*~*~*~*Official TMDSAS Questions Thread 2016-2017*~*~*~*

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quick question, I know TMDSAS is relatively inexpensive to apply to. It is worth applying as an NJ resident with a 3.83/508? Or are my stats too low for it to be worth it? Thank you!
I know a guy who applied OOS two years ago with a >99th percentile MCAT and 3.8+ GPA who got an interview but didn't get accepted to a Texas school. If you don't have a compelling reason to come to Texas or some ECs that set you apart, it's probably a waste of your money. But it is pretty cheap, so it wouldn't be a huge deal if you take the chance and don't get accepted.
 
I know the main post says to list all shadowing experiences together. I have a lot of different doctors that I shadowed, but for few hours each. There's no way I could possibly fit all of their names and specialties into 300 characters. Is it best to list each doctor separately then?

Also, for those who have/are filling out both TMDSAS and AMCAS, how are you handling the 300 char vs 700 char activity description difference? I've read for AMCAS we should be stating what we did along with what we got out of it, but I feel like this kind of detail is really difficult in only 300 characters for TMDSAS. Any advice?
 
Per the TMDSAS Website:
"06.10.2016:Current processing times:
Applications: currently processing applications submitted on June 1st.
Transcripts: currently processing transcripts received on May 31st.
Letters of Evaluation: currently processing LOEs received on June 9th. "

Chill out.

Lol, I am relaxed. I was wondering how long the wait is... just like how you ask how long the wait is when you go to a busy restaurant... But thanks for the response, I did not know you could find this info on their website
 
Anyone else applying while working a full time job? I feel like there's just so little time to work on things and I'm just trying to keep up with the supposed 2 week secondary rule.
 
Have any of you found any Twitter accounts for the meds schools that tweet out interesting things/dates for applicants? For example, Dell has a great one. @DellMedSchool


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Please use the TMDSAS Application site as your first resource for questions. The website has a list of FAQ's and plenty of other information. http://www.utsystem.edu/tmdsas/medical/homepage.html


TMDSAS Activities FAQ:

Available categories
(http://www.tmdsas.com/medical/section_Overview.html)
ACADEMIC RECOGNITION
NON-ACADEMIC RECOGNITION
LEADERSHIP
EMPLOYMENT
RESEARCH ACTIVITIES
HEALTHCARE ACTIVITIES
COMMUNITY SERVICE
EXTRACURRICULAR & LEISURE ACTIVITIES
PLANNED ACTIVITIES


1) Should I write descriptions in narrative or bullet form?

They say either list or paragraph is fine. But as far as formatting goes in TMDSAS activity section, you will see that when you hit save, the listed items are strung together one after another (instead of each in separate lines). Many write in paragraphs because of this formatting issue to make it more readable. Be cautious if you want to use bullets (or hyphens in their place).

2) If there's a significant non-medical volunteer experience I did back in High School for 4 years, can I include it on my application?
Some don't think your application should include activities that occurred before your college freshman year. Maybe bring it up in a "why do you want to be a doctor," Secondary, or interview.

3) Should I list all my shadowing together?
Yes, but if it doesn’t fit gracefully into the 300 space limit, list the experiences separately.

4) If I had multiple leadership positions within an organization, do I list them separately on the TMDSAS? (ex: entry 1- VP of Org X, then separate entry 2 for Pres of Org X)
Yes, as long as each leadership role required uniquely different components.

5) For an award that I have received multiple times (Dean's List) should I list it every time I earned it since it shows up on my transcript as well multiple times?
Put it once and say earned x number of times, or list separately.

6) Where do you put publications, under Research Experiences? Do you just paste the citation into the description?
You could just put the citation but if you can fit in a short description about what you did, include that.

7) What if I have multiple publications?
If possible, put multiple publications under one entry for research with a 1 for the hours. As 300 chars aren’t enough for full citations one can abbreviate which author spot, the journal, and the year published (TMDSAS was called and the lady mentioned this would be fine).

8) My research lab is working on a publication for the next school year. I have the citation, so should I put this in the "planned activities" section?
The perfect place to put this.

9) If I have a recurring volunteer experience that happens every winter break for the past 4 winter breaks, should I separate them into four entries or just clump them into one entry? If I clump them into one entry, do I just put down the dates for one and the total hours for one? Or do I put down total hours over 4 winters for cumulative?
You could do either, one would probably put it in one, combine the hours, and mention how this was done every winter break as well as information about it (if you can fit it).

10) I already put under my medical volunteering section that I plan to continue a volunteer activity indefinitely, but should I also put it in again under future activities?
Treat each section as a stand-alone section. An interviewer should be able to look at the Planned Activities section and know everything you are going participate in during the foreseeable future. One person calling TMDSAS reported they said, "For the planned activity you should enter the start date as today and it should be up to the date of med school matriculation."

11) I understand that for the PLANNED ACTIVITIES section, it's okay to list all of your continued activities even if you previously indicated in another section that they would run until May 2015 or whatever. Because each activity may fit the criteria for different categories (ex. community service AND leadership), which category would I select for that activity in the planned activities section? Do I make two nearly identical planned activities (one labeled community service and the other labeled leadership), or do I simply choose the most appropriate category?
List it under the most appropriate category, but write the description in such a way that the reader would infer it falls under both. It shouldn’t be a problem if you list it twice though.

12) For the optional essays, is it better to fill out one versus not filling any of them out? I have a unique experience of being chosen to go to Washington DC for a conference as the only student from Texas attending. However, I read that essay is only for hardships and things of that nature. Is that true, or is my idea fine for that essay?
Definitely write the essay as you're thinking. It's always a good idea to write the essays in the first place, especially considering that several TX schools have no Secondaries. Take every chance you're given to sell yourself. As for your specific idea, this is an opinion: don't read any subtext into the prompt. It asks for "unique circumstances or life experiences" that would provide the schools with a "broader picture of who you are". Your idea sounds like it fits the bill.

13) If the date range for a particular activity spans into the future, do they want us to list completed hours + projected hours under Total Cumulative Hours or do we just list the hours we have completed thus far? For example:

Date Range: September 2013-June 2015
September 2013-Present: 100 hours completed
Present-June 2015: 100 hours projected

Total Cumulative Hours = 200 or 100


TMDSAS, when called, said if the date range spans into the future, one should include projected hours in the Total Cumulative Hours.

14) After I typed up all my activities, I created the chronology of activities. It is all correct, but the description was cut off due to 50 characters limit. Do we need to fix this in the chronology of activities itself or is this ok?
TMDSAS was called and they said to leave it truncated.


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TMDSAS General FAQ


1) Can I add more schools after I submit? Yes, but not via the application - you have to send an email to TMDSAS or go through the application's internal messaging system. The request must be received by the application deadline. Include your full name, TMDSAS ID and list the schools you would like added to your application. This can be done anytime until September 30th. (further reading: https://www.tmdsas.com/frwqAskedQ/02-ChangingYourApp.html)

2) Can I change a letter writer if necessary? Yes, you can change your letter writer. Per TMDSAS website:

"We understand that evaluators may change. You MUST update TMDSAS of an evaluator change immediately.

Once you have secured a different evaluator, please notify TMDSAS of the new evaluator. To make this change, email [email protected] . Include your full name, TMDSAS ID and the name of the evaluator that needs to be removed. Provide the following information for the evaluator that should be added:

Salutation (i.e. Dr, Prof, Mr, Mrs, etc.)
First name of Evaluator
Last name of Evaluator
Suffix (i.e. MD, PhD, etc.)
Relationship to you (Academic Advisor, HP Advisor, Professor, Business Associate, Work/Volunteer Supervisor, Other)
Letter delivery method (upload directly to TMDAS or through Interfolio)
Email address of evaluator if he/she will upload directly to TMDSAS"

3) How accurately does the "what schools on AMCAS are you applying to?" have to be on the TMDSAS? Not very, but be aware that interviewers can see your list.

4) What are "minor traffic violations"?

Minor traffic violations are those offenses not subject to a jail sentence. Types of minor traffic violations include speeding, failure to wear a seat belt, illegal parking, failure to stop, driving with an expired or invalid driver license that has not been suspended or revoked, and disobeying traffic lights signs or signals.

Examples of violations of law not considered minor traffic violations are: driving while intoxicated (DWI), driving under the influence (DUI), driving while license is suspended (DWLS), failure to appear (FTA), reckless driving, open container, and assault with a motor vehicle. These types of violations must be reported on your application.

5) Can you explain the Texas acceptance/match setup? TMDSAS opens in early May. Texas schools begin offering interviews in late June to early August (it varies). Interviews are handed out until around November or maybe December. No in-state acceptances are offered until November 15th, which is the beginning of the "pre-match period" that continues until December 31st. At this time, admissions are rolling. Applicants are permitted to hold as many prematch offers as they receive and continue interviewing elsewhere if you have more interviews lined up, but are encouraged to withdraw from any school they are sure they don't want to attend. You are permitted to keep all of these offers until the match. By a day in January (the 21st I think?) you are required to rank all schools you've interviewed at (they appear in a window on TMDSAS) in order of preference. On February 1st, a computer automatically matches candidates to their highest ranked school that gave them an acceptance, and auto-withdraws them from lower ranked schools, according to an algorithm. If you were holding multiple offers, you are thus withdrawn from schools you ranked lower. If you didn't have an offer, you have a chance to match to a school that didn't offer you yet. Interviewees who didn't match are put on waitlists if deemed "acceptable", and may or may not be told their position on the waitlist. After this point, based on any further movement of the classes (particularly from students withdrawing after picking up an OOS acceptance) acceptances are once again given out on a rolling basis. You can technically still pick up an acceptance until classes begin in late August (early September?), but it's considered rare for this to happen after May 15th.

If you do receive a match on Match Day, you cannot be pulled off the waitlist at any TMDSAS school past June 1. Only students who did not match anywhere can still be accepted after that date.

6) How do I enter in a zero credit class (or a W or an Audit)? TMDSAS won't let me enter 0 for credit hours. The 0 credit hour courses do not affect GPA whatsoever, so just leave them out, even though they show up on your transcript. Alternatively, if you enter a 1, TMDSAS will correct them when they verify your official transcript.

7) Is Pre-Calculus included in the BCMP GPA? Even though all math other than Calculus and Statistics are categorized as Other Science, it is still included in the BCPM GPA, per a call by gonnif to TMDSAS.


If you have FAQ's you would like posted, feel free to send me a PM with the question and answer.
What do you put if you dont know the contact person for an activity (Club, shadowing, ect)?
 
Submitted (fully complete) 6/8 - patiently waiting 🙂. Looks like they are processing apps submitted June 2nd.

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This may seem like a funky question but bear with me here; how important is the actual description of our activities vs the actual activities themselves?
Let me give an example: Shadowing a physician for x# of hours - is it sufficient to say "I observed Dr. Doctorpants, a radioactive radiologist of radiology, for 10000 hours" or do they want us to give a thoughtful expression on our experiences? Obviously, the latter seems more appealing, but they only give us 300 characters. That really only gives room for a half-ass reflection, which seems counterproductive.
And what I mainly mean to ask by this is, if an adcom doesn't really like our descriptions all that much how negatively will it affect the overall app? Vise versa, how much will perfect descriptions elevate our application?
Sorry for the convoluted question, but as I'm sure most of you are, I'm stressing lol
Thanks!
 
What do I do if I can't fit entire name of research activity into the space provided?
 
If I attended a high school that was part of a community college. I already listed it in the high school portion, so would I have to list the community college in the colleges attended section?
 
If I attended a high school that was part of a community college. I already listed it in the high school portion, so would I have to list the community college in the colleges attended section?
That is correct! If in doubt, shoot them an email to hear from the horse's mouth.
 
Anyone know if the Texas schools can check with each other to see if you wrote the same response for the secondaries of separate schools? Repeating the UTSW one on my Lubbock one
 
Anyone know if the Texas schools can check with each other to see if you wrote the same response for the secondaries of separate schools? Repeating the UTSW one on my Lubbock one
I seriously doubt it; different schools. It's not a bad thing either, surely... how could your response change to the same questions ? (I haven't seen UTSW secondary, just guessing).

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Submitted (fully complete) 6/8 - patiently waiting 🙂. Looks like they are processing apps submitted June 2nd.

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Fully completed today (MCAT sent yesterday). No word from them at all, except that they got my secondary. Not even a peep about the primary app!
 
Fully completed today (MCAT sent yesterday). No word from them at all, except that they got my secondary. Not even a peep about the primary app!
Hey, so this link gives you a timeline of when you will be processed. I've been watching and they are moving up by 1-2 days at a time. I paid and was fully submitted 6/8.

As of now:
"06.16.2016: Current processing times:
Applications: currently processing applications submitted on June 5th.
Transcripts: currently processing transcripts received on June 7th
Letters of Evaluation: currently processing LOEs received on June 16th. "


https://www.tmdsas.com/

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Are you trolling or spamming... can't really tell :spam:
Haha! Just realized I posted this to the tmdsas thread instead of utsw. Didn't mean to confuse anyone. I'm officially complete with tmdsas as of yesterday with the submission of mcat scores.
 
Haha! Just realized I posted this to the tmdsas thread instead of utsw. Didn't mean to confuse anyone. I'm officially complete with tmdsas as of yesterday with the submission of mcat scores.
lol I thought so too 😀
 
I don't have my MCAT score yet and I don't know if I will need/not need to retake.

Should I "Add a Future MCAT Test Date" just in case and take it out if I get a favorable score (if I can) or...?

I'm ready to submit this ish!!!!!!
 
I don't have my MCAT score yet and I don't know if I will need/not need to retake.

Should I "Add a Future MCAT Test Date" just in case and take it out if I get a favorable score (if I can) or...?

I'm ready to submit this ish!!!!!!

You can go back in and add future dates after you submit. If you think your application is ready, then submit.
 
I don't have my MCAT score yet and I don't know if I will need/not need to retake.

Should I "Add a Future MCAT Test Date" just in case and take it out if I get a favorable score (if I can) or...?

I'm ready to submit this ish!!!!!!
Most schools will not consider your app complete until they have all the MCAT scores in, which includes the future MCAT tests. Good Luck!
 
Hi guys, I'm waiting for TMDSAS to process my LOR. It says pending still, but it's sent through Interfolio. Am I able to submit it right now or am I suppose to wait until that part's done?
 
Hi guys, I'm waiting for TMDSAS to process my LOR. It says pending still, but it's sent through Interfolio. Am I able to submit it right now or am I suppose to wait until that part's done?
You can submit it. Don't wait since the processing times are getting longer. You can see the current processing times on their website: https://www.tmdsas.com/
 
Just to clarify. I sent in 3 LORs through interfolio and in the same day they said "received/approved". Is that it? I don't understand these processing delay times.


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Just to clarify. I sent in 3 LORs through interfolio and in the same day they said "received/approved". Is that it? I don't understand these processing delay times.


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Yea LORs through Interfolio get processed pretty quickly. Mine processed like an hour after I sent mine in. You can see the processing times on the TMDSAS website too:

06.17.2016:Current processing times:
Applications: currently processing applications submitted on June 6th.
Transcripts
: currently processing transcripts received on June 8th
Letters of Evaluation: currently processing LOEs received on June 16th.
 
So TMDSAS has 3 essays.

Essay 1: PS

Essay 2: Educational Diversity

Essay 3 (optional): Unique life experiences not addressed anywhere on my app

So I did essays 1 and 2 and had my pre health adviser look at them. He said they were great and we made a few edits, etc. then he said I'm good to go. He told me not to do essay 3 because essay 3 is usually reserved for like something crazy/sad to explain aberrations in my application. Plus, I literally don't have any unique life experiences. I had a friend echo the same sentiment, as he did not do the essay and got 4 II's/2 acceptances this past cycle. That being said, I submitted without doing it. I don't have any unique life experiences not addressed anywhere else on the app anyways. Like I would have been stumped.

Now I'm having other friends saying that was a dumb move..and now I feel like ish. Did I screw up my app by not doing an "optional" essay?

Otherwise, my numbers are fine. 3.87 cGPA, 3.83 sGPA, 509 MCAT, 600 or so clinical hours, strong LORs/PS, 3000 hours research, employment throughout college, recipient of prestigious scholarships, gap year job right now doing research at a medical school
 
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prepping to take the MCAT right now. I have my tmdsas finished but not submitted bc I don't want to mess around with secondaries right now. Should I submit anyways and then submit my secondaries in a month?
 
So TMDSAS has 3 essays.

Essay 1: PS

Essay 2: Educational Diversity

Essay 3 (optional): Unique life experiences not addressed anywhere on my app

So I did essays 1 and 2 and had my pre health adviser look at them. He said they were great and we made a few edits, etc. then he said I'm good to go. He told me not to do essay 3 because essay 3 is usually reserved for like something crazy/sad to explain aberrations in my application. Plus, I literally don't have any unique life experiences. I had a friend echo the same sentiment, as he did not do the essay and got 4 II's/2 acceptances this past cycle. That being said, I submitted without doing it. I don't have any unique life experiences not addressed anywhere else on the app anyways. Like I would have been stumped.

Now I'm having other friends saying that was a dumb move..and now I feel like ish. Did I screw up my app by not doing an "optional" essay?

Otherwise, my numbers are fine. High GPA, high sGPA, >508 MCAT, 600 or so clinical hours, strong LORs/PS, 3000 hours research, employment throughout college, recipient of prestigious scholarships

I think this is a tough question to give a definitive answer for without getting a direct quote from an adcom, but as someone else said on your thread, optional is optional. Unfortunately, it's been submitted, so there's not much you can do about it now :/
 
prepping to take the MCAT right now. I have my tmdsas finished but not submitted bc I don't want to mess around with secondaries right now. Should I submit anyways and then submit my secondaries in a month?
It takes time to transmit the apps, so submit now, so you aren't stuck waiting a while when your mcat is done.
 
So TMDSAS has 3 essays.

Essay 1: PS

Essay 2: Educational Diversity

Essay 3 (optional): Unique life experiences not addressed anywhere on my app

So I did essays 1 and 2 and had my pre health adviser look at them. He said they were great and we made a few edits, etc. then he said I'm good to go. He told me not to do essay 3 because essay 3 is usually reserved for like something crazy/sad to explain aberrations in my application. Plus, I literally don't have any unique life experiences. I had a friend echo the same sentiment, as he did not do the essay and got 4 II's/2 acceptances this past cycle. That being said, I submitted without doing it. I don't have any unique life experiences not addressed anywhere else on the app anyways. Like I would have been stumped.

Now I'm having other friends saying that was a dumb move..and now I feel like ish. Did I screw up my app by not doing an "optional" essay?

Otherwise, my numbers are fine. High GPA, high sGPA, >508 MCAT, 600 or so clinical hours, strong LORs/PS, 3000 hours research, employment throughout college, recipient of prestigious scholarships

You should have written one, but your stats are superb. I wouldn't worry. I wrote it on stuff I touched on in my personal statement, but didn't get a chance to expand on. I think the essay can be about anything you want, even a meaningful hobby you have. That's just my opinion and I would have gladly written it on one of my hobbies if I had to submitted two.
 
Hi y'all, two questions:

1. I received two secondaries on Thursday and Monday, respectively. I'm currently traveling with some access to wifi but very limited computer access to sit down and write secondaries till I'm back home on July 11th. How much will it hurt if I don't get these secondaries back in till mid-July?

2. If my application was submitted to schools last week, when can I expect more secondaries to start rolling in? I'm complete, LORs and all.

Thanks!
 
Hi y'all, two questions:

1. I received two secondaries on Thursday and Monday, respectively. I'm currently traveling with some access to wifi but very limited computer access to sit down and write secondaries till I'm back home on July 11th. How much will it hurt if I don't get these secondaries back in till mid-July?

2. If my application was submitted to schools last week, when can I expect more secondaries to start rolling in? I'm complete, LORs and all.

Thanks!

1. This will make a difference in your application because you will miss a few rounds of IIs. They don't consider you for IIs until everything is complete. How much of a difference depends on how strong of an applicant you are. If you are a strong applicant, it'll likely make a small difference. If you are on the border, this could make the difference between getting in and not.

2. Just depends on the school. Most schools send a confirmation within a week or two that they received your primary and inform you about the secondary. Other schools (like UTMB and TAMU), I haven't heard anything. Although UTMB doesn't have a secondary and TAMU's secondary is online and you can go ahead and access it.
 
No tie in my TMDSAS photo, submitted so it's too late. Wore a dress shirt, combed my hair, and stood behind a wall. Am I ****ed?
 
No tie in my TMDSAS photo, submitted so it's too late. Wore a dress shirt, combed my hair, and stood behind a wall. Am I ****ed?

Don't think schools would reject you for not wearing a tie.
 
No tie in my TMDSAS photo, submitted so it's too late. Wore a dress shirt, combed my hair, and stood behind a wall. Am I ****ed?

Don't think schools would reject you for not wearing a tie.
I didn't wear a tie. This is the first time I've thought about that photo since I uploaded it.

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This is a little silly, but should we write the description of our activities in past tense or present tense? And does it matter if it's in 1st or 3rd person? (Sorry, perhaps I'm just way over thinking this :/ )
 
This is a little silly, but should we write the description of our activities in past tense or present tense? And does it matter if it's in 1st or 3rd person? (Sorry, perhaps I'm just way over thinking this :/ )

I talked about previous activities in past tense, current activities in present tense, and future activities in future tense. I also used 1st person to describe my involvement. It probably doesn't matter, but I just felt like it was more personal.
 
I submitted my app already, but now I will apply to AACOMAS for DO schools. Do I contact the adminstrator at TMDSAS to change?
 
I submitted my app already, but now I will apply to AACOMAS for DO schools. Do I contact the adminstrator at TMDSAS to change?
Change what? Where you list the other schools you are applying to?

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Is teaching (unpaid) considered leadership? Not sure where to put it. Dumb question time! Can you get started on secondaries for the schools that have automatic ones before I'm complete with TMDSAS? Like utsw etc?
 
Hey guys,

I feel as if I just made the dumbest mistake ever on my TMDSAS personal statement. I incorrectly typed in the date for something as January 2012 when it should have been January 2013... This was after proofing the essay about 9-10 times (mostly looking for grammar and content - not dates).

I am pretty frustrated at the moment. I understand that once the application is submitted, there is nothing that can be done to change the essays. Am I out of luck here? Is there anything I can do to resolve this?

Thanks in advance.
 
Hey guys,

I feel as if I just made the dumbest mistake ever on my TMDSAS personal statement. I incorrectly typed in the date for something as January 2012 when it should have been January 2013... This was after proofing the essay about 9-10 times (mostly looking for grammar and content - not dates).

I am pretty frustrated at the moment. I understand that once the application is submitted, there is nothing that can be done to change the essays. Am I out of luck here? Is there anything I can do to resolve this?

Thanks in advance.

Nope, nothing you can do. Pretty sure adcoms won't give a ****, assuming they notice.
 
Change what? Where you list the other schools you are applying to?

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yeah, this question:

"
Have you applied or do you intend to apply to any Non-TMDSAS medical, dental, or veterinary schools for entry year 2017? *
"

I'm at work, so I'll probably call them Monday when I'm off anyway. I decided to apply to a few DO schools that doesn't need a second science LOR. There's a few of them out there!
 
yeah, this question:

"
Have you applied or do you intend to apply to any Non-TMDSAS medical, dental, or veterinary schools for entry year 2017? *
"

I'm at work, so I'll probably call them Monday when I'm off anyway. I decided to apply to a few DO schools that doesn't need a second science LOR. There's a few of them out there!
Ahh, i gotcha. Yeah I would call. They only take this information for statistics (i believe).

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Hey guys, got some random questions here:
1) How long after an application is reviewed can you "expect" an II (assuming you're a viable applicant)?
2) When is the earliest schools can start sending II to applicants?
3) I'm applying while in an SMP program, is this going to greatly affect my own personal timeline? As in, will schools hold off on II to monitor grades that they would have otherwise given me if I was not in the program? (I know, kinda of a strange question)
Thanks!
 
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