Official 2018/2019 "Help Me Rank" Megathread

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[gutonc]

Apparently it's time for this.

 

[winteriscominginapril]

Happy Holiday Season! Long time lurker as well here. I am a Non-US Need Visa IMG interested in Hem-Onc fellowship. I hope to do some research as an oncologist in the future.

Goal: Hem-Onc fellowship and opportunity for research

1. Cook County: Inhouse Hem-Onc fellowship, decent alumni placement for a community hospital, got rid of much scut work these years. Not easy to get away rotation.
2. Houston Methodist: Inhouse Hem-Onc fellowship, strong faculty members, alumni mostly matched in Texas. No away rotation.
3. Albert Einstein Philly: Inhouse Hem-Onc fellowship. Great alumni placement. Merging with Thomas Jefferson Univ (not sure good or bad)
4. St. Luke's–Roosevelt: Great alumni placement, opportunity to rotate at MSKCC.
5. Jacobi: They want to start their own inhouse Hem-Onc fellowship. Matched 1~2 residents to Monte Hem-Onc. Flexible research elective time. Electives can only be done at Monte.
6. Staten Island Univ Hospital/Northwell Health: Inhouse Hem-Onc fellowship. Not a lot of people doing away electives.
7. Univ of Hawaii: Supportive to take away electives or attend conference in mainland US.
8. Midtown campus/University of Maryland: Many rotations done at Main Campus. Very easy to get away electives at prestigious institutes.
9. Mount Sinai Queens: Good fellowship placement (1~2 go to SUNY Downstate Hem-Onc). Seems supportive to do research so long as you are proactive.
10. Danbury: Hiring full-time scholars to help the residents for their research. Electives at their affiliated hospitals. Not many people matched to Hem-Onc.
11. Saint Peter's/Rutgers RWJ: Not many people matched to Hem-Onc.

I have glanced through several old threads regarding some programs that invited me. In terms of overall strength, probably all program are similar on this list. I may move Jacobi up to the top since a few successful alumni are from my home country. I appreciate your input and expertise!

 

[jkstat]

Bump?

 

[crazylilazn]

Split between GI and Rheumatology ultimately for fellowship. Want to come back to California but if there is a strong reason not to I could be persuaded -

My #1 is Scripps Green, my #2 and #3 are split between Cedars-Sinai and UCLA-Olive View. I feel like I fit better with the residents at Olive View, but it's definitely a tougher call schedule.

These are the rest of my potential rankings in no particular order:
-UCLA Harbor
-Kaiser SF
-Kaiser LA
-Loma Linda
-Santa Clara Valley
-CPMC
-Kaiser Santa Clara
-Scripps Mercy
-UCSF Fresno
-U Arizona
-UT Houston
-Houston Methodist
-Cleveland Clinic
-Case Western
-Loyola
-UIChicago
-Montefiore
-Northwell/Zucker
-UNLV
-RobertWoodJohnson

Any comments on these? Any red flags, or is there something amazing about any of these places I should know about?

 

[IMed2GI]

Hi all, long time lurker. Trying to decide my rank list and would appreciate some help. My goal is cardiology and eventually private practice (don't really intend to stay in academics). I do prefer bigger cities and not small towns. What I got so far:
1) University of Illinois at Chicago (UIC)
2) Houston Methodist
3) Hofstra Lenox Hill
4) UC Northshore
4) Indiana University
5) Medical College of Wisconsin
5) University of Arizona at Tucson (main campus)
6) St. Louis University
7) Medical College of Georgia
8) UTMB
9) Cook County

Thanks!

I would say Indiana is your strongest program, and should definitely be ahead of UC northshore if your goal is cadiology. Other thank that I would probably also have MCW as 2-3

 

[gorbage]

Split between GI and Rheumatology ultimately for fellowship. Want to come back to California but if there is a strong reason not to I could be persuaded

Hey, we have a fair bit of overlap! Valley will probably be just above Olive View on my list, simply because it's my hometown hospital and it would be nice to be close to my family, but I really liked Olive View too. I get the impression that they work hard out there, but you're right that the residents seemed like a bunch of friendly, down to earth people.

Cedars has a good fellowship match, IIRC, but if you're cool to to stay in LA, I think OV is also pretty solid. The research opportunities at Cedars are probably a little better for GI? But honestly, when deciding between CS and OV, I'd probably think most about the population that you're working with. If you want to work with the county population, so if you're passionate about service of the underserved, etc, I'd go OV. If that doesn't interest you or if you're super concerned about the workload (or if you don't want to drive up to the valley every day, lol), go to Cedars. Idk! Still figuring all this out myself, lmao.

 

[crazylilazn]

Hey, we have a fair bit of overlap! Valley will probably be just above Olive View on my list, simply because it's my hometown hospital and it would be nice to be close to my family, but I really liked Olive View too. I get the impression that they work hard out there, but you're right that the residents seemed like a bunch of friendly, down to earth people.

Cedars has a good fellowship match, IIRC, but if you're cool to to stay in LA, I think OV is also pretty solid. The research opportunities at Cedars are probably a little better for GI? But honestly, when deciding between CS and OV, I'd probably think most about the population that you're working with. If you want to work with the county population, if you're passionate about service of the underserved, etc, I'd go OV. If that doesn't interest you or if you're super concerned about the workload (or if you don't want to drive up to the valley every day, lol), go to Cedars. Idk! Still figuring all this out myself, lmao.

I think Cedars and UCLA-OV each have their strengths, and a lot of that decision will come down to personal preferences. I'd personally go Cedars over OV, but here are the big differences and things to consider in picking between the two.
- If you want UCLA fellowships, OV will give you more of an opportunity to work with UCLA research staff, and almost all of the doctors at OV are affiliated with the Geffen SOM. There's people from OV who do research with UCLA researchers/do subspecialty rotations at Reagan for their electives.
- If you're interested in ICU/procedures, with OV you get some phenomenal clinical/procedural experience doing rotations at Reagan, specifically doing one month of MICU (admitting, cross covering 40 very sick patients, and being the top dog in the unit at night as an R2 w/o a fellow in house). Also the CCU. Cedars has a very fellow-driven ICU from what I've heard.
- Both programs have you working with a predominantly "county" population in their respective wards. OV gives you some more experience with "tertiary hospital" wards experience because you get some time doing gen med at Reagan.
- Cedars matches better nationwide, but OV matches well in SoCal.
- GI is very strong at Cedars in terms of research. Their rheum is mostly clinical from what I understand.
- Cedars you get to live in WeHo/Bev Hills/Hollywood, which definitely beats the valley....

Good luck.

Thanks you two I really appreciate it.

With regard to Cedars and their strength in GI, I'm just worried that many residents choose to go there for exactly that reason, making it paradoxically more competitive to do GI research/get acquainted with faculty.

I'm actually a fan of OV being in the valley - it's against traffic and I was thinking of living in Studio City/Glendale/Pasadena if I were to go there. WeHo traffic is just....lol.

I forgot to mention I'm a Bruin at heart so the opportunity to complete a UCLA-affiliated residency is a pretty strong draw for me.

Any comments on the other programs? Is CCF worth living in the midwest and not cali?

 

[AFNI_User]

I'll bite because I'm struggling with this. Not quite sure about what I want to do; thinking maybe Cards, Pulm/CC. Struggling with #2-8 after interviewing at them. Interested in academic style residency with typical Community, VA, and tertiary settings with enough research to get into fellowship.

1. UCSD: Incredible.
2. Georgetown: Crappy hospital in expensive city but gelled well with the faculty, residents I met more than any other program. Strong match list.
3. Miami/Jackson Memorial: Huge hospital system with nice 4+1 scheduling and impressive fellowship match, research support. Miami seems like the NYC of the south.
4. Cinci: Long block seems cush, and PD seems to be very engaged. Comparable match list to similar mid-tiers.
5. Wake Forest: Huge hospital without VA/community hospital. Decent match list. Cush scheduling with cheap COL. Felt this place is only let down by its location.
6. George Washington: Good location with high pay. Seems like a community hospital with an academic reputation.
7. Loyola: In boonies of Chicago but has comparable match list to Rush, UIC. Doesn't seem as malignant as reputation portrays it. Very chill faculty. High pay.
8. MUSC: Similiar to Wake except has its own VA. Impressive institution but match list is worst, and Charleston isn't for everyone.
9. USF
10. Scripps Green
11. MCW
12. Louisville
13. Carolinas
14. Einstein Philly

 

[gorbage]

Okay, my turn to write up a list!

Very strongly considering a palliative care fellowship, +/- oncology, depending on how tired I am at the end of residency, lol. My biggest challenge has been weighing my desire to "serve the underserved" with my more selfish love of academia; county programs appeal with respect to the former, while university programs appeal to the latter. Basically, I'm a sucker and a huge nerd, lmao.

I know these things are fickle, but I would appreciate guidance on which programs would open the most doors. Ex: GWU vs. Georgetown's main hospital? Are they basically the same in terms of reputation? I have a poor sense of "ranking" and literally no advisor to help.

I've listed these programs by region, rather than in any sort of order of preference. I'm only 60% done with my interviews.

1. University of Hawaii
2. Mayo AZ
3. UCLA Olive View
4. Santa Clara Valley Medical Center
5. OHSU
6. University of Washington <-- My #1 so far. Really got on great with the residents and co-applicants, actually had fun during the dinner. Everyone was so passionate and knowledgable. Felt like I was amongst people who wouldn't laugh at me for getting excited about cool studies or being moved by a patient encounter.
7. Mount Auburn
8. Montefiore
9. Mount Sinai SLR
10. Pennsylvania Hospital
11. Cleveland Clinic
12. George Washington
13. Georgetown
14. Virginia Commonwealth University

 

[IMed2GI]

Okay, my turn to write up a list!

Very strongly considering a palliative care fellowship, +/- oncology, depending on how tired I am at the end of residency, lol. My biggest challenge has been weighing my desire to "serve the underserved" with my more selfish love of academia; county programs appeal with respect to the former, while university programs appeal to the latter. Basically, I'm a sucker and a huge nerd, lmao.

I know these things are fickle, but I would appreciate guidance on which programs would open the most doors. Ex: GWU vs. Georgetown's main hospital? Are they basically the same in terms of reputation? I have a poor sense of "ranking" and literally no advisor to help.

I've listed these programs by region, rather than in any sort of order of preference. I'm only 60% done with my interviews.

1. University of Hawaii
2. Mayo AZ
3. UCLA Olive View
4. Santa Clara Valley Medical Center
5. OHSU
6. University of Washington <-- My #1 so far. Really got on great with the residents and co-applicants, actually had fun during the dinner. Everyone was so passionate and knowledgable. Felt like I was amongst people who wouldn't laugh at me for getting excited about cool studies or being moved by a patient encounter.
7. Mount Auburn
8. Montefiore
9. Mount Sinai SLR
10. Pennsylvania Hospital
11. Cleveland Clinic
12. George Washington
13. Georgetown
14. Virginia Commonwealth University

Not trying to be rude, but I would come back after you've finished interviewing with a list in your preference to get the most out of this thread

 

[stbighouse1]

Here another one goes. From the midwest. AMG. Have family in both Midwest and Norcal/Socal.

My most important factors in looking for a residency in descending order:
1.) Residency that has a good track record of placing their residents into competitive sub-specialties in Cards or Pulm/Crit Care at academic centers.
2.) Somewhere I'll be able to enjoy my life outside of residency. Place with a vibrant sports, music, and dating (!) scene. Relative low COL would also be helpful
3.) X+Y and/or no/little 24 hr call.
4.) Non-malignant program where residents are happy but has rigorous training where If I decide not to become a specialist, I will be a competent internist.
5.) Location that has opportunity for health policy related activities (looking at you GWU!).

My 1-3 are pretty separate from the rest.
1. CWRU
2. Rush
3. OSU

4. UCLA Harbor
5. GWU
6. Scripps Green
7. IU
8. Brown
9. Cincinnati
10. UA-Tuscon
11. Mayo AZ
12. Kaiser Oakland
13. Beaumont
14. Henry Ford

 

[gorbage]

Not trying to be rude, but I would come back after you've finished interviewing with a list in your preference to get the most out of this thread

That's fair! I was hoping to get the "objective" bit from you guys, but I may be better served forming an opinion on each program and then coming back.

 

[whoknows2012]

Okay, my turn to write up a list!

Very strongly considering a palliative care fellowship, +/- oncology, depending on how tired I am at the end of residency, lol. My biggest challenge has been weighing my desire to "serve the underserved" with my more selfish love of academia; county programs appeal with respect to the former, while university programs appeal to the latter. Basically, I'm a sucker and a huge nerd, lmao.

I know these things are fickle, but I would appreciate guidance on which programs would open the most doors. Ex: GWU vs. Georgetown's main hospital? Are they basically the same in terms of reputation? I have a poor sense of "ranking" and literally no advisor to help.

I've listed these programs by region, rather than in any sort of order of preference. I'm only 60% done with my interviews.

1. University of Hawaii
2. Mayo AZ
3. UCLA Olive View
4. Santa Clara Valley Medical Center
5. OHSU
6. University of Washington <-- My #1 so far. Really got on great with the residents and co-applicants, actually had fun during the dinner. Everyone was so passionate and knowledgable. Felt like I was amongst people who wouldn't laugh at me for getting excited about cool studies or being moved by a patient encounter.
7. Mount Auburn
8. Montefiore
9. Mount Sinai SLR
10. Pennsylvania Hospital
11. Cleveland Clinic
12. George Washington
13. Georgetown
14. Virginia Commonwealth University

For me it would be;

1) u wash
2) ohsu
3) monte
4) Georgetown
5) Cleveland clinic
6) GWU/vcu/olive view (in any order, I think depending on geographic preference)

The rest...

Don’t be swayed by the “mayo” in mayo az all of your university/academic programs are more reputable than that

 

[MyTachyBradyHeart]

I'll bite because I'm struggling with this. Not quite sure about what I want to do; thinking maybe Cards, Pulm/CC. Struggling with #2-8 after interviewing at them. Interested in academic style residency with typical Community, VA, and tertiary settings with enough research to get into fellowship.

1. UCSD: Incredible.
2. Georgetown: Crappy hospital in expensive city but gelled well with the faculty, residents I met more than any other program. Strong match list.
3. Miami/Jackson Memorial: Huge hospital system with nice 4+1 scheduling and impressive fellowship match, research support. Miami seems like the NYC of the south.
4. Cinci: Long block seems cush, and PD seems to be very engaged. Comparable match list to similar mid-tiers.
5. Wake Forest: Huge hospital without VA/community hospital. Decent match list. Cush scheduling with cheap COL. Felt this place is only let down by its location.
6. George Washington: Good location with high pay. Seems like a community hospital with an academic reputation.
7. Loyola: In boonies of Chicago but has comparable match list to Rush, UIC. Doesn't seem as malignant as reputation portrays it. Very chill faculty. High pay.
8. MUSC: Similiar to Wake except has its own VA. Impressive institution but match list is worst, and Charleston isn't for everyone.
9. USF
10. Scripps Green
11. MCW
12. Louisville
13. Carolinas
14. Einstein Philly

Your list is reasonable. UCSD>>all the other programs. Personally, I was not impressed by Georgetown on my IM interview day and would rank Miami higher but you should always rank according to your gut feeling.

Okay, my turn to write up a list!

Very strongly considering a palliative care fellowship, +/- oncology, depending on how tired I am at the end of residency, lol. My biggest challenge has been weighing my desire to "serve the underserved" with my more selfish love of academia; county programs appeal with respect to the former, while university programs appeal to the latter. Basically, I'm a sucker and a huge nerd, lmao.

I know these things are fickle, but I would appreciate guidance on which programs would open the most doors. Ex: GWU vs. Georgetown's main hospital? Are they basically the same in terms of reputation? I have a poor sense of "ranking" and literally no advisor to help.

I've listed these programs by region, rather than in any sort of order of preference. I'm only 60% done with my interviews.

1. University of Hawaii
2. Mayo AZ
3. UCLA Olive View
4. Santa Clara Valley Medical Center
5. OHSU
6. University of Washington <-- My #1 so far. Really got on great with the residents and co-applicants, actually had fun during the dinner. Everyone was so passionate and knowledgable. Felt like I was amongst people who wouldn't laugh at me for getting excited about cool studies or being moved by a patient encounter.
7. Mount Auburn
8. Montefiore
9. Mount Sinai SLR
10. Pennsylvania Hospital
11. Cleveland Clinic
12. George Washington
13. Georgetown
14. Virginia Commonwealth University

For me it would be;

1) u wash
2) ohsu
3) monte
4) Georgetown
5) Cleveland clinic
6) GWU/vcu/olive view (in any order, I think depending on geographic preference)

The rest...

Don’t be swayed by the “mayo” in mayo az all of your university/academic programs are more reputable than that

UWash/OHSU/Monte >>> all the other programs. I would go with UWash, Monte, OHSU in that order although if you like the Pacific Northwest, OHSU should be ranked higher than Monte. Personally, I don't think Georgetown > CCF/VCU/Olive and I think fit and location should be the tie breaker between those programs.

Here another one goes. From the midwest. AMG. Have family in both Midwest and Norcal/Socal.

My most important factors in looking for a residency in descending order:
1.) Residency that has a good track record of placing their residents into competitive sub-specialties in Cards or Pulm/Crit Care at academic centers.
2.) Somewhere I'll be able to enjoy my life outside of residency. Place with a vibrant sports, music, and dating (!) scene. Relative low COL would also be helpful
3.) X+Y and/or no/little 24 hr call.
4.) Non-malignant program where residents are happy but has rigorous training where If I decide not to become a specialist, I will be a competent internist.
5.) Location that has opportunity for health policy related activities (looking at you GWU!).

My 1-3 are pretty separate from the rest.
1. CWRU
2. Rush
3. OSU

4. UCLA Harbor
5. GWU
6. Scripps Green
7. IU
8. Brown
9. Cincinnati
10. UA-Tuscon
11. Mayo AZ
12. Kaiser Oakland
13. Beaumont
14. Henry Ford

List seems reasonable. I don't know if Cleveland has the most vibrant dating scene but CWRU is very solid with a good match list. If you are more set on cards, then Indiana should be a little bit higher.

 

[Shams al Deen]

I'm interested in cardiology. My first choice is a no-brainer for me. But I'm curious if my 3-5 ranked programs would lower my chances of cards fellowship compared to the rest of my list. Are my 6-12 ranked programs significantly better than those AZ programs? From what I gather, the programs I have in the 6-12 spots are all solid mid-tier programs (UAB maybe a step above), whereas the AZ programs (3-5) maybe considered lower tier university programs. AZ happens to be a geographic preference, but I'm ok with living elsewhere for 3 years.

Side note: I had board scores of 257/269 coming from a well-reputed US MD school...I am shocked how competitive it is at the top of IM. Getting top interviews is really not about step scores, trust me. I know a lot of people scoring in the 230s that got a bunch of top tier interviews.

1) UTSW
2) UVA
3) U Arizona Tucson
4) Mayo AZ
5) U Arizona Phx
6) Wisconsin
7) UAB
8) UF
9) OSU
10) Indiana
11) Minnesota
12) UMD

 

[MyTachyBradyHeart]

I'm interested in cardiology. My first choice is a no-brainer for me. But I'm curious if my 3-5 ranked programs would lower my chances of cards fellowship compared to the rest of my list. Are my 6-12 ranked programs significantly better than those AZ programs? From what I gather, the programs I have in the 6-12 spots are all solid mid-tier programs (UAB maybe a step above), whereas the AZ programs (3-5) maybe considered lower tier university programs. AZ happens to be a geographic preference, but I'm ok with living elsewhere for 3 years.

Side note: I had board scores of 257/269 coming from a well-reputed US MD school...I am shocked how competitive it is at the top of IM. Getting top interviews is really not about step scores, trust me. I know a lot of people scoring in the 230s that got a bunch of top tier interviews.

1) UTSW
2) UVA
3) U Arizona Tucson
4) Mayo AZ
5) U Arizona Phx
6) Wisconsin
7) UAB
8) UF
9) OSU
10) Indiana
11) Minnesota
12) UMD

I'm sure you have your reasons to be in AZ, but yes some of the programs 6-12 will position you much better for cardiology. In fact, some of them will position you better even than UVA (I agree UTSW should be far away your #1 unless you didn't get a good vibe there).

However, there is more to IM residency than just getting a cardiology fellowship spot. You should want to be at said institution (location is very important), enjoy the culture/co-residents, and learn clinical medicine. If you are happy and productive in AZ, get research done, and develop strong mentors, then you'll be fine come fellowship application time.

 

[Shams al Deen]

I'm sure you have your reasons to be in AZ, but yes some of the programs 6-12 will position you much better for cardiology. In fact, some of them will position you better even than UVA (I agree UTSW should be far away your #1 unless you didn't get a good vibe there).

However, there is more to IM residency than just getting a cardiology fellowship spot. You should want to be at said institution (location is very important), enjoy the culture/co-residents, and learn clinical medicine. If you are happy and productive in AZ, get research done, and develop strong mentors, then you'll be fine come fellowship application time.

I appreciate the input. Now if I were to hypothetically take out the AZ programs, how would you order the programs solely in terms of getting me in the best position for cards fellowship. Not that I'd rank it exactly like that necessarily, but I'm interested in which of the programs you think are the best for an aspiring cardiologist. We both have UTSW on top. Who would you put 2-9?

 

[TaroBubbleTea]

Potentially interested in Rheum and allergy/immunology, but would like to keep the possibility of cards/GI/heme-onc open in case things change. Location wise, Chicago and NY/NJ are my preferences. I'm certain about #1 and #2, but need help with the rest.

1) Northwestern
2) UPMC
3/4/5) Rutgers RWJ vs Rush vs University of Illinois-Chicago
6) UWisconsin
7) Hofstra Northwell
8) Montefiore
9) Loyola
10/11) OSU vs Indy
12) Stony Brook
13) Iowa
14) Medical College of Wisconsin

I'm kind of torn about placing Rutgers so high since my impression is that reputation wise, it's not as good as some of the other midtiers on my list, but I was surprised at how much I enjoyed the interview day. Appreciate any input!

 

[whoknows2012]

Potentially interested in Rheum and allergy/immunology, but would like to keep the possibility of cards/GI/heme-onc open in case things change. Location wise, Chicago and NY/NJ are my preferences. I'm certain about #1 and #2, but need help with the rest.

1) Northwestern
2) UPMC
3/4/5) Rutgers RWJ vs Rush vs University of Illinois-Chicago
6) UWisconsin
7) Hofstra Northwell
8) Montefiore
9) Loyola
10/11) OSU vs Indy
12) Stony Brook
13) Iowa
14) Medical College of Wisconsin

I'm kind of torn about placing Rutgers so high since my impression is that reputation wise, it's not as good as some of the other midtiers on my list, but I was surprised at how much I enjoyed the interview day. Appreciate any input!

I would not rank Rwj so high based on reputation alone. If you loved the interview and could see yourself happy there definitely go ahead but living in suburban New Jersey may or may not be your thing.

I can offer the northeast centric point of view. Monte>>rwj>nslij=stony brook by reputation (training and fellowship options, etc)

Osu/Iowa/indy all great programs but you obviously want to be in Chicago so reasonable to rank these lower.

 

[Anicetus]

Split between GI and Rheumatology ultimately for fellowship. Want to come back to California but if there is a strong reason not to I could be persuaded -

My #1 is Scripps Green, my #2 and #3 are split between Cedars-Sinai and UCLA-Olive View. I feel like I fit better with the residents at Olive View, but it's definitely a tougher call schedule.

These are the rest of my potential rankings in no particular order:
-UCLA Harbor
-Kaiser SF
-Kaiser LA
-Loma Linda
-Santa Clara Valley
-CPMC
-Kaiser Santa Clara
-Scripps Mercy
-UCSF Fresno
-U Arizona
-UT Houston
-Houston Methodist
-Cleveland Clinic
-Case Western
-Loyola
-UIChicago
-Montefiore
-Northwell/Zucker
-UNLV
-RobertWoodJohnson

Any comments on these? Any red flags, or is there something amazing about any of these places I should know about?

If you are really very serious about getting GI, that is the strong reason you could be persuaded from going back to Cali so soon. Cedars is reasonable for GI, but Cleveland clinic, montefiore and the other academics are all better choices than scripps green for GI. Scripps is a community hospital that no programs outside of California really know about and would not be a good choice if you are serious about GI. The rule of thumb is to go with the university hospitals first (cedars being an exception) then community if you really want to do GI. It’s incredibly competitive as I have seen from this year’s match.

For OV vs cedars, go with cedars. OV has only matched in CA because that’s really the only choice they will have or bust. Cedars has a more national reputation than OV.

You’re going to ultimately have to decide how badly you want GI vs how badly you want to live in California for the next 3 years. You can always go back to CA, but GI may be an opportunity that may not come back.

If you want GI or bust:

CCF
Montefiore
Cedars
The rest of the university based hospitals
University “affiliated” hospitals (including OV)
Community ones.

If you just want California and really aren’t sure, then stick with any order of the California ones

 

[TaroBubbleTea]

I would not rank Rwj so high based on reputation alone. If you loved the interview and could see yourself happy there definitely go ahead but living in suburban New Jersey may or may not be your thing.

I can offer the northeast centric point of view. Monte>>rwj>nslij=stony brook by reputation (training and fellowship options, etc)

Osu/Iowa/indy all great programs but you obviously want to be in Chicago so reasonable to rank these lower.

Also should have mentioned that RWJ is close to home, and being from suburbia mysef I'm used to that environment but I totally agree with you about the reputation. I'm probably going to place it below the Chicago programs after everything is said and done.


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[Dwan]

If you are really very serious about getting GI, that is the strong reason you could be persuaded from going back to Cali so soon. Cedars is reasonable for GI, but Cleveland clinic, montefiore and the other academics are all better choices than scripps green for GI. Scripps is a community hospital that no programs outside of California really know about and would not be a good choice if you are serious about GI. The rule of thumb is to go with the university hospitals first (cedars being an exception) then community if you really want to do GI. It’s incredibly competitive as I have seen from this year’s match.

For OV vs cedars, go with cedars. OV has only matched in CA because that’s really the only choice they will have or bust. Cedars has a more national reputation than OV.

You’re going to ultimately have to decide how badly you want GI vs how badly you want to live in California for the next 3 years. You can always go back to CA, but GI may be an opportunity that may not come back.

If you want GI or bust:

CCF
Montefiore
Cedars
The rest of the university based hospitals
University “affiliated” hospitals (including OV)
Community ones.

If you just want California and really aren’t sure, then stick with any order of the California ones

One thing to keep in mind though is that Scripps has a good GI home program that residents regularly match into pretty easily. Cedars has the higher potential with excellent outside matches and a national reputation, but they very rarely take from their own (confirmed by residents there). But yeah, the national reputation for Scripps isn't very high, so it'll depend on whether someone is willing to stay there for 6 years (which could be a great thing!).

 

[crazylilazn]

If you are really very serious about getting GI, that is the strong reason you could be persuaded from going back to Cali so soon. Cedars is reasonable for GI, but Cleveland clinic, montefiore and the other academics are all better choices than scripps green for GI. Scripps is a community hospital that no programs outside of California really know about and would not be a good choice if you are serious about GI. The rule of thumb is to go with the university hospitals first (cedars being an exception) then community if you really want to do GI. It’s incredibly competitive as I have seen from this year’s match.

For OV vs cedars, go with cedars. OV has only matched in CA because that’s really the only choice they will have or bust. Cedars has a more national reputation than OV.

You’re going to ultimately have to decide how badly you want GI vs how badly you want to live in California for the next 3 years. You can always go back to CA, but GI may be an opportunity that may not come back.

If you want GI or bust:

CCF
Montefiore
Cedars
The rest of the university based hospitals
University “affiliated” hospitals (including OV)
Community ones.

If you just want California and really aren’t sure, then stick with any order of the California ones

One thing to keep in mind though is that Scripps has a good GI home program that residents regularly match into pretty easily. Cedars has the higher potential with excellent outside matches and a national reputation, but they very rarely take from their own (confirmed by residents there). But yeah, the national reputation for Scripps isn't very high, so it'll depend on whether someone is willing to stay there for 6 years (which could be a great thing!).

With regard to ranking OV/Harbor/Scripps the way I did - I was thinking I'd try to match a fellowship within the California area ultimately. Other university progs like the chicago/tx/az ones generally match within their own states.

In addition, the worry I have with Cedars is exactly what you mentioned Dwan. They're so competitive and all the residents want to do GI, so it ends up becoming very difficult to stay at Cedars for GI fellowship. With Scripps, the goal would be to stay on for the 6 years

Thanks for the advice though, it's definitely a tough decision to think about at this point...

 

[crazylilazn]

If you are really very serious about getting GI, that is the strong reason you could be persuaded from going back to Cali so soon. Cedars is reasonable for GI, but Cleveland clinic, montefiore and the other academics are all better choices than scripps green for GI. Scripps is a community hospital that no programs outside of California really know about and would not be a good choice if you are serious about GI. The rule of thumb is to go with the university hospitals first (cedars being an exception) then community if you really want to do GI. It’s incredibly competitive as I have seen from this year’s match.

For OV vs cedars, go with cedars. OV has only matched in CA because that’s really the only choice they will have or bust. Cedars has a more national reputation than OV.

You’re going to ultimately have to decide how badly you want GI vs how badly you want to live in California for the next 3 years. You can always go back to CA, but GI may be an opportunity that may not come back.

If you want GI or bust:

CCF
Montefiore
Cedars
The rest of the university based hospitals
University “affiliated” hospitals (including OV)
Community ones.

If you just want California and really aren’t sure, then stick with any order of the California ones

One thing to keep in mind though is that Scripps has a good GI home program that residents regularly match into pretty easily. Cedars has the higher potential with excellent outside matches and a national reputation, but they very rarely take from their own (confirmed by residents there). But yeah, the national reputation for Scripps isn't very high, so it'll depend on whether someone is willing to stay there for 6 years (which could be a great thing!).

To follow-up on Scripps reputation, do they really not have any sort of national reputation at all? I was under the impression they were at least heard of, and well regarded by some outside of Cali.

 

[Anicetus]

One thing to keep in mind though is that Scripps has a good GI home program that residents regularly match into pretty easily. Cedars has the higher potential with excellent outside matches and a national reputation, but they very rarely take from their own (confirmed by residents there). But yeah, the national reputation for Scripps isn't very high, so it'll depend on whether someone is willing to stay there for 6 years (which could be a great thing!).

So it looks like this but when I asked them at the interview last year (at the APD house for the dinner), it still is a struggle for GI especially if like 4 interns come in wanting GI, only one of them may get the in house spot. Additionally, they will still take usc and harbor-UCLA grad school over their in house so I wouldn’t call it “easily”. GI has been getting much more competitiveness over these last several years and simply being at a university based hospital gives you enough brownie points and relieves some headaches.

 

[Anicetus]

With regard to ranking OV/Harbor/Scripps the way I did - I was thinking I'd try to match a fellowship within the California area ultimately. Other university progs like the chicago/tx/az ones generally match within their own states.

In addition, the worry I have with Cedars is exactly what you mentioned Dwan. They're so competitive and all the residents want to do GI, so it ends up becoming very difficult to stay at Cedars for GI fellowship. With Scripps, the goal would be to stay on for the 6 years

Thanks for the advice though, it's definitely a tough decision to think about at this point...

I was in your shoes last year. I loved scripps but ultimately wanted GI and after meeting with enough people it was best for me to put university places above scripps because it simply doesn’t haven the reputation outside of SoCal if you care more about your end career than spending 3 years (albeit busy) in SoCal. Don’t assume its a 6 year gig for GI if you match there for IM. Lots of people make that wrong assumption when thinking they will be then one ultimately getting the one spot for the fellowship at their community program. Last year the guy who matched there in house is the Research/combined IM guy who published a ****ton. While they may know their own residents, if there are desperate competitive applicants from the university hospitals applying to scripps green GI, they wont turn them down unless their in house applicant is a complete rockstar and legitimately better than all of those applicants.

Just remember GI or not, you can ALWAYS come back to California no matter what after training.

 

[Dwan]

So it looks like this but when I asked them at the interview last year (at the APD house for the dinner), it still is a struggle for GI especially if like 4 interns come in wanting GI, only one of them may get the in house spot. Additionally, they will still take usc and harbor-UCLA grad school over their in house so I wouldn’t call it “easily”. GI has been getting much more competitiveness over these last several years and simply being at a university based hospital gives you enough brownie points and relieves some headaches.

They said in the past few years, everyone who wanted fellowship from Scripps got it except for 2 who did the couples match. It's a smaller class and not everyone wants GI or even fellowships, so the number count won't look as crazy as large universities. GI is fairly competitive, but the match rate is >80% for USMDs and having an in-house program with good research opportunities goes a long way towards that. Also, fyi I'm from an institution that states they heavily prioritize university over community for competitive fellowships, but they say Scripps and Cedars are exceptions.

Note that I'm not saying odds aren't stronger at places like CCF, but if the difference is 90% vs 85% match rate to GI, I'm not sure the decision is that easy (if someone really doesn't want to be in Cleveland, loses the support of family/friends etc). Especially since the solid mid-tier level places I interviewed at admitted their reputation was largely regional, as that is where they send most their residents.

 

[crazylilazn]

They said in the past few years, everyone who wanted fellowship from Scripps got it except for 2 who did the couples match. It's a smaller class and not everyone wants GI or even fellowships, so the number count won't look as crazy as large universities. GI is fairly competitive, but the match rate is >80% for USMDs and having an in-house program with good research opportunities goes a long way towards that. Also, fyi I'm from an institution that states they heavily prioritize university over community for competitive fellowships, but they say Scripps and Cedars are exceptions.

Note that I'm not saying odds aren't stronger at places like CCF, but if the difference is 90% vs 85% match rate to GI, I'm not sure the decision is that easy (if someone really doesn't want to be in Cleveland, loses the support of family/friends etc). Especially since the solid mid-tier level places I interviewed at admitted their reputation was largely regional, as that is where they send most their residents.

Just wondering, is your institution in California?

 

[Peraluna]

Hi... really struggling to formulate my rank list and would appreciate any help.

• Non US IMG from Scotland, UK with the hope to pursue fellowship in Gastro or Cardio.
• Ideally, would like a H1 Visa and have marked these programs with an asterisk but willing to choose a J1 program if it's spectacular and would help me to get into fellowship

I don't really mind about location. I want the most reputable program with strong rigorous training and with the best chances to match into fellowship, which is ultimately my only real priority. I am really confused with how to figure out middle tier/low tier etc and feel like I'm making rookie mistakes of seeing the "big names" just tied on to the end of basic community programs...

Of the ones I have interviewed at already, I see myself happy in them all and they seem pretty much similar to each other so I have not got any closer to figuring this out.....so really would love any help!

1. Mount Auburn Harvard*
2. Case Western MetroHealth*
3. Lankenau Medical Centre*
4. Presence Saint Josephs* - Chicago
5. St Luke ICAHN Roosevelt*
6. Albany Medical College
7. UConn Farmington
8. Chicago Medical School/Rosalind Franklin Centegra
9. Florida Atlantic University Charles Schmidt
10. UConn New Britain
11. Allegheny
12. Advocate Illinois Maisonic
13. Westchester*
14. Rochester Unity Hospital*
15. Rochester General Hospital*
16. St Elizabeth Youngstown
17. Fairview Hospital - Cleveland Clinic*
18. Marshfield Clinic
19. Conemaugh Medical Center
20. Chicago Medical School/Captain James Lovell (VA hospital)

Thanks a lot guys, really appreciate it!

 

[whoknows2012]

Hi... really struggling to formulate my rank list and would appreciate any help.

• Non US IMG from Scotland, UK with the hope to pursue fellowship in Gastro or Cardio.
• Ideally, would like a H1 Visa and have marked these programs with an asterisk but willing to choose a J1 program if it's spectacular and would help me to get into fellowship

I don't really mind about location. I want the most reputable program with strong rigorous training and with the best chances to match into fellowship, which is ultimately my only real priority. I am really confused with how to figure out middle tier/low tier etc and feel like I'm making rookie mistakes of seeing the "big names" just tied on to the end of basic community programs...

Of the ones I have interviewed at already, I see myself happy in them all and they seem pretty much similar to each other so I have not got any closer to figuring this out.....so really would love any help!

1. Mount Auburn Harvard*
2. Case Western MetroHealth*
3. Lankenau Medical Centre*
4. Presence Saint Josephs* - Chicago
5. St Luke ICAHN Roosevelt*
6. Albany Medical College
7. UConn Farmington
8. Chicago Medical School/Rosalind Franklin Centegra
9. Florida Atlantic University Charles Schmidt
10. UConn New Britain
11. Allegheny
12. Advocate Illinois Maisonic
13. Westchester*
14. Rochester Unity Hospital*
15. Rochester General Hospital*
16. St Elizabeth Youngstown
17. Fairview Hospital - Cleveland Clinic*
18. Marshfield Clinic
19. Conemaugh Medical Center
20. Chicago Medical School/Captain James Lovell (VA hospital)

Thanks a lot guys, really appreciate it!

Without going into too much detail on uout list SLR (Sinai West) is among the top programs on your list would rank it very highly (maybe number 1/2?)

 

[Peraluna]

Without going into too much detail on uout list SLR (Sinai West) is among the top programs on your list would rank it very highly (maybe number 1/2?)

Thank you! I really appreciate it. Do you have any knowledge on Mount Auburn?

 

[lulu09]

Thank you! I really appreciate it. Do you have any knowledge on Mount Auburn?

I interviewed at Mount Auburn for residency 3 years ago. Not sure what has changed but when I was there a lot of the residents do research at BIDMC and get publications that way. It is mostly a FMG program. I didn't think there were any major downsides other than that it is very much of a community hospital (and also very small). Many residents did their specialty electives at BIDMC. I think residents who were able to publish extensively and work their outside connections did fine for fellowship.

 

[Peraluna]

Thanks Lulu, that's very useful to know and I experienced a similar community feel about the program too. I guess being a foreigner, to me the Harvard name is having an impact however from what you are saying and the little bit of experience I've gained on the interview trail it seems that this is not worth much in the grand scheme of things....am I correct to come to this conclusion? Do you mind me asking why you decided to not go to Mount Auburn?

I interviewed at Mount Auburn for residency 3 years ago. Not sure what has changed but when I was there a lot of the residents do research at BIDMC and get publications that way. It is mostly a FMG program. I didn't think there were any major downsides other than that it is very much of a community hospital (and also very small). Many residents did their specialty electives at BIDMC. I think residents who were able to publish extensively and work their outside connections did fine for fellowship.

 

[Onewhen]

I have followed these threads for 3 years...it's time for me to post my question. How would you guys rank the following programs?
Albany Medical Center -St. Luke's Roosevelt/Mount Sinai West - Lahey Clinic - Drexel

Thank You

 

[lifeofpi1]

Im also looking for some input. Im a visa requiring IMG interested in hem/onc and GI. No preference for H1 or J1. Strength of program for fellowship match would be a priority. Thank you.

1-2. UConn vs. University of Kansas
3-5. Rochester General Hospital vs. Englewood Hospital vs. MetroWest Medical Center

 

[lulu09]

Thanks Lulu, that's very useful to know and I experienced a similar community feel about the program too. I guess being a foreigner, to me the Harvard name is having an impact however from what you are saying and the little bit of experience I've gained on the interview trail it seems that this is not worth much in the grand scheme of things....am I correct to come to this conclusion? Do you mind me asking why you decided to not go to Mount Auburn?

Affiliated institution names of community programs, even if it's Harvard, means very little in the grand scheme of things because your future employers who are MDs will know immediately that you went to Harvard's Community Affiliate and not Harvard's MGH or Harvard's BIDMC. It's the same for all the Mayo affiliated programs -- the prestige of it is minuscule in the medical community compared to the main Mayo in Rochester.

Sure, over the holidays it might be nice for you to tell your aunt though that you work at a "Harvard program" since they'll be none the wiser.

My overall rationale at the end of not going to a community program boiled down very simply to the well known fact that going to an academic program opens more doors for you in terms of research, mentorship, and to a degree reputation when it comes to applying for fellowship. I knew I wanted to specialize going into residency, and I wanted to have the best shot I can get given my abysmal board scores. I didn't want to shoot myself in the foot again. Thus, even though I interviewed at some very nice, even cush, community programs (looking at you Kaiser programs), I ended up going to a mid-tier academic center where I worked super hard, but ultimately set me up very well for the great fellowship program I matched at this year.

This is not to say that you have no chance of fellowships from a community program. In fact, that statement is blatantly false. However, it does mean that you will need to be a little bit more aggressive in seeking out mentorship, research, or even away rotations if you don't have an in-house fellowship or opportunity for electives and research. If during your travels you found a great community program that offers you support and can help you with this, then by all means take it and run with it.

Since your expressed interest is for fellowship training, I think this should factor in somewhat in your overall assessment of programs. Looking at your list I think you should prioritize St. Lukes/SLR due to their strong connection with Mount Sinai, Case Western Metro Health, Albany, Westchester (affiliated with NYMC), ?FAU, ?Rosalind Franklin. I didn't actually interview at any of these programs but they are either lower-tier academic programs or very strong community programs that operate like academic programs. Make sure when you go there ask to see the list of fellowship matches in the last few years and especially in the fields of interest that you have described. If your ultimate goal is fellowship, that would almost be the most important criteria (other than location) in assessing the programs you have listed above.

 

[lulu09]

I have followed these threads for 3 years...it's time for me to post my question. How would you guys rank the following programs?
Albany Medical Center -St. Luke's Roosevelt/Mount Sinai West - Lahey Clinic - Drexel

Thank You

SLR
Albany
Drexel

Have no idea about Lahey. I heard it's not bad, so you can either insert it above or below Drexel.

 

[Onewhen]

SLR
Albany
Drexel

Have no idea about Lahey. I heard it's not bad, so you can either insert it above or below Drexel.

Thank You. I appreciate your input. Do you mind explaining why you think SLR would be better than Albany even though SLR is university affiliated while Albany is a university program ? I had good vibes from both and having a hard time deciding between them Thank you again.

 

[lulu09]

Thank You. I appreciate your input. Do you mind explaining why you think SLR would be better than Albany even though SLR is university affiliated while Albany is a university program ? I had good vibes from both and having a hard time deciding between them Thank you again.

SLR has a strong connection with Mount Sinai and being located in NYC I think there is exposure to greater pathology, more research, and also higher clinical volume. University-affiliated community programs, especially those with strong connections or located in major regional centers with high volume, can outrank other "pure" academic centers. For example, I think a comparable case in California can be made for this for both UCLA-Olive View and UCLA-Harbor who are both university affiliates compared to Loma Linda who has a med school in its own right. It's not as clear cut as simply just putting programs in "academic" vs. "community" bins.

That being said, this is all based on my peers who have personal experience with SLR and Albany as I did not personally interview at either of them. Still obviously compare match lists, figure out your location preference, cost of living...etc.

 

[Onewhen]

SLR has a strong connection with Mount Sinai and being located in NYC I think there is exposure to greater pathology, more research, and also higher clinical volume. University-affiliated community programs, especially those with strong connections or located in major regional centers with high volume, can outrank other "pure" academic centers. For example, I think a comparable case in California can be made for this for both UCLA-Olive View and UCLA-Harbor who are both university affiliates compared to Loma Linda who has a med school in its own right. It's not as clear cut as simply just putting programs in "academic" vs. "community" bins.

That being said, this is all based on my peers who have personal experience with SLR and Albany as I did not personally interview at either of them. Still obviously compare match lists, figure out your location preference, cost of living...etc.

A very valid point. Thanks alot!

 

[Anicetus]

Thanks Lulu, that's very useful to know and I experienced a similar community feel about the program too. I guess being a foreigner, to me the Harvard name is having an impact however from what you are saying and the little bit of experience I've gained on the interview trail it seems that this is not worth much in the grand scheme of things....am I correct to come to this conclusion? Do you mind me asking why you decided to not go to Mount Auburn?

Lulu addressed it perfectly above.

On the plus side of going to mt. Auburn you could at least convince your grandma that you’re at “Harvard”. Other than that it won’t do you much. Unless it is the home university program, slapping a big name on it means nothing to fellowships. There are only a handful of exceptions to this including Beth Israel deaconess and Brigham women’s for Harvard.

 

[Peraluna]

Lulu thank you so much! You've honestly cleared up a lot for me, I really really appreciate it. I don't know if you just overlooked it, but UCONN is a university program and had really good facilities or so I thought. On doximity residency navigator it seemed quite reputable, I was under the impression that it was on par with SLR?

FAU was a good program, although location does not matter to me as I do not have any commitments anywhere I'm just a bit timid with the idea of hurricanes!

Affiliated institution names of community programs, even if it's Harvard, means very little in the grand scheme of things because your future employers who are MDs will know immediately that you went to Harvard's Community Affiliate and not Harvard's MGH or Harvard's BIDMC. It's the same for all the Mayo affiliated programs -- the prestige of it is minuscule in the medical community compared to the main Mayo in Rochester.

Sure, over the holidays it might be nice for you to tell your aunt though that you work at a "Harvard program" since they'll be none the wiser.

My overall rationale at the end of not going to a community program boiled down very simply to the well known fact that going to an academic program opens more doors for you in terms of research, mentorship, and to a degree reputation when it comes to applying for fellowship. I knew I wanted to specialize going into residency, and I wanted to have the best shot I can get given my abysmal board scores. I didn't want to shoot myself in the foot again. Thus, even though I interviewed at some very nice, even cush, community programs (looking at you Kaiser programs), I ended up going to a mid-tier academic center where I worked super hard, but ultimately set me up very well for the great fellowship program I matched at this year.

This is not to say that you have no chance of fellowships from a community program. In fact, that statement is blatantly false. However, it does mean that you will need to be a little bit more aggressive in seeking out mentorship, research, or even away rotations if you don't have an in-house fellowship or opportunity for electives and research. If during your travels you found a great community program that offers you support and can help you with this, then by all means take it and run with it.

Since your expressed interest is for fellowship training, I think this should factor in somewhat in your overall assessment of programs. Looking at your list I think you should prioritize St. Lukes/SLR due to their strong connection with Mount Sinai, Case Western Metro Health, Albany, Westchester (affiliated with NYMC), ?FAU, ?Rosalind Franklin. I didn't actually interview at any of these programs but they are either lower-tier academic programs or very strong community programs that operate like academic programs. Make sure when you go there ask to see the list of fellowship matches in the last few years and especially in the fields of interest that you have described. If your ultimate goal is fellowship, that would almost be the most important criteria (other than location) in assessing the programs you have listed above.

 

[Peraluna]

Hahah as long as my granny is sitting on the panel for fellowship applications, I'm good with that! Thank you for helping me clear that up, I would've probably ranked Mount Auburn first with the belief that the Harvard name would have had some weight to it and therefore would have helped me in the future. So grateful for your help

Lulu addressed it perfectly above.

On the plus side of going to mt. Auburn you could at least convince your grandma that you’re at “Harvard”. Other than that it won’t do you much. Unless it is the home university program, slapping a big name on it means nothing to fellowships. There are only a handful of exceptions to this including Beth Israel deaconess and Brigham women’s for Harvard.

 

[wrightdelta]

Hey everyone. Thank you for all the great input and good luck to all for the match!

I am deciding between Case Western Reserve University (MetroHealth) and Lankenau Medical Center (Philadelphia). I want to do a fellowship in Cardiology. Both programs are community (university affiliated), have great facilities, supportive faculty and good research opportunities.

However, I am under the impression that Case Western MetroHealth is far more reputable and therefore would help me more in terms of fellowship, is this correct? If so, is there a significant difference?

 

[imapp919]

Hi all, would appreciate some help here. Will pursue a heme/onc fellowship and am trying to rank the following institutions. Any thoughts on the relative strength of each institution's home heme/onc program would be helpful. Obviously geography is the main difference here (in general the actual programs themselves are pretty similar). I liked them all when i was interviewing and would live in any of these cities.

Stanford, BIDMC, UWash, Cornell, UCLA, UTSW

 

[IMrad]

Hi all, would appreciate some help here. Will pursue a heme/onc fellowship and am trying to rank the following institutions. Any thoughts on the relative strength of each institution's home heme/onc program would be helpful. Obviously geography is the main difference here (in general the actual programs themselves are pretty similar). I liked them all when i was interviewing and would live in any of these cities.

Stanford, BIDMC, UWash, Cornell, UCLA, UTSW

Unlikely to go wrong with any of those options. You could explore the heme/onc threads. Fred Hutch might take the cake for the 'best' home program. Cornell and BIDMC also have Top programs. You can always move for fellowship though.

 

[Beacopp665]

Hi all, would appreciate some help here. Will pursue a heme/onc fellowship and am trying to rank the following institutions. Any thoughts on the relative strength of each institution's home heme/onc program would be helpful. Obviously geography is the main difference here (in general the actual programs themselves are pretty similar). I liked them all when i was interviewing and would live in any of these cities.

Stanford, BIDMC, UWash, Cornell, UCLA, UTSW

All of these programs will set you up very well for fellowship. Another poster mentioned U Wash has the best in house fellowship of them all, I would agree.

If you are dead set on being at Dana Farber, then BID would have the better chance among that list potentially as they tend to take many of their own.

You can always go somewhere else for fellowship as long as you do well in residency. For example UTSW had 8 people apply/match hem onc, though none of them stayed

 

[MyTachyBradyHeart]

Hi all, would appreciate some help here. Will pursue a heme/onc fellowship and am trying to rank the following institutions. Any thoughts on the relative strength of each institution's home heme/onc program would be helpful. Obviously geography is the main difference here (in general the actual programs themselves are pretty similar). I liked them all when i was interviewing and would live in any of these cities.

Stanford, BIDMC, UWash, Cornell, UCLA, UTSW

Buy a dice, assign each of those institutions to #1-6, and roll.

But really, while there are relative differences in heme/onc at those institutions, you shouldn't have any issues matching into heme/onc at your institution of choice if you're a good resident and have done your due diligence. Cornell has the weakest IM training IMO but also has Sloan-Kettering. Take that for what it's worth.

 

[drwaluigi]

looking for fellowship in CARDS... how would you rank this list

RUSH
MOUNT SINAI ST LUKE
HOUSTON METHODIST
JACKSON MEMORIAL/UNIV OF MIAMI
JACOBI/AECOM