Saturday Morning Cartoons - 7th Annual Noob WW Game

[PhiloslothicalStudent]

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After yesterday, I was also a little sus of sunshine, she was very adamant and the most aggressive about trying to sway the election in a different way. Someone may have also been suspicious and used their power to figure out her role, but we can’t really be sure at this point. I would also like to hear more from others.

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

Agree. I also would like to hear from sunshine what that means.

 

[jhmmd]

The immediate thought is that we've got a very sunny wolf in our midst, but it could also be an interesting twist that sunshine is some non-wolf special role. Or it's all a ruse and sunshine is just a normal villager. I need to hear more about what others have to say before i feel confident leaning towards any of those options.

I don't know about sunshine either

 

[samac]

I gotta say I thought sunshinefl was so adamant yesterday that I thought she could end up dead today.
Do wolves have special powers? Can they point us at someone else? Cause that would be a very smart person to throw suspicion at.

 

[Booksandshoes]

Based on the modus operandi, one of the wolves has to either have the physical strength and stamina, but the other could potentially be physically weaker as shooting a gun does not require as much physical strength. Thus, I am inclining towards a connection between these two victims, and my guess is that there were some mutual enemies towards these two. But more information is definitely needed.

 

[mammalade]

I’m inclined to think that message is from someone who used a special ability to do some kind of investigation on sunshine? Maybe it means sunshine is a third party (what are third parties I still don’t entirely get that)? Or they’re a wolf? Or a wolf used an ability to cast suspicion on sunshine to distract us?

I’m interested to see what sunshine has to say?

 

[kaydubs]

Day 2: Whodunnit Yeet Tally

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Missing: all!

Yeet/Vote closes at 9pm Eastern (~9 hours)

 

[anthony210]

Let’s see what sunshine has to say before casting any doubts, because right now that statement in the night summary could mean anything

 

[supershorty]

Based on the modus operandi, one of the wolves has to either have the physical strength and stamina, but the other could potentially be physically weaker as shooting a gun does not require as much physical strength. Thus, I am inclining towards a connection between these two victims, and my guess is that there were some mutual enemies towards these two. But more information is definitely needed.

Wait, wolves have different characteristics like strength/stamina/etc. from each other? I thought it was just an overall category that people were in.

I still don't fully understand third parties either, tbh... starting to feel like I need to take notes.

 

[alissa14]

(what are third parties I still don’t entirely get that)?

3rd parties are players that do not align with the village or wolf team. Sometimes they can be entirely benign and harmless where the 3rd party (often abbreviated as 3P) has a set of win conditions that do not harm either team. Other times you can have a chaos role, which can do a number of things depending on mod. Or you can have a serial killer, which is considered a scum role and must be eliminated by the village for the village to win

 

[mammalade]

Based on the modus operandi, one of the wolves has to either have the physical strength and stamina, but the other could potentially be physically weaker...

Are there only two wolves? Do we know how many there are an I missed it somewhere or am I misreading this

 

[alissa14]

Wait, wolves have different characteristics like strength/stamina/etc. from each other? I thought it was just an overall category that people were in.

Wolves can have different abilities just like villagers can have different abilities. The wolf team is able to attempt one kill per night unless there is a wolf with an ability to make an extra kills.

 

[supershorty]

3rd parties are players that do not align with the village or wolf team. Sometimes they can be entirely benign and harmless where the 3rd party (often abbreviated as 3P) has a set of win conditions that do not harm either team. Other times you can have a chaos role, which can do a number of things depending on mod. Or you can have a serial killer, which is considered a scum role and must be eliminated by the village for the village to win

This is probably a dumb question, but there's usually only 1 faction of villagers and 1 of wolves, right? There's not like multiple wolf packs running around or something like that?

 

[alissa14]

Are there only two wolves? Do we know how many there are an I missed it somewhere or am I misreading this

The number of players determines number of wolves and 3P. In a game where there is only wolves and villagers, there is roughly 1 wolf for every 4 villagers. But this is not a concrete formula and can depend on the mod and the roles given to each player and if there are any 3P roles

 

[alissa14]

This is probably a dumb question, but there's usually only 1 faction of villagers and 1 of wolves, right? There's not like multiple wolf packs running around or something like that?

sort of... there can be a 3P player out there or even multiple 3Ps depending on mod and game. The only time when there are competing scum factions are when the game is a multi ball setup. This is not one of those games. In this game, there are 2 main factions, wolves and villagers, with the possibility of some players being 3P

 

[anthony210]

So, at the moment, we know that there was either a wolf double kill or a third party in play based on what I’m reading above. 🤔

 

[alissa14]

This is probably a dumb question, but there's usually only 1 faction of villagers and 1 of wolves, right? There's not like multiple wolf packs running around or something like that?

I should correct myself and add that yes sometimes there are multiple wolf packs or a lone wolf that can kill. But this is a noob game and I’m not sure dubz would want to scar all you nooblets with that just yet

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

So, at the moment, we know that there was either a wolf double kill or a third party in play based on what I’m reading above. 🤔

Seems that way. I also initially assumed that the victims might be linked because of the double kill.

 

[mammalade]

I’m leaning towards wolf and third party kill. If wolves have a double kill (assuming they can use that only once and not like ever night??) why would it be used on night one when nothing is known really about anyone? Seems like it would be a shot in the dark (pun not intended) and they would save for later, so maybe second kill is unaffiliated?

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

I’m leaning towards wolf and third party kill. If wolves have a double kill (assuming they can use that only once and not like ever night??) why would it be used on night one when nothing is known really about anyone? Seems like it would be a shot in the dark (pun not intended) and they would save for later, so maybe second kill is unaffiliated?

Or the two players are linked so that if one dies, the other dies too. They killed one and got a two-fer without intending to.

 

[anthony210]

I’m leaning towards wolf and third party kill. If wolves have a double kill (assuming they can use that only once and not like ever night??) why would it be used on night one when nothing is known really about anyone? Seems like it would be a shot in the dark (pun not intended) and they would save for later, so maybe second kill is unaffiliated?

That might be a reason why wolves did a double kill in the first place as well, we know nothing. They can get in and get out unscathed because no suspicions are out right now.

 

[supershorty]

I’m leaning towards wolf and third party kill. If wolves have a double kill (assuming they can use that only once and not like ever night??) why would it be used on night one when nothing is known really about anyone? Seems like it would be a shot in the dark (pun not intended) and they would save for later, so maybe second kill is unaffiliated?

I agree, it seems to me like it would make more sense to use that ability later (if you're correct and it's only a one-time thing) - especially since I don't remember either of the killed people really participating yesterday. I feel like it would make more sense to target the experienced players if it was a wolf double kill.

 

[supershorty]

Or the two players are linked so that if one dies, the other dies too. They killed one and got a two-fer without intending to.

I feel like every time I look at this thread, I read something and go "that's a thing??" This post is no exception.

Steep learning curve in these games.

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

I feel like every time I look at this thread, I read something and go "that's a thing??" This post is no exception.

Steep learning curve in these games.

Yes, it was a thing in one of the games I played. Basically the mods can do almost anything.

 

[mammalade]

Or the two players are linked so that if one dies, the other dies too. They killed one and got a two-fer without intending to.

Interesting, I didn’t know this was possibly a thing. So maybe the wolves did both incessantly by killing one of them?

That might be a reason why wolves did a double kill in the first place as well, we know nothing. They can get in and get out unscathed because no suspicions are out right now.

Will we get more information on who is doing things? Because then it could make sense that they might use it the first night to kill more of us before we can sus them out. I still think they would hold onto it in case someone catches onto them later in the game they can dispose of that person, so I’m still thinking there was a third party (or maybe linked if that’s a thing).

 

[anthony210]

I agree, it seems to me like it would make more sense to use that ability later (if you're correct and it's only a one-time thing) - especially since I don't remember either of the killed people really participating yesterday. I feel like it would make more sense to target the experienced players if it was a wolf double kill.

See I thought it wouldn’t be limited? Hey, could a mod confirm if an ability like that would be limited or not?

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

Yeah it’s a thing. Or it can be if the mods choose to include it. So it’s definitely a possibility. As is a third party thing or just noob wolves blowing their shot early.

Hard to tell now. We’ll really only be able to get more info if people talk. It’ll not be a very fun game if only like 5-6 people talk every day.

 

[PhiloslothicalStudent]

Or the two players are linked so that if one dies, the other dies too. They killed one and got a two-fer without intending to.

Yes! I remember this being a factor last year, it’s definitely a possibility

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

See I thought it wouldn’t be limited? Hey, could a mod confirm if an ability like that would be limited or not?

It could be either. They probably aren’t going to tell us which it was. Some people have abilities they can only use once, some have abilities they can use continuously.

 

[mammalade]

I feel like it would be overpowered so I really hope the wolves can’t just be out here double killing every night, but idk if that’s normal in WW

 

[PhiloslothicalStudent]

It’ll not be a very fun game if only like 5-6 people talk every day.

Yeah, I feel like we are at a little bit of a stand still until more people start participating.

 

[alissa14]

See I thought it wouldn’t be limited? Hey, could a mod confirm if an ability like that would be limited or not?

depends on the mod and the ability. You can definitely Google search mafia roles and that can give you an idea of the scope of possibilities out there. But again mods can add as much flare as they want.

 

[anthony210]

It could be either. They probably aren’t going to tell us which it was. Some people have abilities they can only use once, some have abilities they can use continuously.

Oh, well that sucks. Let’s hope it’s not the latter in that statement

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

Oh, well that sucks. Let’s hope it’s not the latter in that statement

I doubt a double kill power would be continuous. The game would end too fast.

 

[TelemarketingEnigma]

If the descriptions of the manner of death are important, i'm inclined to suspect 2 separate kills (wolf + third party or maybe double wolf) rather than an incidental kill through a linked players mechanic - seems like that could have been described more like a bystander hit by a stray bullet or something like that, rather than two completely separate MOs

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

I’m basically at a standstill until sunshine comes on and if anyone who was involved in that info about her wants to speak up, though I understand why they might not want to.

 

[anthony210]

I doubt a double kill power would be continuous. The game would end too fast.

This is probably true. Also could be why they’d use that ability now as they know they could use it effectively, because again, no suspicions.

but then again, it probably would have been smarter to save it? Just seems odd to me.

EDIT: it could also be a third party, I know

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

If the descriptions of the manner of death are important, i'm inclined to suspect 2 separate kills (wolf + third party or maybe double wolf) rather than an incidental kill through a linked players mechanic - seems like that could have been described more like a bystander hit by a stray bullet or something like that, rather than two completely separate MOs

I’m inclined to agree with this. I don’t think it necessarily rules it out. The mods could get creative and maybe the blunt force trauma was like the impact of the bullet holes being felt by that person from their linked person. But that’s a reach.

I think it’s more likely that it was either a double kill power or a third party. But could be linked still.

 

[alleycat03]

I’m basically at a standstill until sunshine comes on and if anyone who was involved in that info about her wants to speak up, though I understand why they might not want to.

I agree with M935, I feel like there’s not much of a risk in voting to yeet sunshine but I want her to defend herself and explain before I cast a vote. I’m still semi-confused on how many wolves there are? Do we think there’s like 3 or 4?

 

[alleycat03]

Based on my very limited knowledge, it seems more likely that there was a double kill or a 3P was involved. If the two killed villagers were linked, I think either their cartoons or the MO of how they were killed would be related.

 

[supershorty]

This is probably true. Also could be why they’d use that ability now as they know they could use it effectively, because again, no suspicions.

but then again, it probably would have been smarter to save it? Just seems odd to me.

EDIT: it could also be a third party, I know

A lot of us in this game are noobs, could be noob wolves don't have their strategy pinned down yet and got overzealous with the killing on night 1.

 

[anthony210]

I agree with M935, I feel like there’s not much of a risk in voting to yeet sunshine but I want her to defend herself and explain before I cast a vote. I’m still semi-confused on how many wolves there are? Do we think there’s like 3 or 4?

My guess is at least 4. There’s 27 people, I’d imagine there’s a good chunk of wolves in there

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

My guess is at least 4. There’s 27 people, I’d imagine there’s a good chunk of wolves in there

I'm guessing 4-5 and 1-2 third parties.

A lot of us in this game are noobs, could be noob wolves don't have their strategy pinned down yet and got overzealous with the killing on night 1.

This is a good point. The strategy could have been simply let's kill as many as we can as fast as possible.

 

[TelemarketingEnigma]

Would also love to hear if anyone has alternative suspicions besides sunshine. The fact that no one has jumped in to protect sunshine yet makes me think we could be wrong about potential wolfiness, unless they think they need to sacrifice one of their own to avoid suspicion (or are waiting for more discussion before slipping in alternative yeeting options). But could also just be that the wolves aren't among those who've been actively posting this morning, things might get more interesting when people wake up/finish work/whatever else they might be doing today

 

[TelemarketingEnigma]

to clarify though, wrong about wolfiness doesn't have to mean normal good villager - could be a 3P responsible for one of the kills, etc

 

[samac]

Would also love to hear if anyone has alternative suspicions besides sunshine. The fact that no one has jumped in to protect sunshine yet makes me think we could be wrong about potential wolfiness, unless they think they need to sacrifice one of their own to avoid suspicion (or are waiting for more discussion before slipping in alternative yeeting options). But could also just be that the wolves aren't among those who've been actively posting this morning, things might get more interesting when people wake up/finish work/whatever else they might be doing today

I honestly don’t have any suspicions at this point and I don’t want to yeet sunshine until she gives us more info.
I probably also have an unhealthy attachment to her because we’ve been around the same DO forums for a long time.

 

[WildZoo]

Yes, it was a thing in one of the games I played. Basically the mods can do almost anything.

Almost???

 

[WildZoo]

The game would end too fast.

No such thing, this mod is already tired 😉

 

[mammalade]

Sunshine was last active 1 min ago, they're among us

 

[mammalade]

unless I actually have no idea how to use SDN and I'm checking it wrong