There's a WW in Michigan Game Thread

[WildZoo]

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I bet you would 😛

You're not on it though. Sorry.

Left me off the list because you're still salty. It's ok. I get it.

 

[vetmedhead]

@vetmedhead

Since you are in my head so much this game, I would love to hear your thoughts about remaining players

Back to some regularly scheduled reads

3m/am/kata are all reading like their standard play to me. I think they tend to make easier lynch targets for wolves because of a generally more quiet or more unusual play style

I had been feeling fine about coop after shooting dy, but she had a couple of overly enthusiastic sounding posts yesterday(?) that gave me a weird feeling. Will be looking back at her posts today to think about it

Mixy seems well intentioned but occasionally a bit off base. Nooby

From what I know about johnnaboo and our PM I feel good about her village status

Oh my god typing this is killing me. Does anyone actually read reads lists?

I don't know if I have any significant feelings about the rest of the players in the game. Did I talk about most of the players you wanted to hear about or is there anyone I didn't get to that you really wanted some thoughts on?

 

[vetmedhead]

Did you miss "for shiggles" statement and self-deprecating disclaimer? Of course I know it's nuts.

I just always want to take the opportunity to remind you that you're insane 😛

 

[PippyPony]

So now you've told one person two pieces of information and now we're getting wolfy outcomes from that? How are you not lynching here?

Because I still get a vaguely village-ish vibe? And because it would be based on KC being a wolf, too, which I am not so sure about. Would definitely put her in the convert camp if anything.

Occam's Razor Pippy.

Simultaneously one of my most and least favorite principles.

or maybe Staff has been an unseerable wolf since the beginning so they knew to redirect you on to him again and again to keep clearing him and no one else?

Didn't I point this out already? I thought I did. Still think it is unlikely given Dy's vote pattern.

I trusted her just enough to reveal my role name, nothing else, and this amount of trust was based on the fact that she at the time was picking up on the same AM weirdness that I was and I thought that it wouldn't have been a good wolf move
It was 4:48 a.m. and I did it early so she had reason to believe me instead of thinking that I'm a wolf last minute scrambling.

Hmm ok, this is still awfully weird to me. Were you even under pressure?


You are awfully grump this game -- I can't tell if it is real life things or if you are just being overly defensive because you are hiding something.

 

[PippyPony]

Left me off the list because you're still salty. It's ok. I get it.

Actually, it's because only wolves who have successfully fooled me go on the list 😛

 

[WildZoo]

Actually, it's because only wolves who have successfully fooled me go on the list 😛

Hmm. I'm ok with this. I prefer that you know exactly what I am and be unable to do anything about it 😏

 

[PippyPony]

Back to some regularly scheduled reads

3m/am/kata are all reading like their standard play to me. I think they tend to make easier lynch targets for wolves because of a generally more quiet or more unusual play style

I had been feeling fine about coop after shooting dy, but she had a couple of overly enthusiastic sounding posts yesterday(?) that gave me a weird feeling. Will be looking back at her posts today to think about it

Mixy seems well intentioned but occasionally a bit off base. Nooby

From what I know about johnnaboo and our PM I feel good about her village status

Oh my god typing this is killing me. Does anyone actually read reads lists?

I don't know if I have any significant feelings about the rest of the players in the game. Did I talk about most of the players you wanted to hear about or is there anyone I didn't get to that you really wanted some thoughts on?

I read them 😉

Re: Coop -- there is something bugging me about her and also something I would like to check in PMs from an old game.

But quick question for the group in the meantime: if there are other power roles, do we think people would be notified of them?

@staff_wielder I would like to know if you received any indication via your role PM with the mods that I seered you.

 

[Melchizedek]

Because I still get a vaguely village-ish vibe? And because it would be based on KC being a wolf, too, which I am not so sure about. Would definitely put her in the convert camp if anything.


Simultaneously one of my most and least favorite principles.


Didn't I point this out already? I thought I did. Still think it is unlikely given Dy's vote pattern.


Hmm ok, this is still awfully weird to me. Were you even under pressure?


You are awfully grump this game -- I can't tell if it is real life things or if you are just being overly defensive because you are hiding something.

If you did point it out, I think I missed it, but in that case glad its on your radar. As far Dy's voting pattern concerns Staff, I wouldn't put it past a veteran wolf to lightly bus a noob wolf to give the noob wolf credit post-flip.

ETA: ESPECIALLY if she knew that staff was unseerable, and would get seered at some point and cleared anyway.

Yep I was mildly grump over the weekend and you know why. I've tried to hold it in check, but if its bleeding into the game, I'll take this as a flag to check myself.

ETA: It was the day after people thought I was sketch for the allie vote switch, I knew I was going to come under fire for that and your gambit.

 

[SnowshoeDog143]

Lynch Paws

I trust kara and she trusted kata enough so I'll take that for now. I think coop, pippy, vmh, and dvmd would be top convert options (maybe mel since the suspicion went off him mostly with the dy vote) 😎😎😎

 

[TheGirlWithTheFernTattoo]

Agreed. Actually there are a few people still alive I would've thought were goners.

Noob pack?

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There's been noob/absentee pack speculation all game. I also can think of a few players that I would already be dead if I was a wolf, so I am willing to keep going with that theory. That increases my suspicion of Gryff (surprise surprise) but also Paws (see below).

Unless the convert was you coming back to life.

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Still not totally discounting this. Even constantly redirecting is risky, and safest option would have been just to kill you. Plus paranoia.

Perhaps Karabiner? Meant to kill someone else?😏 Though you have sounded pretty village.

Option Two:


This seems very realistic now...

This post is sketchy as all get out. I've been quoting sketchy posts from you the last few days, and as the pressure increases on you so does the frequency of sketch posts. I am strongly considering switching off of Gryff to you for today.

If this is true I'm more inclined to believe the redirector is wolfy rather than village.

Still find it weird that they would redirect on the same night as killing.

Was Kara voicing strong opinions about someone?

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1. I really really don't get why anyone thought the redirector was village. I wasn't there for whatever Cray game people are referring to, but villagers don't go after outed power roles N1. Who all has been stating they thought redirector was village? I would like to compare that list to my notes.
2. Are you referring to kill/redirect in general or in regards to N1?

Okay. Because something either didn't happen last night or doesn't exist.

Please expand on this.

This checks out, btw, for anyone who cares. My role name did swap. My night result messaging, however, has remained consistent with the Lake Michigan role.

I find it very odd that you would switch role names but still keep an ability/mod results consistent with your old role...

Just putting this out there for shiggles:

My ultra uber Tin Hat Model T-5000 is that maybe staff wielder is a wolf and I keep getting pulled to seer him as village as like a hypnosis thing, and won't be able to properly seer anyone until we lynch him lol

Put down the pipe, lol.

Or until mods strike them down for not participating

Staff's been PMing with me so he has been around. He said he's just been busy.

Sorry if this a dumb question, but how does a redirector know what/who to redirect? Or do you just have to randomly guess?

Considering this has basically been discussed throughout the game, this seems a little like asking a question for village cred.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Please expand on this.

I've given the whole expansion pack.

 

[TheGirlWithTheFernTattoo]

I've given the whole expansion pack.

I must have missed it - going back

 

[TheGirlWithTheFernTattoo]

I've given the whole expansion pack.

AM I'm still not seeing where you elaborated.

 

[SnowshoeDog143]

There's been noob/absentee pack speculation all game. I also can think of a few players that I would already be dead if I was a wolf, so I am willing to keep going with that theory. That increases my suspicion of Gryff (surprise surprise) but also Paws (see below).

1.I really really don't get why anyone thought the redirector was village. I wasn't there for whatever Cray game people are referring to, but villagers don't go after outed power roles N1. Who all has been stating they thought redirector was village? I would like to compare that list to my notes.

I sure hope it's not a noob pack because they are doing better then our not-really noob pack last game 😛 (well until WZ converted in and won it for us)

When I started playing I didn't pick up on not-so subtle stuff in thread, if the redirector was village they might be a noob who didn't realize mel vouching for pippy meant she had a role? If the redirector was a wolf that means they redirected her and killed her the same night which should mean that they were protecting mel. So if you think the redirector is a wolf, I feel like you guys should lynch mel. Or one of pippy's weird mechanic theories is at work...😛🙄

 

[Animal Midwife]

AM I'm still not seeing where you elaborated.

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[TheGirlWithTheFernTattoo]

I sure hope it's not a noob pack because they are doing better then our not-really noob pack last game 😛 (well until WZ converted in and won it for us)

When I started playing I didn't pick up on not-so subtle stuff in thread, if the redirector was village they might be a noob who didn't realize mel vouching for pippy meant she had a role? If the redirector was a wolf that means they redirected her and killed her the same night which should mean that they were protecting mel. So if you think the redirector is a wolf, I feel like you guys should lynch mel. Or one of pippy's weird mechanic theories is at work...😛🙄

Very good point. unlynch Gryff lynch Mel

 

[Melchizedek]

Lynch Staff

The more I think about it, the more the multiple redirects make sense if Staff is an unseerable wolf. I'm between here and Jil (See my analysis of the people on my wagon D2 and D3 for reasoning) either she's really tunneling on me or just voting me over and over is a good way to avoid wolf-hunting and still look like she's contributing.

 

[JustPaws]

Lynch Staff

The more I think about it, the more the multiple redirects make sense if Staff is an unseerable wolf. I'm between here and Jil (See my analysis of the people on my wagon D2 and D3 for reasoning) either she's really tunneling on me or just voting me over and over is a good way to avoid wolf-hunting and still look like she's contributing.

I really disagree here. Staff and Griff both seem super noob. I really don't believe that either are wolves. Jil has also seemed village in pm's so I feel comfortable saying that's bull
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[Animal Midwife]

Unofficial Day 5 Remember the Robin Lynch Tally

Paws (4) - AM, kata, Pippy, Snowy
Gryff (1) - jboo
CheezyD (6) - Mixed, Sporty, Jil, Coop, BBC, Paws
staff (1) - Mel

12/20
lynch close in 6.5 hours

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[Animal Midwife]

I really disagree here. Staff and Griff both seem super noob. I really don't believe that either are wolves. Jil has also seemed village in pm's so I feel comfortable saying that's bull
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You wouldn't ever exclude a noob from being a wolf, would you?

 

[TheGirlWithTheFernTattoo]

I really disagree here. Staff and Griff both seem super noob. I really don't believe that either are wolves. Jil has also seemed village in pm's so I feel comfortable saying that's bull
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Did you not see people mention how play suggests this is a noob pack???
+1 another sketch point.

 

[TheGirlWithTheFernTattoo]

Hey AM I don't think we have 220 people still playing. If so please lynch me now because the game will never end. 😛

 

[MixedAnimals77]

Unofficial Day 5 Remember the Robin Lynch Tally

Paws (4) - AM, kata, Pippy, Snowy
Gryff (1) - jboo
CheezyD (6) - Mixed, Sporty, Jil, Coop, BBC, Paw
staff (1) - Mel

1/220
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I love how many people are playing now and only one has voted 🤣
ETA: Ninjed lol

 

[JustPaws]

You wouldn't ever exclude a noob from being a wolf, would you?

Yes I think noobs can be wolves. Yes I thought gryff said some stupid things and staff seemed weird at first, but I just dont think they are wolves in this game. Is that what you're asking?

 

[Animal Midwife]

Hey AM I don't think we have 220 people still playing. If so please lynch me now because the game will never end. 😛

I love how many people are playing now and only one has voted 🤣
ETA: Ninjed lol

I'm trying...

 

[Animal Midwife]

Yes I think noobs can be wolves. Yes I thought gryff said some stupid things and staff seemed weird at first, but I just dont think they are wolves in this game. Is that what you're asking?

I'm more specifically asking about staff.

 

[KCgophervet]

I didn't. And I explained why then as well. They were using the same tactics Crayola did in the game she took out or exposed basically the entire wolf pack.

Redirecting people who you suspect of having a power role is kinda stupid imo. You are limiting the function of those roles. Which are, like, important roles. Hence why they are called power roles.

ETA: Crayola got lucky in that game. It happens. She is not a magic redirector who has suddenly discovered a breakthrough strategy for using the ability.

1. I really really don't get why anyone thought the redirector was village. I wasn't there for whatever Cray game people are referring to, but villagers don't go after outed power roles N1. Who all has been stating they thought redirector was village? I would like to compare that list to my notes.
2. Are you referring to kill/redirect in general or in regards to N1?

1. See quoted posts above and all my previous posts about why I thought the redirector was village (most redirectors in games I've played in have been village, initially I was actually thinking the redirector was Cray again since the plays almost perfectly mimicked how she used the role and yes got extremely lucky in that game). I don't advocate it as good village play, I've just seen exactly that done as noob village play.
2. N1 specifically.

 

[WildZoo]

Official Day 5 Remember the Robin Lynch Tally

Paws (4) - AM, kata, Pip, snowy
Gryff (1) - jboo
CheezyD (6) - Mixed, Sporty, Jil, Coop, BBC, Paws
staff (1) - Cheez

12/20
Lynch close 10pm EST (about 6.25 hours)

*needed to be posted because the gif is important

 

[JustPaws]

I'm more specifically asking about staff.

I thought he was cleared by the seer, I didn't know until earlier today that those results could be inaccurate. It's usually best to go with the most simple explanation, right?
So the Seer sees him as Village because he's Village.
Or the seer sees him as Village because of some crazy mechanism.
I think it's the first. I don't know why he hasn't been mod killed though.

 

[Animal Midwife]

I thought he was cleared by the seer, I didn't know until earlier today that those results could be inaccurate. It's usually best to go with the most simple explanation, right?
So the Seer sees him as Village because he's Village.
Or the seer sees him as Village because of some crazy mechanism.
I think it's the first. I don't know why he hasn't been mod killed though.

Unseerable isn't that complex of a situation. Does staff's play seem village?

 

[Melchizedek]

*sigh* gonna do this now to avoid a waffle fest later

I'm Lake Ontario - "At the smallest of the Great Lakes it is still the 14th largest lake in the world and did you that Ontario* (the province) was named after the lake instead of the other way around?"

This was the reason I knew that Allie wasn't lying once she said who she was on thread. At first when Lyra/katashark/SP were discussing Allie's claim I was skeptical and thought that the rule about not using village code to clear people was meant to screw us over if we tried to clear the people who claimed the great lakes (and yeah I'll admit, I tunnel visioned a little too) but seeing Allie's post about her role convinced me otherwise. Knowing Pippy was village, I'm village, and Allie flipped village, I was inclined to think the other two lakes are out there and most likely village, and now seeing how FTB flipped, I have more faith that the last lake is village too.

The bolded parts of the role are mod typos.
This is pretty much what I told Lyra in our PM (there's only 4 messages total: 1 from me stating the above, 1 more where I thought I'd flubbed and accidentally opened a PM when I wasn't allowed, and then another one saying nvmind I was allowed to, and one message back from Lyra stating her role and how she thinks that my thinking made sense, and that she was super busy)

Hoping Lyra will come back to confirm all this, but probably not likely she'll be back before deadline.

 

[Melchizedek]

I have no defense against being a convert other than that I'm not, and that I would be a poor choice because I always end up on the lynch board even after the clearly village plays I've made.

But the above should at least prove I didn't start wolfy.

 

[PippyPony]

When I started playing I didn't pick up on not-so subtle stuff in thread, if the redirector was village they might be a noob who didn't realize mel vouching for pippy meant she had a role? If the redirector was a wolf that means they redirected her and killed her the same night which should mean that they were protecting mel. So if you think the redirector is a wolf, I feel like you guys should lynch mel. Or one of pippy's weird mechanic theories is at work...😛🙄

Yeah but the bolded part here is the reason why some people thought the redirection was village. Why protect someone from getting seered if you knew they were going to die anyways?

Although I suppose at that point there was no indication that protection existed -- they could have been redirecting in the chance I did not die or got rezzed, which was my initial thought. It is awfully weird to me that I was hit with both things after only telling Mel I was still seering him, so idk maybe there was panic.

Yet another tinfoil hat is that if KC is actually an original, then they could have done all of this knowing I would get rezzed. Days and days of confusion there. Not sure why they would assume I would get all my results, though, because I feel like that is actually pretty unusual. Seems like pretty risky move with low upside for them.

 

[Melchizedek]

Yeah but the bolded part here is the reason why some people thought the redirection was village. Why protect someone from getting seered if you knew they were going to die anyways?

Although I suppose at that point there was no indication that protection existed -- they could have been redirecting in the chance I did not die or got rezzed, which was my initial thought. It is awfully weird to me that I was hit with both things after only telling Mel I was still seering him, so idk maybe there was panic.

Yet another tinfoil hat is that if KC is actually an original, then they could have done all of this knowing I would get rezzed. Days and days of confusion there. Not sure why they would assume I would get all my results, though, because I feel like that is actually pretty unusual. Seems like pretty risky move with low upside for them.

I feel like I pointed this out multiple times but I'll try again.
What if the wolves didn't know you were a seer, just that you had an ability (either through Cowgirl or through my defending you) and they redirected you on top of killing you to make sure it wasn't a reflexive kill or night kill avoidance or something else?

 

[PippyPony]

But the above should at least prove I didn't start wolfy.

What you are assuming there is that role name is proof of affiliation, which I am going to go out on a limb and say it is likely not.

It is interesting, though. Particularly given the speed of swap off of Allie after she revealed.

 

[MixedAnimals77]

I have no defense against being a convert other than that I'm not, and that I would be a poor choice because I always end up on the lynch board even after the clearly village plays I've made.

But the above should at least prove I didn't start wolfy.

Sketch+1, if you were trying to show villager why put doubt in this by stating the bolded?

 

[Coopah]

Not sure what the extra pressure will do, as I still am not getting why Kara would say "kill paws if i die" based on her thread posts alone.
I definitely don't see a griff vote, but could maybe see a Mel vote, though I was leaning dy during that craziness. You've mentored and wolfed with me so I feel like you can see i read things totally different and wrong from everyone else sometimes. Most of your suggestions as a mentor went over my head if you recall. Do you have any specific questions you want answered?

Yeah are you a wolf, don't worry your lynch will answer that.

So how much time does Kata get to fake these quotes before she posts them? If they are that obvious, 15 minutes probably should have been enough time?

Sketchtastic

*sigh* gonna do this now to avoid a waffle fest later

I'm Lake Ontario - "At the smallest of the Great Lakes it is still the 14th largest lake in the world and did you that Ontario* (the province) was named after the lake instead of the other way around?"

This was the reason I knew that Allie wasn't lying once she said who she was on thread. At first when Lyra/katashark/SP were discussing Allie's claim I was skeptical and thought that the rule about not using village code to clear people was meant to screw us over if we tried to clear the people who claimed the great lakes (and yeah I'll admit, I tunnel visioned a little too) but seeing Allie's post about her role convinced me otherwise. Knowing Pippy was village, I'm village, and Allie flipped village, I was inclined to think the other two lakes are out there and most likely village, and now seeing how FTB flipped, I have more faith that the last lake is village too.

The bolded parts of the role are mod typos.
This is pretty much what I told Lyra in our PM (there's only 4 messages total: 1 from me stating the above, 1 more where I thought I'd flubbed and accidentally opened a PM when I wasn't allowed, and then another one saying nvmind I was allowed to, and one message back from Lyra stating her role and how she thinks that my thinking made sense, and that she was super busy)

Hoping Lyra will come back to confirm all this, but probably not likely she'll be back before deadline.

Lol then why didn't the map work if you are a location. Pip couldn't see you and map couldn't find you... unseerable much?

 

[Animal Midwife]

How many people would sheep AM?

 

[PippyPony]

Sketch+1, if you were trying to show villager why put doubt in this by stating the bolded?

Showing a mighty fast learning curve with the wording of this post right here.

 

[PippyPony]

How many people would sheep AM?

Is this why you moved off of that vote yesterday -- I meant to ask you this morning what you were trying to pull there and whether you thought it worked haha

 

[Melchizedek]

Sketch+1, if you were trying to show villager why put doubt in this by stating the bolded?

Showing a mighty fast learning curve with the wording of this post right here.

I'm glad I'm not the only that looked at this and

 

[Coopah]

Showing a mighty fast learning curve with the wording of this post right here.

She's smart and funny, I claim her as my noob! 😛

 

[Coopah]

How many people would sheep AM?

Lol wtf?

 

[PippyPony]

Yeah are you a wolf, don't worry your lynch will answer that.


Sketchtastic


Lol then why didn't the map work if you are a location. Pip couldn't see you and map couldn't find you... unseerable much?

No offense, you personally would not be my choice of a convert because you are hella sketch always, but as the game progresses I am waffling a bit off of my original village lean on you because of posts like these.

Question for group:

Do we think it would have been obvious that greenie could not cancel a lynch? Because if someone was a wolf, and thought greenies would avoid the lynch by cancelling it....and then suddenly realized they couldn't actually cancel it...then your last minute waffle starts to actually look just as wolfy as people were trying to suggest. I need to start looking at when Dy started pushing you as a lynch candidate.

Literally no idea why wolfy-you would opt to shoot Dy, though, unless you were notified she was tracked and therefore knew she was going to go down anyways.

 

[MixedAnimals77]

Showing a mighty fast learning curve with the wording of this post right here.

I'm glad I'm not the only that looked at this and

Haha! Coopah knows! She's helping me learns 😛

 

[JustPaws]

Unseerable isn't that complex of a situation. Does staff's play seem village?

Getting mad and ghosting for two full days? It seems pretty juvenile. Could it be wolfy? I just think he posts read similar to posts from previous to this game in other threads. I think he's village.

 

[SportPonies]

Lol then why didn't the map work if you are a location. Pip couldn't see you and map couldn't find you... unseerable much?

It's not a map, it's a hand map. Like a map of Michigan, made with your hands. Google "hand map Michigan" if you're unfamiliar.

So it makes sense to me that he wouldn't show up on the map.

 

[JustPaws]

How many people would sheep AM?

What does this mean?

 

[Coopah]

No offense, you personally would not be my choice of a convert because you are hella sketch always, but as the game progresses I am waffling a bit off of my original village lean on you because of posts like these.

Question for group:

Do we think it would have been obvious that greenie could not cancel a lynch? Because if someone was a wolf, and thought greenies would avoid the lynch by cancelling it....and then suddenly realized they couldn't actually cancel it...then your last minute waffle starts to actually look just as wolfy as people were trying to suggest. I need to start looking at when Dy started pushing you as a lynch candidate.

Literally no idea why wolfy-you would opt to shoot Dy, though, unless you were notified she was tracked and therefore knew she was going to go down anyways.

While I agree with you I would have been a good target for conversion based on my shooting of dy I am never a good convert due to the fact I am sketchy af and people were still super suspicious of me.

As for the second bit, you've used your tinfoil hat too much today, it's starting to get holes 😛. Also greeny could cancel a lynch? But hey originals first eh? Glad you still think I'm sketchy though, I feel the love.

 

[MixedAnimals77]

It's not a map, it's a hand map. Like a map of Michigan, made with your hands. Google "hand map Michigan" if you're unfamiliar.

So it makes sense to me that he wouldn't show up on the map.

Also thought this but then he deflected on me because my wording and calling out his sketchiness.