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Can anyone give me some help here? (not factoring in location, I'm having my own internal struggles with location but I'll have to figure that out)

I'm interested in cardiology.

UMass
Brown
UMDNJ-RWJ
UMDNJ-NJMS
UMaryland
Jefferson
Temple
NYMC Westchester
Albany
UConn
 
docscience said:
what about a lower tier match list? much appreciated!!!!!!!! location factors in a bit

u of miami -fl
u of gainesville - fl
university of southern florida - tampa
u of iowa - iowa city
u of arizona - tucson
banner good sam - phoenix
u of southern california - l.a.
kaiser oakland
kaiser santa clara
methodist hospital houston
portland providence
legacy emanuel
ucla - olive view
university of new mexico - albuquerque
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Iowa is probably the better of academic rep on that list, but if I remember correctly you're not so interested in fellowship, and I'm sure any of those programs would give you a solid general IM training, with USC probably doing the best job given LA County. I say rank according to how you liked the programs given your location considerations. U of Arizona and UF-Gainesville are both very nice academic programs.
 
DF38 said:
Can anyone give me some help here? (not factoring in location, I'm having my own internal struggles with location but I'll have to figure that out)

I'm interested in cardiology.

UMass
Brown
UMDNJ-RWJ
UMDNJ-NJMS
UMaryland
Jefferson
Temple
NYMC Westchester
Albany
UConn
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Heard good things about UMaryland and Jefferson. Brown is a really happy program. A lot of these programs though, fly under the radar, so it's hard to know which are the hidden gems. So I'd look at how each programs supports their residents for career planning: Do they provide opportunities for research? How's the advising? Is the PD supportive? Also look at the standard things: their match lists, and how good they are at taking their own for cards.

Good luck! 😀
 
heathen said:
Hey all, not sure what I want to do later. But, right now I'm probably 70% Heme-Onc, 15% Gen IM and 15% GI. How would you rank the following places in terms of getting a H/O fellowship, location and malignancy. Thanks as always 🙂

University of Virginia
Wake Forest
UAB
Emory
Oregon Health
Washington University
BU
Tufts
Baylor
UT Southwestern
UNC
Thomas Jefferson
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Anyone? 😎
 
heathen said:
Hey all, not sure what I want to do later. But, right now I'm probably 70% Heme-Onc, 15% Gen IM and 15% GI. How would you rank the following places in terms of getting a H/O fellowship, location and malignancy. Thanks as always 🙂

University of Virginia
Wake Forest
UAB
Emory
Oregon Health
Washington University
BU
Tufts
Baylor
UT Southwestern
UNC
Thomas Jefferson
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Interesting list. I'm going to use my "Quartile Ranking System (TM)" strictly with regard to program quality.

I can tell you how I would rank these places in terms of location (OHSU >>>Tufts/BU>>Jeff>>>>>everywhere else), but you probably have different location preferences that I do (to wit, I didn't even apply to 7 of those places, simply because of location).

Also, ranking based on malignancy is kind of silly because it's largely a personal bias and most of it is hearsay. Traditionally, UTSW, Emory and BU have huge workloads and "sink or swim" mentalities but produce great clinicians. The rest of the programs also produce good clinicians.

Now the actual ranks (in no particular order within groups and recognizing the real difference between any of these programs is pretty small):

WU
UTSW
----------
University of Virginia
UAB
Emory
Oregon Health
UNC
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BU
Tufts
Wake Forest
Thomas Jefferson

As always, find the place you think you'll fit the best. I interviewed @ WU (you'll note I put that at the top of this list) and ranked it near the bottom of my list simply because I didn't feel comfortable there (in spite of being an undergrad from there and knowing lots of people in the program). If you liked it, you'd do well to rank it highly.
 
Please help with my list.
I'm and avergae/mediocre IM applicant.

Montefiore
Cornell
NS-LIJ
RWJMS
Beth Israel
Downstate
NJMS
St Lukes/Roosevelt
Stonybrook
Lenox Hill
Jacobi
 
Adelaida said:
Would appreciate the help guys. I know its an odd list. I'm a middle of the road applicant, I do want to move to the west coast, and I also loved NYC .. I really liked Cedars but was worried its not a university program
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It's between UCSD and Mount Sinai, but I might just be saying that because those are the only 2 I interviewed at out of the list.
 
Pkboi24 said:
It's between UCSD and Mount Sinai, but I might just be saying that because those are the only 2 I interviewed at out of the list.
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No...you're saying that because you're right. Those 2 are clearly at the top of that list. The rest pretty much cluster together below that and would depend on personal fit/feel.
 
I probably will end up posting in this thread a couple of times depending on which schools I yank off my list.

For now, my rank list would include the following:

UTSW
UChicago
NYU
Einstein/ Montefiore
North Shore - LIJ
Beth Israel - Manhattan
UMDNJ - Robert Wood
BU
Brown
Temple
Maryland
Miami

Want a program which would in theory leave me the most competitive to pursue a popular specialty within the Northeastern US (BoWash). Figure if I could set myself up for cards/ GI in NYC, then I should be able to go anywhere even if I don't end up specializing (i.e. a hospitalist in NYC, a Manhattan primary care doctor, etc.).
 
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So I'm about 60% Pulm/CC and 40% Cards right now, haven't made up my mind:

My list so far, in no order:

Iowa
Wake Forest
UNC Chapel Hill
Arizona
Loma Linda
UC-Irvine
Utah

What do you guys think? The complicating factor is that I hope to eventually move West for a fellowship/grownup job, but I have a better gut feeling about the not-so-West programs. Do you think that going to, say, Iowa would put up much of a barrier to going to a fellowship in the West or Southwest?
 
Drawn said:
I probably will end up posting in this thread a couple of times depending on which schools I yank off my list.

For now, my rank list would include the following:

UTSW
UChicago
NYU
Einstein/ Montefiore
North Shore - LIJ
Beth Israel - Manhattan
UMDNJ - Robert Wood
BU
Brown
Temple
Maryland
Miami

Want a program which would in theory leave me the most competitive to pursue a popular specialty within the Northeastern US (BoWash). Figure if I could set myself up for cards/ GI in NYC, then I should be able to go anywhere even if I don't end up specializing (i.e. a hospitalist in NYC, a Manhattan primary care doctor, etc.).
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UTSW, UChicago, and NYU should be at the top of that list. I'd probably go

1. UChicago
2. UTSW
3. NYU
 
AZhopeful said:
So I'm about 60% Pulm/CC and 40% Cards right now, haven't made up my mind:

My list so far, in no order:

Iowa
Wake Forest
UNC Chapel Hill
Arizona
Loma Linda
UC-Irvine
Utah

What do you guys think? The complicating factor is that I hope to eventually move West for a fellowship/grownup job, but I have a better gut feeling about the not-so-West programs. Do you think that going to, say, Iowa would put up much of a barrier to going to a fellowship in the West or Southwest?
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Iowa is a very well respected program, basic science research powerhouse, excellent and well known pulm/cc, and arguably a top 30-35 IM residency, so, no if you're going for pulm/cc shouldn't be a problem getting interviews in the west/sw, but going for cards . . . probably

I do like your list though, solid choices IMHO, all with good to excellent pulm/cc, but I'd have to defer to one of the cardio fanboys about cards programs. I'd probably put the list together somewhat similar to this . . .

Iowa or Wake (whichever goes 1 the other goes 2)
UNC
Utah
Irvine
Arizona
Loma Linda

But I think you'd have a hard time going wrong with any of them. Go with your gut on this one.
 
jdh71 said:
Iowa is a very well respected program, basic science research powerhouse, excellent and well known pulm/cc, and arguably a top 30-35 IM residency, so, no if you're going for pulm/cc shouldn't be a problem getting interviews in the west/sw, but going for cards . . . probably

I do like your list though, solid choices IMHO, all with good to excellent pulm/cc, but I'd have to defer to one of the cardio fanboys about cards programs. I'd probably put the list together somewhat similar to this . . .

Iowa or Wake (whichever goes 1 the other goes 2)
UNC
Utah
Irvine
Arizona
Loma Linda

But I think you'd have a hard time going wrong with any of them. Go with your gut on this one.
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Thanks jdh... anyone out there with input about cards? Anyone around here have experience with getting a Western cards fellowships coming out of the midwest?
 
jdh71 said:
UTSW, UChicago, and NYU should be at the top of that list. I'd probably go

1. UChicago
2. UTSW
3. NYU
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Thanks for the input!

I would agree with you that these should be my top 3.

Additionally, however, I'm having problems filling out the middle and bottom parts of the rank list. I'd prefer to be in NYC/ suburbs during training, but this is my end goal (and preferably as a fellow). I'd be willing to spend a few years outside of NYC/ suburbs if it meant that I had a better shot than staying in NYC to pursue a competitive specialty and end up there in the long run.

So, the question I pose to you (and anyone else):

1) Would you go to a more mediocre program for IM hoping that this would help me with NYC/suburbs specialist programs (for argument's sake, cards and GI)? Special consideration for home-institution fellowship matching.

This would generate the following rank list:
4. Montefiore
5. NS-LIJ
6. BU
7. Maryland
8. Brown
9. Miami
10. UMDNJ - RWJ
11. Beth Israel - Manhattan
12. Temple

OR.......

2) ...would you go to a better program within the Northeast that, although keeping you from being in NYC/suburbs temporarily, would improve your chances of getting ANY NYC/suburbs?

That would generate the following rank list in my mind:

4. BU
5. Montefiore
6. Maryland
7. Brown
8. NS-LIJ
9. Miami
10. Temple
11. UMDNJ - RWJ
12. Beth Israel - Manhattan.

In other words, go to NS-LIJ because they take a lot of their own for fellowship? Or go to BU to enhance my chances at any of the NYC/ suburbs programs?

If you got to far to my post, mazel tov! 😆
 
I noticed that alot of people tend to lump Cards and GI together when comparing program's fellowship match factor. This made sense since these are 2 of the most competitive IM subspecialties with alot of interest. However, I think for ranking purposes, it should be considered entirely separate. Some of the top programs are impressive in both GI and Cards but the middle tier programs tend to be be much stronger in certain fields and fellowship match. For example, Maryland is well known for its Cardiology and Pulmonology/Critical Care department and matches well into those subspecialties but are much weaker in GI. Just a thought.
 
Drawn said:
Thanks for the input!

I would agree with you that these should be my top 3.

Additionally, however, I'm having problems filling out the middle and bottom parts of the rank list. I'd prefer to be in NYC/ suburbs during training, but this is my end goal (and preferably as a fellow). I'd be willing to spend a few years outside of NYC/ suburbs if it meant that I had a better shot than staying in NYC to pursue a competitive specialty and end up there in the long run.

So, the question I pose to you (and anyone else):

1) Would you go to a more mediocre program for IM hoping that this would help me with NYC/suburbs specialist programs (for argument's sake, cards and GI)? Special consideration for home-institution fellowship matching.

This would generate the following rank list:
4. Montefiore
5. NS-LIJ
6. BU
7. Maryland
8. Brown
9. Miami
10. UMDNJ - RWJ
11. Beth Israel - Manhattan
12. Temple

OR.......

2) ...would you go to a better program within the Northeast that, although keeping you from being in NYC/suburbs temporarily, would improve your chances of getting ANY NYC/suburbs?

That would generate the following rank list in my mind:

4. BU
5. Montefiore
6. Maryland
7. Brown
8. NS-LIJ
9. Miami
10. Temple
11. UMDNJ - RWJ
12. Beth Israel - Manhattan.

In other words, go to NS-LIJ because they take a lot of their own for fellowship? Or go to BU to enhance my chances at any of the NYC/ suburbs programs?

If you got to far to my post, mazel tov! 😆
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I wouldn't rank BU above Maryland, BU was chaos on my interview day.. and it didnt seem like a one-day fluke. Programs go through ups and downs, BU without a PD seems to be going through a down.
 
Interested in gi/cards. Need to drop one interview either montefiore or
Yale-primary care.
Any comments?
 
Another advice-seeking post.

Would like to go to NYC ideally. Cornell vs. Mt. Sinai? Which do I rank #1? I felt that Cornell was in a lot of transition (positive direction, which is good), while Mt. Sinai had a really strong program already in place. I don't know which to rank first!

Also on the list are UCLA, Washington University, and BIDMC. Thoughts?
 
How would you rank the following:

U Nevada
UTMB
JFK (U Miami Atlantis)
USF (Tampa)
Mt. Sinai (Miami)
 
Pea in a Pod said:
Another advice-seeking post.

Would like to go to NYC ideally. Cornell vs. Mt. Sinai? Which do I rank #1? I felt that Cornell was in a lot of transition (positive direction, which is good), while Mt. Sinai had a really strong program already in place. I don't know which to rank first!

Also on the list are UCLA, Washington University, and BIDMC. Thoughts?
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Coin toss. Both are great. Cornell has more a national name, but not enough to make you pick it over Sinai if you liked Sinai better.
 
HarryGary said:
Coin toss. Both are great. Cornell has more a national name, but not enough to make you pick it over Sinai if you liked Sinai better.
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Also, Cornell for H/o, Sinai for GI (Though Cornell's GI match is pretty impressive in its own right). Cards is about even.
 
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Depends on where you want to live, but I would say...

1. USF
2. UTMB
3. Nevada
4 or 5. Miami programs

Though if u prefer Galveston to Tampa, then UTMB maybe #1
 
Darlene said:
Interested in gi/cards. Need to drop one interview either montefiore or
Yale-primary care.
Any comments?
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I would drop Yale-Primary Care. Their PC match list for specialties was sparse. I think you have a better shot coming from Monte if you stay in the tristate area for fellowship.
 
KissMyAsthma98 said:
I would drop Yale-Primary Care. Their PC match list for specialties was sparse. I think you have a better shot coming from Monte if you stay in the tristate area for fellowship.
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Didn't interview at either program, so I should have made that clear. Seems like Asthma has, so she may have better perspective. Google shows the following:

Cards:
Recent grads for Monte:
- Cardiology Fellowship, St. Luke’s-Roosevelt Medical Center, New York, NY
- Cardiology Fellowship, Montefiore Medical Center/Einstein, Bronx, NY
- Cardiology Fellowship, Mount Sinai School of Medicine, New York, NY >

Recent grads for Yale PC:
- Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center
- Boston University
- Robert Wood Johnson – UMONT
- University of Alabama
- Yale University

GI:
Monte
- Gastroenterology Fellowship, University of Nebraska, Omaha, NE
- Gastroenterology Fellowship, Montefiore Medical Center / AECOM, Bronx, NY
- Gastroenterology Fellowship, North Shore University Hospital, Manhasset,
- Gastroenterology Fellowship, UMDNJ, Newark, NJ

Yale PC
- Emory University
- Jefferson Medical Center
- Norwalk Hospital
- Stanford University Medical Center
- University of Southern California
- Yale University
 
HarryGary said:
Didn't interview at either program, so I should have made that clear. Seems like Asthma has, so she may have better perspective. Google shows the following:

Cards:
Recent grads for Monte:
- Cardiology Fellowship, St. Luke’s-Roosevelt Medical Center, New York, NY
- Cardiology Fellowship, Montefiore Medical Center/Einstein, Bronx, NY
- Cardiology Fellowship, Mount Sinai School of Medicine, New York, NY >

Recent grads for Yale PC:
- Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center
- Boston University
- Robert Wood Johnson – UMONT
- University of Alabama
- Yale University

GI:
Monte
- Gastroenterology Fellowship, University of Nebraska, Omaha, NE
- Gastroenterology Fellowship, Montefiore Medical Center / AECOM, Bronx, NY
- Gastroenterology Fellowship, North Shore University Hospital, Manhasset,
- Gastroenterology Fellowship, UMDNJ, Newark, NJ

Yale PC
- Emory University
- Jefferson Medical Center
- Norwalk Hospital
- Stanford University Medical Center
- University of Southern California
- Yale University
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Is that a recent list? Seems very different/outdated/numerous years lumped together from the information I received at interviews. Also, I personally know of people who went on to GI at Sinai and other places in the last 2 years that are no mentioned on the list.

Just from what I've heard from people along the trail... If you are interested in doing a mostly outpatient speciality, i.e. rheum, maybe endo, then doing a primary care residency may put you at even playing field or even a step above categoricals. But for fields like GI and Cards, which have a lot of activity in the hospital, I think you are better off going with a categorical program. But thats just my 2 cents. I was also told this by an associate program director at another NYC program interview.
 
KissMyAsthma98 said:
Just from what I've heard from people along the trail... If you are interested in doing a mostly outpatient speciality, i.e. rheum, maybe endo, then doing a primary care residency may put you at even playing field or even a step above categoricals. But for fields like GI and Cards, which have a lot of activity in the hospital, I think you are better off going with a categorical program. But thats just my 2 cents. I was also told this by an associate program director at another NYC program interview.
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I have heard this too, but there is a lot of cards/gi outpatient stuff as well. Anyways, thank you guys...
 
Pea in a Pod said:
Another advice-seeking post.

Would like to go to NYC ideally. Cornell vs. Mt. Sinai? Which do I rank #1? I felt that Cornell was in a lot of transition (positive direction, which is good), while Mt. Sinai had a really strong program already in place. I don't know which to rank first!

Also on the list are UCLA, Washington University, and BIDMC. Thoughts?
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I'm with HarryGary on this, except that I'm actually a Hem/Onc fellow. I interviewed both of those places for residency (and was told I would Match to either program's integrated Research Pathway). I personally ranked MSSM #2 and Cornell #4 (matched to my #1...I needed to get the hell out of NYC).

Cornell has the name nationally. MSSM has the training (multiple hospitals including VA and County), the PD and program design to beat and an excellent regional reputation.

To be honest, you'll be fine coming out of either place no matter what you want to do. Anyone who says otherwise is either FOS or a Cornell grad.

And I'd personally rank both of those places above the others on your list. I lived in St. Louis for 5 years (and my wife is from there) and wouldn't do it again no matter how much you paid me. Besides, I personally did not fit in at all in that program. BIDMC is a good (not great) program with great connections (being part of the HMS system). UCLA is in LA...that's either a good thing or a bad thing (it's a very, very bad thing for me, YMMV of course).
 
I was hoping that someone here actually knows something about these places, so that I don't have to base my decisions on intuition alone. I would be very grateful for your take on this, guys.
 
gator2 said:
I was hoping that someone here actually knows something about these places, so that I don't have to base my decisions on intuition alone. I would be very grateful for your take on this, guys.
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We have a "help me rank" thread.

Ironically, you'll be going with your gut making your list anyway.
 
jdh71 said:
We have a "help me rank" thread.

Ironically, you'll be going with your gut making your list anyway.
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And now it's moved there.

And I agree...lots of people know things about those programs but we're all lacking one very critical piece of information...how you feel about them. UTSW is far and away the "best" program on that list and Drexel is probably the worst. The rest "rank" right about even with each other. Otherwise, go with your gut. It's probably more correct for you than a bunch of random jerks on the intarwubs.
 
As a current PGY-1 at Brown, I just wanted to make a plug for my program. Our fellowship matches are actually quite good, but for reasons I can't fathom, the match list that our program publishes doesn't reflect this well. Supposedly, our PDs are working on a website redesign, and this will be fixed at some point, but in the meanwhile, the match list that is published on our website is incomplete at best. For one thing, it doesn't reflect the very large number of residents who choose to do a hospitalist year or two before applying. For another, there are some great matches that just aren't on the list. For example, one of our PGY-3s is heading to Mayo clinic for cards next year; another to UCLA for Pulm/CC. Neither of these are listed on the current website. Lastly, I think compared to a lot of other NE programs, a disproportionate number of our residents opt either not to pursue fellowship or to pursue less competitive fellowships such as ID. This also makes our match list look "weaker" than some other programs, but really it just reflects the character of our program, which is that we tend to attract people with a diversity of interests, ranging from those on the track to an academic career in cards, to people who want to do primary care or a non-academic specialty career. As a general rule, I can state that most of our residents get their first choice for fellowship. Beyond that, I think that we get excellent clinical training, have awesome program directors, and are a pretty happy group as a whole.

On some more general advice, I'd say that at most university programs, the options are going to be there for anyone who is a good resident and takes advantage of the opportunities given to them. SDN encourages an environment of endlessly ranking the bejeesus out of every program, as if it were really possible to identify a "best" program in any given list. Most of the programs being mentioned on this thread will give you solid clinical training and lots of options for different career paths once you finish, so don't get too hung up on their "rank". Rather, pursue the programs that you feel fit you well, and you'll end up happier and better trained for it. The career stuff will work itself out wherever you go if you put in the appropriate effort.
 
Hi, I am interested in cardiology. Can anyone help me rank those?

U Toledo
Texas Tech (Lubbock)
U Miss (Columbia)
Albert Einstien medical center, Philly
LSU (Shreveport)

Thanks
 
Along the same lines, how would you rank these programs for Hem/Onc?

University of Rochester
UPMC
Tufts
Dartmouth
UMinn
UMass

Thanks!
 
What order would you put these in? I am interested in pursuing a cardiology fellowship later.


Temple
Drexel
AE / Philly
Montefiore
Einstein Jacobi
UMDNJ /Newark
St. Lukes - Roosevelt
Beth Israel
Lennox Hill
SUNY Downstate
UCONN
Maimonides
Penn State (Hershey)
Stony Brook
 
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PEG20K said:
Along the same lines, how would you rank these programs for Hem/Onc?

University of Rochester
UPMC
Tufts
Dartmouth
UMinn
UMass

Thanks!
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Rochester is a surprisingly good interview. Very academic place with a tradition of producing academic leaders. One of the points they made was that the deans of harvard, stanford, and hopkins all trained there at one point in their career. It's in a terrible location though. Also I don't know how they do for hem onc.

I'd put Pitt at their level, but with more of a national name.

Tufts, dartmouth, umass below them. I have no idea about UMinn, but if you like the mid-west it's probably great.
 
PEG20K said:
Along the same lines, how would you rank these programs for Hem/Onc?

University of Rochester
UPMC
Tufts
Dartmouth
UMinn
UMass

Thanks!
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I'd split them into 2 groups of essentially equal strength:

UPMC
Dartmouth
UMinn
Rochester
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Tufts
UMass
(Not actually hating on Mass. here, just the way it fell out)
 
Resident2011 said:
Hi, I am interested in cardiology. Can anyone help me rank those?

U Toledo
Texas Tech (Lubbock)
U Miss (Columbia)
Albert Einstien medical center, Philly
LSU (Shreveport)

Thanks
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I can't see why one place on this list would be any better for a cards shot.

Is that the main LSU program? Because if it is it goes at the top of that list, and then the rest as you like them. Be good a good resident and you've still got a good shot at landing a cards spot.
 
Marianne11 said:
How would you rank the following:

U Nevada
UTMB
JFK (U Miami Atlantis)
USF (Tampa)
Mt. Sinai (Miami)
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Almost missed this one. Aren't you the first class from your med school? It kind of sucks, but it makes you an unknown entity. Probably UTMB or USF at the top of that list, the rest as you like.
 
PEG20K said:
Along the same lines, how would you rank these programs for Hem/Onc?

University of Rochester
UPMC
Tufts
Dartmouth
UMinn
UMass

Thanks!
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I don't know about a heme/onc rank, but I like

1)Pitt = Minn (whichever is one the other is two)
3)Dartmouth
4)Rochester (I will aknowledge some regional bias, but no one really knows about Rochester outside of the NE)
5)And then the rest as you like
 
A little help with my list, I'm thinking nephrology or Hem/Onc:

Dartmouth
Umass
Vermont
Tufts
Brown
Yale-Primary Care
NYU
Colorado
Georgetown
JHU-bayview

Thanks
 
Hi all, first time poster, long time reader.

Wondering about my rank list in order of prestige, fellowship chances, etc. I'm not sure what I want to go into but thinking either Cardiology or H/O. Cheers.

Michigan (I feel this is #1, but I don't think I'll get in, so need help on rest)
Emory
UTSW
UVA
Baylor
UPitt
Boston

Def can't figure out #2-#6 😕
 
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