Official Rank List Help Thread 2010-2011

[gold&black2005]

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Why don't you people make a final consensus list for Cards... went through most part of thread and everybody is telling it differently...
lez make a list of all the major names....may be 50 ..

worst. idea. ever.

(reference "a final top 30 list for posterity's sake" thread from last year for example of above.)

 

[almost MD]

what do u think about Case western for cards as compared to Iowa, UAb and other bitches.... I like University hospitals... n weather is not a concern for me... i love cold weather and snow...🙂

Oh wow, we got a winner here. I'll bet the top programs are all lining up to fight over this applicant! BTW, perhaps you should stop posting. It shouldn't be too hard for your programs to figure out who you are: FMG, wants cardiology, personal statement looks like it was written by a 12 y/o die-hard Hannah Montana fan.

On the other hand, I do think arguing over a new top 30 list would liven things up a bit. 😉

 

[whipple800]

Frequent reader, first time poster.

Need help ranking. Possibly interested in GI. City-feel and multi-hospital system preferred. Planned ranking below but tell me if I am making an uninformed decision anywhere.

Rank:

1. U Washington, Seattle

2/3/4 (need help with order)
-Duke (liked program, did not like small city)
-Emory
-BIDMC, Boston (leaning towards this as #2)

5. Mt. Sinai, NY

Remaining list (need help with order)
-UNC
-Tufts
-Boston Univ
-UC Davis
-Brown, RI

Thanks!!!

 

[gutonc]

Why don't you people make a final consensus list for Cards... went through most part of thread and everybody is telling it differently...
lez make a list of all the major names....may be 50 ..

Because there is no such thing. Also...seriously, learn to spell. You're killing us here.

 

[gutonc]

Frequent reader, first time poster.

Need help ranking. Possibly interested in GI. City-feel and multi-hospital system preferred. Planned ranking below but tell me if I am making an uninformed decision anywhere.

Rank:

1. U Washington, Seattle

2/3/4 (need help with order)
-Duke (liked program, did not like small city)
-Emory
-BIDMC, Boston (leaning towards this as #2)

5. Mt. Sinai, NY

Remaining list (need help with order)
-UNC
-Tufts
-Boston Univ
-UC Davis
-Brown, RI

Thanks!!!

If you want GI and you are ranking MSSM at #5 you must really hate NYC. From a strict GI POV, Sinai should be 1 or 2 on your list (very good GI @ UW and I would personally rather live in Seattle than NYC but I liked Sinai better than UW overall).

Your final 5 should be listed in the order you prefer (although I'd move Davis up above the Boston places). You probably wont' go down that far anyway.

 

[chitown82]

Dr. Zar at UIC is legendary. Rush has a pretty new hospital. I know people at both who are very happy - all staying in-house for fellowship and loving the programs.

Personally, I'd pick UIC (just a gut sense that it's stronger) but would say you should go with your gut and rank whichever one you preferred.

Agreed.

In my opinion, UIC is a stronger program. The clinical training is probably similar but when it comes to research opportunities, UIC wins (Rush makes it no secret that it's not a focus of their program). While both attract mostly people from the Midwest, UIC still has a better pull from other areas of the country. Fellowship match is better at UIC Facilities are better at Rush (new hospital). UIC has less of a "hold my hand" feel as it's a busy state-funded hospital with less private patients.

 

[funnyfamilyguy]

Hi
Long time reader, first time poster, need ur help plz, interested in cards or pulm/cc, I want to work in a non malignant atmosphere, I have no geographic preference at all.
TUFTS
UMass
UConn
SUNYdownstate
UMDNJ-RWJ
UMDNJ-NJMS
Temple
Arizona
N Mexico
Arkansas
UTHouston
USC
UF-Gains ville
UF-Jacksonville
Wayne State
William Beaumont

Thanks

 

[tummynun]

And why do people care so much about the language when they don't know the content!! 😉
anybody interested in the starting the noble work of making the list will be highly appreciated....🙂

 

[tummynun]

Because there is no such thing. Also...seriously, learn to spell. You're killing us here.

oh really... didn't know if "lez" (stands for Let us) has a proper spelling 😉

 

[tummynun]

you look like a proud AMG who after 10yrs from now will finally come to work under me 😉
PS: Don't comment about any FMG's resume before you read it.... 280/278/Pass 😉 I hope now card seems possible... doesn't it??

 

[tummynun]

Oh wow, we got a winner here. I'll bet the top programs are all lining up to fight over this applicant! BTW, perhaps you should stop posting. It shouldn't be too hard for your programs to figure out who you are: FMG, wants cardiology, personal statement looks like it was written by a 12 y/o die-hard Hannah Montana fan.

On the other hand, I do think arguing over a new top 30 list would liven things up a bit. 😉

you look like a proud AMG who after 10yrs from now will finally come to work under me 😉
PS: Don't comment about any FMG's resume before you read it.... 280/278/Pass 😉 I hope now card seems possible... doesn't it??

 

[gold&black2005]

Frequent reader, first time poster.

Need help ranking. Possibly interested in GI. City-feel and multi-hospital system preferred. Planned ranking below but tell me if I am making an uninformed decision anywhere.

Rank:

1. U Washington, Seattle

2/3/4 (need help with order)
-Duke (liked program, did not like small city)
-Emory
-BIDMC, Boston (leaning towards this as #2)

5. Mt. Sinai, NY

Remaining list (need help with order)
-UNC
-Tufts
-Boston Univ
-UC Davis
-Brown, RI

Thanks!!!

Agree with gutonc on sinai - but respecting your preferences...

UW
BIDMC
Duke (durham isn't that awful, atlanta isn't that hot)
Emory
Sinai
UNC = BU (see above...)
UCD
Brown
Tufts

 

[ResidentMD]

you look like a proud AMG who after 10yrs from now will finally come to work under me 😉
PS: Don't comment about any FMG's resume before you read it.... 280/278/Pass 😉 I hope now card seems possible... doesn't it??

:troll:

 

[tummynun]

:troll:

I apologize for the comment and will not give any further comments like that

 

[almost MD]

I have nothing against FMG's. I have met many who are friendly, smart, and humble who I would be honored to work beside.

Sigh. For someone so smart, you are really quite foolish. As if it wasn't easy enough for selection committee members to pick you out before you publicly displayed your step scores... Your true personality has come out now in an anonymous forum, something I'm sure you hid very well during your interviews.

A word of advice: Humility, my friend, is very important. Learn to be humble and I am sure you will be a successful cardiologist one day. Let your ego get in the way and you'll be in someone's doghouse very quickly.

I have nothing more to say to you. I wish you the best in your future endeavors.

you look like a proud AMG who after 10yrs from now will finally come to work under me 😉
PS: Don't comment about any FMG's resume before you read it.... 280/278/Pass 😉 I hope now card seems possible... doesn't it??

 

[mama]

This thread is going off-topic, moderator.

 

[gutonc]

This thread is going off-topic, moderator.

One d-bag troll with an attitude and spelling problem != thread derailment.

 

[lovebones]

UCLA
Stanford
UCSD
Cedars
UCD
UW
Kaiser LA, SF
USC
OHSU
CPMC
Santa Clara Valley MC

I want to do Hem/Onc. How would you rank these programs? I prefer to stay in Cali for residency. Between Stanford and UCLA, which one has a better rep and IM training? Thanks.

 

[lovebones]

Has anyone received a "ranked to match" call or a very positive email from PD's of any of these programs:

Stanford
Santa Clara Valley MC
Cedars

 

[gutonc]

UCLA
Stanford
UCSD
Cedars
UCD
UW
Kaiser LA, SF
USC
OHSU
CPMC
Santa Clara Valley MC

I want to do Hem/Onc. How would you rank these programs? I prefer to stay in Cali for residency. Between Stanford and UCLA, which one has a better rep and IM training? Thanks.

Rep? Stanford. Training? Toss up.

If you want to stay in CA I'd go with Stanford then the UCs as you liked them (with Davis at the end of the list), then CPMC=USC, then SCVMC then the Kaisers.

UW would otherwise be near the top of that list (reputation-wise) with OHSU solidly in the top 1/3 both for rep and training.

 

[urnsss2010]

Hi guys...
Just found out about this blog. But I guess I'm not late as I'll be applying in next session for residency.
This thread is awesome and I'm sorry for the FMG thing going on in here.
Anyways, I'm a FMG and will like to go to Cards. I know its a very high dream these days.
What do you people suggest which program will be the best for me?
Some of the big names I know of where seniors from my school have gone are
1. Cleveland Clinic, Ohio
2. Baystate-Tufts
3. Sinai-JHU (only one)
4. Baylor (two)
5. Many in SUNY-Downstate, UTMB, TMC, UoF
6. None in Emory, California and Harvard 🙁
So, I know of these places only.

 

[jdh71]

280/278/Pass 😉 I hope now card seems possible... doesn't it??

No

Kid, you an EVERY other FMG trying to get into cards . . . most of which programs won't bother with your visa, not for a second (plenty of AMGs who want the spots and won't cost the extra money). If you have a year to study for a couple of tests you BETTER score high.

Sorry, kid, you're not a special nor unique flower.

EDIT: If you decide to stay in this country, get back to me, I'll let you work in my clinic . . .

 

[jdh71]

UCLA
Stanford
UCSD
Cedars
UCD
UW
Kaiser LA, SF
USC
OHSU
CPMC
Santa Clara Valley MC

I want to do Hem/Onc. How would you rank these programs? I prefer to stay in Cali for residency. Between Stanford and UCLA, which one has a better rep and IM training? Thanks.

That's like asking which do I like better: hookers or cocaine . . .

Decide if you like LA or Palo Alto best. Done.

 

[jdh71]

Has anyone received a "ranked to match" call or a very positive email from PD's of any of these programs:

Stanford
Santa Clara Valley MC
Cedars

ALL of these programs rank me every year. I keep telling them that I'm almost done with residency, will going onto fellowship, and while I appreciate the continued interest, it's simply not practical. Besides, I'm not even signed up for the NRMP.

 

[jdh71]

Hi guys...
Just found out about this blog. But I guess I'm not late as I'll be applying in next session for residency.
This thread is awesome and I'm sorry for the FMG thing going on in here.
Anyways, I'm a FMG and will like to go to Cards. I know its a very high dream these days.
What do you people suggest which program will be the best for me?
Some of the big names I know of where seniors from my school have gone are
1. Cleveland Clinic, Ohio
2. Baystate-Tufts
3. Sinai-JHU (only one)
4. Baylor (two)
5. Many in SUNY-Downstate, UTMB, TMC, UoF
6. None in Emory, California and Harvard 🙁
So, I know of these places only.

Creighton which will consider FMGs, also will consider FMGs for their cardiology program.

 

[Awmercer]

Trying to decide between U Miami and Scripps Green for #1. Anybody have thoughts? I'm interested in Cards.

 

[jdh71]

Trying to decide between U Miami and Scripps Green for #1. Anybody have thoughts? I'm interested in Cards.

I think you've got to go university program trying to find a cards spot

 

[gutonc]

I think you've got to go university program trying to find a cards spot

Except that Scripps Green is a very well respected community program and Miami (is that JFK-Atlantic?) is a largely ignored "university" program.

 

[jdh71]

Except that Scripps Green is a very well respected community program and Miami (is that JFK-Atlantic?) is a largely ignored "university" program.

So you like the well respected community angle better than the lesser known university program angle? I can see that. Perhaps it's better to go with name recognition over the university program. I guess for me I'd go with where I thought I could get the right mentorship to get some scholarly work done in cards. And that usually means a university program.

 

[whipple800]

Agree with gutonc on sinai - but respecting your preferences...

UW
BIDMC
Duke (durham isn't that awful, atlanta isn't that hot)
Emory
Sinai
UNC = BU (see above...)
UCD
Brown
Tufts

Thanks gutonc and gold&black!

My reservations about MSSM:
-The PD (Babyatsky) was great, but with his recent appt. to Dept Chair, the new PD is an unknown
-Didn't GI just get a new Director in June 2010....if the dept is so strong, why did they lose the previous Director? Where did he/she go?
-I love NY, but wanted a more academic feel with multiple hospitals..at MSSM, you are in the same building most of the time.

I am hoping that even those schools I rank above MSSM, I will still have good fellowship options....?

 

[gutonc]

So you like the well respected community angle better than the lesser known university program angle? I can see that. Perhaps it's better to go with name recognition over the university program. I guess for me I'd go with where I thought I could get the right mentorship to get some scholarly work done in cards. And that usually means a university program.

True. If the OP would chime in on which Miami program they're actually talking about, it would be helpful. If it's Jackson, then you're probably right. If it's one of the other affiliated programs, probably not.

 

[IMgal]

Thinking about GI. Prefer Boston. Got the best vibe from BIDMC but I know MGH/BWH have a better rep. What do you think?

MGH
Tufts
BIDMC
BWH
Cornell
Columbia
NYU
Penn
Yale
Brown
U. Chicago
Jefferson
Northwestern

 

[Awmercer]

True. If the OP would chime in on which Miami program they're actually talking about, it would be helpful. If it's Jackson, then you're probably right. If it's one of the other affiliated programs, probably not.

To clarify, I was referring to UMiami-Jackson Memorial.

 

[gold&black2005]

Thanks gutonc and gold&black!

My reservations about MSSM:
-The PD (Babyatsky) was great, but with his recent appt. to Dept Chair, the new PD is an unknown
-Didn't GI just get a new Director in June 2010....if the dept is so strong, why did they lose the previous Director? Where did he/she go?
-I love NY, but wanted a more academic feel with multiple hospitals..at MSSM, you are in the same building most of the time.

I am hoping that even those schools I rank above MSSM, I will still have good fellowship options....?

Yes, you will. Go with your gut.

 

[gold&black2005]

Thinking about GI. Prefer Boston. Got the best vibe from BIDMC but I know MGH/BWH have a better rep. What do you think?

MGH
Tufts
BIDMC
BWH
Cornell
Columbia
NYU
Penn
Yale
Brown
U. Chicago
Jefferson
Northwestern

So, GI wise, you're set at a ton of these places. If you liked the BI best, then rank it one...your GI placement is better at BWH/MGH, though. What made you not like them as much?

Reputation wise and GI wise...

MGH = BWH
Penn = Columbia
Cornell = Yale = Chicago = BIDMC
Northwestern
NYU
The rest

I imagine if you rank the BIDMC one, though, that you'll be good to go. GREAT LIST!

 

[brd850]

Interested in Cards/ Pulmo...This is my list. Plz comment...

1.CCF
2.NYMC
3.CREIGHTON
4.UAMS
5.OUHSC
6.EINSTEIN (philly)
7.Washington Hospital Center

 

[Pkboi24]

Thanks gutonc and gold&black!

My reservations about MSSM:
-The PD (Babyatsky) was great, but with his recent appt. to Dept Chair, the new PD is an unknown
-Didn't GI just get a new Director in June 2010....if the dept is so strong, why did they lose the previous Director? Where did he/she go?
-I love NY, but wanted a more academic feel with multiple hospitals..at MSSM, you are in the same building most of the time.

I am hoping that even those schools I rank above MSSM, I will still have good fellowship options....?

Upon further research, it appears that the former director is still at MSSM. He just stepped down for the new guy.

 

[Instatewaiter]

Frequent reader, first time poster.

Need help ranking. Possibly interested in GI. City-feel and multi-hospital system preferred. Planned ranking below but tell me if I am making an uninformed decision anywhere.

Rank:

1. U Washington, Seattle

2/3/4 (need help with order)
-Duke (liked program, did not like small city)
-Emory
-BIDMC, Boston (leaning towards this as #2)

5. Mt. Sinai, NY

Remaining list (need help with order)
-UNC
-Tufts
-Boston Univ
-UC Davis
-Brown, RI

Thanks!!!

UW
BIDMC
Duke
Emory (I really didn't get a great vibe about the program last year)
Sinai
UNC
Others

And why do people care so much about the language when they don't know the content!! 😉
anybody interested in the starting the noble work of making the list will be highly appreciated....🙂

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=705041&highlight=top+30

you look like a proud AMG who after 10yrs from now will finally come to work under me 😉
PS: Don't comment about any FMG's resume before you read it.... 280/278/Pass 😉 I hope now card seems possible... doesn't it??

I'd be willing to put my money down that you are lying about those scores.

 

[jdh71]

I'd be willing to put my money down that you are lying about those scores.

A LOT of FMGs have scores that high. Think how high your score would be if you studied for a year.

 

[jdh71]

Interested in Cards/ Pulmo...This is my list. Plz comment...

1.CCF
2.NYMC
3.CREIGHTON
4.UAMS
5.OUHSC
6.EINSTEIN (philly)
7.Washington Hospital Center

Probably something like . . .

CCF
Creighton
Arkanasas
Oklahoma
NYMC = Einstein
Washington Hosp

 

[IMgal]

So, GI wise, you're set at a ton of these places. If you liked the BI best, then rank it one...your GI placement is better at BWH/MGH, though. What made you not like them as much?

Reputation wise and GI wise...

MGH = BWH
Penn = Columbia
Cornell = Yale = Chicago = BIDMC
Northwestern
NYU
The rest

I imagine if you rank the BIDMC one, though, that you'll be good to go. GREAT LIST!

Thanks for your advice. I did like MGH and BWH. I just thought that the people were really great at BI and it was a more laid back. I would be happy and lucky to be at any of them though!

 

[urnsss2010]

A LOT of FMGs have scores that high. Think how high your score would be if you studied for a year.

Hi... I agree with you that we get an extra year but we are not so lucky man. We have to get all our results before 31st August so that we can be ECFMG certified plus we also need to get 2-3 months of US Clinical Experience during that period. So, at least for me its still fast and difficult. The scores which this guy has mentioned are exceptionally good. I bet he might have been a topper in national level examinations too.

 

[urnsss2010]

Creighton which will consider FMGs, also will consider FMGs for their cardiology program.

Hey Jdh,
Thanks for the reply. Yes, I came to know about one of my seniors in Creighton recently. I'm trying to study hard for USMLEs. If I score around 260 in both Step 1 and 2, will I be able to get placed in some top program? If yes, which can they be?

 

[lordjesus]

Hey Jdh,
Thanks for the reply. Yes, I came to know about one of my seniors in Creighton recently. I'm trying to study hard for USMLEs. If I score around 260 in both Step 1 and 2, will I be able to get placed in some top program? If yes, which can they be?

Scores probably don't matter for fellowship apps. I think you are on the wrong forum dude, you should post your questions in an FMG forum because the info you get in this forum does not apply to FMGs.

AMG and FMG apps are looked at in an entirely different way, so the info you get on this forum most likely would not help you much.

 

[jdh71]

Hey Jdh,
Thanks for the reply. Yes, I came to know about one of my seniors in Creighton recently. I'm trying to study hard for USMLEs. If I score around 260 in both Step 1 and 2, will I be able to get placed in some top program? If yes, which can they be?

Top program? Creighton, which is not a "top program", is a solid middle tier place with great training (Omaha can make it difficult to recruit), and it's cards program is again a very clinically rigorous program with great training, but again middle tier as far as academic cardiology programs go. 260s will be good enough to be considered for Creighton I think. You'll have to be an excellent resident to be considered for their Cards program. Unfortunately, those scores will not guarantee a top program anywhere in Cards - just giving you a realistic picture.

 

[pkbronco]

Thinking Cards or primary care. How would you rank these programs? Grew up as a military brat so not restricted by geography as I have family scattered across the states.

UVA
Maryland
Georgetown
Mayo-Jacksonville
Hopkins Bayview
UCLA-Harbor
Cedars-Sinai
MUSC
UC-Irvine

 

[gold&black2005]

UVA
Maryland = Hopkins-Bayview (tough call - Bayview has Hopkins resources and a fantastic fellowship match in a small, family-like program. Maryland is more a traditional tertiary care center, cards match may not be as strong but a very solid list nonetheless)
Cedars-Sinai = Harbor - UCLA
MUSC
UCI
Georgetown
Mayo-Jax

Thinking Cards or primary care. How would you rank these programs? Grew up as a military brat so not restricted by geography as I have family scattered across the states.

UVA
Maryland
Georgetown
Mayo-Jacksonville
Hopkins Bayview
UCLA-Harbor
Cedars-Sinai
MUSC
UC-Irvine

 

[Zippership]

So, GI wise, you're set at a ton of these places. If you liked the BI best, then rank it one...your GI placement is better at BWH/MGH, though. What made you not like them as much?

Reputation wise and GI wise...

MGH = BWH
Penn = Columbia
Cornell = Yale = Chicago = BIDMC
Northwestern
NYU
The rest

I imagine if you rank the BIDMC one, though, that you'll be good to go. GREAT LIST!

GI-wise MGH and BIDMC are considered to be superior in Boston to BWH since BWH does not have a liver transplant program so will send all their end stage liver patients to MGH or BIDMC. It's the one area where BWH is significantly weaker than the rest of the hospitals.

 

[gutonc]

GI-wise MGH and BIDMC are considered to be superior in Boston to BWH since BWH does not have a liver transplant program so will send all their end stage liver patients to MGH or BIDMC.

No liver transplant program? That sounds glorious! As a resident at a place with a liver transplant program AND one of the only 2 VA liver transplant programs in the country, I sometimes felt like all I ever did on wards or ICU was titrate lactulose and rifaxamin and do paracenteses.

 

[nectarine]

Any help much appreciated! Location is not a factor for me--I am mainly just hoping to go to a program where i will match GI.

Michigan
UT-SW
Pitt
Cleveland Clinic
Wisconsin
UAB
OHSU
MUSC
Colorado
UNC
Ohio State
Indiana
Minnesota
Case-UH

Thanks in advance for the help! 🙂