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[SnowshoeDog143]

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Your wording earlier today implied prescience that I would not expect to see from a villager.

Which post was it that his wording was weird? I have him as neutral right now because none of his posts has really stood out to me.

 

[SnowshoeDog143]

I'm not really into PMing that much but I did role reveal to both WZ and Teep earlier this afternoon. I just did it in the interest of spreading info and hoping to gain a little credibility if either of them knew who my other comrades were. That's all I'm going to say about that. WZ was friendly, Teep won't say much to me because I'm on his sketch list but he did share his reasoning for thinking I'm sketchy.

Oh just saw this. I'm interested to hear from WZ and Teep about what they think of her.

 

[allieh8607]

Top Suspicions: Allie - reasons stated, not playing like I remember, repeating other peoples thoughts, and overly defensive about the mention of her being sketch. Hopefully I'm not tunnelling.

Can you please quote my posts that you think are repeating other peoples thoughts?

 

[Animal Midwife]

Unofficial Day 3 Lynch Tally

Pippy (1) - SP
Jil () -
FS (1) - LIS
Teep (1) - Pippy
vmh (1) - Mel
Mel (1) - Jil
allie (2) - AM, Snowy
Snowy (1) - allie

8/15

Deadline in 4.5 hours
@kaydubs

 

[Skimble]

Ok, so roll your eyes. I'm just saying that if I were wolfing, I would probably not be killing me tonight if I was right about things. Maybe if I'm way off base with the theories. In that case, ok sure.

I actually just now realized why those statements make me eye roll, and it has nothing to do with you. So, I’m sorry, maybe after the game I will explain it to you via pm.

 

[PippyPony]

Which post was it that his wording was weird? I have him as neutral right now because none of his posts has really stood out to me.

This one:

Yeah I did have a quiet day yesterday, I'll try and be better today.
I was pretty early on in the lynch, and had was expecting britzen to have some reasonable explanation/defense. That never happened so I stuck through on it. I'd rather vote to add more pressure than throw a single vote on someone and have it not pick up any steam.

It was that he says here that he "expects" her to have a reasonable defense. My argument is that if you knew she was seered/tracked/whatever good info, as his lynch vote for Britzen implied, then why would you be expecting a defense unless it was something that was being done deliberately.

For reference, this was the Britzen vote:

I was leaning towards allie this morning, as I thought britzen was just overreacting to some pressure. Genny is being understandably vague, so I'll

lynch britzen

to put more pressure on

 

[Teepster87]

I was only the 3rd person on the britzen vote yesterday, it was by no means a run away yet, and she proceeded to kind of spin out later in the day as the jig was up.
As I stated earlier, I was expecting a reasonable defense, which there was still plenty of time to do. It just never came.

 

[PippyPony]

I was only the 3rd person on the britzen vote yesterday, it was by no means a run away yet, and she proceeded to kind of spin out later in the day as the jig was up.
As I stated earlier, I was expecting a reasonable defense, which there was still plenty of time to do. It just never came.

But that's exactly my point. Why were you waiting for a reasonable defense if you thought genny was implying seer results? What wolf is going to reasonably defend against seering? If you were assuming the info was bad, why include the part about genny being "understandably" vague? To me, that implies you already believed her results.

It just doesn't make any sense to me.

 

[Teepster87]

But that's exactly my point. Why were you waiting for a reasonable defense if you thought genny was implying seer results? What wolf is going to reasonably defend against seering? If you were assuming the info was bad, why include the part about genny being "understandably" vague? To me, that implies you already believed her results.

It just doesn't make any sense to me.

I might have to go back and find gennys post, but IIRC she said later in the day that her item illuminated britz moving towards Crayola. It could have been a handful of other actions that she (?) could have performed on Crayola. A kill wouldn't have been the only plausible explaination.

 

[WildZoo]

Sorry for wall of text. Kinda figured it was better than a bunch of individual posts?
My ability was stolen last night. Can't say whether that was a more wolfy or villagey move, but it sure does piss me off!

And on the note of the teep vote, meh, idk about lynching him on weakish stuff this early. He was a late add...like, not added until the game had already started. Seems chances of being wolf are kinda low.

If it really was an item then I'm not sure wolves would actually get notified about it. Although maybe item vs ability doesn't even make a difference and people never get notified of seering in kaydubs's games. But that would change my wolfy list a bit, I think.

If notified, I'd expect one maaaaybe 2 wolves to be ready to jump on the vote early. That would make me want to look more closely at AM and Teep. Then I would expect to see a few more jump on at kind of random intervals...kind of using the logic that dubz so nicely laid out earlier about why voting analysis doesn't work.

If I recall correctly, kaydubs leans a little more towards the more info side as far as notifications go. So while it isn't typical across the board for players to be notified when they're seered, I wouldn't be surprised in a kaydubs game.

Also I didn't say voting analysis doesn't work - I was specifically talking about analysis based on final tallies alone. I do think that in general votes on a day where info comes out against a wolf early on are harder to analyze, but I think yesterday was one where it isn't impossible, since genny was vague about it.

Sporty has had some very minor opposing language in her posts

Could you point to these posts specifically?

DVMD is wrong, but that doesn't mean wolfy, and I'm not sure she would push this hard on something like this, this early on, if she was a wolf.

She absolutely would

I feel like you are missing the point. Anytime anyone says I would/wouldn’t do that as a wolf” it doesn’t mean anything. I’ve said it too, but I know anytime I say it, it doesn’t mean anything and often admit that in the same post.

I don't know that I agree with this. Sure there is WIFOM. But sometimes people get tunneling on you and because they have decided you're suspicious, they see everything you do through that lens. What options are left for a defense other than pointing out how your actions make more sense for a villager than a wolf? Sure one thing here or there doesn't mean anything, but there comes a point where you have to actually look at what someone is doing and decide if it even makes sense for them to behave that way as a wolf. Because there are very few times when a wolf will do something to the detriment of their team in every other way, just because it might get them some village cred.

Even though the mod specifically posted for people to hurry up and get moves in? Hmmmmmm.

I mean, I was skimming and even I picked up that Genny had <something> to go off of.

You're usually way more attentive to detail. Your replies to DVMD are way off of your norm.

I do think some of pip's lack of attention to detail and being "off" or whatever to some extent this game is due more to real life things than game things.
I think it would be a bit of unnecessary self sabotage for her to have intentionally put herself in a position where she has to defend constantly on days when she should be studying. Pip's a smart enough wolf to have made these days a little easier on herself if she could.

I really want to point out here that I am usually way more attentive to detail AS A WOLF than I am as a villager, and actually in fact typically get significantly more side eyes early game as a villager

Hmmm who else has said things like this before? 😛

For dubz, it was deliberately done and right in the vicinity of a post how wolves would consider their votes carefully and do what was unexpected, so for her this one data point is neutral.

Isn't every data point with me neutral, or neutral leaning wolf? 😉

3 questions:
Who was blocked?
What was the wording of your blocked message?
Did someone “feel an odd tingling” last night?

I get that you're looking for a wolfy blocker or something (which would make sense - village blocker is dead, people are still getting blocked), but I'm kinda curious what exactly you're trying to do with this line of questioning. Because if you're just trying to build a list of people who were blocked, I don't know that it will be helpful in determining who the blocker is.

Ok, but what I'm also saying is that a lot of you guys were reading those conversations after they already happened. So, duh - of course it was easy to see what genny was saying in context. But I was responding to her as things were happening. So I guess, you're welcome for me being obtuse and making her elaborate?

Do you see what I'm saying here -- by the time some of you guys started picking up on this stuff, it was when I was also picking up on it. A bunch of you were doing catch up reads where everything has a logical flow pattern that makes it more obvious than a single post in isolation, which is what I was initially responding to.

For me at least, I didn't read ahead as I was catching up. So my reaction was essentially real time...not like I edited it based on later readings.

Does kaydubs usually put items in her games?

I believe so. But may need to double check that. I think the last game that she designed that I played was Under the Sea, and I was too busy chasing Cthulhu to pay attention to anything else.

I do see dubz doing it.

Lol. What about my previous wolf play makes you think this is in any way something I would go for?

I have checked my PMs this game and am not a wolf. 🙂

Well LIS is now top of my village list!

In my experience in other games ability thieves usually have to use or lose an ability, they can't hoard them until they see fit or anything like that.

This is usually the case. I may have helped design a role that was...more along the lines of the latter, but now can't recall if it even made it into the game.

I mean a higher than normal wolf-villager ratio. I don't know how kaydubs usually distributes things. I'm just using some artistic license here.

It's still silly. Wolves need numbers. They can't predict how the rest of the game is going to go. You don't just go throwing away a wolf for no reason.
I kinda see where you're going with the surplus thing - if teep was a late add then hey, wolves had one to spare. But...I just don't agree with it.

WZ and Pippy's interactions yesterday where they both were sketched out by each other made me think of a mild version of LIS and Pippy from last game where they were both wolves. I want to say that pippy is leaning more village though because of the numerous word vomitting posts. So I'm leaning towards WZ being the wolfy one based on that.

So, you think it was like a wolf-wolf interaction, but you conclusion is actually that it was wolf-village? What?

Oh just saw this. I'm interested to hear from WZ and Teep about what they think of her.

Eh. I don't know what wolf roles look like this game. She seems innocuous enough though.

Working on my reads now, I still want to hear more from cyndia.

 

[WildZoo]

lynch snowy

I could still go for a cyndia lynch, but since I disagree with most of the other candidates for today I'd rather vote somewhere a little bit more useful.

Top 4: snowy, cyndia, Jil, maybe sporty or FS

 

[PippyPony]

lynch snowy

I could still go for a cyndia lynch, but since I disagree with most of the other candidates for today I'd rather vote somewhere a little bit more useful.

Top 4: snowy, cyndia, Jil, maybe sporty or FS

*tiny squint*

 

[WildZoo]

*tiny squint*

Yes, pipperoo?

 

[PippyPony]

Yes, pipperoo?

Big long quote post mostly not about suspicions, with only one part that is kiiiind of pushing on the person you're voting to lynch --> kinda unsubstantiated list of reads

Not a big squint. Tiny squint.

 

[Cyndia]

Did a quick read through finally -

Sketch leans:
- Allie: The pippy/allie/genny interactions do make me eye allie, and I'd be okay with her getting lynched today. I just don't buy her defenses on why she was pushing about it. Would like to know teep & Wz's thoughts on her reveal (I thought I saw WZ comment about it, but looking back I can't seem to find it).
- Pippy: I'm also leaning her sketch but less so than Allie - Since when I first read through those interactions, I felt like I understood how Pippy missed what genny was hinting at. However I feel like she then went on to protest a TON... I know she can sometimes do that, but it still sets off flags to me.

-Teep: I agree that I don't like their comment about expecting a reasonable defense from britzen. Also not paying attention to the late add to the game, I don't think that would stop kaydubs from adding a wolf depending on how many she started with.

- Sporty: there was one comment made partway through the britzen vote about how they were nervous about how quickly the britz train was picking up that rubbed me the wrong way.


Other comments:
- Mel - didn't have great logic on the ability thief definitely being a killer since there were two kills.
- If the ability thief flips wolf, then I'd move vmh/wz to clear
- Had literally nothing on FS, need to hear more from you!
- Had minimal comments on: AM, Jil, Snowy, LIS. Just noting this so I remember to go back and reread their stuff again.

 

[WildZoo]

Big long quote post mostly not about suspicions, with only one part that is kiiiind of pushing on the person you're voting to lynch --> kinda unsubstantiated list of reads

Not a big squint. Tiny squint.

Hmm. Yeah. Don't have a lot to say about my reads. Mostly feels. Quote post was more of the stream of consciousness stuff that popped in my head as I was reading. Deeper analysis requires a little bit more work/time commitment which I might get to later, but for now just wanted to make sure I caught up and got a vote in before deadline.

 

[Melchizedek]

Unlynch VMH
Lynch Teeps

Maybe I am crazy on this VMH thing, but in any case I'm okay with seeing Teeps lynched for previously stated reasons. Gonna go pass out for a while.

 

[vetmedhead]

- If the ability thief flips wolf, then I'd move vmh/wz to clear

I would caution you not to do this even if the ability thief does flip wolf. It's a relatively common wolf move to not use an ability like that for a night (or to steal another wolf's ability) and then have another wolf in the pack claim to have had their ability stolen to get some cred later in the game. There will almost certainly be mostly villagers on the list of people who claim to have had their ability stolen, but just being on that list isn't enough to be clear imo. Just my $0.02

 

[Cyndia]

I would caution you not to do this even if the ability thief does flip wolf. It's a relatively common wolf move to not use an ability like that for a night (or to steal another wolf's ability) and then have another wolf in the pack claim to have had their ability stolen to get some cred later in the game. There will almost certainly be mostly villagers on the list of people who claim to have had their ability stolen, but just being on that list isn't enough to be clear imo. Just my $0.02

I agree, I just feel like that's unlikely this early in the game. At this point if it's a wolf ability, it's probably being used to seer. Future names I would be more skeptical of.

 

[genny]

lynch sporty

 

[kaydubs]

Here. Starting from the beginning... tally to follow, <90 minutes to deadline

 

[LetItSnow]

Well LIS is now top of my village list!

Sweet. If that's all it takes, I am now going to be the best wolf ever in the history of SDN pre-vet WW.

 

[vetmedhead]

Sweet. If that's all it takes, I am now going to be the best wolf ever in the history of SDN pre-vet WW.

"I'll have you all know that I questioned myself thoroughly in PMs and role revealed to myself, so I think I'm strong village."

 

[JustPaws]

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Just read this gem, I feel like I know you guys so much better now....
Noobies and Boobies WW Game Signup Thread
Alright, carry on. See you next game
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[LetItSnow]

"I'll have you all know that I questioned myself thoroughly in PMs and role revealed to myself, so I think I'm strong village."

"And I'm pretty sure my play is just like my village meta."

 

[LetItSnow]

********
Just read this gem, I feel like I know you guys so much better now....
Noobies and Boobies WW Game Signup Thread
Alright, carry on. See you next game
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Ah yes. Return of the lemon party.

One of my all-time most amusing (to me, anyway) role claims as a wolf. Especially since people bought it for a few days.

ETA: Not in Noobies and Boobies. The role claim was back in a Meme game.

 

[kaydubs]

Damnit, SDN.

 

[JustPaws]

Ah yes. Return of the lemon party.

One of my all-time most amusing (to me, anyway) role claims as a wolf. Especially since people bought it for a few days.

ETA: Not in Noobies and Boobies. The role claim was back in a Meme game.

*****
D*mn it LIS I haven't read the game thread yet. just the sign up lol. SO far, you don't seem as much as a...curmudgeon ;-)

******

 

[SportPonies]

I need to catch up because my internet has been crap tonight, but I did want to state a thing unrelated to the current debates going on before I do that.

I'm not certain how familiar everyone is with Genesis games, but the britz lynch suggests that our wolves will be "big baddies" of the Genesis era games, since she was the major villain of Mortal Kombat, and we've seen two title heroes go down as village. My guess is that we'll see Eggman/Dr. Robotnik and Queen Slug-for-a-butt pop up as wolves as well. Still trying to determine who a likely fourth candidate would be if there are four wolves. May be useful information in the future if the pattern continues to hold true, particularly if someone is pushed to role reveal.

 

[kaydubs]

Officially Underwhelming Day 3 Lynch (but good discussion...I think)
Pippy (1) - Sporty
Jil ()
FS (1) - LIS
Teeps (2) - Pippy, Mel
VMH ()
Mel (1) - Jilary
allie (2) - AM, Snowy
snowy (2) - allie, WZ
Sporty (1) - genny

3 way tie @Teepster87 , @allieh8607 , @SnowshoeDog143 : You are currently in jeopardy.
10/15

Role call: @Cyndia @vetmedhead @Frozenshades @Teepster87

Deadline in <60min.

 

[WildZoo]

Eh. I don't know what wolf roles look like this game. She seems innocuous enough though.

Lol. I really am losing my mind. Forgot that we had lynched a wolf already

So to expand on that, possible wolves got cover roles but I'm comfy with the content of allie's claim right now.

 

[WildZoo]

I hate to discourage a three way though...

 

[kaydubs]

I hate to discourage a three way though...

Except if I'm in charge of tie breaking 😀

 

[WildZoo]

Except if I'm in charge of tie breaking 😀

You know I particularly like making ties in your games.
Ah but FS hasn't voted yet...he'll probably ruin it

 

[LetItSnow]

*****
D*mn it LIS I haven't read the game thread yet. just the sign up lol. SO far, you don't seem as much as a...curmudgeon ;-)

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I don't think you'll find the lemon party thing in that game. SOV just referenced it in N00bies/Boobies. In an earlier game - Meme - I was a wolf but role claimed the lemon party meme. Most people were all too ready to believe the mod hand-picked that role for me, so I got away with it for a few days.

I can't remember who modded Meme.

I personally found it hysterical.

 

[kaydubs]

You know I particularly like making ties in your games.
Ah but FS hasn't voted yet...he'll probably ruin it

We all like a little chaos.

 

[LetItSnow]

Except if I'm in charge of tie breaking 😀

I'm ok with that. Makes the game go quicker if we just lynch a bunch of people at once.

 

[SkiOtter]

I can't remember who modded Meme.

******
(Meme wwars was DocE)
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[SnowshoeDog143]

Okay very weak vouch by WZ for allie, and to save myself

unlynch allie
lynch Teep

 

[Teepster87]

Lynch Allie

I didn't realize that I hadn't done that yet

 

[Skimble]

I'm dealing with some unexpected stress from my son (anyone have 10k they want to give us so he can keep going to school?) I'm not down with a 3-way tie. Of the 3, I guess I'm most leaning towards Allie, though I'd really prefer a mel or cyndia lynch. I had forgotten about cyndia earlier, which I guess isn't really surprising. How much time do we have? 30min?

 

[Frozenshades]

Got busy this afternoon. Catching up.

Lynch sporty for now

 

[Skimble]

I'm not sure I'm feeling the teep lynch (whom I believe is now in the lead?). Someone want to give me the quick cliff notes on that?

 

[kaydubs]

I'm dealing with some unexpected stress from my son (anyone have 10k they want to give us so he can keep going to school?) I'm not down with a 3-way tie. Of the 3, I guess I'm most leaning towards Allie, though I'd really prefer a mel or cyndia lynch. I had forgotten about cyndia earlier, which I guess isn't really surprising. How much time do we have? 30min?

yes, 30 min. And I'm in a semi-good mood so I'd extend that till like 10pm.

I'm foreseeing a waffle fest and last minute votes......

 

[genny]

I'm not sure I'm feeling the teep lynch (whom I believe is now in the lead?). Someone want to give me the quick cliff notes on that?

How sketchy do you find Pippy? That lynch is her baby.

 

[kaydubs]

Officially Underwhelming Day 3 Lynch (but good discussion...I think)
Pippy (1) - Sporty
Jil ()
FS (1) - LIS
Teeps (3) - Pippy, Mel, Snowy
VMH ()
Mel (1) - Jilary
allie (2) - AM, Teeps
snowy (2) - allie, WZ
Sporty (2) - genny, FS

@Teepster87 : You are currently in jeopardy. With 3 whole votes.
12/15

Role call: @Cyndia @vetmedhead

Deadline in ~30min

 

[kaydubs]

Sorry, @WildZoo , your wish (and mine) has been doused.

 

[Skimble]

How sketchy do you find Pippy? That lynch is her baby.

I think that is why I'm not feeling it. I'm not sure if she's just having an off game, or if she is wolfy, but I guess I'm currently leaning towards it being an off game.

 

[WildZoo]

Lynch Allie

I didn't realize that I hadn't done that yet

Curious about this. Did you have reason to disbelieve her claim?

 

[Teepster87]

Unlynch Allie
Lynch snowy

For self preservation