowship. Being at a tippy-toppy place in a competitive field- probably a different story. At the end of the day, it's my opinion that it's possible to be an outstanding resident without losing yourself in it. I didn't put life on hold during med school, and I know I won't do well in a place that expects me to do so during residency. That's just me.

 

[jdh71]

Considering my interest in critical care, my understanding is Colorado and UCSD will give me better exposure to faculty with broader acclaim come fellowship applying time- does that seem right to you? I've heard less about the departments at Wisconsin and OHSU. Thanks.

Both Wisconsin and OHSU have solid pulm/crit, but you would be correct. Colorado has the best pulmonary division in the country, and UCSD probably has the best pulmonary hypertension, maybe anywhere.

 

[adagio]

Best of luck to you. I just don't feel there is such a thing as "Acing" residency. We're not being graded anymore. But if we were- would being a "B" resident not get you a fellowship? I don't know where you are applying, but I have not yet talked to a resident who had to change his/her career goals because they did not match into a fellowship. Being at a tippy-toppy place in a competitive field- probably a different story. At the end of the day, it's my opinion that it's possible to be an outstanding resident without losing yourself in it. I didn't put life on hold during med school, and I know I won't do well in a place that expects me to do so during residency. That's just me.

And again, I wholeheartedly agree with you, and only disagree with one sentence:

but I have not yet talked to a resident who had to change his/her career goals because they did not match into a fellowship

Now, if this happened to me, it would be a very very big issue! Its an unacceptable scenario, i am yet to try getting accustomed to the idea that this (might) be a possibility.

 

[deleted128318]

Just wanted to say you're the exact kind of guy I want to be co-residents with. I'm actually parsing through a very similar list - Colorado / Wisconsin / OHSU / UNC / Michigan, so I take it as a really positive sign that someone with your attitude is considering the same places.

My gut feelings for each of those places was really positive. I thought Michigan had a bit more of an "elite" flavor (sort of a negative for me personally) than the others.

Also was a bit concerned because I remember Colorado having a reputation in the past as a malignant program, although I didn't get that feeling in the slightest while I was there.

Definitely interested to hear more of your (or anyone's) thoughts.

Cheers. I've heard the same about Colorado, but just truly saw nothing to support that in talking to the residents. They were, on the whole, the most enthusiastic advocates of their program of anywhere I have visited yet. There were 22 residents at my dinner and they seemed to relish the opportunity to talk it up. I was definitely impressed. Let me know how those programs shake out for you- they really have been hard for me to separate.

 

[deleted128318]

Both Wisconsin and OHSU have solid pulm/crit, but you would be correct. Colorado has the best pulmonary division in the country, and UCSD probably has the best pulmonary hypertension, maybe anywhere.

Solid. Thanks, jdh.

 

[jdh71]

Just wanted to say you're the exact kind of guy I want to be co-residents with. I'm actually parsing through a very similar list - Colorado / Wisconsin / OHSU / UNC / Michigan, so I take it as a really positive sign that someone with your attitude is considering the same places.

My gut feelings for each of those places was really positive. I thought Michigan had a bit more of an "elite" flavor (sort of a negative for me personally) than the others.

Also was a bit concerned because I remember Colorado having a reputation in the past as a malignant program, although I didn't get that feeling in the slightest while I was there.

Definitely interested to hear more of your (or anyone's) thoughts.

Colorado being "malignant" was the gossip a few years ago. I've not heard that sentiment in a while. Though, it is big, busy, and spread out. Sometimes people refer to a program as "malignant" when they really mean "busy" and should have probably picked a little less agressive program.

 

[Giebenrath]

Colorado being "malignant" was the gossip a few years ago. I've not heard that sentiment in a while. Though, it is big, busy, and spread out. Sometimes people refer to a program as "malignant" when they really mean "busy" and should have probably picked a little less agressive program.

Interesting. Well, if it is true then the residents (and the faculty) do an incredible job of hiding it. They all struck me as very personable and down-to-earth. But, still a useful thing to keep in mind over the next couple months.

 

[argencolts]

Hey all, I'm having trouble separating out these programs. Thoughts?

 

[adagio]

Iowa
Minnesota
Utah
Rush

maybe?

 

[RonPaul]

Tulane's also my number 1… hospital's a bit of a dump, actually I'd say the worst I've seen so far!! But it's interesting that despite that, they seem to attract great residents year after year. And let's be real, how can you justify choosing a res program based on the facility alone? For me and my personal goals, it comes down to this:

AMAZING PD- no question abt this
fastastic, innovative curriculum
tons of emphasis on how to be an effective teacher (great for me bc i wanna go into academics)
tons of patient AND resident diversity-- they were not only cool, but very different from one another, unlike some of the midwest schools I've visited-- residents were cool but huge % from midwest, which isn't bad but personally i want a little more diversity…
lots of emphasis on personal growth- sounds cheezy, but who's gonna practice "good" medicine when they are having the life sucked outta them 24/7?


Anyways, like everything else, it comes down to personal preference. I'm going back for a 2nd look, and maybe some of you should think about doing the same 🙂

I completely agree with you on this one. Aside from the hospital not being the biggest and most up to date, I loved the program. I thought the residents were top notch. So far I'm pretty sure this is my number one. I think I will take a 2nd look as well. 🙂