Supernatural: Villains WW Game Thread

[cubsrule4e]

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I kinda feel like me, fluff, and midwife have been the ones going in circles (especially fluff and AM), with please interjecting here and there. PSV has kind of been a little more scarce in the background watching.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Yeah MarWWel W!fluff was more aloof and defeatist, almost refused to role reveal (which isnt what I was going for here, but its end game, not like its hurting anything). This game she's been a bit of attack mode, went toe to toe with midwife... just not feeling it.

unvote fluff

Aside from the non-cannibal seer, why couldnt it be PSV at this point? Ive forgotten all about the case for or against her.

The main case against her is being off wagon, but I guess I thought being non-cannibal was meaningful.

 

[cubsrule4e]

The problem is if we vote out PSV today and she's village, AM cant be blocked again tonight. The other thing is if the cannibal status isnt a useful way to evaluate people, what would be the point of pleasy's role?

 

[Animal Midwife]

The problem is if we vote out PSV today and she's village, AM cant be blocked again tonight. The other thing is if the cannibal status isnt a useful way to evaluate people, what would be the point of pleasy's role?

The only meta I have is I know dubz hates seers. So I wouldn't be surprised if it were nerfed in some way (maybe alley was the nerf).

 

[cubsrule4e]

@vetschoolsletmeinplease What do you think is the best course of action? Vote AM and block PSV? Or are you still thinking its me or fluff?

 

[Animal Midwife]

Stoat died to let me live, and the last thing she told me was to block AM plus good luck cause it’s going to be an incredibly hard push. I’ll stay on my AM vote until she flips or I die.

That's exactly what bothers me.

 

[justafluff]

That's exactly what bothers me.

If she really set me up against you just for laughs then I don’t know what to say. I just trust that she’d never do that. She didn’t need to die in my place if her goal was to troll me and set up a fight between you and me.

 

[vetschoolsletmeinplease]

the point of yeeting Pleasey would be to allow a kill to happen. But if I’m right about even/odd nights we might still end up where we are today.

i thought it was just to buy another cycle

I kinda feel like me, fluff, and midwife have been the ones going in circles (especially fluff and AM), with please interjecting here and there. PSV has kind of been a little more scarce in the background watching.

oh trust me the circular cavern from my mental pacing is DEEP

The problem is if we vote out PSV today and she's village, AM cant be blocked again tonight. The other thing is if the cannibal status isnt a useful way to evaluate people, what would be the point of pleasy's role?

just for funsie facts? 🤣

@vetschoolsletmeinplease What do you think is the best course of action? Vote AM and block PSV? Or are you still thinking its me or fluff?

idk plz no ask me am just a neutral
honestly, if you guys think it'll be best to buy you time you can yeet me and ill give myself the honorary village win in my head bc i was village till i died so like it counts right?
the thing is i agree that AM cannot be OG wolf. so also can't be 3p. there is an OG wolf out there, it ain't her.
so then i also circle back to it has to be you, fluff, or psv.
fluff at this point i think just got DEEPLY pocketed
so you or psv
but like
i don't think its either of you
you claim vanilla right?

PSV do you claim any PRs

 

[justafluff]

DubZ was a mod in the noob game, and PSV was a seer, in that she seered which song everyone is. But I think (@WildZoo correct me if I’m wrong) the songs that were wolves were not from the 2000s, they were either late 90s or 2010. So there was a way to kinda mechanic-solve the game with the seering but wasn’t super useful unless you knew what song everyone was.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Since we're at endgame, and the remaining mechanics seem straightforward, I can reveal if people want.

 

[cubsrule4e]

Ok well I dont have much else new to go on. I feel a little better about fluff. So Im going back to AM for the moment. I cant explain the bussing thing, nor can I reconcile how itd be PSV as a non cannibal. So putting mechanics aside Im going to go with gut. If its not midwife, PSV can be blocked tonight.

Unfortunately theres no possible way I can be here at close due to a doctors meeting, and probably not for an hour or so before either if the thread takes off and gets crazy. But I'll have some time to check in throughout the afternoon up until about 6.

vote midwife

 

[WildZoo]

DubZ was a mod in the noob game, and PSV was a seer, in that she seered which song everyone is. But I think (@WildZoo correct me if I’m wrong) the songs that were wolves were not from the 2000s, they were either late 90s or 2010. So there was a way to kinda mechanic-solve the game with the seering but wasn’t super useful unless you knew what song everyone was.

I love when people try to use mod meta to solve games, but before you embark on such perilous adventures you may want to keep in mind that I designed about 10% of that game, and the person who designed most of it is not involved in this one at all

 

[justafluff]

i thought it was just to buy another cycle

We don’t need another cycle with the data we have. Allowing a kill to happen when I block PSV/ cubs would point to AM.

oh trust me the circular cavern from my mental pacing is DEEP

LOL

idk plz no ask me am just a neutral
honestly, if you guys think it'll be best to buy you time you can yeet me and ill give myself the honorary village win in my head bc i was village till i died so like it counts right?

I just really don’t want to repeat this again.

An argument pro-PSV and pro-cubs. If either is a non-cannibal wolf, they can’t afford to just not kill, killing will get them to parity.
This isn’t the same for cannibal wolves. When they kill that player comes back.

So how do you win against village if you re the last killer and each person you kill comes back? Eventually you ll get found out. So the best thing to do is holster your kills until village yeets each other esp with a blocker present (when a block and no kills means that the villager who got blocked is the killer)

Point is, whoever is holstering they are cannibal

 

[Animal Midwife]

 

[WildZoo]

In general trying to use mod meta to game solve is ill-advised, and I do recommend you all turn your analysis to more fruitful pursuits

 

[justafluff]

Since we're at endgame, and the remaining mechanics seem straightforward, I can reveal if people want.

There’s only one character that would make sense for you to be in my head… but feel free to reveal.

 

[Animal Midwife]

There’s only one character that would make sense for you to be in my head… but feel free to reveal.

I'm Michael, a vanillager.

 

[cubsrule4e]

Is there a case to be made that please could be a wolf cannibal seer? Just trying to cover all the bases. I forget the timeline, could she have been a stoat kill?

 

[justafluff]

Is there a case to be made that please could be a wolf cannibal seer? Just trying to cover all the bases. I forget the timeline, could she have been a stoat kill?

Yes. Cause I blocked samac.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Is there a case to be made that please could be a wolf cannibal seer? Just trying to cover all the bases. I forget the timeline, could she have been a stoat kill?

please can't be a wolf unless the game is bastard.

 

[justafluff]

Is there a case to be made that please could be a wolf cannibal seer? Just trying to cover all the bases. I forget the timeline, could she have been a stoat kill?

But then I don’t get why stoat never focused on please, or mention her.

 

[justafluff]

Unless stoat really wanted to side with the wolves, which doesn’t make sense cause she pushed samac

 

[Animal Midwife]

Unless stoat really wanted to side with the wolves, which doesn’t make sense cause she pushed samac

Not that this is an argument for wolf!please, but she spent the remainder of her time killing and yeeting villagers.

 

[justafluff]

Not that this is an argument for wolf!please, but she spent the remainder of her time killing and yeeting villagers.

She did cause it was her wincon. But her wincon was to kill/ yeet wolves and villagers alike.

 

[vetschoolsletmeinplease]

Unless stoat really wanted to side with the wolves, which doesn’t make sense cause she pushed samac

the only thing i can think of is kill 1 wolf =endless village cred
and then let the other also pick village off

 

[vetschoolsletmeinplease]

hey fluff youre good at figuring out the kills thing
is it possible that between samac and stoat, all kills are accounted for?
I'm thinking that if there's a noncannibal wolf, they haven't killed yet and avoided killing last night

 

[Animal Midwife]

She did cause it was her wincon. But her wincon was to kill/ yeet wolves and villagers alike.

I'm aware. That doesn't erasing the heavy wolf-siding that occurred though.

 

[vetschoolsletmeinplease]

off the top of my head, this is what has been claimed:
AM: vanillager
Cubs: vanillager
fluff: village blocker
has psv claimed anything yet?
please: former village cannibal detector, now neutral cannibal detector

 

[vetschoolsletmeinplease]

Spoiler: me trying to hack into the wolf chat to see who's there

mods am kidding I'm only semicompetent in R and don't code otherwise

 

[vetschoolsletmeinplease]

im convinced if i keep typing my thoughts out ill have an epiphany

it's not me
it's not AM it's mechanically not possible

so its fluff, cubs, or psv.

psv is confirmed noncannibal, PR???????
i cannot for the life of me remember how stoat felt about fluff but do we need to treat stoat as a downed wolf who planted WIFOM?
i don't see a reason why it cannot be psv. the noncannibal just means that there hasn't been a kill done by PSV yet

cubs noncannibal, vanillager claimed
I feel like it's also very unlikely cubs is the OG wolf. he had it out for samac so early. but again, no reasons its mechanically impossible

fluff is ???cannibal?, village blocker claimed (and the block part at least seems very likely)
I GUESS wolf blocker is possible?? idk man but fluff just feels so dang village in the way she was pocketed

 

[justafluff]

hey fluff youre good at figuring out the kills thing
is it possible that between samac and stoat, all kills are accounted for?
I'm thinking that if there's a noncannibal wolf, they haven't killed yet and avoided killing last night

I think so too.
N1: Someone tried to kill stoat the night she killed AM (samac)
N2: You got killed the night I blocked samac so I assume that was stoat cause according to the SK role, if she holsters, she dies.
N4: stoat killed Zenge. (Body found next to her when she got yeeted)

N3: ?? Either stoat killed Zenge or another cannibal did, while stoat tried to kill someone that had death avoidance

 

[justafluff]

off the top of my head, this is what has been claimed:
AM: vanillager
Cubs: vanillager
fluff: village blocker
has psv claimed anything yet?
please: former village cannibal detector, now neutral cannibal detector

She said she wouldn’t get a notification anyway, when I said “how about I block you next” when she didn’t believe me

 

[vetschoolsletmeinplease]

while stoat tried to kill someone that had death avoidance

this could only be PSV based on am and cubs being vanillager
or stoat just killed z again bc stoat wasn't sure who to kill
or stoat was scared zenge would seer her because it was getting down to more and more likely
i think it was stoat twice actually

 

[Animal Midwife]

Something just occurred to me. Is there even any evidence stoat was attacked N1 outside of her word?

 

[vetschoolsletmeinplease]

Something just occurred to me. Is there even any evidence stoat was attacked N1 outside of her word?

i dont think so

 

[Animal Midwife]

It'd be a bummer if it turned out I was just double tapped by samac and stoat.

 

[vetschoolsletmeinplease]

ok
so we need to find out from psv:
claimed pr
murder avoidance yes/no

 

[vetschoolsletmeinplease]

n1: am possibly just double tapped by samac (cannibal) and stoat (cannibal)
n2: I was killed by stoat while samac couldn't kill
n3: stoat kills z
n4: stoat kills z, was an attempt made on anyone else's life?
n5: no one dies

this fits even night kills possibly

 

[vetschoolsletmeinplease]

n1: am possibly just double tapped by samac (cannibal) and stoat (cannibal)
n2: I was killed by stoat while samac couldn't kill
n3: stoat kills z
n4: stoat kills z, was an attempt made on anyone else's life?
n5: no one dies

this fits even night kills possibly

wait no it doesnt
nevermind lol

 

[justafluff]

this could only be PSV based on am and cubs being vanillager
or stoat just killed z again bc stoat wasn't sure who to kill
or stoat was scared zenge would seer her because it was getting down to more and more likely
i think it was stoat twice actually

But Zenge wasn’t actually the seer. If stoat killed Zenge once why kill him twice. I think it was a double cannibal kill by 2 separate ppl.

 

[vetschoolsletmeinplease]

But Zenge wasn’t actually the seer. If stoat killed Zenge once why kill him twice. I think it was a double cannibal kill by 2 separate ppl.

oh right
dang it
that was a modtroll
🙁

 

[vetschoolsletmeinplease]

but im so sure its not am she *does* *not* *bus*
and then the only person who is maybe not a cannibal is you
unless we're all wrong about what cannibal means

 

[Animal Midwife]

But Zenge wasn’t actually the seer. If stoat killed Zenge once why kill him twice. I think it was a double cannibal kill by 2 separate ppl.

The thing is, stoat said this when Zenge returned.

This kind of locks Zenge as a vanillager for me... But people claiming not to be blocked won't work again

I originally thought it could be downplaying Zenge's ability but it's likely TMI from killing him.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Perhaps those who rezzed would benefit from us getting derailed by that kind of conversation.

Spoiler Tag removed-- Please asked Zenge this when he was talking about lone wolves. IMMEDIATELY after. It seems like a very curious response.

[Do not open if you’re not zengeyboy"][I’m serious"]["This is my DIY pm "][Opening if you’re not zenges is a viOLATION OF MY PRIVACY"][Ok hi zengies "]"Now that it’s just us,"]["Seriously go away if you’re not zenge"]["Did you wake up feeling like something is different "]plz respond w the hamster emoji for yes or something else for no

This post came immediately after night close so would provide a motive for killing Zenge twice.

 

[Animal Midwife]

She may have legitimately thought Zenge converted to something that could harm her and/or was hoping to set up please lest please seered her.

 

[vetschoolsletmeinplease]

This post came immediately after night close so would provide a motive for killing Zenge twice.

omg I’m so sorry if I got you killed z

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Much to respond to, will break it up into bite sized chunks.

So Cubs and psv which of you was a damn good wolf who hasn’t killed yet

Not me.

Its probably PSV somehow and we're all screwed.

It's not.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

I kinda feel like me, fluff, and midwife have been the ones going in circles (especially fluff and AM), with please interjecting here and there. PSV has kind of been a little more scarce in the background watching.

That's because, due to unfortunate circumstances, I work Monday/Friday afternoons and Tuesday mornings. Wednesdays I am sheltering all morning. So I'm away from WW more than I was during most of my past games. I really hate my job though so who knows, maybe I will quit and be more WW available.

PSV do you claim any PRs

No.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

or stoat just killed z again bc stoat wasn't sure who to kill
or stoat was scared zenge would seer her because it was getting down to more and more likely

Fluff already addressed zenge wasn't actually a seer-- I see no reason for stoat to kill zenge two times. The first time? Yes, I think that was her. But not the second time, because it wouldn't really benefit her at all to strike him again unless she was testing a theory on affiliation changes post-rez or something. It would be detrimental to her wincon to go after zenge and not someone else.

Something just occurred to me. Is there even any evidence stoat was attacked N1 outside of her word?

There is not. Part of her PR was a 1x night kill avoidance but there's no evidence she actually used it prior to being yoten.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

I strongly suspect the last wolf is, in fact, a cannibal and has killed at least one player... which leads us back to AM or fluff. Again.