Stranger Things Part 2 - WW Game Thread

[Truenamer]

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I wish I understood what was happening

Which part? Why it's day again instead of night? That's my fault.

 

[alleycat03]

Which part? Why it's day again instead of night? That's my fault.

No, whatever AM is doing
I understand you did the night cancel

 

[supershorty]

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"I'm a food connoisseur. I eat food every day, so I know what's good." -Animal Midwife, 2022.
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[kaydubs]

I wish I understood what was happening

You should have seen me trying to collect votes last night with 4 minutes and amidst hanging out with my family. I can’t believe I made it lol

 

[bluestoat]

“If anyone sins and does what is forbidden in any of the LORD’s commands, even though they do not know it, they are guilty and will be held responsible.”

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It's okay! There's always a way out.

Spoiler

“And he shall bring a ram without blemish out of the flock, with thy estimation, for a trespass offering, unto the priest: and the priest shall make an atonement for him concerning his ignorance wherein he erred and wist it not, and it shall be forgiven him.”

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[Truenamer]

Alright, good real morning.

There are six of us. We're assuming it's 4:2, if a wolf would be so kind as to confirm that I'd appreciate it 🥰

It sucks, but I don't think we have a clear Blocc yet. Game's too small, and we haven't had a successful yeet yet.

My current feelings, subject to adjustment, are:

genny

AM
Barks
Vis

Alley

 

[WildZoo]

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Voice chat is LIT tonight

Animal Fieri!wife can't stop 🅱️iggling
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Damn. I thought about joining but I was enjoying my dumb action movie.

 

[WildZoo]

This thread took an interesting turn

 

[supershorty]

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"I'm a food connoisseur. I eat food every day, so I know what's good." -Animal Midwife, 2022.
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I think my favorite thing about this is that it operates on the assumption that the rest of us don't also eat food every day

Also that it was followed up with

"Define food, Animal Midwife." -Zenge142
"Organic matter." -Animal Midwife
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[bluestoat]

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I think my favorite thing about this is that it operates on the assumption that the rest of us don't also eat food every day
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Wait you DON'T do a snake meal once a week???
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[Viscernable]

Leviticus 5:17

STOP

 

[Viscernable]

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It's related to frosted tips...for the record.
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I literally don’t even remember how it happened, I thought it was your reimagining of Leviticus to outlaw leftovers or something. Wtf was voicechat last night I joined half-asleep at 1:30

 

[Viscernable]

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"I'm a food connoisseur. I eat food every day, so I know what's good." -Animal Midwife, 2022.
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Somehow it’s even funnier having like half context for all of these from half-awake half-dream conversations

 

[Viscernable]

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It's okay! There's always a way out.

Spoiler

“And he shall bring a ram without blemish out of the flock, with thy estimation, for a trespass offering, unto the priest: and the priest shall make an atonement for him concerning his ignorance wherein he erred and wist it not, and it shall be forgiven him.”

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The KJV has some very wolfy italicization

 

[alleycat03]

Updated Reads

Genny- very few unsettling comments, has been pretty pro-village. I feel good about her being village. Like hat-eating territory.

AM- well within her village meta, haven’t seen her wolf tell yet. Wolfhunting, logical statements.

True- was almost certainly the night cancel person, pretty much mechanically cleared

Barks- wolfhunting efforts and following most of her logic, still think she belongs in the POE based on the weak PSV vote. Believing her protector claim (why would there be a wolf protector? Is possible but seems unlikely)

Vis- very confused on her most recent pushes and the whole mixup over the tally on D2 and our disagreement on D1. Currently the person I’m feeling the worst about.

 

[alleycat03]

Alright, good real morning.

There are six of us. We're assuming it's 4:2, if a wolf would be so kind as to confirm that I'd appreciate it 🥰

It sucks, but I don't think we have a clear Blocc yet. Game's too small, and we haven't had a successful yeet yet.

My current feelings, subject to adjustment, are:

genny

AM
Barks
Vis

Alley

Can I get some reasoning as to why you have us ordered this way?

 

[Truenamer]

Can I get some reasoning as to why you have us ordered this way?

Absolutely.

To get it out of the way, you're at the bottom because it feels like you were encouraging/egging Alissa on yesterday. I understand that you had RL stuff come up, but from our perspective it really did seem like you got two small wagons set up on villagers (myself and Alissa), and were able to step back and let things play out.

I haven't voted for you yet because I want to take the real life stuff into account when thinking about how last evening progressed.


I still feel like genny is acting right in line with Village!genny. Every time I've played with wolf or cult genny she's had significantly more "fade into the background" energy. Beyond that, her actual read and contributions have felt clearheaded and productive. I do acknowledge that at this point, no one is truly 'safe', so I am still actively reevaluating her.


Vis has been contributing to the thread consistently and her analysis posts have been among the longest and easiest to follow. I am going to be extremely disappointed (in myself) if she ends up being a wolf because I have been relying on her thoughts to help my own understanding of the threadstate.


Barks has been less present than I'd like, but activity is NAI (as I've been consistently reminded since my first game 😅). When she's here, she's felt calm and reasonable. She's avoided leaping onto wagons from what I can remember, though I want to find time today to do a shorty-style vote tracker.

Finally, AM. My tell for scum AM wasn't there on the first day— she's acted notably less forthcoming and more stressed when she's scum. Her interrogations also felt less aggressive in her scum games I've seen/been in. Now that we're getting closer to parity, though, I'm worried that I starting to see signs of that stress— but obviously, we're under more stress too, since we basically need to catch a wolf today.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Updated Reads

Genny- very few unsettling comments, has been pretty pro-village. I feel good about her being village. Like hat-eating territory.

AM- well within her village meta, haven’t seen her wolf tell yet. Wolfhunting, logical statements.

True- was almost certainly the night cancel person, pretty much mechanically cleared

Barks- wolfhunting efforts and following most of her logic, still think she belongs in the POE based on the weak PSV vote. Believing her protector claim (why would there be a wolf protector? Is possible but seems unlikely)

Vis- very confused on her most recent pushes and the whole mixup over the tally on D2 and our disagreement on D1. Currently the person I’m feeling the worst about.

As mentioned before, all abilities are NAI except for one. It's only usage that's important.

 

[Truenamer]

Updated Reads

Barks- wolfhunting efforts and following most of her logic, still think she belongs in the POE based on the weak PSV vote. Believing her protector claim (why would there be a wolf protector? Is possible but seems unlikely)

Wait a sec, your last sentence doesn't make sense. Obviously there probably wouldn't be a wolf protector, but if she was a wolf, she could just... lie about being a protector.

 

[Viscernable]

Well, first I'd have to be compatible with someone and, while I'm biased on this, I don't see how that's possible.

so going back to this, now that I’ve realized alley was never actually a wagon yesterday ( ), why are you incompatible with her?

 

[Truenamer]

@Animal Midwife, did you get any kind of notification on N1 indicating that you may have been protected? I apologize if you've already said so.

 

[Animal Midwife]

so going back to this, now that I’ve realized alley was never actually a wagon yesterday ( ), why are you incompatible with her?

I guess I'm not. I just thought her posts have been logical outside of the most recent readslist.

 

[Animal Midwife]

@Animal Midwife, did you get any kind of notification on N1 indicating that you may have been protected? I apologize if you've already said so.

Pretty sure this game isn't loud.

 

[Viscernable]

Pretty sure this game isn't loud.

Oh yeah I took your immediate unvoting as saying you’d got the notification but I forgot to verify that after close.

 

[Truenamer]

Pretty sure this game isn't loud.

I guess we haven't had much opportunity to test it either way.

No one got a Zenge-peering-through-windows notification on N1, right?

 

[Animal Midwife]

Oh yeah I took your immediate unvoting as saying you’d got the notification but I forgot to verify that after close.

My immediate unvoting was under the context that simply having a PR is borderline clearing, but that's only for basics games (which this obviously is not).

 

[Truenamer]

Might make a list of the most reasonable / compatible pack-pairs, just trying to decide if it would actually be useful or not.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Might make a list of the most reasonable / compatible pack-pairs, just trying to decide if it would actually be useful or not.

Nothing about that would be harmful. Running exercises like that is what convinced me to get off of alissa.

 

[Truenamer]

My immediate unvoting was under the context that simply having a PR is borderline clearing, but that's only for basics games (which this obviously is not).

I wasn't wolf reading Barks, but you felt strongly enough to be voting for her. Why, then, did you believe her so easily/quickly?

(This isn't an accusation, it's curiosity)

 

[Truenamer]

Nothing about that would be harmful. Running exercises like that is what convinced me to get off of alissa.

I'll note that your move off alissa is a healthy part of why you're my closest-to-village read of my neutrals.

 

[Animal Midwife]

I wasn't wolf reading Barks, but you felt strongly enough to be voting for her. Why, then, did you believe her so easily/quickly?

(This isn't an accusation, it's curiosity)

When there's five minutes left in a cycle, and a protector claims in a nine person game, they're usually self-resolving. The self-resolving has since been complicated by two factors though.

 

[Barkley13]

I feel like that would be a really risky lie though

 

[Animal Midwife]

I feel like that would be a really risky lie though

What makes it risky in your opinion?

 

[Barkley13]

What makes it risky in your opinion?

If there was an actual protector. Although I guess if I was a lying wolf and there was a protector then that’d be a way to get them to reveal? But I feel like it would just backfire in some way

 

[Animal Midwife]

If there was an actual protector. Although I guess if I was a lying wolf and there was a protector then that’d be a way to get them to reveal? But I feel like it would just backfire in some way

Do you feel things would backfire in a jenjen situation?

 

[Viscernable]

Alley namedrops (did not look for replies to alley as well) D1 by living players, since I feel it’s likely alley/AM or alley/Barks.

Spoiler

sunnyside up: genny, true, zenges
cold beans: AM, PSV
pancakes that are too thick: alissa, alley, barks
missed breakfast entirely: vis

let's see how accurate i am later lol.

what makes alley a village lean?

Bouncy calves - True, genny, AM, alley
That shoulder-lurking “friendly” cow at herd health - Barky, alissa
Headshy thoroughbred strangles vax - Zenge
9 month dehorning - PSV

Very slapdash list while I wait for my reactor to get to temperature. Just my general vibes right now, no one is howling for me yet. genny is the only person I feel like I have a fairly clear read on (not just because she's more active, I know she's sick, but because of the way she's interacting.)

genny

Barks
PSV
Zenge
AM
Alley
Alissa
Vissy

You said alley was going after low hanging fruit for saying alissa was in her POE. I mentioned genny straight up voted her. You are fully unbothered by the latter. No one asked you to vote for alissa. If this isn't about alissa, then why are you wolfreading alley?

I'm particularly interested in PSV's alley read because she went from openly village reading alley, to thinking alley hadn't posted enough, to wolfreading alley. All this change was for two posts.

i'm confused about the 2 posts part. you mean alley only posted twice during PSV's evolving read? because she's posted more than twice this game.

alley made two additional posts which resulted in a reads revolution. Every post prior to those corresponds to a PSV tone village read.

those must have been some super wolfy posts

Or I went back and revisited posts from some of the players I mentioned earlier and reevaluated.

A ~soft~ tone village read. As in, malleable, pliable, can be shaped into something else.

You specifically asked me whether I disagree with Alissa being in the POE.

I missed those reevaluation posts. Could you highlight then for me?

That's... not how tone reads work. A tone read is the strongest form of a village lean/wolf lean you can give someone. If you want stronger, it goes into mechanical proof.

Yes, because you said alley's post bothered you. And she listed alissa as a POE memeber. I fail to understand why someone merely mentioning alissa is more worrisome than someone straight up calling her wolfy and voting her.

Though that reminds me of another thing I'm curious about.

@potentialsheltervet You said you've never seen a wolf!alley game, did you compare her play here to her wolf games?

There’s certainly a lot of indirect alley defence/pushback against alley sus from AM

I liked alley’s reads post. The one quoted here I could see as sheepy, but seems like it’s very compatible with alley of any affiliation and her reads post gives reasoning for what she says here.

I have not, but from what I understand she hasn't wolfed in about a year.

Do you plan to compare?

And then there was some chatter about what wolf games alley’s played, I cut that since it seems 100% NAI and no one got around to reading them afaik

It feels odd that you’re wolf-reading people who have questioned you the most, but you’re strongly village reading genny who’s actually voting for you (as of the last tally I saw).

I’ve talked this post to death so ya’ll know how I feel, but it also strikes me that it’s similar to AM’s push on PSV about “I fail to understand why someone merely mentioning alissa is more worrisome than someone straight up calling her wolfy and voting her”, so I wonder if that sort of reasoning was on her mind from wolfchat

My feelings on alley and PSV are whipping back and forth. They’re who I’ve gotten the most oings from but I’m still afraid

Rood

Yeet Alley

The push on PSV feels opportunistic and I'm really not sure where else to put it.


I think it's funny that Zenge liked this when he vote and analysis withholds all the time on D1

So not True/alley

Oho, a tie possibility?

Vote alley

Y'all are braver than I am to yeet alley D1.

After all that pushing me earlier, you don't know what this means?

In response to PSV asking about above post

Not feeling this

Unyeet alley
Yeet PSV

Pretty sure alley is a common D1 misyeet

This is the only time barks mentioned alley D1 afaik

There is zero correlation between one and the other.

In response to AM’s reply a couple posts above

I mean, except the whole point that you thought my alley push was weird in the "recent" game because she was misyeeted D1 a lot.

This was a weird one. PSV said no such thing, and I feel like AM’s earlier posts about PSV’s push on her showed that AM understood the comparison PSV made was purely PSV thinking that the immediate reasonless vote was a wolf!AM thing. Kind of wondering if it’s a wolf!AM panic-say-something-to-throw-sus-even-if-it-doesn’t-make-sense moment (panic because she was literally coming down from the adrenaline of doing all she could think of to pull the last-minute waffles onto her packmate off, and they barely scraped by without alley getting yeeted. Because I make bad decisions.)

Y'all are the ones that just misyeeted a villager, not me.

This is actually gross. Is alley confirmed wolf or are you backseat driving?

Alley is obviously not confirmed wolf?

What is backseat driving by your definition?

you didn't like Vis's waffle from alley to PSV after the troll write up. like you knew PSV was going to flip village.

 

[Barkley13]

Do you feel things would backfire in a jenjen situation?

Jenjen?

 

[Barkley13]

Was jenjen the wolf protector in that one game?

 

[Animal Midwife]

There’s certainly a lot of indirect alley defence/pushback against alley sus from AM

It was all in the context of PSV being inconsistent. I was trying to get answers and they felt incompatible with what was actually happening. Hence me encouraging real followup by comparing alley's wolf games.

And then there was some chatter about what wolf games alley’s played, I cut that since it seems 100% NAI and no one got around to reading them afaik

I’ve talked this post to death so ya’ll know how I feel, but it also strikes me that it’s similar to AM’s push on PSV about “I fail to understand why someone merely mentioning alissa is more worrisome than someone straight up calling her wolfy and voting her”, so I wonder if that sort of reasoning was on her mind from wolfchat

I don't understand why alley wouldn't know the tally if that was something we were coordinating in wolf chat. I clearly understood genny was voting alissa, and not PSV, and said as much on thread. So why wouldn't she know that too?

This was a weird one. PSV said no such thing, and I feel like AM’s earlier posts about PSV’s push on her showed that AM understood the comparison PSV made was purely PSV thinking that the immediate reasonless vote was a wolf!AM thing. Kind of wondering if it’s a wolf!AM panic-say-something-to-throw-sus-even-if-it-doesn’t-make-sense moment (panic because she was literally coming down from the adrenaline of doing all she could think of to pull the last-minute waffles onto her packmate off, and they barely scraped by without alley getting yeeted. Because I make bad decisions.)

I didn't think it would have anything to do with my vote timing because True said, even before PSV started that baseless crusade, that I do it every game. So I assumed she got caught in a fallacy since she would have had to have blatantly ignored every game she's played with me + True's reminder for that to be a real reason. I couldn't see why a villager would do that. I also don't understand why you're saying it doesn't make sense when I made my stance very clear up to that point. PSV was pushing incorrect information about me and then would get vaguer everytime I tried to clarify why she was wolfreading me + was inexplicably village reading genny for pushing someone she thought was wasteful + wolfreading alley for just mentioning alissa. I still don't understand what PSV's point was and why she was suspecting me even before roles went out.

All this said, what made you exclude genny/alley?

 

[Animal Midwife]

Was jenjen the wolf protector in that one game?

Yes.

 

[Animal Midwife]

I guess there's also Donuts, but I still don't understand why every wolf PR was protection-based when there were no killing abilities in that game.

 

[Viscernable]

I don't understand why alley wouldn't know the tally if that was something we were coordinating in wolf chat. I clearly understood genny was voting alissa, and not PSV, and said as much on thread. So why wouldn't she know that too?

That’s true

 

[Viscernable]

All this said, what made you exclude genny/alley?

I guess it’s possible. They haven’t interacted much

 

[Animal Midwife]

I guess it’s possible. They haven’t interacted much

Are there any other pairing your looking at as well?

 

[Viscernable]

Are there any other pairing your looking at as well?

Barks/alley. True/genny?

 

[Truenamer]

Alley namedrops (did not look for replies to alley as well) D1 by living players, since I feel it’s likely alley/AM or alley/Barks.

Spoiler

There’s certainly a lot of indirect alley defence/pushback against alley sus from AM




And then there was some chatter about what wolf games alley’s played, I cut that since it seems 100% NAI and no one got around to reading them afaik

I’ve talked this post to death so ya’ll know how I feel, but it also strikes me that it’s similar to AM’s push on PSV about “I fail to understand why someone merely mentioning alissa is more worrisome than someone straight up calling her wolfy and voting her”, so I wonder if that sort of reasoning was on her mind from wolfchat



So not True/alley




In response to PSV asking about above post



This is the only time barks mentioned alley D1 afaik

In response to AM’s reply a couple posts above

This was a weird one. PSV said no such thing, and I feel like AM’s earlier posts about PSV’s push on her showed that AM understood the comparison PSV made was purely PSV thinking that the immediate reasonless vote was a wolf!AM thing. Kind of wondering if it’s a wolf!AM panic-say-something-to-throw-sus-even-if-it-doesn’t-make-sense moment (panic because she was literally coming down from the adrenaline of doing all she could think of to pull the last-minute waffles onto her packmate off, and they barely scraped by without alley getting yeeted. Because I make bad decisions.)

Thank you for taking the time to put this together, I found it very helpful.

Posts like this are why I'm having a hard time picturing Wolf!Vis.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Thank you for taking the time to put this together, I found it very helpful.

Posts like this are why I'm having a hard time picturing Wolf!Vis.

I don't know if Vis is a wolf, but please don't clear her simply for ISOing. It's different if you agree with what she's saying, but she's strong regardless of affiliation. She specifically got miscleared for the cases she built on people in Pirates.

 

[Truenamer]

Barks/alley. True/genny?

I like the idea that I night cancelled just to flex on the village 🤣

 

[genny]

I don't know if Vis is a wolf, but please don't clear her simply for ISOing. It's different if you agree with what she's saying, but she's strong regardless of affiliation. She specifically got miscleared for the cases she built on people in Pirates.

what are your reads?

 

[Truenamer]

what are your reads?

No rush, but I'd also love to hear your thoughts. Trying to figure out who's mutually compatible with whom is giving me a headache.