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I think this is a great point. While we do want to avoid killing any more villagers, if Random is a vigilante (are you Batman??), then they can hopefully help us yeet the wolves and/or the cult.

I might be totally off base here, but if there is a vigilante I wonder if they can only kill non-villagers? Like maybe they visit someone, can determine their role, then kill 3p’s/wolves, could be a mechanic for how some people in the thread claim to know if someone is village but can’t elaborate without putting a target on themselves. So for example maybe a vigilante killed Elmer and then Miss Frizzle (because she was converted)
 
Merry Christmas to all who celebrate Christmas and merry December 25 to all who don’t!

*googles “werewolf christmas” for Christmas greeting to share with thread*
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Intriguing... but were do werewolves come in?
*click*
”Ray seems like the perfect boyfriend—he’s gorgeous, incredibly romantic, and has a mechanical suit he invented to become the dastardly MantaRay. For Alec, who also spends his nights making life difficult for do-gooders everywhere, it’s a match made in supervillain heaven. Except that Ray is a bit too into the hit soap opera All My Werewolves. When tempers flare during what’s supposed to be a quiet night out, Alec nearly ruins everything over a stupid bet with an alien gorilla.
“Desperate to prove his feelings to Ray, and with Christmas fast approaching, Alec decides the fastest way to Ray’s heart is to embrace the thing that threatens to divide them—a certain werewolf show with a certain actor who Ray admires. A simple kidnapping promises to do the trick, only fur (and fandom) fly when Alec’s romantic gesture leads to a very hairy situation. Can Alec prove to Ray how much their relationship means to him, or will his plans be ruined by the werewolf before Christmas?”
... I’m absolutely enraptured.


also, how the morning cult reveal felt:
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I might be totally off base here, but if there is a vigilante I wonder if they can only kill non-villagers? Like maybe they visit someone, can determine their role, then kill 3p’s/wolves, could be a mechanic for how some people in the thread claim to know if someone is village but can’t elaborate without putting a target on themselves. So for example maybe a vigilante killed Elmer and then Miss Frizzle (because she was converted)
I like this idea, but given that Elmer was beaten to death (albeit with his own shotgun), I think it’s more likely that he was a wolf kill.
 
Yeet Mayo

I don’t totally buy the theory about Random, and I think we should be focusing on yeeting a wolf.

I know the roles are RNG, but I feel like at least one of the more experienced players would be a wolf. Lawpy and M935 were village, and Kras has been soft-confirmed village/mason. Also, Mayo led the group to try and yeet me, without giving much of an explanation, even after I revealed my role and asked several times why they thought I was a wolf. This is not a retaliatory vote, but I think they are definitely trying to get villagers voted out and leading a bandwagon that’s at least partially sus.
 
I might be totally off base here, but if there is a vigilante I wonder if they can only kill non-villagers? Like maybe they visit someone, can determine their role, then kill 3p’s/wolves, could be a mechanic for how some people in the thread claim to know if someone is village but can’t elaborate without putting a target on themselves. So for example maybe a vigilante killed Elmer and then Miss Frizzle (because she was converted)
To follow up on this, really the only person where I feel like the timeline of events is such that I don't see a good argument NOT to yeet them is Random. There were apparent 3p kills every night EXCEPT the night that Random was blocked by the anvils.

I really think it's our best bet right now to yeet them - even if they're 3p and not a wolf, they've still killed villagers.
 
I went through and decided to analyze all of the night deaths we've had so far

N1:
Scrooge, blunt force trauma
Inspector gadget, shot multiple times with gun (probably killed by Elmer?)

N2:
Elmer fudd, beaten with his gun
Haunter, unknown


N3:
Scooby, beaten to death

N4:
Buttercup, shot with gun
Miss frizzle, unknown ("caught unawares")

I like Viscern's theory that the other person killing is a vigilante, or maybe they can only kill on even nights? If Elmer had not been killed on N2, maybe we would have had 3 kills that night.
So I'm wondering if on N2, Elmer was the one to kill Haunter before he himself was killed? On that night, Cyclops heard gunfire/commotion, and we know that Elmer used a shotgun to kill (since he was the one to likely kill Inspector Gadget). Also, before Elmer was killed, he was desperately trying to get away from a location: "Elmer Fudd fled the third floor of the hotel, paying little attention to how conspicuous he was being, he needed to get away now. He made it to his room, out of breath, and collapsed against the door. He only felt safe for half a moment though..." and we don't technically know the exact times when each were killed either. Though we also don't know the COD of Haunter, because Elmer was probably a wolf kill (he was beaten), Haunter could have been shot, perhaps by Elmer...?

IF Elmer was the one to kill Haunter (based on this theory) then it looks like N4 was the only night that there was a kill that we can't pinpoint, and this would be where another 3p or a vigilante villager would come in. It looks like someone else is using a gun, though I don't know much more beyond that. It's possibly that whoever used a gun on N4 to kill could have also been the person on N2 to kill Haunter, but then why would Elmer be running away so desperately from a location, if not to kill?
 
So I'm wondering if on N2, Elmer was the one to kill Haunter before he himself was killed? On that night, Cyclops heard gunfire/commotion, and we know that Elmer used a shotgun to kill (since he was the one to likely kill Inspector Gadget). Also, before Elmer was killed, he was desperately trying to get away from a location: "Elmer Fudd fled the third floor of the hotel, paying little attention to how conspicuous he was being, he needed to get away now. He made it to his room, out of breath, and collapsed against the door. He only felt safe for half a moment though..." and we don't technically know the exact times when each were killed either. Though we also don't know the COD of Haunter, because Elmer was probably a wolf kill (he was beaten), Haunter could have been shot, perhaps by Elmer...?

IF Elmer was the one to kill Haunter (based on this theory) then it looks like N4 was the only night that there was a kill that we can't pinpoint, and this would be where another 3p or a vigilante villager would come in. It looks like someone else is using a gun, though I don't know much more beyond that. It's possibly that whoever used a gun on N4 to kill could have also been the person on N2 to kill Haunter, but then why would Elmer be running away so desperately from a location, if not to kill?
Oh actually, now that I'm re-reading the post for the millionth time, maybe Elmer was trying to kill Cyclops (which is why Cyclops heard the gunfire/commotion in the first place), but someone/something was able to protect Cyclops from the kill, which could also be why Elmer was trying to run away from that location. In this case, there is someone who is able to kill, but it looks like only on even nights (N2 & N4), which is why we didn't see a 3rd kill on N1, and also a 2nd kill on N2.
 
Merry Christmas to those who celebrate! I spent my morning doing some wildlife rehab and snuck some extra food to my favorite ravens and roadrunners (shhh don’t tell anyone) as their gifts. All I can give to ya’ll are many thanks for making this game fun, you’re all amazing! And thank you mods!!

I’ll be on later to read through and make a final decision on my vote. Not sure what to think, per usual.
 
Day 5: They're Heeeere Yeet Tally

mayo (2) - samac, alleycat
Nasterzinger (1) - mammalade
Randomizereh (3) - supershorty, Aprilthearab, Booksandshoes
Bread (1) - mayo


7/18

Leading: --

Missing: most

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Yeet/Vote closes at 9pm Eastern, TODAY, 12/25/2020 (~8 hours)
 
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FistTo follow up on this, really the only person where I feel like the timeline of events is such that I don't see a good argument NOT to yeet them is Random. There were apparent 3p kills every night EXCEPT the night that Random was blocked by the anvils.

I really think it's our best bet right now to yeet them - even if they're 3p and not a wolf, they've still killed villagers.
Kills could be vigilante, as I outlined earlier. Vigilante is very valuable, since it’s basically an extra wolf-vote-free yeet. It would be especially valuable if it had the kill restrictions mammalade points out are possible given the kill pattern we’ve seen. Plus, intentionally yeeting any villager, even if they’re killing other villagers (which, again, we’ve done by vote as well. By the logic you give, we should all give up, stop yeeting, and just wait for wolves to kill us. I’d rather go down fighting than just hand the game to scum
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) wastes a chance to get a wolf and, worse, brings us closer to parity. Even if they’re a 3p killer, they’re still not AGAINST us like wolves and cult are. They’re killing villagers, but only due to random chance - they have no reason to avoid killing wolves or cult, and don’t have any more info than us that would let them avoid doing so. Now that we’re down so many villagers, it’s becoming more and more likely that they’ll kill woofs or cult.

We can’t settle for a 3p yeet. If we try to get a wolf or cult leader and happen to get a 3p killer, fine. But after the reveal that there’s not only more scum than we thought, but a converter? Focus on them.
 
Yeet Mayo

I don’t totally buy the theory about Random, and I think we should be focusing on yeeting a wolf.

I know the roles are RNG, but I feel like at least one of the more experienced players would be a wolf. Lawpy and M935 were village, and Kras has been soft-confirmed village/mason. Also, Mayo led the group to try and yeet me, without giving much of an explanation, even after I revealed my role and asked several times why they thought I was a wolf. This is not a retaliatory vote, but I think they are definitely trying to get villagers voted out and leading a bandwagon that’s at least partially sus.

So far the case against me is that I've played the game before. There's not really any strategy there, other than assuming that the mods are lying about how roles are assigned.

This is the n00b game and everyone has been given a mannator who is far more experienced that kras or I at this game... so the wolves don't need a player who has never wolfed before to make them better. It would be less of an advantage than a brand new wolf with a mannator.

Focus on gameplay, not number of games played. That's how we find the wolves.
 
I was so sure of Nas when it seemed like their whole role was searching for jelly to cure their post restrictions, possibly as a penalty for an ability they used N1. It seemed waaaaay elaborate to fake as a wolf plot and I didn’t see how that would be a wolf role. But this sudden claim of having some super-helpful ability in 2 days is really sus. Why would you announce that in advance on the thread? What kind of suicidal villager begs the wolves to kill them when we already have multiple probably-still-confirmed villagers who need protection? It seems like there’s only 1 person protected per night (unless there have been more people getting night messages about protection that they’ve kept quiet, which honestly would be smart imo. Sometimes it’s better to keep info from the rest of the village than to volunteer info that could help the wolves kill better), so Nas a) can’t count on getting their protection and b) is recklessly endangering the masons who need protection by revealing their ability for no reason. I’m sure wolves would LOVE to bait protection away from the masons, especially as getting killed by a 3p or vig gets more threatening to them with dwindling villager numbers.

@Nasterzinger explain your reasoning, please?
 
Look for similarities in sunshiny and cessna wagons

The one that stands out to me is Alleycat3. They are comfortably in the middle or end of every bandwagon, and I haven't heard their name tossed around once.

I'll do an iso tomorrow sometime.

Contingency Yeet Alleycat

Books, Alleycat, Random, lumya, Nasterzinger, bio, Vet1, maybe hallowman.

These are the players who have tried to lay low for at least one day. There is a wolf in this group. Maybe more than one. That group is still too big.

Alleycat's votes look bad. I coudl be talked into Vet1 for the same reason. Or Bio because people tried to save her.

Books and Random have posted the least, which makes them the hardest to read. Which is extremely frustrating.



Honestly, I still want to yeet Lawpy, but I'm not touching it with the mod message today.

Yeet Mayo

I don’t totally buy the theory about Random, and I think we should be focusing on yeeting a wolf.

I know the roles are RNG, but I feel like at least one of the more experienced players would be a wolf. Lawpy and M935 were village, and Kras has been soft-confirmed village/mason. Also, Mayo led the group to try and yeet me, without giving much of an explanation, even after I revealed my role and asked several times why they thought I was a wolf. This is not a retaliatory vote, but I think they are definitely trying to get villagers voted out and leading a bandwagon that’s at least partially sus.

The quotes above also explain why the vote ended up on you. You've been at the tipping point of several big bandwagons on villagers. You laid low the first few days until you were called on it. Yesterday you were miraculously saved by a last minute tie (something that in the past typically helps wolves).

Last night two of the four people who have played the game before and who have been the most vocal throughout got killed. Now you are coming for the other one? It sounds to me like you got called out. Got saved by the wolves and are now trying to clear out the experienced players.
 
Yeet Radom

Because it's Christmas, and I'm not sure how much I'll be able to log back in to defend myself.

I think we should be going for alleycat, but I need to be on the right side of the numbers to keep wolf hunting and Random is also sus.
 
Yeet Mayo

I don’t totally buy the theory about Random, and I think we should be focusing on yeeting a wolf.

I know the roles are RNG, but I feel like at least one of the more experienced players would be a wolf. Lawpy and M935 were village, and Kras has been soft-confirmed village/mason. Also, Mayo led the group to try and yeet me, without giving much of an explanation, even after I revealed my role and asked several times why they thought I was a wolf. This is not a retaliatory vote, but I think they are definitely trying to get villagers voted out and leading a bandwagon that’s at least partially sus.


Lastly, reflector is not a village role, it is an ability.

Whether I'm yeeted today or not, PLEASE everyone remember. Any ability can be village, wolf, or 3P. Don't vote based on abilities. Sometimes the same ability exists amongst the wolves and the village in the same game.
 
Day 5: They're Heeeere Yeet Tally

mayo (2) - samac, alleycat
Nasterzinger (1) - mammalade
Randomizereh (4) - supershorty, Aprilthearab, Booksandshoes, mayo
Bread (1) - mayo


8/18

Leading: --

Missing: many

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Yeet/Vote + Election closes at 9pm Eastern, TODAY, 12/25/2020 (~4 hours)
 
I'm not confident enough in the Random vote to go for it and I don't have Mayo in wolf reads. I actually have more suspicions on Viscernable and maybe Telemarketing so I'll read up a bit before I vote.
 
Not kras and samac since they're confirmed masons, but theres someone else in that list that I am confident is not wolfy, but would like to wait on outing till later (trying to talk it over with my mentor)

Also, because now that we have cultists that make our (villager's) job extra difficult, I think it may be best to try to figure out the wolves first before finding 3p (which I'm definitely not). If there is a 3p out there that is killing, it looks like they can't kill every night for some reason so there must be a contingency that doesn't allow them to kill every night. If we're able to yeet a wolf before yeeting a chaos 3p (which I can't stress enough that I'm not) that will help us long run.
I've been thinking about this comment a lot throughout the day. You're saying you know someone on that list is village but don't want to out them as village, can I ask the reason? By not giving is the information, my noob brain can only see how it harms the village because the villagers are the players at a disadvantage of knowledge. The wolves get to know each other from the start, and presumably the cult knows each other or at the very least the cult leader may know who've they converted. But the villagers don't get to know for certain who is a villager unless information is revealed. So if you claim "X person" is village then you haven't told the wolves or cult anything they don't know, so I assume it shouldn't put a target on them.

Of course, it doesn't necessarily mean we know your claim is credible, but it gives us something to go on. Especially if that person does turn out being otherwise soft/hard confirmed village we would know you are probably a credible source on other things you say (or at least were when you gave the info, I guess anyone can be confirmed village and then turned cult?). By not telling us I'm thinking either a) it somehow outs your role/ability or their role/ability to reveal them, and you need to keep it private, b) you maybe hadn't considered that wolves would already know who is village (I'm a noob too, it took me all this time to consider that), or c) a wolf who wants to cast doubt on that list without naming who is/are the wolves on that list because naming them would give us a wolf, so instead claiming to know someone on the list is a villager (aside from masons) without naming them casts doubt among the villagers.



Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays and here's to the approach of a new year at last!!!
WildZoo, did you have to change the font color of each letter individually to get that gradient?? How long did that take you? (or is that and SDN function and I'm dumb)
 
I'm not confident enough in the Random vote to go for it and I don't have Mayo in wolf reads. I actually have more suspicions on Viscernable and maybe Telemarketing so I'll read up a bit before I vote.

i like to think I've been as close to 100% transparent as possible with my lines of thinking throughout this game (including when those lines of thinking are PANIC), which is my main defense of myself as not-wolf (or cult, for that matter). but I can recognize where I've been on bandwagons and such that put me under suspicion, generally fueled by said panic

In interest of that full transparency, I would still like to know more about the message you got about m395 being villager when he had been turned cult. I don't know what order the night actions happen in so it's possible the message came before the turn, but it still strikes me as odd and I feel like we haven't addressed it fully. have you had other night messages that make you confident in the truth of that one?
 
WildZoo, did you have to change the font color of each letter individually to get that gradient?? How long did that take you? (or is that and SDN function and I'm dumb)
Haha nah I use a bb code colorizer

 
i like to think I've been as close to 100% transparent as possible with my lines of thinking throughout this game (including when those lines of thinking are PANIC), which is my main defense of myself as not-wolf (or cult, for that matter). but I can recognize where I've been on bandwagons and such that put me under suspicion, generally fueled by said panic

In interest of that full transparency, I would still like to know more about the message you got about m395 being villager when he had been turned cult. I don't know what order the night actions happen in so it's possible the message came before the turn, but it still strikes me as odd and I feel like we haven't addressed it fully. have you had other night messages that make you confident in the truth of that one?
Weird theory, but do you think cults can convert the dead? Hear me out...

It seems there were three actions on M935. Maybe first was someone seer-ing them (as village), then second they got killed, and the last one converted their dead body to cult.


It's probably too weird but would be so confusing.
 
Oh good, I didn't want to imagine you sitting there for three hours individually selecting the font colors
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Just because she knows where to find the bb code generator doesn't mean she didn't also waste 3 hours using the gradient slider to pick the prettiest colors
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Just because she knows where to find the bb code generator doesn't mean she didn't also waste 3 hours using the gradient slider to pick the prettiest colors
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Shhhhhhhhh
 
Weird theory, but do you think cults can convert the dead? Hear me out...

It seems there were three actions on M935. Maybe first was someone seer-ing them (as village), then second they got killed, and the last one converted their dead body to cult.


It's probably too weird but would be so confusing.
The flower is a weird action. We haven’t seen any actions similar to that before and it doesn’t clearly map to a staple action like blocking, getting info, or protecting. I could see getting a flower marking conversion...
 
Wait I’m dumb, the writeup says m935 was converted slightly before death :smack:
 
By not giving is the information, my noob brain can only see how it harms the village because the villagers are the players at a disadvantage of knowledge. The wolves get to know each other from the start, and presumably the cult knows each other or at the very least the cult leader may know who've they converted. But the villagers don't get to know for certain who is a villager unless information is revealed. So if you claim "X person" is village then you haven't told the wolves or cult anything they don't know, so I assume it shouldn't put a target on them.
Does anyone know if cultists are able to know who else is a cultist? Are they able to discuss amongst themselves like I assume wolves are? Does it change from game to game?

Saying someone is definitely village could put a target on them to be converted because then people might be inclined to say "Don't yeet them, they're definitely village" and that's a good idea for a cult to convert.

It could also put a target on the person who exclaims another person village because then the wolves/cultists know that person has some kind of ability that lets them see more than the rest of the villagers.
 
That is useful information, though. M935 was not visited tonight before they were converted. It could be that the message Zepp got was from a seering action that gives the results from a previous night, or the seer might not need to physically visit the target. It does seem to cast at least some doubt that the message was from a real and trustworthy seer, though.
 
i like to think I've been as close to 100% transparent as possible with my lines of thinking throughout this game (including when those lines of thinking are PANIC), which is my main defense of myself as not-wolf (or cult, for that matter). but I can recognize where I've been on bandwagons and such that put me under suspicion, generally fueled by said panic

In interest of that full transparency, I would still like to know more about the message you got about m395 being villager when he had been turned cult. I don't know what order the night actions happen in so it's possible the message came before the turn, but it still strikes me as odd and I feel like we haven't addressed it fully. have you had other night messages that make you confident in the truth of that one?
No, I haven't gotten any more messages.
 
So someone converted M935, someone killed them, and then....? whats that last thing
Does anyone know if cultists are able to know who else is a cultist? Are they able to discuss amongst themselves like I assume wolves are? Does it change from game to game?

Saying someone is definitely village could put a target on them to be converted because then people might be inclined to say "Don't yeet them, they're definitely village" and that's a good idea for a cult to convert.

It could also put a target on the person who exclaims another person village because then the wolves/cultists know that person has some kind of ability that lets them see more than the rest of the villagers.
That's fair, I can see how confirming someone as village puts a target on them from the cult's perspective. Because I imagine the wolves know each other and don't know anyone else, and the cult might know each other or at least the converter knows who is cult, but the wolves likely don't know who is village vs. cult and the cult probably doesn't know who is village vs. wolf.

I guess I'm just frustrated because I want to know what's going on in this game and we obviously can't just tell stuff in the game thread and I wish I could just PM people but for obvious reasons that's against the rules, argh. My manator likes to guide me with more questions to my questions.
 
That's fair, I can see how confirming someone as village puts a target on them from the cult's perspective. Because I imagine the wolves know each other and don't know anyone else, and the cult might know each other or at least the converter knows who is cult, but the wolves likely don't know who is village vs. cult and the cult probably doesn't know who is village vs. wolf.
I don’t think it matters for them though. The cult wins if they get parity, the wolves win if they get parity. Wolves want to kill cultists just as much as they want to kill villagers and cultists want to convert wolves just as much as they want to convert villagers.
 
That is useful information, though. M935 was not visited tonight before they were converted. It could be that the message Zepp got was from a seering action that gives the results from a previous night, or the seer might not need to physically visit the target. It does seem to cast at least some doubt that the message was from a real and trustworthy seer, though.
If this mess was created by a seer, M935 was obviously village first so that's where I'm confused. This has to be a chaos character then.
 
I honestly don't know who to yeet. I've had such bad luck, that I feel like I can't trust any of these arguments. The arguments for Random make the most sense for me at the moment, but I don't know.

Can someone, @samac and @alleycat03 explain the argument for mayo?

I don’t think it matters for them though. The cult wins if they get parity, the wolves win if they get parity. Wolves want to kill cultists just as much as they want to kill villagers and cultists want to convert wolves just as much as they want to convert villagers.
Can cults convert village, 3P, and wolves to cultists? That would make sense, but just wanted to confirm.
 
I'm not confident enough in the Random vote to go for it and I don't have Mayo in wolf reads. I actually have more suspicions on Viscernable and maybe Telemarketing so I'll read up a bit before I vote.
Probably not visc because they have been soft confirmed as villager with samac
 
So someone converted M935, someone killed them, and then....? whats that last thing
The last thing is someone visited the then dead body and laid down a white orchid. It's not clear what their intentions for visiting were.
 
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