Stranger Things Part 2 - WW Game Thread

[Animal Midwife]

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Was that the you me Dana game? Think that was my first woofing

That sounds right. I was hoping there was more player overlap to analyze though.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Unyeet alissa

for now

 

[Animal Midwife]

I would like to hear more from @Barkley13 when she gets here.

 

[alleycat03]

genny was in Alien-chat, I discussed the kill with her. It was about the active on-thread pressure, not some kind of soul read.

But it was shorty’s pressure because of her strong read on you, right? Soul read—> her pushing you —> her death?

 

[alleycat03]

He does not have a history of reading me like shorty or PSV or Stoat, and he was putting no pressure on me yesterday.

That’s why I asked Alissa what zenge’s death had to do with you, because I didn’t really remember him pushing you strongly

 

[alleycat03]

Wanted to see vote movement, plus my previously mentioned concerns

I didn’t remember you having previously mentioned concerns, which is why the vote seemed out of the blue. I’ll go back and find those posts

 

[alleycat03]

Wanted to see vote movement, plus my previously mentioned concerns

Also did you glean anything useful from the vote movement?

 

[alleycat03]

Was that the you me Dana game? Think that was my first woofing

What game was that? Globe?

 

[Viscernable]

Yeah and he was scum when he did that last game. I also find the progression of True’s read of PSV from yesterday concerning

I disagree with you on that one. He basically had her in villagey neutrals the whole early game and at various times either emphasized the “village” or “neutral” part of that, but from the context of how he was using them it doesn’t look at all contradictory to me. It doesn’t surprise me AM did, because she’s more exacting about language and can get really squinty over language inconsistencies. But it does kinda surprise me that you find it so weird he described someone at place 3/8 in his reads as “sounding normal”, “neutral”, “default village until proven otherwise” and I’m wondering if it’s you sheeping AM/trying to persuade her onto a True yeet.

Your later point about his very-late-day switch to hard defending her and being concerned it was because she was hard village-reading him is interesting, and I can see a lot more logic and thought behind it. I need to look at timing of their reads of eacb other to say if I might agree.

 

[Viscernable]

Also did you glean anything useful from the vote movement?

I thought people might be protecting PSV so switched to her

 

[alleycat03]

And what’s your analysis of that?

Well I thought it was a last-minute push from a PSV packmate, but that cannot be true since she flipped village.

Now I’m not really sure what caused that last minute wagon. It seemed really odd. Maybe the wolves thought PSV would be easier to push the next day and set up another misyeet after me? But I don’t get why I was the target of that.

PSV’s vote (which happened earlier) was because she didn’t like my questioning of her/ also served as self-prez, your vote was not backed up by much explanation in the moment, Alissa’s was a “gut feeling,” and True’s was based on trying to save PSV/a lie about my vote on PSV being “opportunistic.”

 

[Viscernable]

I didn’t remember you having previously mentioned concerns, which is why the vote seemed out of the blue. I’ll go back and find those posts

I thought we were literally arguing about them. Did I hallucinate a conversation

 

[alissa14]

Spoiler: True/PSV interactions

You're definitely getting a card after this game, you literally haven't been wrong about me since MarWWel.

Curious why PSV is so low, she seems pretty PSVish to me.

Though I'm waiting for an outlandish tinfoil or two before I'm willing to move her from neutrals

Very slapdash list while I wait for my reactor to get to temperature. Just my general vibes right now, no one is howling for me yet. genny is the only person I feel like I have a fairly clear read on (not just because she's more active, I know she's sick, but because of the way she's interacting.)

genny

Barks
PSV
Zenge
AM
Alley
Alissa
Vissy

Noting that Barks is weirdly high here considering the amount she had posted. Also noting that one of his first lists in CYOIII had his alien partner outside of POE but near bottom of neutrals

Vissy's posts when joining the thread felt a little weird to me. Not enough to vote for her yet, but she's the only person who's made me frown so far. I get that it might just be "got here late and catching up" energy, but it's something.

PSV seems pretty normal to me so far. Her wave function hasn't collapsed yet, and until it does I'm going to be treating her like village PSV. There's a few things she does near the end of D1 and after N1 that will help clarify things for me.

Throwing some vissy shade here. Maybe I need to look back to when I wolfed with vissy in casino… maybe a vissy/true pack…

1. I can't call out anything besides the "and overexplained" comment as being especially uncomfy. It was just her overall thread entrance that felt a little off.

2. I'm saying PSV exists as both wolf and nonwolf until I see some stuff that I can't say because that would change her behavior. And she is neutral, just high neutral; the only person who's gotten enough 'points' to move out of the blob is genny.

And you, actually, this aggressive questioning is quintessentially Village!AM. I'm moving you up with genny.

I have a decent feel for PSV after a few game-days, but I don't have the ability to snap-read her like she does for me. So right now she exists in two positions at once- village and wolfy. After interacting with her on thread for a while, my hope is that, like in previous games, it'll become clear to me which state she's in.

The actual thing I'm referencing is the quantum state of particle, which collapses upon observation into a single state. My apologies, I'm a physics creature.

This sounds like Schrodinger's Wolf to me.

Also while we're discussing it, my definition of a tone read is "the way they're talking makes me feel vaguely good or bad but I can't underline exactly why."

It's like, the second-weakest form of read, stronger than a vibes read.

I'm not explaining myself well, but it's more that for you, specifically, I'll often hit a point where your alignment becomes clear and everything you've said makes sense in the context of that alignment.

But my sample size is tiny, this game will help me refine things.

I don't have any strong reads and I don't want to be lazy and sheep someone 😭

Rood

Yeet Alley

The push on PSV feels opportunistic and I'm really not sure where else to put it.


I think it's funny that Zenge liked this when he vote and analysis withholds all the time on D1

I mean, maybe True saying why he’s holding his vote first is more valuable

It's not the most exciting tinfoil. Sorry.
I was thinking True was holding his vote to assess whether he wanted to yeet me or attempt to save me. (Egocentric? Maybe a bit.)

Maybe egocentric, but not totally wrong. What do you think was making me so anxious?

I knew it, I knew you were village. I'm sorry I couldnt convince them.

Put in a spoiler because its a lot and I quoted some already. But the shift in PSV read from True I find very concerning.

 

[alleycat03]

Sadly I dont think PSV mentioned her theory

She did. It was the “egotistical comment” about him choosing to save or kill her. I can find it in a second

 

[alissa14]

Unyeet alissa

for now

I like the ominous threat here AM

 

[alleycat03]

I thought we were literally arguing about them. Did I hallucinate a conversation

😅 I don’t know, but I didn’t remember you mentioning me until the vote. It seemed sudden to me, especially the timing.

 

[alissa14]

She did. It was the “egotistical comment” about him choosing to save or kill her. I can find it in a second

I found it upon ISOing PSV/True again

 

[Viscernable]

Okay I’m not hallucinating this time

It feels odd that you’re wolf-reading people who have questioned you the most, but you’re strongly village reading genny who’s actually voting for you (as of the last tally I saw).

Why does that feel odd?

Wolf reading the people who think you’re sus solely because they’re suspicious of you isn’t the best method though. You should wolf read people who are actually sus, not just people who are wolf reading you.

Because it seems reactionary, and I explained my thoughts a bit further to true above this.

PSV also didn’t explain why she was strongly village-reading genny until like 15 mins ago.

Frowning at this post

But why is it weird that genny is at top? Is that not just evidence that she’s not automatically OMGUS reading, but is evaluating how different pushes on her feel?

Why? Reactionary cross-voting is bad. You don’t vote for people solely because they’re voting for you.

I got confused and thought genny was voting for PSV and not Alissa. PSV explained her read on genny and I understand her better now

Nah I was going on the assumption genny was voting psv due to multiple people stating it. My issue with your reasoning is based on that.

It’s straw-manning

I understand what a straw man argument is, but I don’t follow what discussion/argument you’re claiming is a straw man.

PSV never said she’s reading people based entirely on them sussing her nor that it would be good to do so. She recognized that the people low in her reads were sussing her and that us sussing her might be colouring her reads.

 

[alleycat03]

It's not the most exciting tinfoil. Sorry.
I was thinking True was holding his vote to assess whether he wanted to yeet me or attempt to save me. (Egocentric? Maybe a bit.)

@alissa14

 

[Truenamer]

Yeah and he was scum when he did that last game. I also find the progression of True’s read of PSV from yesterday concerning

I went from unsure about her and saying that I needed to see more, to understanding that she's feeling down right now and it clicking, at which point I stopped wondering if she was wolfing and I cast my vote for someone else.

Then her reaction to being piled on and misyeeted was *extremely* village PSV, so I had no doubt before the flip.

Then I read the fake flip, and was really confused and upset that I had been so wrong, but happy that we got a wolf and was trying to think about what that meant for some mechanical stuff... and then Dubz clarified that the flip was fake in my role PM.

And that's the entire evolution. It's all on thread for anyone outside of a tunnel to see.

 

[Truenamer]

But it was shorty’s pressure because of her strong read on you, right? Soul read—> her pushing you —> her death?

She doesn't have a soul read, she just didn't like some of my comments that game. I was barely even scum, Aliens had no mechanical way to win that game.

 

[alleycat03]

Okay I’m not hallucinating this time

Ohhhh I thought the discussion was about PSV, not me. I didn’t interpret that as you having bad feels about me

 

[Truenamer]

Spoiler: True/PSV interactions

Noting that Barks is weirdly high here considering the amount she had posted. Also noting that one of his first lists in CYOIII had his alien partner outside of POE but near bottom of neutrals

Throwing some vissy shade here. Maybe I need to look back to when I wolfed with vissy in casino… maybe a vissy/true pack…

Put in a spoiler because its a lot and I quoted some already. But the shift in PSV read from True I find very concerning.

If people shifting their reads over the course of a game day concerns you, I have a lot of concerning things for you to look at.

 

[alleycat03]

She doesn't have a soul read, she just didn't like some of my comments that game. I was barely even scum, Aliens had no mechanical way to win that game.

No, now you’re definitely twisting the narrative. Anything that’s not village is scum. You were a scum player. You killed shorty. You didn’t flip green. You were not “barely scum.”

I also disagree about how strongly shorty was reading you. That’s literally besides the point since shorty’s not playing this game, and I asked several times how PSV’s read of you was so much better than shorty’s, and you still haven’t elaborated on that.

 

[alleycat03]

Yeet true

 

[Animal Midwife]

She doesn't have a soul read, she just didn't like some of my comments that game. I was barely even scum, Aliens had no mechanical way to win that game.

Starting to get unrelated but aliens would have gotten OP again in endgame. They were destined to always survive a tie.

 

[Truenamer]

No, now you’re definitely twisting the narrative. Anything that’s not village is scum. You were a scum player. You killed shorty. You didn’t flip green. You were not “barely scum.”

I also disagree about how strongly shorty was reading you. That’s literally besides the point since shorty’s not playing this game, and I asked several times how PSV’s read of you was so much better than shorty’s, and you still haven’t elaborated on that.

I'm surprised to hear that shorty isn't playing this game, you've been talking about her for the past two hours

 

[Truenamer]

Starting to get unrelated but aliens would have gotten OP again in endgame. They were destined to always survive a tie.

Wait what? Seriously? Is that a faction ability we were supposed to know about?

 

[Barkley13]

AM picking fights and blithely misinterpreting what people are trying to say only deepens my village read of her.

Oops I had this quoted. I will say that those are characteristics I associated with a wolfy AM and I also don’t agree it’s happening this game

I know I was part of the problem by voting late, but the rapid consolidation on PSV right before close could be viewed as protecting Alley.

And with that said, we need to be careful. I think we might only get one more misyeet?

I need to relook at timing but close to yeet close it was PSV in the lead and other people at 1 vote each so I’m not too sure about this idea. Also how many wolves do you think there are in this game? Because there was a fair bit of movement toward the end last night

Also im pretty sure I’ve done this as a wolf…. Found some reason to hop on a teammate if them going down was inevitable. My reaction is a direct reaction to PSV fake flipping as wolf. So I thought hmmm vis last minute flip may be a wolf trying to score some last minute points. It was hard because I had been village reading vis. I still am, despite this theory that I somehow rojo’d on thread.

I don’t understand. You’re calling vis village but was also kinda throwing shade?

 

[alleycat03]

I'm surprised to hear that shorty isn't playing this game, you've been talking about her for the past two hours

I’ve said several times now that shorty’s not playing. I’ve been way more focused on how PSV reads you since she was actually in this game

 

[Animal Midwife]

Wait what? Seriously? Is that a faction ability we were supposed to know about?

No, it's automatic. It's also not something that could really be activated outside of surviving not being yeeted/nightkilled long enough. Endgame is pretty much hidden except in explicit low number scenarios. An F3 with Zenge, a villager, and genny alive could have been dicey though.

 

[genny]

Spoiler: True/PSV interactions

Noting that Barks is weirdly high here considering the amount she had posted. Also noting that one of his first lists in CYOIII had his alien partner outside of POE but near bottom of neutrals

Throwing some vissy shade here. Maybe I need to look back to when I wolfed with vissy in casino… maybe a vissy/true pack…

Put in a spoiler because its a lot and I quoted some already. But the shift in PSV read from True I find very concerning.

like psv's shift in reading alley was concerning?

 

[genny]

i don't know how anyone can look at true's posts about psv after the fake flip and call that wolf theater. it just never read that way to me.

 

[Truenamer]

i don't know how anyone can look at true's posts about psv after the fake flip and call that wolf theater. it just never read that way to me.

I appreciate this. Being tunneled on by two people for two hours had put me in a pretty bad mood.

Going to take a break, then come back and start ISOing people.

 

[genny]

I appreciate this. Being tunneled on by two people for two hours had put me in a pretty bad mood.

Going to take a break, then come back and start ISOing people.

consider that it may be a wolf double-team

 

[alissa14]

My ISO to maybe see if I could make sense of a True/Vis pack came up empty. I looked for Vis/Zenge interactions and didnt find anything that overly pinged me. But the way that vis pushed me about my faulty bussing comment versus lack of further push of True after remarking his claim that he knew PSV was village was weird is interesting

Spoiler: Vis/Zenge/True/PSV ISO

Whoa whoa whoa why is Z in the bloc to begin with

Yeet Barks

I didn’t like the original True vote and the switch to PSV felt off. I haven’t liked some of PSV’s posts this game but I want to give it one more day.

I think Vis's paranoia feels organic.

This is affirmation to vis.

I’m mostly thinking of Barks, alissa, and Z (Z, less so than a few hours ago. Not ready to move him into village leans though)

I'm 99% sure that I'm Barks' placeholder D1 vote due to a certain V-on-V violence in stardeWW.

True….

If that’s the case, then Barks needs to say that herself.

Because now that you’ve said it, even if it is the case I can’t trust her when she says it without wondering if she just said that because you said it.

This is interesting. Remember barks was very high on his reads list… wondering about a Barks/True pack…

Okay, but I don't really think it's that out-there for me to say. She's started every single game since StardeWW with a Truenamer vote, occasionally before I've even posted.

Okay, but you don’t know Bark’s affiliation this game. You only know yours if you’re village.

So by letting Barks speak for herself and say that herself, it gives the rest of us something to analyze.

Maybe she would have said that same thing you did, but maybe she wouldn’t have. I’ll never know now.

Interesting zenge commentary

I’m struggling whether to go with initial bad feelings about PSV or late bad feelings about alley. I’m tempted to chalk it all up to v/v violence… but in that case I don’t have any leads elsewhere so idk.

So like, my motto last year after I was caught from the same sort of sketchy intro as PSV’s intro but then made it into the village bloc later was “always trust initial pings”. But I think more recently my later-game reads have been more accurate than my initial pings…

@Animal Midwife control your children

This was for Vis creating the alley/PSV tie

I feel weird about this apparent prescience of the writeup.

In my ISO, I found no follow-up to this

Mmmm sure was. Almost like… she didn’t read the writeup… and knew the real aff…

And there were multiple where she was trying to make my dumb bussing comment a thing.

On True, I really don’t see what you’re seeing except for the over-stating how village he is

This doesn’t fare well after your comment that

I disagree with you on that one. He basically had her in villagey neutrals the whole early game and at various times either emphasized the “village” or “neutral” part of that, but from the context of how he was using them it doesn’t look at all contradictory to me. It doesn’t surprise me AM did, because she’s more exacting about language and can get really squinty over language inconsistencies. But it does kinda surprise me that you find it so weird he described someone at place 3/8 in his reads as “sounding normal”, “neutral”, “default village until proven otherwise” and I’m wondering if it’s you sheeping AM/trying to persuade her onto a True yeet.

Your later point about his very-late-day switch to hard defending her and being concerned it was because she was hard village-reading him is interesting, and I can see a lot more logic and thought behind it. I need to look at timing of their reads of eacb other to say if I might agree.

I quoted all of them so it should be easy. Would love more thoughts from you once you look. Here are some more I found leading up to True offering a reading card to PSV

Well, that's about as wolfy as you could have possibly reacted.

This was in response to PSV voting AM out of the gate

This is easy to resolve, just have someone else in wolfchat vouch that you were already going to vote for her.

For legal purposes this is a joke.

Shading PSV as wolfy here. I understand it was a joke. But in context of everything else I’ve ISO’d from true and PSV, interesting nonetheless

I guess my role PM could be considered wolf chat in that there's an unyeetable phasing wolf in it.

PSV saying shes village basically

True is already a village lean.

You're definitely getting a card after this game, you literally haven't been wrong about me since MarWWel.

 

[alissa14]

i don't know how anyone can look at true's posts about psv after the fake flip and call that wolf theater. it just never read that way to me.

I have been focusing mainly on true’s posts before any write up was posted

 

[alissa14]

consider that it may be a wolf double-team

Oh are you thinking an alley/alissa pack? That’s rich

But could be fun some time!

 

[genny]

Oh are you thinking an alley/alissa pack? That’s rich

But could be fun some time!

well it's not me, or true, or vis, and probably not AM, so who does that leave?

 

[alissa14]

I appreciate this. Being tunneled on by two people for two hours had put me in a pretty bad mood.

Going to take a break, then come back and start ISOing people.

To be fair it has only been me tunneling you.

I know the tunnels suck and WW aside, I’m sorry you’re feeling this way

I really was trying to come up with justification for my tunnel which at the start, was I admit somewhat exaggerated, but the more I found and the more I thought about it, I became more concerned. I have ended tunnels of players if I thought something changed

 

[alissa14]

well it's not me, or true, or vis, and probably not AM, so who does that leave?

barks

 

[Barkley13]

I’m getting v/v vibes from the vote progression, I think. I need to look at the early vote movement as well, though - did Barks maybe go to PSV in response to alley getting votes?

I thought i voted when there weren’t very many votes on the board and before all that movement. It was like ~2 hours before close

Maybe laying out my thought process will help.

Me last night on 2 hours of sleep, fake PSV goes up: huh I wasn’t really expecting that so a bit of a pleasant surprise. Lets see who is on the PSV vote to see who has jumped on past minute. Maybe a wolf did to see if they can get last minute bus points.

Me not thinking how vis effectively broke the tie towards PSV: oh maybe this is the slight bus I was looking for. I should comment on it.

Me, today, sleep-nourished with ~10 hours: yeah the light bussing theory makes sense I guess, weird because I thought vis was village lean yesterday.

Me, now: wait that makes no sense for a wolf to do. Better to leave it as a tie and then hope for the best

I don’t think vis breaking the tie clears her as village since PSV flipped village though and we don’t know alleys affiliation

Maybe its a pet peeve of mine but it pings me when people repeatedly refer to themselves as village. He did it a lot last game where he kept repeating that he randed village lover twice because it bought him a few village points from some. And I am seeing it again here.

What was true’s affiliation in that game?

 

[alissa14]

My current reads are:

genny
AM

alley - much better today but leaving high neutral as i sort out why I got gut feels yesterday and ended up voting there
vis - see the ISO, the lack of continued push for True about his “PSV is misyeet” really bothers me
barks - the longer the quiet continues, the more uneasy I become

True

 

[alissa14]

What was true’s affiliation in that game?

alien

 

[alissa14]

How many games has True played? I played with him in anniversary (idk where the Ws go), CYOIII, and this one.

 

[Animal Midwife]

How many games has True played? I played with him in anniversary (idk where the Ws go), CYOIII, and this one.

I want to say every game since Bowling (save for Supernatural) but I'll double check the list.

 

[Animal Midwife]

I want to say every game since Bowling (save for Supernatural) but I'll double check the list.

Yes, that is the case at eight games.

 

[Barkley13]

I’d like to see a lot more from her and get an explanation on the PSV vote (because as far as I remember, she didn’t clarify that).

I mean I mentioned PSV when I was there earlier in the day then said that again when asked so idk what else you are looking for

Also I didn’t put any words in shorty’s mouth. I’m very confused on how that’s the conclusion you came to here.

I don’t think you did but I can see how alissa may have

 

[Barkley13]

I would like to hear more from @Barkley13 when she gets here.

Hello

 

[Animal Midwife]

Hello

henlo barkley