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[apoptosis09]

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unyeet apop
yeet apop harder

 

[WildZoo]

yeah toby really went after me for those reads

Toby clearly had zero qualms about bussing so I can't really say that changes anything for me. Do you remember why wasp was in there?

 

[genny]

Toby clearly had zero qualms about bussing so I can't really say that changes anything for me. Do you remember why wasp was in there?

yeah, to see who would say that was a whackadoo read. because it was. which gives me information as the game progresses. i don't care that i didn't announce it at the time (which is what toby got on me about) because it's part of how i solve.

 

[genny]

remember that game where the wolves targeted the same player for blocking multiple nights in a row, so we decided not to allow them to do that anymore? this is starting to feel like that for me. i'm just not having fun with having to give the same defense repeatedly, so i'm going to bed.

 

[WildZoo]

remember that game where the wolves targeted the same player for blocking multiple nights in a row, so we decided not to allow them to do that anymore? this is starting to feel like that for me. i'm just not having fun with having to give the same defense repeatedly, so i'm going to bed.

I'm sorry 🙁 I haven't read everything and even when I do I forget stuff, so I didn't realize you'd already addressed that before

 

[beans2020]

Sorry genny, i know that's no fun

 

[WildZoo]

@Kcalb I'd really prefer if you spent time on figuring out if apop or genny is a better option since there is just not really a universe where we're voting into the lock today. It's locked for a reason so for me it would be helpful if you put the solving effort into those two instead since it might help me evaluate the sincerity of your solving. Given you're the other option on the table.

Not to tell you how to play the game, just recognizing that for me and probably others it would be useful to get your perspective on them and less useful to rehash the reasons why the consensus town people are consensus town at this stage.

 

[WildZoo]

But here I am reading d1 again and just not being able to stomach toby and kcalb sussing kitz at the same time for the same posts if they were packmates TT_TT

 

[WildZoo]

Yeet genny

@Animal Midwife @kaydubs @supershorty

This reads list is pretty damning, and I think answering fruits's question with a non-answer signal boosting Kitz is also telling.

I think if it is genny, Wasp is also likely a pack member

nope. sometimes i make ridiculous reads to see what happens.

Noting that this was the answer genny gave early D2 as well, so it's at least consistent.

My brain is working entirely too hard on this. Bedtime.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Day 5 Yeet Tally
kcal () -
apop (2) - fruit 20, genny 22

2/7
yeet close in ~20 hours

 

[samac]

Can we talk about whatever the hell this vote switch was from Toby though
Because

What the hell











This was all in about a 30 minute span

RIGHT?!
I was talking to my husband last night about how I followed him onto wasp on d2.
I wouldn’t have caught it.

 

[samac]

Yeah I think genny is the hit

Did you go through anyone else’s posts?
I’d like your thoughts on the blocc too given you’re fresher eyes

 

[samac]

This is where i take the lead D2:

And these are posts i made after that, to try to slip out of getting yeeted.




why would i do that as a wolf? when i've got 2 "packmates" voting me who will miss out on cred? when i've asked my packmates to bus me in a previous game to get themselves cred?

This is a fair point. It got me to vote SAR.

 

[samac]

@Kcalb I'd really prefer if you spent time on figuring out if apop or genny is a better option since there is just not really a universe where we're voting into the lock today. It's locked for a reason so for me it would be helpful if you put the solving effort into those two instead since it might help me evaluate the sincerity of your solving. Given you're the other option on the table.

Not to tell you how to play the game, just recognizing that for me and probably others it would be useful to get your perspective on them and less useful to rehash the reasons why the consensus town people are consensus town at this stage.

Me: asks apop thoughts on the blocc

Dubz to KC: don’t go there!

Lmaoooo

No, I will not be voting in the blocc today ever. But I do want the outsiders opinion if the game is still going. Cause I don’t want it to be anyone but apop.

 

[samac]

Can we talk about whatever the hell this vote switch was from Toby though
Because

What the hell











This was all in about a 30 minute span

Yeah goes from leading genny wagon -> voting wasp -> I create tied wagons between wasp/genny -> 10 minutes later goes back to genny

Feels unlikely. If it is true it’s genny Toby is a deep deep deep wolf

 

[beans2020]

I'll go back and read over genny and kc too when I get out of class today. I doubt I'll have anything new and enlightening to share but I should probably try to narrow it down between those two if apop flips village (the cursed outcome)

 

[WildZoo]

Me: asks apop thoughts on the blocc

Dubz to KC: don’t go there!

Lmaoooo

No, I will not be voting in the blocc today ever. But I do want the outsiders opinion if the game is still going. Cause I don’t want it to be anyone but apop.

Oh I missed or forgot that you had asked for that, I just saw her being like "maybe beans or Dubz" and was triggered right before I went to sleep because the remaining wolf needs the lock to break if they actually want to win.

 

[apoptosis09]

Did you go through anyone else’s posts?
I’d like your thoughts on the blocc too given you’re fresher eyes

I hope to. I have like 5 hours of lecture coming up so will probably be tonight unless my lecture gets boring 😅

 

[beans2020]

Oh I missed or forgot that you had asked for that, I just saw her being like "maybe beans or Dubz" and was triggered right before I went to sleep because the remaining wolf needs the lock to break if they actually want to win.

Tinfoiling that if kc is the last wolf maybe they are trying to break the lock and that's the point of going back through the blocc 🤔

 

[WildZoo]

Yeah goes from leading genny wagon -> voting wasp -> I create tied wagons between wasp/genny -> 10 minutes later goes back to genny

Feels unlikely. If it is true it’s genny Toby is a deep deep deep wolf

The problem I'm having is separating how Toby treated kitz d1 and wasp d2 from how he treated genny d2. I haven't finished rereading d2 yet though. Feels like an important day but it's a lot lol

 

[WildZoo]

Tinfoiling that if kc is the last wolf maybe they are trying to break the lock and that's the point of going back through the blocc 🤔

Yeah that's what triggered me but then samac pointed out she'd asked kc to do that lol

 

[apoptosis09]

Tinfoiling that if kc is the last wolf maybe they are trying to break the lock and that's the point of going back through the blocc 🤔

Yeah that's what triggered me but then samac pointed out she'd asked kc to do that lol

Tbh no matter what the block is getting blown up after I die. And I don't think any amount of tinfoiling is saving me unless we try genny first and it's a hit lol

 

[WildZoo]

Tbh no matter what the block is getting blown up after I die. And I don't think any amount of tinfoiling is saving me unless we try genny first and it's a hit lol

That is not how a lock works. If it was going to be broken because people in the relatively large POE flipped village, it was never locked in the first place. This is just what happens sometimes when there's only one wolf left that early in the game. But I'm still more confident about beans, fruit, and samac's positioning than I am about genny or KC.

 

[WildZoo]

I'm an emotional player so here's where my emotions get me

Apop wolf: dang, sucks she subbed into that, but it's okay. She had some fun. I hope QQ is alright. Emotional distress over this is low.

KC wolf: poor kitz 🙁 that hurts my heart but not my soul

genny wolf: wow. She got completely railroaded by her packmates, and in this scenario it would not seem like she was on board with it. Also she's plucking at my lil heartstrings. 0/10 this one hurts me.

 

[samac]

Yeah that's what triggered me but then samac pointed out she'd asked kc to do that lol

oh no i havent asked kc, sorry i want apop

 

[WildZoo]

oh no i havent asked kc, sorry i want apop

Oh I read that wrong, sorry I had just woken up

Back to being triggered then!

 

[WildZoo]

I might vote KC today tbh

 

[apoptosis09]

sorry i want apop

You know you get an endless supply of my opinions if you keep me alive. Js 👀

 

[WildZoo]

I am gonna have a really hard time voting for effort!pop after the times I've been wrong voting for effort!pop

 

[WildZoo]

genny I just feel like has really great points about why it's not her based on interactions and apop seems to be genuinely trying to solve (plus QQ just never seemed to have an agenda or support from anyone to me, she was kind of doing her own thing and I can't really connect her to the pack?), so I'm left with KC who I mostly don't want to be a wolf because it would make me sad for kitz and because I like her lol

I will look at her overall interactions with the pack when I next have some time

 

[WildZoo]

(I know apop did this already I just have a different method so I can look closer at context)

 

[apoptosis09]

I am gonna have a really hard time voting for effort!pop after the times I've been wrong voting for effort!pop

Tbf effort!apop is usually more wrong than sandbag!apop 💀

 

[WildZoo]

Tbf effort!apop is usually more wrong than sandbag!apop 💀

That's okay, you're allowed to be wrong, I only care whether or not you're a wolf lol

 

[WildZoo]

As hard as I try I simply cannot turn off the desire to figure this out before f3, very annoying

 

[genny]

As hard as I try I simply cannot turn off the desire to figure this out before f3, very annoying

Yeah it’s important to figure out the right mix to take to f3.

 

[genny]

Sorry I was a grumpypants last night, happens when I get overly tired. Please feel free to sling as much mud as you want in my direction today

 

[WildZoo]

Yeah it’s important to figure out the right mix to take to f3.

genny pls

 

[WildZoo]

Some thoughts as I go along

ok I think my reads to far are

Towny: zenge, santy, spurs

Sus: kcal

And I’m not able to gather much reads on most of the players yet I’ll need to do a re read on my computer and focus in on some people

I learned that yall talk fast (expected) lots of new people, a lot of early pretty hard town reads without a ton of substance. But d1 usually flies over my head anyways

Leaning v for fruit for now, somewhat v for you [this is referring to samac] (I think it’s interesting how many people have already seemingly pegged you as v), zenge is pinging me some but this also reminds me of last game so likely v

Neutral sar

I haven’t liked the tone of moon and someone else (who I can’t remember the name of rn lolol) but I need to get to know the new peeps better. Maybe kcalb is pure?

I know I’m forgetting people but I just woke up haha

Any reason for.the fruit read?

In general this reads don't give townie energy but they seem kinda genuine and not repeating what everyone already said humu humu. Are they faking or trying to solve? Time will tell(?. Not totally convinced but I'll make a note

I think this is kind of interesting since kcalb was reading fruit village herself (see below)
On reread this post really isn't that pushy at kitz and is pretty hedgey

I kinda like you? But who is wasp and why is wasp (?)

I find this genuine, proceed to update my reads

Samac /Spur
Rae

Genny / Fruit (liked their latest inquiries)
Beans

Neutral: Toby

Kitzuna
Clem / Zenge

I need to go back and find the post this one was replying to, oops.

Also didn't like the ktzuna post of they tried to excuse their reads and talk about playing on mobile(??? I also play exclusively on mobile

This just seems so harsh to say about a packmate but then again so did Toby's posts to kitz so what do I know

 

[samac]

Sorry I was a grumpypants last night, happens when I get overly tired. Please feel free to sling as much mud as you want in my direction today

I ALWAYS PLAY ON MOBILE IM ON MY LAPTOP THAT CAT MEOWS

 

[WildZoo]

Oops I forgot to say, I already kinf of implied this last day cycle but it's interesting to me that the only possible packmate that Toby and kitz would have both included in their initial reads is kcalb

 

[genny]

I ALWAYS PLAY ON MOBILE IM ON MY LAPTOP THAT CAT MEOWS

Oh I had no idea, it doesn’t make any noise for me haha

 

[samac]

Oh I had no idea, it doesn’t make any noise for me haha

oh not noise
it moves
i never knew it was alive

 

[apoptosis09]

oh not noise
it moves
i never knew it was alive

I'm on mobile and it moves for me 😅

 

[samac]

I'm on mobile and it moves for me 😅

I guess its so small I've never noticed. Over 5 years.

 

[WildZoo]

Town leaning spurs, santy, wasp, kitz.

I’d like to see more from fruit because I’m thinking of voting there

Both zenge and Samac are wolfy as heck hmm yes and definitely don’t need plot armor

I kinda like you? But who is wasp and why is wasp (?)

I find this genuine, proceed to update my reads

Samac /Spur
Rae

Genny / Fruit (liked their latest inquiries)
Beans

Neutral: Toby

Kitzuna
Clem / Zenge

This is actually a very odd response to genny's reads in context. Kcalb having read the thread herself and being sus of kitz, and appearing not seeing enough from Wasp to have an impression from her, is mostly fine with genny having both of them in her village reads/says it reads genuine? And doesn't question genny finding one of her village reads (fruit) sus enough to vote? I'd expect a villager to have questioned the village read on kitz and the scum read on fruit and certainly not to have decided without much explanation that genny's reads were genuine.

 

[WildZoo]

Can't fix my grammatical errors, will perish from embarrassment

 

[samac]

Can't fix my grammatical errors, will perish from embarrassment

I've learned to live in them

 

[apoptosis09]

Beans incoming

 

[apoptosis09]

Spoiler: I don’t think it’s bean either.

in all seriousness I don't love the clem wagon...like I can't tell if this is a just for funsies thing and I'm squinting a little

I am soft village reading spurs, samac, and zenge rn. Which isn't super helpful bc i wasn't going to vote any of them today anyways.

Early town leans are solid

I was kind of hoping to see more from wasp and toby - I don't feel like anything they've said is AI so far

Calls out both wasp and toby early

toby's reads are spicy though so I'm ruminating on that

Same above, this is D1

soft village: samac, spurs, kcalb, zenge, rae, fruit

neutrals/NAI: wasp, toby, SAR, santy, clem, genny, squee

squinting: moon, kitz

haven't checked in: dubz

Placing kitz in poe D1. this would be pretty radical for beans, unless kitz was begging to be bussed (which I doubt)

I don't love wasp's reads. The kitz townlean in particular is interesting.

Push against wasp and calling out the kitz read

Currently my three biggest scumleans are moon, kitz, and Wasp. I'm not interested in voting wasp out today because that's not very nice. Between moon and kitz, moon is the one who has a wagon (albeit small). If people would be more interested in voting kitz than moon I'd be willing to move there.

POE of both kitz and wasp early when Moon was viable

moon -> I didn't like the way she went about throwing her vote on clem. It felt like taking advantage of a wagon that was forming.

kitz -> her readslist earlier felt weird. I can't quite put my finger on why. It felt a bit like it was trying to hard to look independent and solvey while repeating what others have already said.

wasp -> her readslist consisting of exactly two players and not having an opinion on the rest of us is odd. I also didn't love the reasoning she provided as to why kitz is her top villagelean (it sounded like she liked that kitz's list was a bit wishy washy?). It's possible that this is a playstyle difference between me and wasp which is part of why I don't want to vote for her today.

Same

Kitz and wasp are my biggest scumleans right now. But as aforementioned I'm not voting wasp today.
My neutral pool is SAR, clem, santy, squee, dubz, and genny.

Out of all those I'd prefer a kitz yeet

Again, hard and early push for kitz

lol you guys crack me up


basically kitz's reads feel a bit forced to me. Also I'm not sure how I feel about her jumping on the moon vote

“

So, I was inspired by SAR's work in snack wars and started an unpairing spreadsheet at the beginning of the game. Here's how it looks right now (red = likely unpaired):
View attachment 415745

Unpairing list; this is kinda NAI bc I’ve seen scum beans do this, and also helps when you know you’re using a deep wolf strat to push for pair analysis that clears you/your pack. But it did help us get wasp.

The players most likely to be paired with kitz (imo at least) are:
spurs
clem
zenge
dubz
SAR
rae
squee
genny
wasp

Push on wasp again

I want to read over EOD again. I'd like to give wasp a chance to come back and post too - I still think she has a lot of scum equity (case in point: town reading kitz and not voting for her) but I want to hear more from her before putting down a vote for her.

“

I think right now I'm most interested in:

clem
genny
zenge
dubz
wasp

however like I said I want to give wasp a chance to post before I decide on my vote. I'm coming to the realization that I've never played with wolf!dubz so I have nothing to compare her to.

Genny is the only read left on this list who is still alive. One was a wolf (wasp)

Is wasp TWTBW? Because I think toby made a good point earlier - would a wolf list their partner as their only townread? Wasp would have had to know that would look bad if kitz flipped.
Like nothing wasp has done is making me village read her but I don't think I can say she's more paired with kitz than clem is

Pointing out toby/wasp interaction. I don’t think i’d make this call out if I was trying to avoid deepwolf suspicion

between genny and SAR I'd flip genny. I think that would be very informative

Another push for genny

I'll try
yeet genny
@kaydubs @Animal Midwife @supershorty

let's see if anything comes of this

“

See I feel like genny hasn't contributed as much to the thread as SAR has, and genny was never really a point of contention at EOD. So we have some data on SAR (her voting/unvoting patterns, how the EOD board votes flipped around with her up for contention, some interactions with kitz, etc.) but not as much on genny. Flipping genny could help us figure out if there really is some under the radar wolfing going on and, if she flips village, it might points us back in SAR/clem/wasp's direction.
If SAR flips village I don't know that that's super informative about genny. You know what I mean?
Does that make sense?

“

I skimmed early/mid D1 for kitz mentions and I don't have anything groundbreaking. Just:

• genny townreads kitz
• moon is sus of kitz
• spurs townleans kitz
• kcalb starts neutral on kitz and then moves to being ok with wagoning on her after moon and me mention being sus of her
• fruit is confused as to why genny townreads kitz
• wasp townreads kitz
• dubz has kitz in some semblance of a POE and then moves to townleaning her
• SAR somewhat townleans kitz
• santy mentions that kitz/clem are a probable pairing

Connects both kcalb and wasp to kitz

As far as I can tell zenge, samac, and toby didn't have much to say about kitz before EOD. I don't think QQ mentioned her like at all? Clem didn't either. I didn't see anything from rae but I might have missed her - I think she mentioned kitz in her squinty reads list

I hear the toby argument. I'm not opposed to voting him today but I do want to look at my original list first.

taking a step back from toby now that he’s being zenge’d?

I did look over the toby/kitz/wasp interactions and I can't decide how I feel about them. I don't think i want to prioritize toby over clem/QQ/rae for today when all three of them are so easily paired with kitz and wasp. However if those three start flipping village we should come back to toby (and potentially spurs and dubz too, to a lesser extent)

Protecc on toby

I know you want toby today. I'd be willing to move to Clem or rae after QQ checks in. If you had to pick between those two who would you go for?
It's likely that if Toby is a wolf he is paired with one of them.

Connecting toby to clem and me - I think because of lack of interaction?

I'm going to give QQ, Toby, and rae a chance to check in and then decide where I'm landing.

Mention of toby and I

If we're discussing possible packmates in the world of wolf!Toby I think QQ needs to stay on the board. There are basically no interactions between Toby and qq.

Pointing out that toby and I had little contact, but I don’t think this makes sense as a pairing when some amount of bussing was already revealed

I may move my vote to clem if we get closer to EOD and it looks like QQ isn't going to meet the post min for today. I don't see the point in using my vote for a slot that may be self-resolving.

Sorry you got the chatterbox instead of a free flip

Probably Clem and Toby now TBH. I don't feel that most of the remaining players could be paired with kitz and wasp. I was sus of you and rae earlier but with rae being vig and your interactions with Clem and shorty I am thinking you're both village

Final push on toby

unyeet Clem
Yeet Toby
@kaydubs @supershorty @Animal Midwife

Then hammer vote to follow

I think i would like a spurs or clem yeet today. I'm with samac on apop - I'd like to give her some time to cook and I do think QQ deep cleared herself

Clearishing me - relevant in a sec

I like this analysis. I think i agree that if we get to the point of looking for deepwolves, KC would be a good starting point. I think I would look again at genny before KC though and KC before samac, fruit, or dubz.

Push on KC and genny as potential deepwolves

It better be someone in clem/spurs/apop
I'm going to cry if we have to start dismantling the blocc

Let it be known that my vote is on apop in spirit but not physically bc I'm not pushing it closer to hammer right now

Then flip over to me after spurs and clem flip. Understandable but the kc/genny narrrative kinda whooshed

See I'm praying it is apop bc if not I'm stuck.
genny doesn't seem right bc idk why toby would have continually pushed for her so hard even when zenge was sussing him for it unless it was setting genny up to deepwolf which I don't want to contemplate right now.
And kc has just been so pure.

Same above. What happened to deepwolf world?

Tinfoiling that if kc is the last wolf maybe they are trying to break the lock and that's the point of going back through the blocc 🤔

Oh it’s back again


Anyways tlr i think beans is a little too deep for my theory that the buss was post-D1 bc she started way too early and stayed pretty consistent. Made solid pushes on toby when he was still viable to survive.
A little flip flopping in the past couple days but I think that’s reasonable

 

[apoptosis09]

Samac why u make 13 pages