Sure. 2.9/507 MCAT
I was wondering if you guys thought I had any chance of getting into PCOM biomedical sciences program for the fall of 2018.
My Stats:
cGPA: 2.87
GPA over the past 2 years: 3.08
MCAT: 492 (retaking)
I have made significant progress over the last 2 semesters, making deans list. Do I have a shot?
I got rejected by LECOM Bradenton. Not sure about Erie yet.
I received my acceptance last Friday for GA campus! I hope to see some of you there! Anybody make a Facebook page?
same here....not too sure whats taking so long for a decision from erie. i submitted my app in november :/
EAPoetic posted this earlier in this thread.
[Per their website:
"All application materials for both Philadelphia and PCOM–Georgia campus applicants should be forwarded to:
Philadelphia College of Osteopathic Medicine
4170 City Avenue
Philadelphia, PA 19131"]
It was also sent to you in the email PCOM sent after submitting the application
Hey guys. Does anyone know if there is a facebook page for accepted students for the Philadelphia campus?
Tons of people (I’m at the GA location)do you guys know anybody that got in with GRE scores?
Tons of people (I’m at the GA location)
Tons of people (I’m at the GA location)
I applied to this program with hopes of taking advantage of the conditional admittance policy, which seems to be new. Does anyone know if meeting these criteria at the Philadelphia campus would allow for/translate to a conditional admittance to the Philadelphia campus specifically? Or do these criteria potentially only work for the Georgia campus? I am from the Philadelphia region and was recently accepted to the Biomed program at Philadelphia, so would obviously like to continue in the DO program at the Philadelphia campus.
Thanks!
hey can you direct message me too... philly is the campus i want to be atThank you! I direct messaged you!
Do not go here! As a current biomed at the GA campus who will be attending another DO program in the fall I can attest that this program is all about making money for PCOM. They don't care about you. They want you to fail and never ever set foot into their DO program. I did fairly well in the first semester and was offered a guaranteed interview to both campuses but its a joke, its nothing but a hold on your application till you pay them tuition. Instead of telling me straight up that they want me to finish their useless program and earn a meaningless piece of paper("Certificate") to enter the DO program they are keeping me in limbo and putting me on "hold" for spring grades. LOL. I believe I have the credentials to enter a DO program based on my merits from Undergrad(4 other interviews and 2 other acceptances) but they refuse to evaluate you based on your undergrad credentials and only want you to finish 1 if not both the years of the meaningless masters program to enter the DO program. The masters program is unorganized and taught extremely poorly and a fair amount of the class has failed out(more ways for PCOM to make money). It is unreasonably hard for a biomed program and maintaining a 3.0 without dropping a few courses is next to impossible. There are many other significantly better programs out there at both MD and DO schools(i.e. LECOM, LMU) which actually care about thier students and want them to succeed. PCOM has enough qualified applicants each cycle that they do everything in their power to fail out the biomed students and keep them from getting in to their program. Going for this program is a huge risk. It will not boost your gpa for other med schools, you can FAIL out and it will set you back years in your medical school pursuit.
why would you do another masters? You will murder it for sure, but waste 30k. If your MCAT is holding you back, might as well just spend months studying to bring it up.Could anyone provide perspectives on their experiences at the Philadelphia campus biomed program? I am drawn to this program due to its conditional acceptance given you have a 3.2 science gpa (calculated by aacomas), 3.3 biomed gpa, and other criteria which I feel are all reasonable for myself to accomplish. I have a strong background in many of the courses (gross anatomy, histology and some others) having completed those courses during my master's program in anatomy of which I earned a 3.8 gpa in.
you will likely do well in the program. Anatomy and histology are done together I believe in 1 semester. Don't know about their conditional acceptance policy, but if its true then sounds pretty strong.Like I said though in my first message, I wasn’t so much asking for anyone’s opinion on my application specifically. I am asking for current or former students’ perspectives on the program itself. Thanks!
As a current student at GA-Pcom in the biomed program I don’t think anyone can say that you will absolutely do great in the biomed program. The first year is tedious. You will have to work your butt off to make B’s. This is much more of a weed out program than a gpa boosting masters program that will help you get into medical school. It’s basically a program for PCOM to lure students like you to make money! DO NOT do the program. Based on your stats(mcat and gpa) you seem like you are a strong enough applicant to not be in the biomed program. I was in th exact same situation as you this year and thought the same thing. i.e that joining the program will help be get the conditional acceptance, well it doesn’t. I did well my first semester and they gave me a garunteed interview which is joke and nothing more than a hold on my application till I recieve my spring grades in June. They didn’t even bother to offer me the conditional acceptance. By June the DO class is full and I would need a miracle to get in and more than likely need to apply the next cycle if I want to go to pcom. They want you to finish both the years if you want to go to pcom. They will do everything to keep you in the biomed program and they refuse to evaluate you based on your undergrad credentials. I ended up quitting the program since I got 2 other DO acceptances. Also the Biomed program at GA is taught extremely poorly and almost half the class has dropped out. They want you to fail. Don’t make the mistake I did. Just get a job in healthcare and apply early and broadly to pcom as well as other DO programs! Don’t tie yourself with this program and add on more debt!My mcat is a 505 — not planning to retake, nor do I think it necessarily held me back this cycle, or would next. I’m not planning to ‘do another masters.’ Just planned to complete the first year courses, I.e. earn only the certificate, and do well to secure the conditional acceptance. In terms of finances, tuition is 24k and I plan to live at my parents house close to pcom, so wouldn’t have to take loans for cost of living. But I agree, more debt is less than ideal. However, I would rather secure a spot in the 2023 class rather than hang in limbo and potentially reapply with very similar stats as I had this year, with possibly a similar results of no interviews.
Thank you for the feedback. I understand the negative opinions surrounding the Georgia campus biomed. program. I'm sorry to hear that it has been an unfavorable experience for you.
In response to your advice on my application for the upcoming cycle: I've already been through that rodeo, my friend. I completed my two-year master's degree as I mentioned (this past June) and have been working full-time as a research project manager at an MD school on a study which has afforded me two publications. I have also taught anatomy in-lab to medical students throughout the year, as I did throughout my master's program. I proactively included all of these experiences in my MD and DO applications for this cycle and received not one interview to the ~25 schools I applied to. So, I really would feel uncomfortable moving forward with the same exact strategy, with virtually the same application, although I have had a very productive year.
I do know, however, that there are substantial differences in the GA-PCOM biomed curriculum as compared to that of the PA-PCOM biomed. Can anyone from the Philadelphia campus speak to the success of current/former students matriculating into the DO program after completing only the first year of the biomed program? I'm struggling to understand why PCOM would post criteria for a conditional acceptance after the first year (screenshot included in my last post) if they simply wouldn't entertain following through on a student that performs to that level. I understand bizarre things happen, but it seems a little far-fetched that they would disregard those criteria simply to string a student along throughout year 2 of the biomed program.
Do not go here! As a current biomed at the GA campus who will be attending another DO program in the fall I can attest that this program is all about making money for PCOM. They don't care about you. They want you to fail and never ever set foot into their DO program. I did fairly well in the first semester and was offered a guaranteed interview to both campuses but its a joke, its nothing but a hold on your application till you pay them tuition. Instead of telling me straight up that they want me to finish their useless program and earn a meaningless piece of paper("Certificate") to enter the DO program they are keeping me in limbo and putting me on "hold" for spring grades. LOL. I believe I have the credentials to enter a DO program based on my merits from Undergrad(4 other interviews and 2 other acceptances) but they refuse to evaluate you based on your undergrad credentials and only want you to finish 1 if not both the years of the meaningless masters program to enter the DO program. The masters program is unorganized and taught extremely poorly and a fair amount of the class has failed out(more ways for PCOM to make money). It is unreasonably hard for a biomed program and maintaining a 3.0 without dropping a few courses is next to impossible. There are many other significantly better programs out there at both MD and DO schools(i.e. LECOM, LMU) which actually care about thier students and want them to succeed. PCOM has enough qualified applicants each cycle that they do everything in their power to fail out the biomed students and keep them from getting in to their program. Going for this program is a huge risk. It will not boost your gpa for other med schools, you can FAIL out and it will set you back years in your medical school pursuit.
Just so that I follow this, are you saying that the school tries to string you along so that you are forced to complete a second year and then have nothing to show for it when you’re done? Is this common only at the Suwanee campus or both? How large is the first year class at PCOM-GA (and Philly), and how many traditionally move on to med school after the first year? I’ve applied to both MS programs as well as LECOM and Nova.
Thanks- I didn’t express the right words. It’s not that you would come out of the program with nothing to show for it, but if the goal is to get accepted into PCOM, and you spent two years with the hope that you would have a much better chance of getting in (ideally during the first year), it seems like it’s a big (and expensive) gamble to do this program without having a reasonable shot at getting into their medical school.After 2 years, you get a masters. You will have something to show for it. I think what they are trying to say is that you don't automatically get into their medical school after a year or two. But the conditional acceptance is new so they may not have been around for that. Therefore, if you meet the criteria, you are in. I don't think they are forcing you to stay a second year but many students in this program do not have strong enough stats to get into med school the first time around. I can see why they would want to see 2 years worth of advanced classes. They want to see if you can handle the workload. I know some who have gone to med school after the first year (at GA and PA). It is not easy by any means. But tbh, if you thought any masters would be easy, you are only fooling yourself.
Hey, I've applied to the GA-campus back in Dec 11th and had all my documents submitted by Dec 18th and I still haven't heard back from admissions. I'm starting to get concerned. Anyone else still waiting for a response? They seem to be really slow with the process. Someone from admissions contacted me 2 weeks ago about a prerequisite course that I needed, and then just stopped replying after a few back and forth emails regarding equivalent coursework. I have tried emailing them again and making a phone call, but I have received no responses. It's also stressing me out.
Got an interview at the school and as expected, have been waitlisted here. I hate this waiting game and so far I don’t think any biomeds have gotten in this cycle as of yet.
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An MPH won’t help with your science GPA so going to PCOM would give you more leverage. All in all if PCOM is the only SMP you were accepted to then go, if you were accepted elsewhere with a MCAT prep option chose elsewhere.Hello,
I was recently accepted into Biomedical program at PCOM-GA campus but I am also accepted at a different university for MPH program to begin fall 2018. So, reading these comments I am not sure if I should drop my plan to study MPH to go with the biomedical program just because of the reviews that I am seeing which is making my decision even harder to make.
Just to give a little background on my academic stats: currently studying to retake MCAT because previous score was not even close to the 20th percentile but my undergrad GPA was decent 3.4 so reading all of this, I am not sure if I want to spend this much of money on this program with the conspiracy around DO acceptance/interview/completing 2 years of masters and the risk of not even getting in through the conditional acceptance or guaranteed interview so please give any advise that will appreciated especially if you are current PCOM biomed students or those starting this fall if you are deciding to go and why OR if your not going into this program and why?
Thank You
An MPH won’t help with your science GPA so going to PCOM would give you more leverage. All in all if PCOM is the only SMP you were accepted to then go, if you were accepted elsewhere with a MCAT prep option chose elsewhere.
But honestly you really need help with your MCAT, the program indirectly does that due to how you have to study and approach the course. But you won’t have any time to study for the MCAT I had to balance my MCAT prep and courses which are demanding.
Did you take the MCAT after completing the masters program? If so, did it help in honing the critical skills needed to do well?I'm a former GA-PCOM biomed currently in medical school, and straight up I would not have gotten in if it wasn't for this program. To answer a few questions that were posed: I think this program is for people who have issues with their undergrad GPA and are looking to raise it while gaining a degree rather than spending the same amount of money on a formal post-bac that you MIGHT get an acceptance from (you know the ones). You will be able to work with a Masters Degree in the event that you have multiple application cycles, like most applicants do. Getting the Masters and doing thesis track gives you exposure to research, which is something REQUIRED by many residencies, and it will definitely give you something to talk about on the residency interview trail. As for admission to the biomed program: I got into the program with a c3.02/s2.97 and a GRE score, so if you have those things you should be ok. My admitted stats for med school were 3.02 undergrad 3.7 Masters 508 MCAT + lewd amounts of volunteer and research hours + a publication. This program sealed the deal.
There are issues with the GA campus program. The main issue is with a group project based class your first term which is horribly organized and generates a lot of resentment among the students. However, what I learned in that class was the basis for my understanding of cardiology in medical school. I still hated the class, but I breezed through cardiac physiology because of it. That being said, the other classes are hard because that is what you should expect in a graduate science program, and I think a lot of students go into it thinking that the level of effort required stays at or below their generic undergrad effort. It doesn't. It's harder. Me and most of my friends did well in the program and matriculated to medical school. I actually did better in my first two courses of med school because I did this Masters program, but be aware that the entirety of courses that you take in this Masters program are taught in less than a month in medical school.
In regards to the PA program, every single biomed I know recommends it. There are some administrative issues at the PA campus as well, but that is because the programs are run by human professors who are overwhelmed by both the biomed program AND the DO program. I would say that is true for BOTH campuses. But if you approach any of the professors, they are extremely receptive to helping you understand.
Is there a conspiracy that they won't accept you until you finish two years? Yes. But every school that rejected me during the cycle I got in told me after the fact that they wanted to see my completed Masters degree before admitting me because my undergrad GPA was low. In some cases, that MS GPA would've overridden my undergrad GPA.
Is there a general air of discontent among GA campus students? Yes, primarily because they don't want to work hard because they feel as if this is their last 'hurdle' to why they 'deserve' to be in medical school (hence the referenced biomed drop out rates); plus, they're all rightfully irritated with the one professor from the one class that I mentioned. And they don't like studying in a warehouse. But that's atmospheric, and has no reflection on the quality of the DO program or the education that you get out of the Masters.
Now for a personal, very biased opinion: I personally didn't like the biomed program during my first year because of the warehouse atmosphere and that class I mentioned souring me. The general attitude of my classmates also made me negative about the program, and I think that would be changed solely if they took out this one course. My attitude changed the second year because I realized I was in control of what I got out of the program, and my level of effort determined my success (I had an EXCELLENT mentor who taught me this). That being said, I decided not to apply to the GA campus because atmosphere is something that is important to me, and I didn't want to go to school fifteen minutes down the road from where I grew up, so I cannot comment on the application process to the GA campus DO program. However, I was outright accepted at the PA campus, probably because of my success in this program.
You need to determine what is best for you.
TL;DR: I would not have gotten into medical school if it wasn't for this program. Every student who failed out of the Biomed program would not have made it in medical school. Period. So for all of you interested in this program: weigh the benefits of getting a Masters over retaking your undergrad courses (retaking courses WILL BE EASIER AND CHEAPER). Decide if you want to relocate for a Masters degree. Evaluate your ability to work at a graduate level. TALK TO YOUR PREMED ADVISOR ABOUT WHAT IS BEST FOR YOU. Then, if you decide it is for you and you get in, put your head down and work. You determine what you get out of this program. Do not lower the quality of this program because you are lazy.
Did you take the MCAT after completing the masters program? If so, did it help in honing the critical skills needed to do well?