Great Depression is a horrible time period. I can agree it's the worst economic collapse in history. But using that to say Hoover worse than Nixon when Nixon led the country to economic chaos and a lot of other bad stuff is what i disagree. Hoover was even condemned as a socialist in the link i provided.
After more than half a century, images of the Great Depression remain firmly etched in the American psyche: breadlines, soup kitchens, tin-can shanties and tar-paper shacks known as "Hoovervilles," penniless men and women selling apples on street corners, and gray battalions of Arkies and Okies packed into Model A Fords heading to California.
The collapse was staggering in its dimensions. Unemployment jumped from less than 3 million in 1929 to 4 million in 1930, to 8 million in 1931, and to 12 1/2 million in 1932. In that year, a quarter of the nation's families did not have a single employed wage earner. Even those fortunate enough to have jobs suffered drastic pay cuts and reductions in working hours. Only one company in ten failed to cut pay, and in 1932, three-quarters of all workers were on part-time schedules, averaging just 60 percent of the normal work week.
The economic collapse was terrifying in its scope and impact. By 1933, average family income had tumbled 40 percent, from $2,300 in 1929 to just $1,500 four years later. In the Pennsylvania coal fields, three or four families crowded together in one-room shacks and lived on wild weeds. In Arkansas, families were found inhabiting caves. In Oakland, California, whole families lived in sewer pipes.
Vagrancy shot up as many families were evicted from their homes for nonpayment of rent. The Southern Pacific Railroad boasted that it threw 683,000 vagrants off its trains in 1931. Free public flophouses and missions in Los Angeles provided beds for 200,000 of the uprooted.
To save money, families neglected medical and dental care. Many families sought to cope by planting gardens, canning food, buying used bread, and using cardboard and cotton for shoe soles. Despite a steep decline in food prices, many families did without milk or meat. In New York City, milk consumption declined by a million gallons a day.
President Herbert Hoover declared, "Nobody is actually starving. The hoboes are better fed than they have ever been." But in New York City in 1931, there were 20 known cases of starvation; in 1934, there were 110 deaths caused by hunger. There were so many accounts of people starving in New York that the West African nation of Cameroon sent $3.77 in relief.
The Depression had a powerful impact on families. It forced couples to delay marriage and drove the birthrate below the replacement level for the first time in American history. The divorce rate fell, for the simple fact that many couples could not afford to maintain separate households or to pay legal fees. Still, rates of desertion soared. By 1940, there were 1.5 million married women living apart from their husbands. More than 200,000 vagrant children wandered the country as a result of the break-up of their families.
The Depression inflicted a heavy psychological toll on jobless men. With no wages to punctuate their ability, many men lost power as primary decision makers. Large numbers of men lost self-respect, became immobilized and stopped looking for work, while others turned to alcohol or became self-destructive or abusive to their families.
In contrast to men, many women saw their status rise during the Depression. To supplement the family income, married women entered the work force in large numbers. Although most women worked in menial occupations, the fact that they were employed and bringing home paychecks elevated their position within the family and gave them a say in family decisions.
Despite the hardships it inflicted, the Great Depression drew some families closer together. As one observer noted: "Many a family has lost its automobile and found its soul." Families had to devise strategies for getting through hard times because their survival depended on it. They pooled their incomes, moved in with relatives in order to cut expenses, bought day-old bread, and did without. Many families drew comfort from their religion, sustained by the hope things would turn out well in the end; others placed their faith in themselves, in their own dogged determination to survive that so impressed observers like Woody Guthrie. Many Americans, however, no longer believed that the problems could be solved by people acting alone or through voluntary associations. Increasingly, they looked to the federal government for help.
You know he visited China and met with Mao, right? Nixon was a turd, and Mao was an even bigger turd, but peeling China away from the Soviets was one of the pivotal events of the Cold War.
You know he visited China and met with Mao, right? Nixon was a turd, and Mao was an even bigger turd, but peeling China away from the Soviets was one of the pivotal events of the Cold War.
I really not quite sure what to say to that, but here goes. He pulled a rising power away from the Soviet sphere of influence, a few years after Khrushchev said he'd bury us, after they invaded Czechoslovakia, and while Brezhnev Doctrine was tightening the noose on their eastern European satellite slave nations. Calling it a "bad move" because our relations with China are a bit strained 50 years later is not something I'd agree with. Even a little bit. And I'm a card-carrying member of the "**** China" club.
How receptive do you think the USSR would have been at the Moscow Summit (May 1972) if Nixon hadn't just left his meeting with Mao (Feb 1972)? None of this stuff happens in a vacuum.
I really not quite sure what to say to that, but here goes. He pulled a rising power away from the Soviet sphere of influence, a few years after Khrushchev said he'd bury us, after they invaded Czechoslovakia, and while Brezhnev Doctrine was tightening the noose on their eastern European satellite slave nations. Calling it a "bad move" because our relations with China are a bit strained 50 years later is not something I'd agree with. Even a little bit. And I'm a card-carrying member of the "**** China" club.
How receptive do you think the USSR would have been at the Moscow Summit (May 1972) if Nixon hadn't just left his meeting with Mao (Feb 1972)? None of this stuff happens in a vacuum.
I agree exploiting the China-USSR split was important and that was known for a while. But approaching it by recognizing and legitimizing the Mao regime given their murderous actions was a bad way to go about it, especially when Nixon used a place like Pakistan to push ties with Mao. If Mao was dead and another leader took over, opening up to them would've been a lot better. Also that visit set the stage of US giving up its recognition of Taiwan which i found completely absurd, but i'll blame it on Carter for letting that happen.
In under two weeks, Wuhan has collected more than 9 million samples and tested 6.5 million residents for the coronavirus in a sweeping new citywide initiative.
The plan to reopen the industry, prepared by the organisation ProKoRe, suggests that sex positions which allow for a safe distance between faces are advisable.
The plan to reopen the industry, prepared by the organisation ProKoRe, suggests that sex positions which allow for a safe distance between faces are advisable.
The plan to reopen the industry, prepared by the organisation ProKoRe, suggests that sex positions which allow for a safe distance between faces are advisable.
Plus: the weird new battle lines on warrantless surveillance, more CDC incompetence, Minneapolis on fire, and more…
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Absolutely hilarious (and terrifying) watching right-wing pundits talk about the descent towards communism/dictatorship because of having to wear masks while their overlord continues to peel back our constitutional rights.
Plus: the weird new battle lines on warrantless surveillance, more CDC incompetence, Minneapolis on fire, and more…
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Absolutely hilarious (and terrifying) watching right-wing pundits talk about the descent towards communism/dictatorship because of having to wear masks while their overlord continues to peel back our constitutional rights.
The best part is Trump, his wife, his daughter, and his sycophantic Orwellian press secretary have all voted by mail numerous times. The ironic part is that banning voting by mail probably hurts the GOP just as much because old people love voting by mail and obviously a lot of old people are registered repub.
I think at this point Trump is trying everything he can to NOT get reelected....but it's all backfiring and his fanbase is only becoming more fanatasized and he doesnt know what to do.
Folks are literally up in arms over being told to stay at home for their won safety. One can only imagine what a landslide loss or worse, a close victory for Biden, would lead to.
Donald Trump is expected to use a proclamation and new regulations to restrict H-1B visa holders, international students and others.
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Guess trump and the administration are at least over the pretense that he's not a xenophobic piece of sht. It's actually a bit refreshing that they're just coming out and saying it nowadays.
e: actually let's be real. they'll maintain the pretense that H1b drives down salaries for skilled workers like software engineers, but instead of actually making employers follow the law and pay their H1bs a comparable salary, they'll use it as another excuse to prevent more brown people from coming to this country
Donald Trump is expected to use a proclamation and new regulations to restrict H-1B visa holders, international students and others.
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Guess trump and the administration are at least over the pretense that he's not a xenophobic piece of sht. It's actually a bit refreshing that they're just coming out and saying it nowadays.
CNN reporter live on the air, he and his crew standing where the MN SP told them to stand. SP comes up to them and reporter respectfully tells them that they'll move to wherever the SP needs them to move. SP arrests him and his crew anyway without explanation.
CNN reporter live on the air, he and his crew standing where the MN SP told them to stand. SP comes up to them and reporter respectfully tells them that they'll move to wherever the SP needs them to move. SP arrests him and his crew anyway without explanation.
State of America. Well... I know my place in this society.
I would like to see what kind of force black and brown people would be met with if they dressed in camo, bullet proof vests and machine guns for a peaceful protest.
People are fed up with this brutality and innocent people or petty criminals being gunned down or brutalized for absolutely asinine reasons.
I need to find a protest this weekend.
Let’s see if these cops get arrested and convicted and given the sentence this cop got.
He didn’t suffocate a man for ten minutes either. He was just too quick with his draw.
Guess trump and the administration are at least over the pretense that he's not a xenophobic piece of sht. It's actually a bit refreshing that they're just coming out and saying it nowadays.
e: actually let's be real. they'll maintain the pretense that H1b drives down salaries for skilled workers like software engineers, but instead of actually making employers follow the law and pay their H1bs a comparable salary, they'll use it as another excuse to prevent more brown people from coming to this country
We have enough white, black, brown and yellow people. Not enough blue people, hence the federal government doesn't want us to isolate and wear masks for the coronavirus.
We are not law enforcement (much more prone to abuse, power corrupts). Law enforcement needs proper civilian oversight, like the military. And their unions should be outlawed.
Folks are literally up in arms over being told to stay at home for their won safety. One can only imagine what a landslide loss or worse, a close victory for Biden, would lead to.
I just can't muster any concern for what the right will do if Trump loses.
In the grand scheme of things, they're not the type that riot when they're upset. That guy with the "**** Your Feelings" T-shirt and the CPAP dents on his face isn't going to waddle into Target, get on a complimentary mobility scooter, and burn donuts in the sporting goods department.
Rural conservatives are not going to stage some kind of "quasi-uprising" if they lose the 2020 presidential election. They'll do the same things they did when their side lost the 2008 and 2012 presidential elections - froth and mope for 2 years, then win large(r) majorities in the legislature.
I just can't muster any concern for what the right will do if Trump loses.
In the grand scheme of things, they're not the type that riot when they're upset. That guy with the "**** Your Feelings" T-shirt and the CPAP dents on his face isn't going to waddle into Target, get on a complimentary mobility scooter, and burn donuts in the sporting goods department.
Rural conservatives are not going to stage some kind of "quasi-uprising" if they lose the 2020 presidential election. They'll do the same things they did when their side lost the 2008 and 2012 presidential elections - froth and mope for 2 years, then win large(r) majorities in the legislature.
I’m not worried about the “**** your feelings cpap “ guy, either. I’m worried about the “played too much CoD, spent too much time on 4chan, and bought a bushmaster and now I’m gonna show up at the Virginia/Michigan/Kentucky etc state capitol in November 2020 with an abundance of ignorance and a dearth of trigger discipline” guy
I’m not worried about the “**** your feelings cpap “ guy, either. I’m worried about the “played too much CoD, spent too much time on 4chan, and bought a bushmaster and now I’m gonna show up at the Virginia/Michigan/Kentucky etc state capitol in November 2020 with an abundance of ignorance and a dearth of trigger discipline” guy
Like all the Virginia protesters who showed up, many openly armed, to peacefully protest the dozens of gun control laws they tried to pass this year? No one hurt, no property damaged, trash pickup scheduled into the rallies. The governor was so, so worried about the inevitable bloodshed and riots and vandalism. Contrast with the conduct of OWS or Antifa ... no, I'm not too worried about rural MAGA hat conservatives burning buildings or beating bystanders. It's not their MO.
The beardbro cosplayers you refer to are as likely to put a ND through their own buddy's foot as they are to lead the "quasi-uprising" that could scarcely be "imagined" in the posts I was replying to. The closest thing we've seen to that were the Branch Dildonians and their criminal commandeering of a wildlife refuge, and they were widely scorned and mocked by both sides, and look how that ended.
There'll be lone loonies like the guys who shot Reps Giffords or Scalise, or the guy with the car at Charlottesville.
You know what's going to happen in ~8 months? Either Trump will be sworn in for a second term, or there'll be a peaceful transition of power.
Like all the Virginia protesters who showed up, many openly armed, to peacefully protest the dozens of gun control laws they tried to pass this year? No one hurt, no property damaged, trash pickup scheduled into the rallies. The governor was so, so worried about the inevitable bloodshed and riots and vandalism. Contrast with the conduct of OWS or Antifa ... no, I'm not too worried about rural MAGA hat conservatives burning buildings or beating bystanders. It's not their MO.
The beardbro cosplayers you refer to are as likely to put a ND through their own buddy's foot as they are to lead the "quasi-uprising" that could scarcely be "imagined" in the posts I was replying to. The closest thing we've seen to that were the Branch Dildonians and their criminal commandeering of a wildlife refuge, and they were widely scorned and mocked by both sides, and look how that ended.
There'll be lone loonies like the guys who shot Reps Giffords or Scalise, or the guy with the car at Charlottesville.
You know what's going to happen in ~8 months? Either Trump will be sworn in for a second term, or there'll be a peaceful transition of power.
Way to be results-oriented with that kind of "no one got hurt" thinking. We get it, you have the right to demonstrate and open carry, but showing up armed en masse to traditionally gun-free zones like schools and government buildings is stupid, reckless, raises tensions needlessly, and ultimately hardens the positions of anti gun people. I don't plan on turning in my M4 anytime soon, but if there was a vote coming up on a bill then I think I would have to have brain damage to think bringing my loaded firearm to the Capitol is a good idea.
To clarify, I'm not worried about some truly widespread MAGA quasi-uprising either. I'm worried about somewhat-more-than-sporadic rightwing violence. It's funny you bring up antifa (mostly nonviolent people counterprotesting neonazi rallies) though as the example of destruction and violence, when as far as I know the vast, vast majority of politically motivated murders in the last couple decades have been committed by the right wing. Allll of these are always conveniently lone loonies even though they mostly share the same ideology...
In other somewhat related news, the doctors lounge today was tuned to CNN.
My mouth dropped open as I am so used to all the squealing and fighting of Fox News.
Seems like the old White guys wouldn’t let it last though. After lunch it was back to good old boys club, Fox News. It lasted a whole Half day!
The police do have a history of corruption and racism in this country.
I can’t really think of a comparable profession. Now I likely think more systemic changes need to happen other than more book education required, but clearly more accountability is needed.
showing up armed en masse to traditionally gun-free zones like schools and government buildings is stupid, reckless, raises tensions needlessly, and ultimately hardens the positions of anti gun people.
It's counterproductive sometimes - it sure was when the Black Panthers tried peacefully demonstrating while armed in Sacramento.
Not lately though - the majority of the anti-gun bills in Virginia got shelved for next year because of those protests. Protests where no laws were broken and no property was damaged.
Then you're in agreement with my disagreement with the posts from MedicMike and Ronin786, that started our latest round of hairsplitting and whatabouting? 🙂
I'm worried about somewhat-more-than-sporadic rightwing violence. It's funny you bring up antifa (mostly nonviolent people counterprotesting neonazi rallies) though as the example of destruction and violence, when as far as I know the vast, vast majority of politically motivated murders in the last couple decades have been committed by the right wing. Allll of these are always conveniently lone loonies even though they mostly share the same ideology...
The police do have a history of corruption and racism in this country.
I can’t really think of a comparable profession. Now I likely think more systemic changes need to happen other than more book education required, but clearly more accountability is needed.
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