Supernatural: Villains WW Game Thread

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cubsrule4e said:
Theres 10 people left. Odds are slimming. If youre looking for scum in those 3 Id go for stout. Im not scum reading her, but her agreeing with almost everything Ive said is definitely new to me. Have you or anyone else seen a Stout pocket yet?
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Wait why are you suggesting a Stoat vote to samac when you're still yeeting her?
 
Zenge142 said:
I’ve seen a real dynamic between Cubs/Stoat/Fluff. I don’t necessarily think all 3 are wolves but I think there’s at least 1 wolf in there, maybe 2. There’s been a real team/pack dynamic. Some maybe misguided or pocketing.

Cubs’s point on Stoat is legitimate. It feels like she’s been sheeping a bit.

Cubs’s willingness to say it, and suggest a possible yeet seemed like a good opening. I want to see if he’s willing to follow through.
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Also hey Zenge. Remember when you were a wolf in Bowwling? Remember when you asked me why I voted off-wagon when the wagons were Ivy and Fluff and I didn't want to vote either? And I very specifically did not want to vote Fluff?

I still do not. Literally, unless she rojos, I'm not here for it.
 
bluestoat said:
Also hey Zenge. Remember when you were a wolf in Bowwling? Remember when you asked me why I voted off-wagon when the wagons were Ivy and Fluff and I didn't want to vote either? And I very specifically did not want to vote Fluff?

I still do not. Literally, unless she rojos, I'm not here for it.
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I’m not asking you to vote Fluff… 🤔
 
So then I'm wondering why Samac is so adamant about Fluff-- another noob, yeesh, so many noob votes from her-- and I'm wondering why you're not even willing to entertain my perspective.
 
Yeah seriously, both of you @samac and @Zenge142 , you're both stuck on my initial reaction to a weird-ass post and an off-wagon vote, when I've played enough games where wolves jump on wagons, don't leave them. Maybe stop accusing me and Stoat and grab a mirror?
 
ace=blue>fluff=samac=zenge>cubs=MsP>kdswg=shelty

ace- this could be bias but ace is tuggin on my noob heartstrings. I noted both p911 and p918 as posts that I can see any noob villager trying their best to be provillage, esp thrown in w everyone else, would make
blue-similar feels to last game

fluff- a lot of posts and logic flow seem to be coming from a provillage place
samac- i dislike how much I'm disagreeing w her, but other than that, she feels similar to a village!samac I'm familiar with
z- i dislike how much I'm disagreeing w him. its hard to believe he would make that opening post as a wolf, even though i consider the post itself pretty NAI. (outlined somewhere above) it WOULD and HAS drawn an inordinate amount of attention to him, and why would you do that to yourself if you're a woof? esp bc i feel like we know a wolf!z prefers to fly under the radar

cubs-I cant quite place if the samac tunnel is AI. I'm like thissss close to leaning him village
MsP- not enough info yet

kdswg- i don't think i buy that the alley vote wasn't just adding insult to injury and cementing a misyeet.
shelty- i couldn't see the logic on the alley vote

I'm hoping to sus out who's more wolfy, kd or psv over the next day
 
bluestoat said:
So then I'm wondering why Samac is so adamant about Fluff-- another noob, yeesh, so many noob votes from her-- and I'm wondering why you're not even willing to entertain my perspective.
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Sure, Samac has a…predilection for yeeting noobs. I’m not sure what her deal is with the noob violence but there it is.

But that’s NAI. She’s gotten hard on noobs the last few games.

So your perspective that she’s wolfing because of the fluffy tunnel, doesn’t really make sense. She tunnels. It’s what Samac does. I’ve entertained your perspective and it doesn’t track.

Samac’s case on Fluff isn’t a bad case. It has its merits. Idk if she’s right, but it’s not an unfounded or unreasonable case.

Pushing Samac for tunneling a noob however, is a little off.
 
Zenge142 said:
I’ve seen a real dynamic between Cubs/Stoat/Fluff. I don’t necessarily think all 3 are wolves but I think there’s at least 1 wolf in there, maybe 2. There’s been a real team/pack dynamic. Some maybe misguided or pocketing.

Cubs’s point on Stoat is legitimate. It feels like she’s been sheeping a bit.

Cubs’s willingness to say it, and suggest a possible yeet seemed like a good opening. I want to see if he’s willing to follow through.
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but i feel like the same could be said for you and samac right now
so if cubs bites will you move cubs village?
 
Zenge142 said:
Sure, Samac has a…predilection for yeeting noobs. I’m not sure what her deal is with the noob violence but there it is.

But that’s NAI. She’s gotten hard on noobs the last few games.

So your perspective that she’s wolfing because of the fluffy tunnel, doesn’t really make sense. She tunnels. It’s what Samac does. I’ve entertained your perspective and it doesn’t track.

Samac’s case on Fluff isn’t a bad case. It has its merits. Idk if she’s right, but it’s not an unfounded or unreasonable case.

Pushing Samac for tunneling a noob however, is a little off.
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Yeah? I've surely never stuck my neck out for a noob before, or for someone I'm sure is village (like kdswg... Who was a wolf, granted... Or a long argument with Bob in defense of a village True in Stardeww)
 
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bluestoat said:
Yeah? I've surely never stuck my neck out for a noob before, or for someone I'm sure is village (like kdswg... Who was a wolf, granted... Or a long argument with Bob in defense of a village True in Stardeww)
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Okay but my argument is that, even if you’re right and Samac is wrong, that doesn’t make her a wolf, but from what I can tell you’re saying she is a wolf largely based on her Fluff push, which, even if she is wrong, is at least consistent with her village play. So your argument that it makes her a likely wolf doesn’t hold water.
 
vetschoolsletmeinplease said:
I mean yeah even from my perspective it looks like you and her are backing each other up more than i would expect
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Can you give me an example of something I’ve said that meets the qualifications of:
1: Me backing Samac up
2: You disagree with the merits of my points?

Because I’ll stand by my statements and clarify anything that you’re unclear on, or help elucidate my points if you disagree on anything.
 
Zenge142 said:
Okay but my argument is that, even if you’re right and Samac is wrong, that doesn’t make her a wolf, but from what I can tell you’re saying she is a wolf largely based on her Fluff push, which, even if she is wrong, is at least consistent with her village play. So your argument that it makes her a likely wolf doesn’t hold water.
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I'm not, I am going to go ahead and pull my posts to show where I started and it was with her Ace vote and then Cubs feeling her tone is off. Her choosing Fluff is the LATEST. Please, for the love of everything, don't fixate on that one thing because it is not like I didn't vote her yesterday
 
Well. Gonna take my puppydog out first, but Zenge you are choosing a really interesting battle right now.
 
justafluff said:
didn’t you just list me Stoat and cubs as the Wolfpack? Do you need to vote for me to call it a tunnel?
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This is what I’ve said.
Zenge142 said:
ve seen a real dynamic between Cubs/Stoat/Fluff. I don’t necessarily think all 3 are wolves but I think there’s at least 1 wolf in there, maybe 2. There’s been a real team/pack dynamic. Some maybe misguided or pocketing.
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Samac’s case is something I’m considering, I’m feeling good that there’s at least one wolf, maybe two, in that group of three that includes you. I’m still watching to see how things play out to make more sold determinations.
 
bluestoat said:
I'm changing my vote.

Story time: in my role PM, I mused that Samac's vote on Ace was interesting and I wrote a little tinfoil that when she's a wolf, she's likelier to vote on a noob. Samac tends to play with a little bit of psychology mixed into her game strategy, and she definitely must be considering the cognitive bias people have against the "other"; it makes her votes innocuous at the beginning, and noobs aren't very good at self-defense. They also don't have a meta or established group of peers to draw on for support. If she's village, she is likelier to circle around and possibly vote on established/veteran players. Also... I think Samac is smart enough to recognize that Ace was joking? And she is also smart enough to seize the opportunity a joke provides?

Then Zenge said he found that Ace's play pings him too and I was like "well nevermind, I don't think he's a wolf at all and I'm just being dumb/pro-noob again, better keep mum and ask about the Ace sus"

THEN Cub showed up on thread. He has a simpatico with Samac that far exceeds most players. If he comes in D1, reads the thread, and think "eesh this is weird, vote Samac" then tbh I'll sheep that.

Unvote kdswg
Vote Samac
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@Zenge142 ALSO HEY. Remember this??? Remember it?! From yesterday?! Why are you changing the narrative about my voting motivation, Zenge, you even REACTED to this post so you definitely read it.
 
bluestoat said:
I'm not, I am going to go ahead and pull my posts to show where I started and it was with her Ace vote and then Cubs feeling her tone is off. Her choosing Fluff is the LATEST. Please, for the love of everything, don't fixate on that one thing because it is not like I didn't vote her yesterday
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Are you feeling good about Ace?
 
Then I changed my vote because I didn't ever actually research the tinfoil, I got eager when Cubs added fuel to the feeling, and I can find the post where I ask about the Ace sus too after I'm done with irl stuff
 
Zenge142 said:
Are you feeling good about Ace?
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Well I'm not wolf reading him, he's a solid neutral pending more info. He was easy easy misyeet bait in the noob game and village choked on him at endgame. His tone isn't different so I'm not just going to throw him on the wolfpile, and my village reads of him and Oxy, who both caught flack for being lowposters, wasn't wrong.
 
Zenge142 said:
How do you know I’m not the one pocketing her? 😛
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You're confusing this game, I'll grant. I don't have a strong grip on you, but knowing who your PM partner is, I now understand some of it.
 
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bluestoat said:
You're confusing this game, I'll grant. I don't have a strong grip on you, but knowing who your PM partner is, I now understand some of it.
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You’re not confusing other people this game which is interesting.

Usually you’re a bit of a loose cannon, doing all sorts of shenanigans. Feels like you’ve been playing it safe this game.
 
Zenge142 said:
You’re not confusing other people this game which is interesting.

Usually you’re a bit of a loose cannon, doing all sorts of shenanigans. Feels like you’ve been playing it safe this game.
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*Looks back at the whole argument*

Maybe compared to you, Mr. Copypasta, but your bar is a little high even for me to jump to.
 
bluestoat said:
@Zenge142 ALSO HEY. Remember this??? Remember it?! From yesterday?! Why are you changing the narrative about my voting motivation, Zenge, you even REACTED to this post so you definitely read it.
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I’m not changing the narrative.
You posted this:
bluestoat said:
Yeet Samac

I haven't got a better view, it's interesting how out of sync those two (Cubs, Samac) are being, and I really, truly do not think Fluff is a wolf. But I am reminded of how easy she was for wolves to push in Bowwling.
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And I point blank asked the question
Zenge142 said:
So is your Samac vote based purely on her Fluff push?
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Which you, I don’t think answered directly.

Fine, there’s other reasons, the Ace vote, and Cubs being sus of Samac.

Ace has been pinging me all game, so that makes sense to me.

I’m not sure why you think Cubs has a God read on Samac?

So if that’s your other two reasons, I don’t really think any of them hold water.
 
Zenge142 said:
I’m not changing the narrative.
You posted this:

And I point blank asked the question

Which you, I don’t think answered directly.

Fine, there’s other reasons, the Ace vote, and Cubs being sus of Samac.

Ace has been pinging me all game, so that makes sense to me.

I’m not sure why you think Cubs has a God read on Samac?

So if that’s your other two reasons, I don’t really think any of them hold water.
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I answered very directly, more than once, that the answer is no. Stop twisting my words. How are you so dead certain Samac isn't suspect? A number of other people think so but you, who have exclusive access to her in PMs, do not. What has she told you that is so compelling that you talk like her, post for her, and are arguing against my voting her here in her place-- which I have never seen YOU do before, I now realize. This is totally beyond YOUR meta. It's like you've mind-melded with her. So what's so profoundly convincing in your PMs?
 
You are very much attempting, very hard, to make it seem like I have suddenly come to this vote and am the only person who thinks there's something off there. Very unlike you, Zenge.
 
bluestoat said:
I answered very directly, more than once, that the answer is no. Stop twisting my words. How are you so dead certain Samac isn't suspect? A number of other people think so but you, who have exclusive access to her in PMs, do not. What has she told you that is so compelling that you talk like her, post for her, and are arguing against my voting her here in her place-- which I have never seen YOU do before, I now realize. This is totally beyond YOUR meta. It's like you've mind-melded with her. So what's so profoundly convincing in your PMs?
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I’m not trying to twist your words. Your argument for wolf reading Samac doesn’t hold water.

Your reasons, correct me if I’m wrong, are
1. Fluff push
2. Ace vote
3. Cubs also thinking Samac is off.

My problem with these reasonings are this:

1. Samac frequently pushes noobs, and her case on Fluff, isn’t without merit.
2. Ace has been pinging me all game, and so a vote there doesn’t raise my hackles.
3. I’ve never known Cubs to be someone who has a known track record for reading Samac correctly. It’s not like he’s frequently wrong or anything, but I’ve literally never played a game where someone was like “Let’s see what Cubs thinks about Samac, he always knows how to read her.”

Cubs Samac read is irrelevant, especially when you supposedly don’t know Cub’s own affiliation. So using it to justify your Samac read shouldn’t be happening.
 
Zenge142 said:
I’m not trying to twist your words. Your argument for wolf reading Samac doesn’t hold water.

Your reasons, correct me if I’m wrong, are
1. Fluff push
2. Ace vote
3. Cubs also thinking Samac is off.

My problem with these reasonings are this:

1. Samac frequently pushes noobs, and her case on Fluff, isn’t without merit.
2. Ace has been pinging me all game, and so a vote there doesn’t raise my hackles.
3. I’ve never known Cubs to be someone who has a known track record for reading Samac correctly. He’s not it’s not like he’s frequently wrong or anything, but I’ve literally never played a game where someone was like “Let’s see what Cubs thinks about Samac, he always knows how to read her.”

Cubs Samac read is irrelevant, especially when you supposedly don’t know Cub’s own affiliation. So using it to justify your Samac read shouldn’t be happening.
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I really, really look forward to her taking you to end game. I'm not a wolf. What has you so sure she isn't? Why are you arguing like this? What did she say in her PM with you? Why is your gameplay so all over the map this time, from post one?
 
You know what, I'm backing Stoat on this. Samac has felt very different this game. Usually, she and cubs are buddies and are happy to game-solve together, yet in this game she stays distant from cubs, isn't that excited to wolfhunt even if it's me or Ace. She's more...subdued? Cubs pointed that out on D1 which I agreed with, and which is why I village read him. Plus Stoat's logic is right, if cubs were wolfing, why attempt to yeet samac, who does put up a fight and is widely village-read when she's village. I don't see that happening here, and it weirds me out. It's not her vote on me or Ace, it's her tone/ attitude and the distance from Cubs.
 
bluestoat said:
you talk like her
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Can you point this out? Because if you’re going to say the same thing cubs did, I already pointed out it was nonsensical to crucify me for using the phrase “pushing a narrative” in a conversation about “pushing a narrative”.
bluestoat said:
post for her
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I don’t think so…🤔
bluestoat said:
and are arguing against my voting her here in her place
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I’m saying your case isn’t compelling, and I’ve laid out my reasons why.
 
justafluff said:
You know what, I'm backing Stoat on this. Samac has felt very different this game. Usually, she and cubs are buddies and are happy to game-solve together, yet in this game she stays distant from cubs, isn't that excited to wolfhunt even if it's me or Ace. She's more...subdued? Cubs pointed that out on D1 which I agreed with, and which is why I village read him. Plus Stoat's logic is right, if cubs were wolfing, why attempt to yeet samac, who does put up a fight and is widely village-read when she's village. I don't see that happening here, and it weirds me out. It's not her vote on me or Ace, it's her tone/ attitude and the distance from Cubs.
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I mean she is on vacation :shrug:

Not everyone always plays the game the same especially in different IRL circumstances.
 
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