StardeWW 2: Ginger Island - GAME THREAD

[Lawpy]

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ok i guess i’ll

Unelect Jays
Elect WZ

 

[alleycat03]

I'm VT, so I don't have any spicy claims to save me. I'll share whatever else I know, though.

The sickle was not worth all my gold. I could use it to cut grass and I would get 5 seeds of a random type, so I did that and got potato seeds and some bonus golden walnuts which I don't know what to do with. (They had some relation to parrots on the wiki so I tried to bribe parrots). Because the sickle wasn't very good I decided to claim it on-thread. I'd seen that in the last game there was a wolf item-stealer, so if it got stolen that'd give us some info about a likely wolf role being in the game. And the sickle looks sharp and menacing so I also thought maybe the wolves would be afear'd and kill me over it instead of someone with a useful role.

Also both n1 and n2 I've felt strangely tired in the morning, which seems like a power that must be able to be used on the same person multiple nights in a row. I don't know what it means but it didn't seem to shed any light on the claimed roles so far.

VT = vanilla town?

 

[SARdoghandler]

If we're actually voting for mayor again then sure

Elect Dubz 😍

 

[SARdoghandler]

Also Dubz while we're at it, are you 3p? Don't worry, you can tell me, I won't tell anyone

 

[alleycat03]

Obviously WIFOM, but seems like targeting mayor N1 would also potentially be the highest risk since mayor is most likely to be acted on. Ie, two claimed protection/blocking like roles being used on her.

Samac pretty much single-handedly caught Mighty and asked for protection on thread so that's what I did

 

[alleycat03]

It is the general philosophy here too. Of course there are trends, but I wouldn't take "bodyguard" or "protector" alone as alignment indicative.

The more important thing for me is that is just doesn't make sense for either to be used n1 on samac instead of just killing her... but I could perhaps see a world where wolves thought that with the extra kills in their back pocket they could make up some ground and get a few days out of one of the claims at the same time, since they were positioned badly with the w/w wagons and a clear blocc forming that, in this case, would not include whichever of Barks or alley is wolfing.

Dubz when have I ever done fancy wolfing like that

 

[SARdoghandler]

Dubz when have I ever done fancy wolfing like that

 

[Stagg737]

Starting Barks iso:

Because most of the time it’s not too hard to tell when shes being super village

She’s steamrolled me as a wolf multiple times 🥲

You just need a healthy dose of paranoia!
Acting super villagey = village
Villagey but mildly sketch = wolf

Well I wouldn’t be opposed 😊

Early interaction with Vis about voting AM for mayor. Very friendly but meh interaction.

This was an interesting comment that I’m not sure where it came from 🤔

In response to Zenge's statement that Santy was crowdsourcing for a misyeet. Could be emphasizing a point to shade Zenge, could be NAI, worth noting imo.

How has he been at reading you in the past? Because if he typically doesn’t read you accurately then I could see why he would ask other people. Or asking for info from people who know how you typically interact with PSV. I just don’t think it’s necessarily non-village to ask that

Soft defense of Santy's reasoning to Zenge's response. Gonna cautiously go NAI for general interactions, mild village points for tone/potential wolf-hunting...

Alley always sus, idk how to read you, and idk if I’ve ever played with Miranda 🙃

Non-chalant response to Vis ridiculous claims that she and Alley are easy reads.

I wish I could read zenge and didn’t have to go through a lot of paranoid thoughts first

He feels village to me, which is probably a little premature, but I'm not really anxious about him right now

There were some minor eyebrow raises but overall nothing too alarming

Fairly consistent with previous statements, slightly bushy.

I’m mixed on vis rn. There were some things that I was really agreeing with (like the zenge post I brought up) and some things that were off

Vis mainly but it’s not super strong. A lot of the talk when I was reading through wasn’t related to this game so nothing stood out too much

Hedging on Vis in first post, second was after AM voted for Vis with more soft reads.

I saw you said why Lucy. Did you say why alley and stoat?

Hmmmmmm

How does that confirm that


Easier to come up with village reads in general imo

Did you say what the thing was?

How was that hedgey?

Why would a wolf!samac not do that?

Decent post, bolded was questioning why PSV though a Zenge statement was hedgey which pinged me for some reason.

What has you reading miranda as village?

I’d be interested in a vis or Miranda vote today tbh

Yeet Miranda

Somewhat concerning, because other than the comment about who is an easy read, this is her first time really mentioning Miranda. Posts occurred 1 minute apart.

Sporty Voice Tone…

But mostly I haven’t found any of her posts to be terribly Wolfy. I don’t see anything that’s causing me to raise my eyebrows and think it’s a decent hit.

Of everyone on the roster, why is Miranda your strongest wolf read?

Because I do see things that make me raise my eyebrows. I would’ve voted vis first but wanted to keep the wagons somewhat close for now

Can you highlight them specifically and talk about why they make you suspicious?

I feel like she’s been fairly active but haven’t seen much wolf hunting yet. Would you disagree?

After this there was a fair amount of banter back and forth about why Miranda was wolfy, Barks pointing Miranda sussing Vis d/t timing issues as shady. Santy and AM join in and there was a hoedown. Looking back seems like fairly weak reasoning to shade and vote Miranda when Barks hadn't previously mentioned Miranda meaningfully. Mild wolf feelz from this for me, but logic brain says this is probably NAI.

Don’t hate her [Vis] posts that came after that but same overall lean

More answer without really answering while responding to Lawpy asking about Vis.


STAY TUNED FOR PART DEUX OF THE BARKS ISO HOUR!

 

[NateTheLesser]

VT = vanilla town?

Yes. (I'm used to "town"/"wolf" so that's what I use most of the time)

 

[alleycat03]

While you're not wrong, dubz has been a mod in most (all?) of my wolf games so she should know first-hand how much panic and incoherent stress word vomit happens there. Honestly the plan that she proposed is too outside of the box for my wolfing ability

 

[Lawpy]

I could perhaps see a world where wolves thought that with the extra kills in their back pocket they could make up some ground and get a few days out of one of the claims at the same time, since they were positioned badly with the w/w wagons and a clear blocc forming that, in this case, would not include whichever of Barks or alley is wolfing.

That’s what i’m also thinking atm

 

[Lawpy]

With my 1x protection

Thinking

 

[SARdoghandler]

While you're not wrong, dubz has been a mod in most (all?) of my wolf games so she should know first-hand how much panic and incoherent stress word vomit happens there. Honestly the plan that she proposed is too outside of the box for my wolfing ability

That's why wolves are a pack tho. I never underestimate the craftiness of a whole group scheming

 

[Lawpy]

Is the only reason why alleys is being cleared is because of her action on samacs which samacs confirmed?

 

[Stagg737]

Is the only reason why alleys is being cleared is because of her action on samacs which samacs confirmed?

Seems like it.

 

[Lawpy]

Then there’s Alley, who I’ve had a lot of misgivings about this game. She’s got a “Most likely to be yeeted D1” award for a reason though. That reason is that she’s Wolfy AF, as a villager. She’s been Wolfy this game. So what am I to think?

Santy and Alley, both are in my POE currently. I need to review EOD and beyond more throughly to see how I really feel. Because I can make that devils advocate case, but am inclined to lean the wolf case at present. But need to review and will possibly land on a 3rd party.

Saving this

 

[Lawpy]

Village:
Dubz
Zenge
SAR
JJJ
alley
Lawpy

Lean cause santy:
Clem
lucy

Null
genny
Stagg
miranda
PSV

POE
Nate
Barks


I feel pretty good about alley but maybe something different happened N1.

Hmm

 

[Lawpy]

My current POE is Santy, Clem, Stagg, lucy, alley, and PSV.

Hmm

 

[Lawpy]

Alleys: wolfread by Zenges and AM, village read by samacs

Barky: wolfread by samacs, neutral read by Zenges, village read by AM

PSV/pshelty: wolfread by AM, neutral read by samacs, village read by Zenges

 

[Lawpy]

No,

Nate / Barks / Psv. I think those three name has minimum a Wolf, if not both. And even if there is only one there, clearing that and still got the hard wolf should be rather doable with the initial advantage we have

Saving this

 

[Lawpy]

The situation that i’m facing is that i think there’s a wolf among alleys, barky, and PSV/pshelty. But conflicting legacy reads are complicating things.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

@WildZoo Since there's confirmation from alley she targeted you N2 and samac confirmed the flavor is similar to what she got N1, is the flavor at all wolfy?
I don't know how else to ask this question

 

[potentialsheltervet]

@Barkley13 Did you act on me last night?

 

[Lawpy]

Thinking i feel the worst about barky compared to alleys and PSV/pshelty

 

[NateTheLesser]

I don't really get the Barks wagon at this point given her claim.

samac confirmed the protection, right? So we know it's not completely made up. And I think a w!Barks protects a teammate (probably Vis) on n1, especially after losing mighty.

 

[NateTheLesser]

Thinking i feel the worst about barky compared to alleys and PSV/pshelty

Really? Help me untangle that.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

I don't really get the Barks wagon at this point given her claim.

samac confirmed the protection, right? So we know it's not completely made up. And I think a w!Barks protects a teammate (probably Vis) on n1, especially after losing mighty.

1) Wolves have no reason to believe there's a vig
2) Protecting ability is NAI

 

[Lawpy]

And I think a w!Barks protects a teammate (probably Vis) on n1, especially after losing mighty.

I probably wouldn’t assume that tbh

 

[potentialsheltervet]

I don't really get the Barks wagon at this point given her claim.

samac confirmed the protection, right? So we know it's not completely made up. And I think a w!Barks protects a teammate (probably Vis) on n1, especially after losing mighty.

And samac also confirmed alley bodyguarded her so why would you believe Barks over alley

 

[Lawpy]

Really? Help me untangle that.

Even piecing together the ability claims and actions, i’m getting the feeling barky might have used that on samacs to try to get a benefit of doubt later on, because it’s conventionally assumed that protecting abilities, especially when used on consensus viewed villagers, are village… which is a great way for a wolf protector to slip in, as opposed to trying to save their packmates (and definitely not vissy because wolves imo were probably aware vissy’s going to be on the chopping block right after)

 

[alleycat03]

Alleys: wolfread by Zenges and AM, village read by samacs

Barky: wolfread by samacs, neutral read by Zenges, village read by AM

PSV/pshelty: wolfread by AM, neutral read by samacs, village read by Zenges

Eh Zenge never voted for me and I really wouldn't consider him wolf-reading me. AM was voting me before she died but she also died before my role reveal

 

[alleycat03]

The situation that i’m facing is that i think there’s a wolf among alleys, barky, and PSV/pshelty. But conflicting legacy reads are complicating things.

Also just because they've flipped confirmed villagers doesn't mean their reads are 100% accurate. Obviously they're strong players but I *know* I'm not a wolf. I remember us scrutinizing a Dubz legacy reads list in bowwling (I think?) and not having great success. Let's not do that again

 

[Barkley13]

@Barkley13 Did you act on me last night?

Yes

 

[NateTheLesser]

1) Wolves have no reason to believe there's a vig
2) Protecting ability is NAI

If I'm a wolf protector I'm going to assume there's something to protect against.

 

[alleycat03]

If I'm a wolf protector I'm going to assume there's something to protect against.

Trying to remember what we had to protect "against" when Barks was a wolf protector in ST2

 

[Lawpy]

Eh Zenge never voted for me and I really wouldn't consider him wolf-reading me. AM was voting me before she died but she also died before my role reveal

Zenges expressed misgivings though. And i can’t assume your reveal would have an impact on AM’s thoughts for that reason unfortunately

Also just because they've flipped confirmed villagers doesn't mean their reads are 100% accurate. Obviously they're strong players but I *know* I'm not a wolf. I remember us scrutinizing a Dubz legacy reads list in bowwling (I think?) and not having great success. Let's not do that again

Which is why i’m piecing together legacy reads from 4 villagers to see if i can try to get some insights. Yes they can be all wrong and blindsided by a tricksy wolf but it’s still information worth pondering. Just not to be used as the only info for justifying votes

 

[NateTheLesser]

And samac also confirmed alley bodyguarded her so why would you believe Barks over alley

I believe they both used their power on samac, but if one was a wolf that did it for cred I think the bodyguard is more likely.

 

[Lawpy]

I believe they both used their power on samac, but if one was a wolf that did it for cred I think the bodyguard is more likely.

Interesting

 

[miranda920]

More answer without really answering while responding to Lawpy asking about Vis.

I’ve felt this way about her, seems to respond to questioning without really answering

 

[miranda920]

Also if mayor election is real

Elect dubz

 

[Stagg737]

I probably wouldn’t assume that tbh

I can't imagine why a wolf protector wouldn't protect a fellow wolf who almost the entire town was suspecting, especially if it was a 1x ability. That seems like literally the best way to use that ability...

 

[alleycat03]

Night 3

Dustin trembled in the oppressive darkness of the Upside Down, trying not to panic, and failing. He stood on what should have been a familiar street, but it was warped and strange. The black sky was intermittently broken by flashes of dangerous energy. The air smelled metallic and damp. Every hair on his body stood on end and his breath came in painful gasps that he struggled to keep quiet. And worst of all, he was alone.

Or, he thought he was alone.

He stood exposed in the middle of the street, not realizing he was being observed from around the corner of a house. The figure approached behind him, and at the last moment he heard the soft footfalls and turned around.

"Will?"
"Hello Dustin."
Dustin hugged his friend, so relieved to find that he was not alone after all. But Will didn't embrace him back. And he was...cold. So cold. These thoughts had barely entered Dustin's conscious mind before Will finally put his arms around him. Dustin relaxed slightly, but then Will squeezed harder. And harder.
"Will, stop, you're hurting me," Dustin choked, struggling to catch his breath. "Will!"
"Goodbye Dustin," Will said. "It's over now."

Spoiler

Dead is @Animal Midwife, who was Dustin Henderson, a vanilla villager.

~~~

Back in Hawkins, Jonathan looked from El to Mike, slowly, back and forth. Yes, he knew exactly what was going to happen here. There was no other choice. They would turn on him. The ground shifted beneath their feet, a great energy surge from the Upside Down. It distracted them for a moment, but not long enough. Jonathan turned to run, and El raised her hand and screamed.

As he fell, consciousness slipping away from him, Jonathan saw the fissure that had opened the day before open again. A great shadow began to emerge from it, with it a much smaller, more familiar figure in tow.

"Will?" Jonathan said, before his final breath escaped him.

El stared at Jonathan's body, horrified to see that he had not been flayed after all. What had they done?

The Mind Flayer emerged fully into Hawkins, and try as she might, El could not hold it back. Will floated beside it, totally under its control. And with it came legions of demodogs and demogorgons, ready to wreak havoc on the world. Mike grabbed El as she screamed, holding her in a final embrace.

Spoiler: GAME OVER

As there was no way to avoid a misyeet today in the Hawkins group, the inevitable conclusion of the next two cycles would be a wolf win. We won't torture you by making you play that out 😉

WOLVES WIN. CONGRATS @alleycat03 AND @Barkley13 !!

The Upside Down --> Hawkins
@alleycat03 - Flayed Will Byers - wolf tracker
@Barkley13 - Mind Flayer posing as Steve Harrington - wolf protector


Dead
@potentialsheltervet - Max Mayfield - vanillager
@Zenge142 - Nancy Wheeler - vanilla seer
@alissa14 - Lucas Sinclair - vanillager
@Animal Midwife - Dustin Henderson - vanillager
@Truenamer - Jonathan Byers - village 1x night cancel
@genny - Elven - village delayed mason/lover
@Viscernable - Mike Wheeler - village delayed mason/lover

Subs
1. @justafluff
2. @holdthemayo
3. @IvyMoose

Tots
uts. @Lawpy
2. @bluestoat
3. @SportPonies
4. @Crayola227
5. @jaboo
utc. @supershorty

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So Barks was a wolf protector and didn't have anything to protect against in ST2

 

[Lawpy]

I can't imagine why a wolf protector wouldn't protect a fellow wolf who almost the entire town was suspecting, especially if it was a 1x ability. That seems like literally the best way to use that ability...

Because that wolf is likely doomed either way so best to use it on a consensus viewed villager to get some cred. I think vissy was a sinking ship after D1

 

[Lawpy]

So Barks was a wolf protector and didn't have anything to protect against in ST2

Barky says she’s not a protector. She had a 1x protect ability though

 

[alleycat03]

I believe they both used their power on samac, but if one was a wolf that did it for cred I think the bodyguard is more likely.

Except if I bodyguard correctly, I die. So that's very very negative utility for wolves, especially since there was a vig in the game. Imagine I protected Vis on N1 and then AM shot her. I would've died. So I really really do not think that a wolf bodyguard makes more sense than a wolf protector

 

[NateTheLesser]

I can't imagine why a wolf protector wouldn't protect a fellow wolf who almost the entire town was suspecting, especially if it was a 1x ability. That seems like literally the best way to use that ability...

Yeah, even if you're expecting them to be the consensus yeet the next day, it's still better to not lose them n1.

 

[alleycat03]

Barky says she’s not a protector. She had a 1x protect ability though

Yes but just proving a point to Nate when he pointed out that wolf protector--> assuming you have something to protect against. Except we didn't have anything to protect against in ST2

 

[Lawpy]

Yes but just proving a point to Nate when he pointed out that wolf protector--> assuming you have something to protect against. Except we didn't have anything to protect against in ST2

Oh wait i see. you quoted from ST2.. i thought it was this game, nvm

 

[Lawpy]

Wait… did we even have a wolf bodyguard before?

 

[Lawpy]

Bodyguard

wiki.mafiascum.net

Bodyguard is usually Town. It makes little sense for there to be a Mafia Bodyguard, as they have no reason to target anyone except a scumpartner; and a Vigilante who finds that their kill resolved on a different scum than they expected can simply shoot their previous target again.

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