Sword of Truth WW - GAME THREAD

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StartingoverVet said:
There must be a way to block the wolf kill tonight. Escalla?

Can you try putting a vote in for MJ and see if escalla can confirm if you are still under his spell. Maybe conversion freed you and she would tell you? Worth a shot?
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Escalla already told me that if I am ever free from MJ's curse she would let me know. Has not happened.
 
DVMDream said:
I would not be against seeing him post his exact role description on thread. For sure.

However, I do not think he is lying about the lynch killing me. Remember when I voted for him at the time I had collared him? I did so because I was frustrated. Escalla PM'd me and made it VERY clear that I was most definitely still under his control, despite the collar being used on him. I don't think she would have done that if I would have been safe from the lynch.

Basically, if MJ is a wolf and Escalla allowed him to be, this game was never winnable by the villagers.
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Never say never...

you guys had ample opportunity to lynch him from day 1... You guys made conscious decision after conscious decision to not lynch him, mainly in the name of protecting you.

Think about it. Even with the alpha wolf and the 1 lynch avoider, when was the last time we have had this low of a wolf to villager ratio. SOV's survive alive game, which I happened to win as a nearly lone wolf... Otherwise, you guys never contemplated that it was such a low ratio because what we are used to. Plus, I was outted really early, Cyndia died with 18 total left, and you had Epivet in your grasp with 13-14 total left but floundered on her til there were only 7 left. If you relynched epivet, my guess is this game would be long over by now.

And I say this as an aside, stepping down from my alpha wolf mocking you guys perch.

If I were you, I'd steer clear of any absolute type of assumptions like that. There is much to this game neither side fully understands about the other.
 
StartingoverVet said:
There must be a way to block the wolf kill tonight. Escalla?

Can you try putting a vote in for MJ and see if escalla can confirm if you are still under his spell. Maybe conversion freed you and she would tell you? Worth a shot?
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I'm not a wolf dude. If I were, victory would be impossible. I get *two* confessions and they are instant, not cycle dependent, so even if I were blocked at night I could convert another villager before the lynch. If I were a wolf, the game would be over, period, since two dead villagers would lead to parity. I was wondering whether the other wolf was you or FFM, but given how quickly you set out to frame me, I'm betting it's you.
 
Mad Jack said:
I'm not a wolf dude. If I were, victory would be impossible. I get *two* confessions and they are instant, not cycle dependent, so even if I were blocked at night I could convert another villager before the lynch. If I were a wolf, the game would be over, period, since two dead villagers would lead to parity. I was wondering whether the other wolf was you or FFM, but given how quickly you set out to frame me, I'm betting it's you.
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dude. load the next page. I already unlynched you. 🙄
 
DVMDream said:
I honestly think the MJ thing has been beaten over so much and has been considered every single lynch that if I were a wolf, I would not convert MJ and sit back laughing while the villagers waste two lynches.

There are some things that we have not considered at all:

-Who brought back WTF?
-Does she really still have the same role? I know she says she was attacked, but I don't know. Something seems odd to me there. That was the night epivet was collared, and WTF supposedly had the agiel used on her and was attacked.
-Anyone here can be considered a conversion target, myself included. We have been so focused on arguing over MJ this game, that I think we have lost a lot of sight of the bigger picture and have been floundering around like fish out of water all game.

I am open to any other thoughts/opinions, but I honestly think wolves are just leaving MJ in the game to provide a distraction for the villagers.
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Really??

You don't know who brought WTF back?

Are you being willfully obtuse?
 
DVMDream said:
No. I honestly have no idea.

Sorry, if it is obvious but I have been a bit distracted lately with stuff going on in real life, so if you don't mind pointing it out, I would appreciate it.
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It was her personal protector, whomever that was. WTF said thanks. I can't remember who it was.
 
Escalla said:
A busy night tonight. We will first take a look at the events within the Wilds.

Devyn exits the spirit house at dusk. After a long day within its walls, she's happy to be outside. She returns to her simple hut to build a fire for dinner. As she is placing the firewood, a dark figure enters her house. Unaware of its presence, she returns inside to retrieve the meat for the fire. A scream is heard throughout the camp. As people come rushing from all over the village, no one sees the figure exit her house. Devyn was found on the floor of her hut, a knife through her heart.

Next we travel to the Old World.

As 98cats moves swiftly through the forest, she keeps a sharp eye on her surroundings, always on the look-out for danger. With the bond to the Lord Rahl severed, she had to find him the old-fashioned way. Luckily she knew the general area in which he would have been headed.

It isn't long before she stumbles upon the gruesome scene. Bodies of Imperial Order soldiers lie strewn across the ground. What appears to be left of Sister Ulicia is also still present. Silent fury builds inside her as she sees Lord Rahl lying in a crumpled heap not far from Sister Ulicia. The sister should be glad her death was quick. She would not have made it so easy.

As she makes her way over to Richard, she hears the sounds of a large number of men approaching. They were likely from the Imperial Order. She hurries to Richard's side. Using her magic as a Mord Sith, she gives him the breath of life.

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She turns to meet the approaching men. There appears to be at least 4 dozen. She would be happy to send these miserable souls to the Keeper. She draws her agiels.

As she stands ready, she glances back at Richard. He seems disoriented as he climbs to his feet.

"Cara?"

"RUN." says Cara. "Run now."

Still dazed and confused, he listens to her and takes off into the forest.

Within seconds, the men are upon her. Spinning, she brings down her agiels onto the first two oncoming men, relishing in their screams of pain. However, as she works through the soldiers, she can feel herself tiring, her muscles burning. She pushes on. She has to give Richard the time to get away.

After some time, she realizes she's fighting a losing battle. There are too many. As she slams her agiel into the chest of one of the soldiers, two more spring on her. First a slash to the arm. She doesn't utter a sound. Next to the leg. Then a short sword enters through her back.

She looks down at the metal point protruding from her abdomen and smiles. Blood dripping from her lips. It is the death a Mord Sith dreams of. In battle in service to the Lord Rahl. Her last thoughts are of Richard as she collapses to the ground. Hopefully he got away.

Dead is devyn, Citizen of the Wilds

Also dead is 98cats, Cara Mason, Richard Rahl's most loyal friend and protector.

Welcome back to the Land of the Living, WhtsThFrequency.

It is now Day 8. Lynch Deadline 7:30 PM EST. Please be advised that group movement has occurred.

Aydindril
4. @DVMDream
4. @thedrjojo

Hartland
2. @UFprevet12
4. @Mad Jack
5. @WildZoo


Tanimura
3. @epivetlove
4. @VetAshley2117

The People's Palace
1. @kaydubs
3. @Frozenshades
5. @WhtsThFrequency

Altur'Rang
1. @StartingoverVet
3. @Flim Flam Man

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Underworld
WillowLeaf - Darken Rahl
hedgiehog - Citizen of Westland
Gwenevre - Dell Brandstone (Chase)
allieh8607 - Warren
tuckervet - Denna
Ashgirl - Zeddicus Zu'l Zorander
magbags - Jensen Rahl
dyachei - Nathan Rahl
swingnsave - Sister Verna
Chillbo Baggins - Rachel
Cyndia - Sister Ulicia
@devyn - Citizen of the Wilds
@98cats - Cara Mason
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I dunno.

I have tried to seer DVMD the last 3 nights, and I haven't been able to.

She is the last person I haven't looked at. Not sure if that is a coincidence or not...

I would like to hear what WTF has to say.
 
Mad Jack said:
In the series, a confessor is a gifted (can use magic) woman who at the slightest touch can turn any person into a mindless slave who does anything to please the confessor. The books actually describe it as a touch of Unconditional Love, in which the confessed forgets his/her past life and only wants to please his/her new mistress. (Even to the point that if the confessor wanted the person to die, the confessed would do it…scary.)
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Earlier in the game, we had that controversy over FFM's results on MJ not being magical. But then, FFM told me that Escalla had told him that there was a difference between people who were gifted with magic, and those who were creatures of magic. And FFM only finds the "gifted". Controversy ended, FFM is cleared.

But.... if that is true, why does MJ's role description excerpted above specifically say "gifted"? I would have thought that would mean FFM sees MJ as gifted.
 
Hypothetically, who do we think rojo would convert if he could not convert WTF or mad Jack?

SOV and I are not going to catch a wolf in the act of killing. DVMD potentially can.
 
Flim Flam Man said:
Hypothetically, who do we think rojo would convert if he could not convert WTF or mad Jack?

SOV and I are not going to catch a wolf in the act of killing. DVMD potentially can.
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How do you know he could not convert WTF?

I can only use my role once every 3 nights, I have made that very clear that I can't do it every night. I also just feel what the other player is feeling, it has the potential to kill me should the player I look into be killed that night. I also remain connected to that player during the day, so if they are lynched, then I will die with them. Or if I am lynched the person I connect with dies too.

I am not currently connected to anyone, so no one dies with me this day cycle.

And yes, I did think about connecting with rojo and having you guys lynch me the following day, but Escalla told me that I would not be able to get close enough to rojo in order to do that.

To add to this, I was also at risk of dying at any moment that MJ was lynched.

Sure, he could have converted me but it was a high risk to do so, especially with my high chances of dying when others were lynched, not just myself.

Anyway, I am going to a movie and won't be back until later.

I am honestly torn on who is/was converted or if there even was a conversion at all.
 
StartingoverVet said:
Earlier in the game, we had that controversy over FFM's results on MJ not being magical. But then, FFM told me that Escalla had told him that there was a difference between people who were gifted with magic, and those who were creatures of magic. And FFM only finds the "gifted". Controversy ended, FFM is cleared.

But.... if that is true, why does MJ's role description excerpted above specifically say "gifted"? I would have thought that would mean FFM sees MJ as gifted.
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Escalla later informed me that was a mistake on the part of Romo, which I'm sure she'd be willing to confirm in thread. I'd quote her directly myself, but when the whole gifted debate came up she sent me a some clarifying PMs:
Escalla: "Please disregard the word gifted in your role. I didn't catch that."
MJ: "Wait, so I can't use magic or I can?"
Escalla: "You can use magic."
MJ: "Oh, the word was just wrong? I was going to say, isn't gifted the term they use for the ability to use magic in like, some other fantasy series and not this one?"
Escalla: "The word gifted is in the series, but I didn't catch its use in your role description when I read through them. It's not the appropriate word for a confessor. Does that make sense though? Let me know if you're still confused. Confessors use magic but are not gifted. That's why I said to disregard that part."
 
DVMDream said:
How do you know he could not convert WTF?

I can only use my role once every 3 nights, I have made that very clear that I can't do it every night. I also just feel what the other player is feeling, it has the potential to kill me should the player I look into be killed that night. I also remain connected to that player during the day, so if they are lynched, then I will die with them. Or if I am lynched the person I connect with dies too.

I am not currently connected to anyone, so no one dies with me this day cycle.

And yes, I did think about connecting with rojo and having you guys lynch me the following day, but Escalla told me that I would not be able to get close enough to rojo in order to do that.

To add to this, I was also at risk of dying at any moment that MJ was lynched.

Sure, he could have converted me but it was a high risk to do so, especially with my high chances of dying when others were lynched, not just myself.

Anyway, I am going to a movie and won't be back until later.

I am honestly torn on who is/was converted or if there even was a conversion at all.
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I said hypothetically.

You are being purposely stupid again. This makes you wolfy in my book.

I certainly didn't know the ins and outs of your role. Maybe I would if people would stop blocking me when I have the frigging horse.
 
Flim Flam Man said:
I said hypothetically.

You are being purposely stupid again. This makes you wolfy in my book.

I certainly didn't know the ins and outs of your role. Maybe I would if people would stop blocking me when I have the frigging horse.
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What am I being stupid about?

I really need to not play ww when bad shart happens in real life, it distracts me a lot.

I'm sorry for being "stupid" but please elaborate because I really don't get what you are saying.
 
Official Lynch Tally

FFM 1 - MJ

Deadline 7 PM EST
 
DVMDream said:
What am I being stupid about?

I really need to not play ww when bad shart happens in real life, it distracts me a lot.

I'm sorry for being "stupid" but please elaborate because I really don't get what you are saying.
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When I start off by saying hypothetically, and you jump on me for assuming WTF can't be converted. I am throwing stuff out there to see how people react.

Personally, I won't be voting until I hear how WTF's night actions went.
 
Who hit him with agiel? This is extremely important to know. If no other villager hit him, it had to be rojo. Agiel blocks the user and the guy it hits, so if rojo hit him with it FFM can't be the wolf. If it was another villager, it's meaningless though.
 
thedrjojo said:
I think i'm causing more confusion by being helpful than I ever did while I was trolling
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******
Genius
Now to be really confusing and helpful, you should tell everyone who the other wolf is. That'll really throw them for a loop!
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I am going to do a stream of consciousness post. After skimming through stuff again I am just very confused. Don't take anything too much to heart, and if it is tl;dr, don't worry, it is more for my benefit than looking for answers..... this is my most effective way to come to a decision..

*The whole MJ thing still sticks in my caw. I just don't believe it. His role description talks about what happens when he is attacked but not if he is lynched. And 2 people? That seems way too powerful. And then the "mix-up" about the "gift"... why wouldn't he just post the correct way. I feel like he is lying, but to what end? A dead end but a frustrating one.

*DVMD comments are what deter me most from the MJ thing. But why would Escalla tell her she would be informed if she is not under the spell. In what world would that happen given MJ's role description. His death? Duh, I don't think DVMD would need to know that. But then, how would he even die then? His conversion? Um, I don't think Escalla is gonna tell someone when someone else is converted. This doesn't add up with MJ's description. MJ must be able to die before DVMD, but is that relevant.

*Isn't it strange how there is a wolf that can't be killed or blocked the whole game. And all the wolves can just hide while he allegedly does all the work. And all we have is 2 people (DVMD/WTF) who can see actions but not affiliations, so they are completely useless if the one wolf we know is doing everything. And then another seer (FFM) has absolutely nothing to add either. This is worse than the supernatural game where at least the info was useful put together. Here there is no use at all.

*WTF was definitely brought back by a good cat. She could be converted. Seems like she and DVMD have followed everyone and found nothing. Is that because it is all Jojo, jojo, jojo? Or are we being fed a load of BS? And is she impossible to be killed? She shouldn't be alive this late in the game if her role was useful. Do the wolves know she is useless, or has she been converted as well.

*FFM has the dodgiest role. I could even believe he was an original wolf. Those investigations aren't helpful at all. But then there MUST be conversions? right? ANd my gut has been telling me all game it is FFM, but every time I come up with something there is a reason to explain it away. Good alibi/good wolf? Innocent villager?

*Jojo is a wolf. Or is he? See this is where my paranoia sets in. I, (and everyone else) am assuming there are 2 wolves... jojo and someone else. First, it is possible there is no other wolves. Maybe we just need to lynch jojo. But with 6 people we can afford to wait a day. If there are 2 wolves then we can;t blow it, so this is a thought for tomorrow. BUT.... and this is why I mention my paranoia....What if jojo DOESN'T COUNT? We lynched him. Maybe he is dead, but because the whole veil between the dead has been ripped away (i am in book 2 now) he just is taunting us. That means that there could conceivably be TWO wolves. And if there are 2 people working together things make more sense. FFM and MJ? MJ and DVMD? WTF and DVMD? The possibilities are endless (ok... they're not: cue mr wolf of statistics). That would mean we have to get this lynch right. But if Jojo is not the one doing the killing and just taunting us then it has to be someone who has cleared activities, and that is WTF, but she is the least suspect before I started typing this.

Original wolf or Conversion?
Jojo one of the wolves or just a taunter?

I feel like Occam's razor says jojo is a normal wolf and we are looking for a conversion, but nothing adds up when I think that way. That leaves me with my paranoid ravings. I was just trying to think of Sherlock Holmes, when you have eliminated everything else, what remains is true (or whatever he says.. i paraphrase )... the problem is I eliminated nothing.

I thought for sure when I did this I would have my answer at the bottom.
:bang:

Now I wonder should I delete, or post. Well, everyone already knows I am border-line insane.....
Laugh away.
 
I keep on thinking of the book and how the confessor can only defend herself against one person. That doesn't fit with a lynch. But MJ insists he is not lying, and DVMD's info seems to corroborate that. But, for DVMD to be lying because she doesn't want to get lynched, MJ would also have to be lying. So they would both have to be wolves. Or MJ is just lying because he doesn't want to get lynched and DVMD is lying cause she is a wolf.

or DVMD is NOT lying. and MJ is NOT lying. But DVMD is telling the truth VERY STRONGLY because she really doesn't want MJ to get lynched because she is a .............well, it works either way.. a wolf or a villager.

This is a freaking waste of time.
 
SOV, I think after you typed all of that up you came to my same conclusion....

It could be anyone or it could just be rojo. But we can't afford trying to lynch rojo now if there is a convert, so that is tossed out. Now we are stuck with... it can be anyone, which is completely not at all helpful.
 
StartingoverVet said:
But DVMD is telling the truth VERY STRONGLY because she really doesn't want MJ to get lynched because she is a .............well, it works either way.. a wolf or a villager.

This is a freaking waste of time.
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I am VERY STRONGLY telling the truth about what Escalla said. I did not ask her to PM me when I lynched MJ, she just did. That was almost a week ago. I even stated on thread that Escalla PM'd me that back when it happened. This is a VERY STRONG truth. Whether you think it is wolfy or not, is up to you, but I promise you that is a truth.
 
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