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So you think Miranda and I are both wolves?
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StardeWW 2: Ginger Island - GAME THREAD
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So you think Miranda and I are both wolves?
There’s likely only one wolf remaining. Thinking between you and mirandas.
In the first case, I broke the tie in favour of a wolf when a villager who would have been an easy misyeet was on the board.
In the second case, I'm pretty sure I've done the same thing, though we won't know until there is a Miranda flip. I don't see how this argument applies any wolf points to me, even outside of the fact that I don't bus unless there's a mechanical out or there's no chance of that wolf being yeeted. I do not like to be on viable wolf wagons when I am also a wolf because it doesn't jive with my team-first playstyle
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If Miranda had been yoten yesterday and flipped village, wolves would have only needed one more misyeet to secure the win if my math is right. In that circumstance, there is no universe in which my wolf self doesn't stay on Miranda and try to make more arguments for why others should be there too. I wouldn't make arguments to actively talk myself and others off of that yeet in favour of Stagg
Yeet Barks
I still think yesterday was a w/v tally and that both wolves were on Miranda. And I know better than to try to push Lawp since I about had a mob coming for me yesterday
But if Barks flips village then we need to have a serious conversation.
I still think yesterday was a w/v tally and that both wolves were on Miranda. And I know better than to try to push Lawp since I about had a mob coming for me yesterday
But if Barks flips village then we need to have a serious conversation.
Staggs wagon isn’t pure when there had been clear calls to reassess
genny’s flip is a mild surprise. Regardless the PM party yesterday could have been a big turning point.
And Barky is unlikely to be a wolf given 2 things:
1. Vissy tried to discredit AM’s village read of barky
2. Staggs kept forcing a me/barky pack and had to awkwardly shift course
1. Vissy tried to discredit AM’s village read of barky
2. Staggs kept forcing a me/barky pack and had to awkwardly shift course
Stagg’s flip provides many new doorways that I intend to open. You’d asked me about SAR, Lawpy, and I’ll be digging through that avenue thoroughly.
Mm no I’m pretty sure that conversation should happen now
One general suggestion: in this stage we need to have open minds and be willing to listen to one another. Not that anyone hasn’t done that, but sometimes these kinds of situations encourage preconceptions and talking past each other.
Agreed, i’m an open book and made my thoughts clear and am willing to listen.
This happens to me more often than you might think. Who knows what motivates any given kill, but I don’t think I am always viewed as a “threat”. That’d be the cost of being nice and willing to hear people out. People have told me before that they leave me around sometimes because my voice has clout, and that they think they can convince me of their world so that I promote it. And sometimes they’re right. I’m thinking about that now as I continue to review the game.
I think perhaps the most important player to try to sort (i.e., discuss) today is miranda. She was the other option yesterday in a very close vote.
genny played a role in moving me toward Stagg, and I wonder if anyone else was similarly influenced. Likewise, given the oft-discussed meta about Stagg’s bussing, we are presented with a crossroads.
If yesterday’s Stagg/miranda interaction had occurred on Day 1, I think I would have cleared them of both being mafia. The bar must be raised later in the game, however, particularly in an environment where “interactions with mafia” as a concept has been a key cog in the hunting effort (especially from me). So that leads to what I think is a very important question:
Do we think Stagg and miranda made it look good for the sake of distance, anticipating future analysis? Answering that question demands some knowledge of both players’ personalities and styles, and so I call on each of you to tell me what you think of that.
In the absence of experience with either of them myself, I am inclined to be very careful about doling out town credit. Each of you has a unique perspective though, so I would greatly appreciate hearing it.
genny played a role in moving me toward Stagg, and I wonder if anyone else was similarly influenced. Likewise, given the oft-discussed meta about Stagg’s bussing, we are presented with a crossroads.
If yesterday’s Stagg/miranda interaction had occurred on Day 1, I think I would have cleared them of both being mafia. The bar must be raised later in the game, however, particularly in an environment where “interactions with mafia” as a concept has been a key cog in the hunting effort (especially from me). So that leads to what I think is a very important question:
Do we think Stagg and miranda made it look good for the sake of distance, anticipating future analysis? Answering that question demands some knowledge of both players’ personalities and styles, and so I call on each of you to tell me what you think of that.
In the absence of experience with either of them myself, I am inclined to be very careful about doling out town credit. Each of you has a unique perspective though, so I would greatly appreciate hearing it.
The only truly solid village read I have that I think is non-negotiable for me is PSV. Im open to looking anywhere else.
That said, after yesterday I do truly believe that Miranda is village. It's nothing other than tone and how she responded to things yesterday but I do feel quite strongly about it.
Was it you that posted the colour coded tallies yesterday? I think I want to look at them again given Stagg's flip
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I do not see Lawpy being an option. He likes being bussed, not bussing. He went after Stagg AGGRESSIVELY.
Tonewise, I agree Miranda sounds village, BUT otherwise we don't have a solid reason to clear her so it's kinda iffy.
Tonewise, I agree Miranda sounds village, BUT otherwise we don't have a solid reason to clear her so it's kinda iffy.
I guess one person I'm coming back to is barks 🫠 But I also don't really think she's a wolf
But I'm very confident SAR isn't a wolf.
But I'm very confident SAR isn't a wolf.
I think yeeting Miranda is probably the best next course but that feels bad so I... Agghhhhh
noooooooooo
feels bad cause it is bad
Where do you think we should go? Not me. Not SAR.
Why not SAR?
Disagree x2
If she made that tie between two wolves on D1 with 2 minutes left to go and put herself in danger as part of a pack that then could potentially lose 75% of it's members (at worst) or cast a huge amount of sus on her when she flip flopped last minute if no one else broke it (at best)
It's just not a wolf move given game state with two wolves high sus and Stagg nearly a counter wagon.
If she is a wolf, then frankly she deserves to win based on the sheer ballsiness of that move
I don't think it's her.
What’s the reason?
I think she's hinting something to me that a wolf wouldn't bother with.
A tool that I think is very useful for times like this is what people around The Syndicate call a "trustfall". It just entails listing every player and identifying the best reason(s) you can think of to call that player a villager. It seems evident to me that everyone in this game could be called a town read for some reason or another, and we need to assess the quality and significance of those reasons side-by-side.
I am getting pulled into manuscript writing and can't do much right now, but this is something I will be attempting soon. Y'all could give it a try too.
I am getting pulled into manuscript writing and can't do much right now, but this is something I will be attempting soon. Y'all could give it a try too.
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Lawp, what changed since this post?
(Any contingency votes??)
I'll play, though not digging super deep here, going for large reasons and I've tried to remove my own tunnel biases from the list but that's hard so still may be there.
PSV: D1 creation of tie behavior between vis and mighty seems suicidal if wolf
Miranda: genuine tone, I don't think compatible with Stagg based on on-thread behaviour, seemed too pure to be wolf theater
JJJ: VCA is good and A+ game solving effort that I think has been very useful in evaluating reads, especially helping to form a village blocc
Barks: Power usage seems to be done in a village utility way, tone has been excellent
Lawp: AM's god read. Going "aggressively" after Stagg (this last is not my reasoning but a village read reasoning from thread)
Counterpoints:
Barks: is a good enough wolf to fool me on tone.
Lawp: I'm currently going through iso and struggling to find anything I don't think could be w/w on Stagg, but not done reviewing yet. Looking specifically for the "aggressive" approach to Stagg people were noting and I disagree so far. Definitely some discussion and pushing, but again nothing I couldn't see Lawp and Stagg fabricating because they're both smart enough to do it.
PSV: Panicking wolves may have just thought what's the most chaotic thing to do D1 and hope someone broke the tie for PSV to then ride into the sunset
Miranda: Tone isn't really a great thing to clear someone on at this point, but I still feel it's pure
JJJ: I don't know their meta, could be the deepest of deep wolves and always busses
Purple Shorts Don’t Belong in the Soup... Day 6 Tally
SAR (1) - Lawpy
Barks (1) - SAR
2/6 voting
Missing: not SAR or Lawpy and any contingencies that may have been missed
Vote closes tomorrow, 3/27, at 10 PM CDT (~32 hours).
SAR (1) - Lawpy
Barks (1) - SAR
2/6 voting
Missing: not SAR or Lawpy and any contingencies that may have been missed
Vote closes tomorrow, 3/27, at 10 PM CDT (~32 hours).
I contingency voted SAR
Thank you, Lawpy
Right just like how Staggs was trying to discredit the village viewpoint that me and mighty weren’t paired.
@SARdoghandler Is my assumption that you're hinting something to me accurate?
Jays: the interactions between you and vissy are enough to unpair you from wolves
Barky: vissy’s attempt to discredit AM’s read on her + Staggs’s initial insistence in pairing barky with me before awkwardly changing course
PSV/pshelty: could see her approach coming from the village mindset but this is shaky
Mirandas: too much ATE and feels like she cracked under the Santy tunnel. But feels like a misdirect in same vein as alleys
SAR: really the WZ soul read is saving her at this point. If the reassessment is what helped take down Staggs, we need to look into SAR more deeply than just village feels
I'm trying my best here Lawp. I'm trying to engage and help village solve. I straight up said that I need to complete a full iso of you but that's 12 pages. I'm not asking for a village read, though it would be nice, but maybe just a little recognition that I'm actually trying here - even if you think I'm wrong. Villagers are wrong about each other all the time
I'm not entirely sure what you're referring to but I've accidentally hinted things on thread in previous games that others have picked up on, so
If you aren't sure then probably notI'm not entirely sure what you're referring to but I've accidentally hinted things on thread in previous games that others have picked up on, so
I mean, I can hint at abilities but I think we've already established that we aren't clearing anyone based on thoseIf you aren't sure then probably not
But if there's only one wolf left...I mean, I can hint at abilities but I think we've already established that we aren't clearing anyone based on those
If the majority thinks it has utility to put cards out on the table now, then I have no problem revealing. But there's nothing clearing about my ability and while my role is village based on flips, can't assume wolves weren't provided with cover roles
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Well since I'm here alone I thought everyone might like to know that I just discovered if I get a Google play pass, I can play the phone version of Stardew for free (aka 5 bucks a month)
/the alternate universe where SAR becomes the high poster
Alright I finished my iso of Lawp and his posts specifically relating to Stagg, (as well as some vis), and I do feel better when looking at the overall trend over time unless Lawp is a savage wolf and has changed meta over time
So now I'm back to hoping it's Barks because otherwise I need to just throw the whole game out and start over
