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When I tried to take the ACT, they stole probably $150 (never refunded it) and I never took the exam. It was because it was COVID and I have academic accommodations. They were like 'schedule it at your school' and I was like 'my school is closed' and they were like 'fly to Nevada' and I was like 'THERES A GOSH DANG PANDEMIC'
 
I think I’m being ghosted by the clinic that said they'd hire me as a VA. I interviewed on 1/20 and was supposed to start onboarding tomorrow but it's been radio silence even after I reached out 🙃
Update on this because I'm grumpy: I finally got ahold of someone there and they informed me that they decided not to hire me as they want someone long-term and I’ll be leaving for school in the fall. Fair enough but why would they not tell me that?? I planned my whole life around the assumption I had this job because they told me I did.

Also, this means I'll be starting vet school with zero small animal clinical experience and that makes me super nervous
 
Update on this because I'm grumpy: I finally got ahold of someone there and they informed me that they decided not to hire me as they want someone long-term and I’ll be leaving for school in the fall. Fair enough but why would they not tell me that?? I planned my whole life around the assumption I had this job because they told me I did.

Also, this means I'll be starting vet school with zero small animal clinical experience and that makes me super nervous
That's a ****ty situation, but I wouldn't worry about the clinical experience portion of it at this point. You'll learn the things you need to know. Sure some people might have particular skills they're already adept at because of previous experience, but that's going to be variable across the board. The point of getting clinical experience prior to vet school isn't really for the technical skills, even if they sometimes come in handy!
 
Update on this because I'm grumpy: I finally got ahold of someone there and they informed me that they decided not to hire me as they want someone long-term and I’ll be leaving for school in the fall. Fair enough but why would they not tell me that?? I planned my whole life around the assumption I had this job because they told me I did.

Also, this means I'll be starting vet school with zero small animal clinical experience and that makes me super nervous

Thats super shady tbh. Hopefully a bullet dodged?
If you need a job pretty badly, ERs are almost always hiring. But not likely to be the best experience starting out
 
Update on this because I'm grumpy: I finally got ahold of someone there and they informed me that they decided not to hire me as they want someone long-term and I’ll be leaving for school in the fall. Fair enough but why would they not tell me that?? I planned my whole life around the assumption I had this job because they told me I did.

Also, this means I'll be starting vet school with zero small animal clinical experience and that makes me super nervous
Suuuper ****ty and like apop said probably a bullet dodged

Just wanted to say that I am also starting vet school this fall with basically zero clinic experience so you aren’t the only one! We will learn what we need to both from school and our peers 🙂
 
Also, this means I'll be starting vet school with zero small animal clinical experience and that makes me super nervous
My classmates with little clinical experience prior to vet school are doing great! Don't let it worry you. You will be okay!
 
That's a ****ty situation, but I wouldn't worry about the clinical experience portion of it at this point. You'll learn the things you need to know. Sure some people might have particular skills they're already adept at because of previous experience, but that's going to be variable across the board. The point of getting clinical experience prior to vet school isn't really for the technical skills, even if they sometimes come in handy!
Intellectually I know you're 100% right and they'll teach me what I need to know in school but emotionally I feel so behind. It does really help to hear it from someone else though so thank you!
Thats super shady tbh. Hopefully a bullet dodged?
If you need a job pretty badly, ERs are almost always hiring. But not likely to be the best experience starting out
yeeaahh you're probably right that I dodge a bullet there. Annoyingly this was an ER (or the ER service for a referral clinic). All the GPs I applied to wanted someone with more experience. I'm sure I can find random horsey jobs though so I will be okay!
Suuuper ****ty and like apop said probably a bullet dodged

Just wanted to say that I am also starting vet school this fall with basically zero clinic experience so you aren’t the only one! We will learn what we need to both from school and our peers 🙂
My classmates with little clinical experience prior to vet school are doing great! Don't let it worry you. You will be okay!
Okay, this makes me feel a lot better. It feels like every pre-vet has been working at a clinic for years and I’ve been feeling super insecure about it. Glad to know I’m not the only one in this position
 
i hate getting the FB “holistic vet advice” recommendations. just saw someone suggest a woman use tea to treat TVT in her MN GSD…that or keto raw diet to “kill the cancer with diet”

i’m tired
Ugh it’s so different from actual holistic vet care too. I shadowed at a holistic practice this winter and they are all actual veterinarians and were using acupuncture and medical grades massages, lasers etc. And not “vaccines are bad use tea” like fb groups
 
Ugh it’s so different from actual holistic vet care too. I shadowed at a holistic practice this winter and they are all actual veterinarians and were using acupuncture and medical grades massages, lasers etc. And not “vaccines are bad use tea” like fb groups

I recommend acupuncture all the time for lameness and OA dogs after my experience with my decrepit Golden. A lot of people are fully on board with the "can't really hurt, can only help" perspective I have on a lot of these more holistic approaches.
 
I recommend acupuncture all the time for lameness and OA dogs after my experience with my decrepit Golden. A lot of people are fully on board with the "can't really hurt, can only help" perspective I have on a lot of these more holistic approaches.
Yes, my parents bring their 15.5 year old dog there because she is having weakness in her rear legs and they say they can tell when they go too long between appointments. It’s pretty amazing what they are able to achieve tbh and I see how it could work well in combination with tradition medicine practice to augment it
 
i hate getting the FB “holistic vet advice” recommendations. just saw someone suggest a woman use tea to treat TVT in her MN GSD…that or keto raw diet to “kill the cancer with diet”

i’m tired
A holistic pet owner group (that I'm not a part of, so why are you coming up on my feed) popped up on my feed this morning and it was some person concerned that her dog was being poisoned because there was polyethylene glycol in the supplement both her traditional AND holistic vet were recommending she start her dog on for lameness or whatever it was. Like, a quick google was all you needed to do. But the comments were chock full of the most insane recommendations from random people.
 
For being such a litigious society, there are not enough civil suits against randos on the Internet giving bad advice.
I’ve had to leave/block admins on several parakeet groups because of the blatantly wrong advice they kept giving like yall STOPPPPP

Social media is such a double edged sword, especially for small exotics, cause there can be so much good husbandry info on there and resources (like the PDD/avian ganglioneuritis support group im in) it’s just..hard if you aren’t good at parsing through the bs
 
For being such a litigious society, there are not enough civil suits against randos on the Internet giving bad advice.
Can you successfully sue someone for bad medical advice when they are not representing themselves as a medical professional?

This is partly why I'm so strict on casually discussing vet stuff with even close friends and family though because I am obviously a vet, and anything I say could be construed as legit medical advice and a VCPR possibly (or the insinuation of one, especially if I touched the pet). Trust no one, people go blind with rage and grief

Some of those facebook groups LOVE to recommend colloidal silver for everything
Also this was absolutely one of the recommendations for that dog's arthritis lolol
 
Can you successfully sue someone for bad medical advice when they are not representing themselves as a medical professional?

That's why I'm coming at it from a civil perspective. Animals are property under the law and I think a good property lawyer could figure out a way to get people at their pocket books for others purposely giving bad advice that leads to dysfunction to loss of that "property". Maybe something akin to puppy lemon laws.

Don't have a clue how it would work. But if people start to hear that they can be sued for the cost of the vet care for their bad advice, might make people be more cautious.
 
I wish the school im going to be attending didn’t have an anatomy summer course at an inconvenient time in June, and then say “historically students who haven’t ever taken anatomy struggle most first semester”

Like great I’m not nervous at all now 🫠

Soooo anyone have any resources that are good for getting an incoming vet student ready for first year anatomy?
 
I wish the school im going to be attending didn’t have an anatomy summer course at an inconvenient time in June, and then say “historically students who haven’t ever taken anatomy struggle most first semester”

Like great I’m not nervous at all now 🫠

Soooo anyone have any resources that are good for getting an incoming vet student ready for first year anatomy?
VIN has good anatomy resources. minnesota CVM uploads dissection pictures that are useful too. But tbh i would use the summer to just chill a bit. you'll learn what you need to know when you get there. plenty of people in my class who never took anatomy before vet school are doing just fine. if you're really chomping at the bit to get started, reviewing muscle actions and cranial nerves would be useful imo. but i found that reviewing early could also be a waste of time because the prof can always be like "hey actually you don't need to know this muscle action" or things like that.
 
I wish the school im going to be attending didn’t have an anatomy summer course at an inconvenient time in June, and then say “historically students who haven’t ever taken anatomy struggle most first semester”

Like great I’m not nervous at all now 🫠

Soooo anyone have any resources that are good for getting an incoming vet student ready for first year anatomy?
Honestly the sauders anatomy coloring book is a good chill way to prep.

My biggest advice for anatomy is do not get behind. Spaced repetition for blood supply, Innervation, origin, and insertion. Practice on other people’s cadavars because structures can look a lot different on different dogs. You will be just fine.
 
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VIN has good anatomy resources. minnesota CVM uploads dissection pictures that are useful too. But tbh i would use the summer to just chill a bit. you'll learn what you need to know when you get there. plenty of people in my class who never took anatomy before vet school are doing just fine. if you're really chomping at the bit to get started, reviewing muscle actions and cranial nerves would be useful imo. but i found that reviewing early could also be a waste of time because the prof can always be like "hey actually you don't need to know this muscle action" or things like that.
Honestly the sauders anatomy coloring book is a good chill way to prep.

My biggest advice for anatomy is do not get behind. Spaced repetition for blood supply, Innervation, origin, and insertion. Practice on other people’s cadavars because structures can look a lot different on different dogs. You will be just fine.
Thank you both. Like I’m sure I’ll be fine and am capable enough to learn the material, but when you see an email that says it’s very recommended to take this course prior to school it just makes me nervous 😅

But yes already planning on practically living in the anatomy lab since I do really well with visual and hands on learning. Good idea to use different cadavers as well since everyone is a little different

I just hope the vet school cadavers are better than the 40 year old specimens I had when taking vertebrate zoology lol
 
I wish the school im going to be attending didn’t have an anatomy summer course at an inconvenient time in June, and then say “historically students who haven’t ever taken anatomy struggle most first semester”

Like great I’m not nervous at all now 🫠

Soooo anyone have any resources that are good for getting an incoming vet student ready for first year anatomy?

Others recommended good resources (my classmates actually used the UMN pictures to make quizlets for the practicals and it worked really well 😅).

So I'm I just going to tell you I never took anatomy in undergrad, which was also ~7 years ago by the time I started school, and did just fine! I probably spent a couple more hours per week in the lab than my peers who came in fresh off of undergrad anatomy, but there's so much information that it equalizes pretty well.
 
I just hope the vet school cadavers are better than the 40 year old specimens I had when taking vertebrate zoology lol
def take your time dissecting! some groups plow through the dissection to get done faster but then their structures are f**ked up lol. also having a good group is vital!! we had 5 people per group last semester and would switch roles each lab. our roles were: primary dissector, secondary dissector, assistant (kinda just held legs up or something), note taker (would take pics of everything + add any relevant notes), and a reader (read the dissection guide to the dissectors). it worked really well! some groups didn't have any roles assigned and it made for a mess it seemed like.

*i guess it also depends on the school, some schools have pre-dissected cadavers while others you're given a dead animal and a scalpel and told to have at it (UT lol). but, i think i prefer the do-it-yourself dissection, i think you learn it better that way.
 
Others recommended good resources (my classmates actually used the UMN pictures to make quizlets for the practicals and it worked really well 😅).

So I'm I just going to tell you I never took anatomy in undergrad, which was also ~7 years ago by the time I started school, and did just fine! I probably spent a couple more hours per week in the lab than my peers who came in fresh off of undergrad anatomy, but there's so much information that it equalizes pretty well.
Thanks apop that makes me feel a lot better!
 
Others recommended good resources (my classmates actually used the UMN pictures to make quizlets for the practicals and it worked really well 😅).
HUGE shout out to our teaching tech team, primarily Abby, who not only dissect those models but MAKE some of them. Abby is in charge of all of our plasticine models and is one of the few people who still knows how to make them. They make those resources not only available but understandable.
 
HUGE shout out to our teaching tech team, primarily Abby, who not only dissect those models but MAKE some of them. Abby is in charge of all of our plasticine models and is one of the few people who still knows how to make them. They make those resources not only available but understandable.
Please send Abby my personal eternal gratitude 🫡
 
I wish the school im going to be attending didn’t have an anatomy summer course at an inconvenient time in June, and then say “historically students who haven’t ever taken anatomy struggle most first semester”

Like great I’m not nervous at all now 🫠

Soooo anyone have any resources that are good for getting an incoming vet student ready for first year anatomy?
It's worth doing, if it's the school I'm thinking of that I attend, the anatomy workshop was IMMENSELY helpful. Feel free to PM me if you have questions. Not everyone does it, and you can be successful without it, but it's a great dress rehearsal.
 
HUGE shout out to our teaching tech team, primarily Abby, who not only dissect those models but MAKE some of them. Abby is in charge of all of our plasticine models and is one of the few people who still knows how to make them. They make those resources not only available but understandable.
Abby is the anatomy GOAT tbh
 
If there were any possible way to be moved in time I’d consider it, I just can’t be moved by early June (especially when I’m doing a half Ironman on the 14th lolll)
Enjoy your half iron man. Don't stress about not taking it. Thousands of students don't take the preparatory courses and still become vets. Myself included.
Also cant tell you where the rhomboideous insertion is anymore 🤷‍♀️ so ya know useful things you retain, less useful ones you dont. (My tech is taking an animal anatomy class and literally asked me today as she was studying 😅)
 
It was well worth the money IMO.

Normally I'd say sure, whatever makes someone feel more comfy. But in these days of loan limits, it behooves schools to make their curriculum manageable within the confines of that 200k (which is a pipe dream). If the course is too much for students as it is currently written/taught to require a pre-curriculum class, then they should re-evaluate the class.
 
started program last fall, thought i was able to take out grad plus loans until 2029. found out there is language in the bill that suggests i may not because my degrees are processed through two different institutions. degree program is complicated.

reach out to financial aid people. nobody knows what is happening and more specifically what that means for dual degree students.

if i knew when i accepted, that there would have been a chance that i needed to take 100k in private loans, i would have given up on this and moved on…now i feel stuck and anxious. i’m gonna be sick.
 
rant pt2: i mean according to VIN, my FAFSA loans will cover all 4 years of tuition, but none of the living expenses for all 4 years. i’ll be on my parents health insurance for another two years so there’s some money saved. my partner is moving out to CO this summer and getting a full-time job so my living expenses got slashed in half basically. i plan to basically work all summer and put 80% of my earnings into a savings account so i can help with rent and groceries etc.

****. it’s gonna be difficult but i think i may be able to mange not having to take out all this money on private loans…i need to learn how to budget well.
 
Normally I'd say sure, whatever makes someone feel more comfy. But in these days of loan limits, it behooves schools to make their curriculum manageable within the confines of that 200k (which is a pipe dream). If the course is too much for students as it is currently written/taught to require a pre-curriculum class, then they should re-evaluate the class.
Its really not a huge price tag, it's a tiny fraction of the semester's tuition largely to recoup the use of space and materials. Obviously, the perspective of expensive is different to everyone, but I felt it was worth the minute investment and to give me a leg up going into my first semester of vet school. Because of that, it took a lot of the pressure off small animal anatomy in the fall and allowed me to refine my learning in the real course. I haven't met a classmate nor an upperclassperson who did the workshop and did NOT say it was beneficial. But to each their own!
 
I wish the school im going to be attending didn’t have an anatomy summer course at an inconvenient time in June, and then say “historically students who haven’t ever taken anatomy struggle most first semester”

Like great I’m not nervous at all now 🫠

Soooo anyone have any resources that are good for getting an incoming vet student ready for first year anatomy?
I don't think I've ever heard of a vet-school-hosted summer prep course before ...so I'm also going to say that a lot of vet students do not do any dedicated prep and survive. But yeah you will struggle during anatomy, it is arguably the hardest part of first year. Just accept that as normal, because it is. Idk I actually feel kind weird about a school vaguely threatening students to take a paid course to prep them for vet school when the whole point is that you're supposed to be taught during the normal year.
 
I don't think I've ever heard of a vet-school-hosted summer prep course before ...so I'm also going to say that a lot of vet students do not do any dedicated prep and survive. But yeah you will struggle during anatomy, it is arguably the hardest part of first year. Just accept that as normal, because it is. Idk I actually feel kind weird about a school vaguely threatening students to take a paid course to prep them for vet school when the whole point is that you're supposed to be taught during the normal year.
I probably was being a bit dramatic and paraphrased it a bit harshly, I wouldn’t say it was threatening. They just recommended it. But they did say it’s perfectly achievable to pass the course without ever taking anatomy

I’ve already resigned myself to living in the anatomy lab (and hopefully making friends with people who are good at it lol)
 
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I probably was being a bit dramatic and paraphrased it a bit harshly, I wouldn’t say it was threatening. They just recommended it. But they did say it’s perfectly achievable to pass the course without ever taking anatomy

I’ve already resigned myself to living in the anatomy lab (and hopefully making friends with people who are good at it lol)
I just don't vibe with the idea that a school is trying to sell you another course while basically scaring their incoming students. I'm sure it is helpful and all but Idk. I'm a big proponent for schools teaching you what they expect you to know, and not expecting you to come in with a baseline beyond prereqs (and the prereqs usually aren't that helpful to be honest). Either require anatomy as a prereq or teach the course in a way that doesn't make students feel like they have to take a summer class just to succeed in it?
 
I don't think I've ever heard of a vet-school-hosted summer prep course before ...so I'm also going to say that a lot of vet students do not do any dedicated prep and survive. But yeah you will struggle during anatomy, it is arguably the hardest part of first year. Just accept that as normal, because it is. Idk I actually feel kind weird about a school vaguely threatening students to take a paid course to prep them for vet school when the whole point is that you're supposed to be taught during the normal year.
UIUC actually has one and I heard from everyone who did it that it wasn't helpful lol
 
UIUC actually has one and I heard from everyone who did it that it wasn't helpful lol
Definitely added after my time! I mean I don't know the structures/outlines of either course but to survive anatomy you just need to dedicate a tooooon of time to it. Far more than I did, I barely passed myself, but I also will continue to mention that I am a terrible student lol
 
I just don't vibe with the idea that a school is trying to sell you another course while basically scaring their incoming students. I'm sure it is helpful and all but Idk. I'm a big proponent for schools teaching you what they expect you to know, and not expecting you to come in with a baseline beyond prereqs (and the prereqs usually aren't that helpful to be honest). Either require anatomy as a prereq or teach the course in a way that doesn't make students feel like they have to take a summer class just to succeed in it?
It wasn't really selling anything, it was presented as an opportunity to get a jump start on anatomy. It's just an offer to incoming students. They also release anatomy study materials online for people who want to get a head start without doing the workshop. The most beneficial part of the workshop was understanding how anatomy lab works, the flow of exams, the actual material being taught, etc. It's genuinely just a dress rehearsal and I dont think the charge associated with the summer course is anything more than their cost to put it on. It's really not a large fee, and it was not (for my year) heavily pushed or "threatening" to the students who choose not to do it.
 
Definitely added after my time! I mean I don't know the structures/outlines of either course but to survive anatomy you just need to dedicate a tooooon of time to it. Far more than I did, I barely passed myself, but I also will continue to mention that I am a terrible student lol
Yeah idk what they learned about in the course but I know I wanted to rest my brain as much as possible before starting vet school (and save money). No regrets

I agree I spent about 12 hours a week studying in the anatomy lab which was about a 70:30 anatomy to everything else ratio and I'm an average student. Nothing else does it except dragging yourself to lab and looking at as many cadavers as possible. Getting a head start probably won't provide any tangible advantage
 
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