There's a WW in Michigan Game Thread

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Also, fern, wtf? Why are you killing Santa?!

 

[LyraGardenia]

Sorry I haven’t been on in a while.

Fern hasn’t been too too involved in this game, so it’s really hard for me to read her.

Canada is supposed to be friendly but Lyra still hasn’t PM’d me

Gotta go my gut here and

Lynch Lyra

Lame reasoning is lame, I just don't have anything to say. I'm not generally big on PM-ing in games since in the first few I played it wasn't allowed.

Lynch BBC/Fern for self-preservation, and I'm pretty sure her post that Coop being blocked was pretty damning started the bandwagon there. I'm still village, don't really have anything else to say there. I haven't done squat other than give out restrictions. (Also tbh I'm not sure I've ever lived this long in a game, it's a busy time of year, so this is low on my priority list)

 

[LyraGardenia]

Also, fern, wtf? Why are you killing Santa?!

Looks like she got the restriction to mention Santa in every post, but the darkness is all her addition.

 

[DVMDream]

Lame reasoning is lame, I just don't have anything to say. I'm not generally big on PM-ing in games since in the first few I played it wasn't allowed.

Lynch BBC/Fern for self-preservation, and I'm pretty sure her post that Coop being blocked was pretty damning started the bandwagon there. I'm still village, don't really have anything else to say there. I haven't done squat other than give out restrictions. (Also tbh I'm not sure I've ever lived this long in a game, it's a busy time of year, so this is low on my priority list)

I'm pretty sure it was kata that said coop was blocked.

 

[vetmedhead]

Hey everyone, sorry for ghosting thread so hard these past couple days. I had a killer headache that made keeping up difficult. I'll be combing back through everything and posting my thoughts as I get through them, but be forewarned I'll be a little slow at it since it's Christmas Eve

 

[LyraGardenia]

I'm pretty sure it was kata that said coop was blocked.

She said it first, but Fern was the first to respond to that voting for Coop. I know I was next, so not great reasoning, but my thought process was kind of "Oh, okay, if they both think this means Coop must be a wolf, I'm willing to test that."

 

[Animal Midwife]

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The Dead's D9 Lynch Tally

jboo (2) - DVMD, 3m
bbc/fern (4) - kcough, jil, mixy, Lyra
Lyra (4) - sporty, jboo, cowgirl, bbc

Missing: @vetmedhead

10/11
Lynch End in 23 hours

@Karabiner13

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[DVMDream]

She said it first, but Fern was the first to respond to that voting for Coop. I know I was next, so not great reasoning, but my thought process was kind of "Oh, okay, if they both think this means Coop must be a wolf, I'm willing to test that."

But that's not what you said. You said "I'm sure fern's post about coop being blocked was damning." Not "fern's vote to kata's post was damning." Which really still doesn't make sense everyone is free to make their own interpretation.

 

[DVMDream]

And why the **** are people afraid to lynch jboo?

 

[Skimble]

And why the **** are people afraid to lynch jboo?

I’m not afraid, I’m just not sure he is an original.

 

[DVMDream]

I’m not afraid, I’m just not sure he is an original.

Who the eff cares about which order we lynch them in. If you think it is or may be wolfy, lynch it. Not to mention, we don't know exactly what we're looking for. We think an original and a convert but there's that possibility we're wrong.

 

[SportPonies]

And why the **** are people afraid to lynch jboo?

I'm a bit lost over why you want to lynch her. But I'm willing to consider it!

 

[DVMDream]

I'm a bit lost over why you want to lynch her. But I'm willing to consider it!

I've been over why she's suspicious all of yesterday.

 

[WildZoo]

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The Dead's D9 Lynch Tally

jboo (2) - DVMD, 3m
bbc/fern (4) - kcough, jil, mixy, Lyra
Lyra (4) - sporty, jboo, cowgirl, bbc

Missing: @vetmedhead

10/11
Lynch End in 23 hours

@Karabiner13

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-1 mod point for not celebrating the tie

 

[jaboo]

I've been over why she's suspicious all of yesterday.

Not sure why I’m the one you’ve been most adamant about lynching this whole game. I don’t recall you aggressively pressuring anyone who flipped wolf.

I mean, at this point, whatever. It’ll just be another step to the wolves killing everyone. Dead chat sounds a lot more fun than this.

 

[MixedAnimals77]

@johnnaboo I take it you can only move people when lynch/wolf action closes?

 

[vetmedhead]

Mass catch up incoming. Buckle your seatbelts kids

The ability was sketch, but it’s also not how she presented the ability at first. I spoke to snowy and AM about this, which is why AM said something about wanting me to vote paws with her. The role name sounded legit, especially after boo revealed last night. I did sort of defend paws. Last night I said I didn’t think lynching her wouldn’t net a wolf. Yes, I should have seen through it, but I believed the role name, stupidly, just like you believed dy was village.

So a lot of jil's posts have been throwing me off this game and I feel like there are just some subtle things going on here that are tripping me up. It feels weird to me to specifically pull out examples where other players maybe had the wool pulled over their eyes as an excuse for why your lack of suspicion about a somewhat suspicious role claim is apparently no big deal and not suspicious at all.

I was around this morning, just came back. I admit I’m kind of skeptical about all of this at the moment. Coop being blocked and there being no kill does sound like the most likely explanation. There is another possibility, which I admit isn’t my idea, but what if the wolves tried to kill coop and couldn’t because she had been “wisked away”?

So wait... you have more than one ability?

There have also been a lot of posts where I almost feel like jil is being willfully obtuse, especially for a more seasoned player. Things like the above where I feel it's relatively clear there are some behind the scenes things going on but this is the line of questioning she picks

So I’ve been trying to keep track of players I don’t think are wolves along with reasons why. Currently VMH, 3m, fern and DVMD are the only ones I don’t have anything written down for as to why they likely aren’t originals. I’d be happy to change my vote to any of them, especially if anyone else has reason to believe they are suspect. My feelings about boo are she’s likely not an original, but I’m not counting out a convert.

Again, willfully obtuse, because I feel it's fairly clear I'm not an original and several other players have picked up on this or outright telegraphed it on thread

Looking at my little spreadsheet again, I may have reason to think VMH is village. This leaves 3m and fern as potential originals.

I only just started the spreadsheet because I keep forgetting why I had people cleared. I usually also fly by my coattails. Looks like kata was a jailer though.

Also, the reason I had VMH soft cleared was wrong, so she’s back to being a potential original.

Like what on earth is going on in your spreadsheet lol

So what is your theory for the no kill? (Btw you are firmly village in my eyes)

pocketing sporty so hard she's putting her in that teeny change pocket that's hard to fit stuff into

I admit a lot of this is a tunnel but these posts have been weirding me out. For someone who pays attention and keeps a spreadsheet I feel like jil has been missing a lot of things she shouldn't be and it makes me feel like she's intentionally trying to seem more out of the loop than she is since wolves often get caught for having the opposite problem

 

[vetmedhead]

Okay, can y'all get off my back now that we know two wolves were Michigan things?? (Although I don't know what "Michigan Left" is) I'll have to read through the past couple of days to decide where to place my vote tomorrow.

The point isn't that some of the wolves were Michigan things, the problem is that to my knowledge thus far the only players that weren't Michigan things were wolves.

 

[vetmedhead]

She might have tried to interact with me but as I don't have an ability and am not dead I'm going to imagine I didn't get a notification. Wolves don't interact with each other unless using abilities on each other and I have no idea why a wolf would try to redirect another wolf.

Wolves can sometimes do this to gain street cred later in the game, especially if one of the wolves has a hella suspicious ability or one that has definitely been used in a sketchy af way. That wolf is almost always lynched earlier than the other wolves and in late game the other wolves can point around and say "look, I was redirected by that no good dirty wolf earlier so I'm definitely not a wolf!!!!". Another bonus of being redirected is that the wolves are all in a PM together, they could all decide who to redirect an ability to anyway so the player practically wasn't redirected at all. This is all essentially a moot point at this stage (I did read far enough ahead to see how your lynch turned out lol), but just something I'd like to point out.

 

[vetmedhead]

When I was blocked from PMing at night it blocked my action too, apparently mod PMs count as well.

Odd, when I was blocked from PMing... I was able to use my item and PM with the mods just fine. Was only told I couldn't PM with others which is totally cool with me. 🙂

Probably, assuming the other wolf was around.


Weird... maybe there was some other reason my restriction didn't go through that night, but I got the same PM about how I was whisked away on a ferry eating fudge and too far away to communicate.

ETA: I just double checked my PMs, it specifically said "For this reason, your action could not be completed."

Did we ever sort out this PMing business? I still feel like there are some fishy inconsistencies here, especially because of kcough's post later

FYI FTB had already used the hand map on me and discovered I was from the LP. I also resurrected you (well, LIS, but yanno).

I now have reason to think Jil is not original. Which leaves my original list down to DVMD (though if from the UP maybe less likely), SP, 3M, and BBC.

Lynch BBC

And if you all want to hear my theory about Lyra: Last night I was abruptly told to stop PMing. I later got the full ferry block message. I clarified with mods that I could still PM with them just not other people (was confirmed). I had a "eureka!" moment because I thought I'd remembered someone saying the block also blocked them from PMing the mods. My thought was a wolf would have to stop PMing mods because the other wolf players are in the same chat window. I went and looked for the post and it was Lyra saying she thinks it blocked her PM to the mods because her action didn't go through. Now of course we know it wouldn't have gone through because it was a full block/protect via katachomps. So my eureka moment was possibly not quite as exciting as I thought it was.

I PMed all of this to BBC after the night ended and haven't heard from her since.

Here's my thing: we don't know the order of operations of a block vs a night kill. You very well could have been blocked by kata the same night she was killed in which case this means Lyra's block PM still doesn't match anyone else's.

Also, was the reason to think jil is clean a good reason? I'm willing to believe she's not an original but her posts as of late have been driving my wolfdar up the wall.

 

[vetmedhead]

I got the hand map prompt last night. I used it on Coop. It returned with an error, so that wasn't really helpful.

Snow is nature's glitter.

Has anyone else had this item error out? Seems weird to me that this is the first time (that I remember) it has errored out on someone(it's been in play a while and if this is an RNG thing RNG is rarely this kind). I know sometime items get certain fail rates for wolves and this message makes me wonder.

 

[vetmedhead]

I'm starting to feel a little unsure about the Coop lynch...based on her killing dy she'd probably have to be the convert (day kill of a wolf killing a wolf seems like a bad move). And her being the convert doesn't fit with cowgirls ask a mod timeline, right?

I don't remember why I quoted this. Maybe I thought it felt a little like a wolf coming late-ish to a lynch to voice concerns about it to gain cred later? idk

Fair enough. I’ve never been a wolf, so outsiders view 😛

This just screams

to me

 

[vetmedhead]

I think if there was post-death abilities Mixed/Pip would have mentioned it after being resurrected.

Dead chat is different than dead role. Role should have been in place from D1, since it is a major part of the game. If dead have a role only during part of the game, I have only ever seen it be the beginning.

Not necessarily, I know plenty of mods who wouldn't give the dead roles until all resurrections possible in the game have been completed.

 

[vetmedhead]

Do converted wolves typically keep their abilities or not? Bc you guys can see that I still have mine. I moved Mixey last night.

They normally keep abilities.

Depends on mod and ability and game theme. Sometimes converts get new roles entirely, sometimes lose their original ability or ability is nerfed, etc. Weird that fern is so confident that they normally keep them, as in my experience that's not really true

 

[DVMDream]

Mass catch up incoming. Buckle your seatbelts kids


So a lot of jil's posts have been throwing me off this game and I feel like there are just some subtle things going on here that are tripping me up. It feels weird to me to specifically pull out examples where other players maybe had the wool pulled over their eyes as an excuse for why your lack of suspicion about a somewhat suspicious role claim is apparently no big deal and not suspicious at all.


There have also been a lot of posts where I almost feel like jil is being willfully obtuse, especially for a more seasoned player. Things like the above where I feel it's relatively clear there are some behind the scenes things going on but this is the line of questioning she picks


Again, willfully obtuse, because I feel it's fairly clear I'm not an original and several other players have picked up on this or outright telegraphed it on thread




Like what on earth is going on in your spreadsheet lol

pocketing sporty so hard she's putting her in that teeny change pocket that's hard to fit stuff into

I admit a lot of this is a tunnel but these posts have been weirding me out. For someone who pays attention and keeps a spreadsheet I feel like jil has been missing a lot of things she shouldn't be and it makes me feel like she's intentionally trying to seem more out of the loop than she is since wolves often get caught for having the opposite problem

Meh I had zero information about you until today, so I don't find it that weird that she didn't pick up on subtle things. I thought that was all jboo's roll and now that I know it isn't, jboo has shot up super high on the sketch pole.

 

[vetmedhead]

There is one key reason I am hesitant to lynch Jboo, so I am not voting this way for now.

but not a good enough reason to share and spare someone you think may be village?

Paging @vetmedhead .

We've been PMing all game, so she can give you an idea of my gameplay.

We have been PMing all game and I still feel jboo is village. I think noob wolves especially try to kill old PM partners in case things get fishy (or move them) and she would have been more than able to talk wolf pack into a me kill soon after her conversion I think. At the very least given her ability to move players (and her demonstrated continued ability to do so) I imagine she would have at the very least moved me away from a PM with her.

Either that or she's an amazing super wolf and she's got me snowed, in which case all power to her and she's been doing a great job lol

Oh FFS I'm not that bad of a player. I'm not going to continue this for the same reason I'm not sharing in the first place: I think sharing will hurt village. If you are so determined to have me publicly broadcast it I could very well be placing my lynch vote on you tomorrow since pushing it is sketchy as all hell.

The bolded is like the opposite of WW 101, sharing always helps village (yes, yes, I know only a Sith deals in absolutes). The number of scenarios in which sharing is bad for village is so small it's almost baffling to even think about

Doing this bc I would really like to net a wolf today.

VMH told me about dy/Teep and about Paws/Coop. She was right about dy and the Paws/Coop thing. I misinterpreted the latter and that's my fault (other than the Paws part). Paws kinda dug her own grave towards the end of lynch, making it clear that VMH was right. I don't think VMH is a wolf. I don't know if this info is coming for her or from someone else, but it somehow made its way to me.

lol

 

[vetmedhead]

I would definitely like to hear more from VMH, feel like she's be skating by in the background too much.

Also want to look into coops sketch list due to reasons stated earlier.

Sent from my phone using the mobile app because I bought it and I'm stubborn

Did anyone actually dig up coop's old sketch list? I didn't see it in my read through so far so if I don't find it I'm going to dig it up and look through it again

Well, that answers that question about the no kill night. Back to the drawing board then... has @vetmedhead been around at all the past couple days??

No, last I heard from her was Friday

I died, sorry. 🙁

Also, find it a little off that Lyra's first response to wolf hunting after the coop lynch is to immediately bring up a player who was relatively absent and may not be around much to defend. I'm putting that on the back burner for now though

Thinking VMH might be our convert. Jboo could be original.

Not sure why sporty spice is off people's list of potential originals or DVMD. Finally I could also see Jil being original.

I thought I caught something on Lyra's posts last night. Think I over interpreted it though. Shared with BBC so if she thinks it's something will share later. I'm not convinced at this point.

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What is it that set you off about Lyra?

Lame reasoning is lame, I just don't have anything to say. I'm not generally big on PM-ing in games since in the first few I played it wasn't allowed.

Lynch BBC/Fern for self-preservation, and I'm pretty sure her post that Coop being blocked was pretty damning started the bandwagon there. I'm still village, don't really have anything else to say there. I haven't done squat other than give out restrictions. (Also tbh I'm not sure I've ever lived this long in a game, it's a busy time of year, so this is low on my priority list)

To quote you yourself, lame reasoning is lame. There are better reasons to find fern suspicious (I pointed a few out earlier), but I feel like that particular reason isn't a great one.

Also, I have a theory for why you've lived this long in this game!

She said it first, but Fern was the first to respond to that voting for Coop. I know I was next, so not great reasoning, but my thought process was kind of "Oh, okay, if they both think this means Coop must be a wolf, I'm willing to test that."

Right, but you could have just as easily (and likely would have) come to the same conclusion from kata's post alone.

 

[vetmedhead]

@kcoughli Going back I see all that now. I was on mobile all day yesterday and when I used hand map so no real opportunity for me to go back without trudging through everything.
The following is from a wolf's perspective which might help someone...

So that leaves 2 of which are wolves, my reads currently
DVMD-gives lots of theories which is good, didn't lynch coop
KC-village claim inclined to believe
Cowgirl-village based on Mel/Pip/Cowgirl situation she stayed true to lynching Mel
Jil-not much here for me to decide one way or another
Fern- similar to VMH below, waffled off wolf votes previous in game
SP-village per previous game play and lynching
VMH- hasn't been around much, doesn't seem to out anyone
Jboo- lots of vague knowledge
Lyra-village because nobody hates Canada
3m-village, because of no lynch yesterday

Is the mod killing of slacking players still a thing? VMH has been MIA for a few days eventhough they've been on, knew they had a headache at one point...
3m didn't lynch, but was on and backed off Coop, not saying should be mod killed but didn't lynch which is interesting (more inclined to think village though with this).


What all did they say and when did VMH speak to this dy/Teep and Paws/Coop stuff?
Will be taking into consideration the rest of today's discussion as I need more info before lynching.

I don't understand the reasoning above. A lot of your reasoning for placing people into village or scum categories are silly or looking into a runaway bandwagon lynch way too hard. Also, saying I haven't seemed to out anyone is

On another note VMH was just on other threads earlier today, but failed to at least check in here today.

I also would like to point out that WW threads take a ton of mental effort and time to catch up on and me being around on other easier threads on SDN doesn't mean much in terms of my wolfiness or villagerness. Would it surprise you to know I still checked into my mod PM several times while I wasn't posting on thread? I am usually a very present player and I feel bad for falling off thread so much these past few days but real life happens sometimes and this was a little much in terms of prolonged concentrated effort for me for the past few days.

 

[vetmedhead]

I'm not against that at this point. My thoughts are if boo is woof she'd be original with VMH convert.

I can't really justify why else VMH is still alive at this point. Unless of course that's the point and wifom.

But I know nothing of BBC other than she may have been pocketing me early game which made me think villager.

Sent from my phone using the mobile app because I bought it and I'm stubborn

I can't justify why I'm still alive either and I think that might be the point. I get notoriously frustrated in end game, hate playing end game, and normally flounder hard in end game and I've been kept alive until late in the game plenty of times I think almost specifically because of the above and because it makes me an easy lynch later on. This literally happened to me in the last game I played lol.

Also, why does pocketing make you think villager? It almost always makes me think the opposite.

 

[vetmedhead]

Someone smarter than me needs to look at this and tell me if they can make heads or tails out of it. A painted turtle (apparently an item) brought me this gif, and I ????

Sorry, this was from me. There's not some secret hidden message about Leonardo DiCaprio or pigtails, I just wanted to send you a ridiculous gif and this one made me laugh the most.

 

[vetmedhead]

Not sure why I’m the one you’ve been most adamant about lynching this whole game. I don’t recall you aggressively pressuring anyone who flipped wolf.

I mean, at this point, whatever. It’ll just be another step to the wolves killing everyone. Dead chat sounds a lot more fun than this.

If you freak out and call anyone names I might officially turn in the paperwork to legally adopt you as my noob

 

[MixedAnimals77]

Has anyone else had this item error out? Seems weird to me that this is the first time (that I remember) it has errored out on someone(it's been in play a while and if this is an RNG thing RNG is rarely this kind). I know sometimes items get certain fail rates for wolves and this message makes me wonder.

It seems anything that is not a place on land in Michigan ends up being an error. I used it on Mel who was Lake Ontario and it was error. Canada isn't in MI so makes sense why that was error. Used on KC and returned LP and DVMD UP. It was used on Coop who wasn't a place in MI and also was on a boat at the time and hand map returned error so unsure if it was the boat or her role that made it error or would have been error regardless.

Also I know none of my reasoning makes much sense. I'm still learning and at this point I'm kind of lost as to where to go. Depending who flips after lynch, or if we get more info on game mechanics later I may have more of an idea of where to go. No one is off the possible lynch block for me. From Pms with jboo previously I am inclined to think they're probably village, based on that and some of your responses to things I lean towards thinking you're also probably village. I knew you had a terrible headache and know life gets in the way you just hadn't at least checked in and been like hey still alive was my only thing, but here you are and hoping you're feeling better!

 

[KCgophervet]

I can't justify why I'm still alive either and I think that might be the point. I get notoriously frustrated in end game, hate playing end game, and normally flounder hard in end game and I've been kept alive until late in the game plenty of times I think almost specifically because of the above and because it makes me an easy lynch later on. This literally happened to me in the last game I played lol.

Also, why does pocketing make you think villager? It almost always makes me think the opposite.

Pocketing is an interesting play because basically you're agreeing with someone. And you tend to think people who are agreeing with you are on your team. It's more of a sub conscious thing than overt. It's only later that you realize, hey all that similar thought processes may have actually had a nefarious origin.

Sent from my phone using the mobile app because I bought it and I'm stubborn

 

[KCgophervet]

Meh I had zero information about you until today, so I don't find it that weird that she didn't pick up on subtle things. I thought that was all jboo's roll and now that I know it isn't, jboo has shot up super high on the sketch pole.

Jboo claimed being the one moving people around a few days ago I think (yesterday maybe?).

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[DVMDream]

Jboo claimed being the one moving people around a few days ago I think (yesterday maybe?).

Sent from my phone using the mobile app because I bought it and I'm stubborn

It wasn't until recently. I wouldn't have thought the above otherwise

 

[TheGirlWithTheFernTattoo]

It wasn't until recently. I wouldn't have thought the above otherwise

It was long enough ago that your not picking up on the whole situation was very weird.

Per some stuff that Jil shared with me I am not lynching you, but I think you missed a fairly obvious thing in the game.

 

[TheGirlWithTheFernTattoo]

but not a good enough reason to share and spare someone you think may be village?



We have been PMing all game and I still feel jboo is village. I think noob wolves especially try to kill old PM partners in case things get fishy (or move them) and she would have been more than able to talk wolf pack into a me kill soon after her conversion I think. At the very least given her ability to move players (and her demonstrated continued ability to do so) I imagine she would have at the very least moved me away from a PM with her.

Either that or she's an amazing super wolf and she's got me snowed, in which case all power to her and she's been doing a great job lol


The bolded is like the opposite of WW 101, sharing always helps village (yes, yes, I know only a Sith deals in absolutes). The number of scenarios in which sharing is bad for village is so small it's almost baffling to even think about


lol

If you want to go get wolf killed be my guest, though if you are the convert than your apparently lack of concern makes perfect sense. You were useful to village and keeping you alive benefited village. If you think that is the opposite of village 101 you're crazy. BTW I never said I didn't share with anyone, just that I didn't share on thread.

 

[DVMDream]

It was long enough ago that your not picking up on the whole situation was very weird.

Per some stuff that Jil shared with me I am not lynching you, but I think you missed a fairly obvious thing in the game.

It is very possible I missed a subtle indication earlier on. I've had a very busy week at work and attempting to get a closing date on my house set up. But me knowing and recognizing what jboo's ability was, wasn't obvious until yesterday/today. That's when I first noted it and that's what matters.

 

[DVMDream]

If you want to go get wolf killed be my guest, though if you are the convert than your apparently lack of concern makes perfect sense. You were useful to village and keeping you alive benefited village. If you think that is the opposite of village 101 you're crazy. BTW I never said I didn't share with anyone, just that I didn't share on thread.

Dude what the hell do you think is not obvious to the wolves at this point that it needs to be hidden? Jboo moves people, the info she was posting came from vmh. Vmh had confirmed the info came from her. It is well known, that crap is out now. I'm not entirely sure what "secret" you think you're keeping. But even so, there's enough info there for wolves to know that at this point keeping things a "secret" if you think it'll clear a villager isn't helpful.

 

[kaydubs]

Depends on mod and ability and game theme. Sometimes converts get new roles entirely, sometimes lose their original ability or ability is nerfed, etc.

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[SkiOtter]

pocketing sporty so hard she's putting her in that teeny change pocket that's hard to fit stuff into

(Ps that pocket is actually for your pocket watch)

 

[Karabiner13]

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The Dead's D9 Lynch Tally

Merry Christmas!

jboo (2) - DVMD, 3m
bbc/fern (4) - kcough, jil, mixy, Lyra
Lyra (4) - sporty, jboo, cowgirl, bbc

A tie!

Missing: VMH

10/11
Lynch Ends 10 pm EST (~ 13.5 hours)

@Animal Midwife

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[Skimble]

Mass catch up incoming. Buckle your seatbelts kids


So a lot of jil's posts have been throwing me off this game and I feel like there are just some subtle things going on here that are tripping me up. It feels weird to me to specifically pull out examples where other players maybe had the wool pulled over their eyes as an excuse for why your lack of suspicion about a somewhat suspicious role claim is apparently no big deal and not suspicious at all.


There have also been a lot of posts where I almost feel like jil is being willfully obtuse, especially for a more seasoned player. Things like the above where I feel it's relatively clear there are some behind the scenes things going on but this is the line of questioning she picks


Again, willfully obtuse, because I feel it's fairly clear I'm not an original and several other players have picked up on this or outright telegraphed it on thread




Like what on earth is going on in your spreadsheet lol

pocketing sporty so hard she's putting her in that teeny change pocket that's hard to fit stuff into

I admit a lot of this is a tunnel but these posts have been weirding me out. For someone who pays attention and keeps a spreadsheet I feel like jil has been missing a lot of things she shouldn't be and it makes me feel like she's intentionally trying to seem more out of the loop than she is since wolves often get caught for having the opposite problem

Did you also miss the part where I literally threw this spreadsheet together in the past couple days? It’s the most pathetic thing ever, but it’s helping me keep a few things straight. Honestly I haven’t been keeping track of where people are and who they can talk to, so no, it didn’t occur to me that boo’s info was coming from you. When it did occur to me that it was from you, that is when I made the comment about moving you off my sketch list, then boo said she hasn’t talked to you in a few days, so I thought I must have been wrong, and you went back on the list. Obviously I feel pretty certain you aren’t an original at this point.

As far as my judgement on paws, I shared what I knew about her with my most trusted pm buddy, and she said she thought paws was trying to pocket me, but that was about it. I also told AM that I thought paws was sketchy, hence her calling me out to lynch paws. I’m sorry the role claim just made so much sense to me and we haven’t seem to have seen cover roles. I made a poor judgement call, just like ALL of you did trusting mel after Pippy came back. It happens.

but not a good enough reason to share and spare someone you think may be village?

We have been PMing all game and I still feel jboo is village. I think noob wolves especially try to kill old PM partners in case things get fishy (or move them) and she would have been more than able to talk wolf pack into a me kill soon after her conversion I think. At the very least given her ability to move players (and her demonstrated continued ability to do so) I imagine she would have at the very least moved me away from a PM with her.

Either that or she's an amazing super wolf and she's got me snowed, in which case all power to her and she's been doing a great job lol

The bolded is like the opposite of WW 101, sharing always helps village (yes, yes, I know only a Sith deals in absolutes). The number of scenarios in which sharing is bad for village is so small it's almost baffling to even think about

lol

If boo is a wolf (convert or otherwise) keeping you alive is a really smart thing to do because you trust each other so much.

(Ps that pocket is actually for your pocket watch)

I use it for coins I find on the ground, and then I put them in a vase. It’s my “found money jar”.

 

[SkiOtter]

I use it for coins I find on the ground, and then I put them in a vase. It’s my “found money jar”.

Yes but the true original purpose of that pocket is for a pocket watch. #randomfactsbyski

 

[vetmedhead]

(Ps that pocket is actually for your pocket watch)

Do I look like someone who's ever actually owned a watch? Lmao

 

[TheGirlWithTheFernTattoo]

Dude what the hell do you think is not obvious to the wolves at this point that it needs to be hidden? Jboo moves people, the info she was posting came from vmh. Vmh had confirmed the info came from her. It is well known, that crap is out now. I'm not entirely sure what "secret" you think you're keeping. But even so, there's enough info there for wolves to know that at this point keeping things a "secret" if you think it'll clear a villager isn't helpful.

It's all out there now, at the time I was not announcing everything was when you and Jil clearly hadn't figured out that VMH is the tracker. Since I did not trust either of you particularly strongly (and Jil not at all), and the fact that her still being alive meant conversion, wolves were oblivious and hadn't picked up on it, maybe you can understand why I didn't want to broadcast the information to said oblivious people on thread.

Honestly, would 100% be lynching you right now.

While Santa crouched there, doubled over in pain from his broken leg (that the rum did not help with at all), I took a step out of his workshop, holding a rusty old saw I had removed from the toolboard on the wall.

 

[DVMDream]

It's all out there now, at the time I was not announcing everything was when you and Jil clearly hadn't figured out that VMH is the tracker. Since I did not trust either of you particularly strongly (and Jil not at all), and the fact that her still being alive meant conversion, wolves were oblivious and hadn't picked up on it, maybe you can understand why I didn't want to broadcast the information to said oblivious people on thread.

Honestly, would 100% be lynching you right now.

While Santa crouched there, doubled over in pain from his broken leg (that the rum did not help with at all), I took a step out of his workshop, holding a rusty old saw I had removed from the toolboard on the wall.

You were still arguing just a few posts up about not revealing it.

I also have Jil lower on my list because she didn't have to reveal to anyone what the mods PMd her about me. And a wolf wouldn't, they'd just let it go or try to ignore it.

 

[LyraGardenia]

But that's not what you said. You said "I'm sure fern's post about coop being blocked was damning." Not "fern's vote to kata's post was damning." Which really still doesn't make sense everyone is free to make their own interpretation.

Sorry, bad phrasing there. I meant that Fern posted that Coop being blocked was damning for Coop (that may not have been the exact phrasing she used, but it was along the lines of "well, that's that, Coop must be a wolf"), not that anything Fern posted was damning for her. Hopefully that makes more sense, lol.

The point isn't that some of the wolves were Michigan things, the problem is that to my knowledge thus far the only players that weren't Michigan things were wolves.

Well still, it's not as simple as Michigan = village, not Michigan = wolf.

Did we ever sort out this PMing business? I still feel like there are some fishy inconsistencies here, especially because of kcough's post

I think the conclusion was kata's blocks blocked actions, but not items or just PMing with the mods.

 

[vetmedhead]

Lynch lyra

 

[Animal Midwife]

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The Dead's D9 Lynch Tally

Merry Christmas!

jboo (2) - DVMD, 3m
bbc/fern (4) - kcough, jil, mixy, Lyra
Lyra (5) - sporty, jboo, cowgirl, bbc, vmh

11/11
Lynch Ends in 5.5 hours

@Karabiner13

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