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lynch Mel

 

[Melchizedek]

smh this is literally one of the most reasonless wagons I've seen, besides general sketch factor what is the case stacked against me that hasn't already been explained?

 

[Animal Midwife]

I hate everything.

 

[mmmdreamerz]

Okay. Honestly I’m kinda confused why we haven’t lynched Mel before now. Pippy told him that she was the seer and we promptly lose our seer. Mel’s story about whether or not he knew Pippys role was incredibly inconsistent.

Mel has a lot of strikes and he’s a question that needs answered...

 

[SportPonies]

The whole world is in there because it is a proven fact that all exes live in Texas

Marry me.

(Sorry to @kaydubs and @Teepster87, who I've also proposed to. We'll all have to get along in one big happy hoarding marriage)

Now to go back and actually read.

 

[finnickthedog]

Marry me.

(Sorry to @kaydubs and @Teepster87, who I've also proposed to. We'll all have to get along in one big happy hoarding marriage)

Now to go back and actually read.

I have four wives so I don't see why you can't have 3 spouses.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Does anyone have a post restriction today?

 

[mmmdreamerz]

PM's make me think that Pippy isn't a good choice for lynch today.

Vouch.

@cowgirl92 I have questions for you if you care to open our PM

Crayola I have follow up questions depending on how Cowgirl answers my questions for her.

I will say that this post does come off villager to me.

lol no **** I knew details about her role. Hence:


Pippy opened her PM with me early yesterday, just saying hey and establishing a line of communication. I stonewalled her because I typically don't PM with people unless I need something very specific from them or I've already cleared them as village. She very aggressively and drunkenly messaged me again a few hours before lynch close saying that it was a really bad idea for her to get lynched. She didn't say anything about why, but used language that directly echoed what I said to her when I had a decently valuable PR last game so I figured she was doing it on purpose. I tried to make the above post as ambiguous as possible because I knew a soft vouch this early in the game would put her on the wolf radar. I wouldn't have made it at all if not for 1. Pippy was actually accruing votes and 2. she threatened to "rain hellfire" on me if she got lynched or died at night.

I'm assuming you're supposed to be the "Hellfire" that she threatened to rain down on me haha

ETA: 3. I was really hoping that if there's a protector, they'd pick up what I was putting down.

Mel claims he doesn’t know the details about Pippys role.

Didn't know about the role, she was just very insistent that she not be lynched.


This


I tried 🙁

Mel claims he didn’t know Pippys role a second time

I'm back, b*****es

Thank you to whoever rezzed me.

No thanks to the protector who dropped the ball like woah.

Screw you to whoever redirected me before I died. Don't know why you would think it was a good idea to redirect someone who claimed a power role.

@Melchizedek I would like to know why you were lying so substantially about our PM conversations -- start talking now because you not only knew I was the seer, you also knew you were my planned target.

Staff Wielder is village. I was redirected from Mel onto him, he is clear.

I'm strongly considering a dy lynch today but could also go for Mel. Based off of their BBC votes on D1, I would say that either genny or vmh is probably also wolfy so would like to hear a lot more from them. Also still not a fan of FTB's contributions, and Crayola continues to be weirder than normal imo.

She’s back. What Mel told us doesn’t match what Pippy says he knows.

Read the entire exchange.
I said that at the time I posted defending you, I had no idea that you were the seer, you leaned on me hard to defend you and the only thing you gave me to go on was that you were drunk and "Don't let village lynch me." You didn't tell me you were the seer until after I'd posted?

ETA: "One nice thing about Michigan."

Mel now claiming that he didn’t say that he didn’t know Pippys role. He just didn’t know when he defended her.

Correct. I told you I was the seer after you started pushing on my comment to not let the village lynch me. You then asked who I was seering. I said "You". You then tried to suggest that I seer Snowy instead because you had defended me, so clearly you were a waste of time.

I then found myself redirected and deaded, so how about you tell me why you didn't want me looking into your affiliation?

So Pippy never seemed Mel.

Honestly I was originally just seering him for cursory clearing purposes so I could PM with him more freely because I liked his initial reads, but then he responded all weird to the role reveal and then I got redirected and also died.

He would have to tell people not to lynch me even if he was a wolf because he would know I wasn't lying, so I also think that's a **** excuse to be leaning on.

I just don’t know if I should believe that Mel is a wolf who Pippy told her ability and that’s why she got killed or the wolf’s picked up on Mel’s vouch...

 

[PippyPony]

@staff_wielder you liked one of my posts and then seem to have peaced out...can you answer my question? it would honestly help me make some decisions about certain players

 

[SportPonies]

Vouch.



I will say that this post does come off villager to me.



Mel claims he doesn’t know the details about Pippys role.



Mel claims he didn’t know Pippys role a second time



She’s back. What Mel told us doesn’t match what Pippy says he knows.



Mel now claiming that he didn’t say that he didn’t know Pippys role. He just didn’t know when he defended her.



So Pippy never seemed Mel.



I just don’t know if I should believe that Mel is a wolf who Pippy told her ability and that’s why she got killed or the wolf’s picked up on Mel’s vouch...

D'you think we should be looking at Pippy if Mel comes up village? Their entire exchange after she came back weirds me out; I don't see how it could be village vs village.

 

[PippyPony]

Vouch.



I will say that this post does come off villager to me.



Mel claims he doesn’t know the details about Pippys role.



Mel claims he didn’t know Pippys role a second time



She’s back. What Mel told us doesn’t match what Pippy says he knows.



Mel now claiming that he didn’t say that he didn’t know Pippys role. He just didn’t know when he defended her.



So Pippy never seemed Mel.



I just don’t know if I should believe that Mel is a wolf who Pippy told her ability and that’s why she got killed or the wolf’s picked up on Mel’s vouch...

Not like this will probably help much...but there is a reason why I voted for dy the day I got rezzed instead of Mel, despite all the flipflopping he did about knowing my role vs. not. I was seering him in the first place just to unequivocally clear him so we could have an open PM channel, but it was honestly more of like a formality at that point because I had been reading him as pretty village.

 

[PippyPony]

D'you think we should be looking at Pippy if Mel comes up village? Their entire exchange after she came back weirds me out; I don't see how it could be village vs village.

Which exchange, and why not?

 

[Animal Midwife]

D'you think we should be looking at Pippy if Mel comes up village? Their entire exchange after she came back weirds me out; I don't see how it could be village vs village.

Can we please hunt for originals first?

 

[WildZoo]

Official Day 5 Remember the Robin Lynch Tally

Paws (4) - AM, kata, Pip, snowy
CheezyD (9) - Mixed, Sporty, Jil, Coop, BBC, Paws, kc, meats, jboo
staff (1) - Cheez

14/20
Lynch close in 2 hours

 

[mmmdreamerz]

D'you think we should be looking at Pippy if Mel comes up village? Their entire exchange after she came back weirds me out; I don't see how it could be village vs village.

Absolutely. Honestly, I can’t help but think we need to at least be thinking about Pippy now. Going back and reading, I remembered that I thought it was weird that during this entire Mel exchange she was saying she wanted to lynch someone else...

 

[Animal Midwife]

Absolutely. Honestly, I can’t help but think we need to at least be thinking about Pippy now. Going back and reading, I remembered that I thought it was weird that during this entire Mel exchange she was saying she wanted to lynch someone else...

Shouldn't someone else be top priority if Mel flips village?

 

[mmmdreamerz]

Not like this will probably help much...but there is a reason why I voted for dy the day I got rezzed instead of Mel, despite all the flipflopping he did about knowing my role vs. not. I was seering him in the first place just to unequivocally clear him so we could have an open PM channel, but it was honestly more of like a formality at that point because I had been reading him as pretty village.

When I’ve had seer-like roles, I’ve done the same thing, so that in itself isn’t weird to me.

 

[mmmdreamerz]

Shouldn't someone else be top priority if Mel flips village?

I never said she was the priority, just someone not to forget about

 

[PippyPony]

Absolutely. Honestly, I can’t help but think we need to at least be thinking about Pippy now. Going back and reading, I remembered that I thought it was weird that during this entire Mel exchange she was saying she wanted to lynch someone else...

I can't have conflicted thoughts about evidence that points to someone being sketchy, when that contradicts my overall read on them?

Honestly why is that weird?

Why wouldn't I come back guns blazing and sink him? Gonna go out on a limb here and say it would be a lot better wolf strategy for me to push him and possibly cowgirl based off of what looks like damning evidence than to be literally the first person to bring up Dy -- the wolves double kill -- as my primary choice for lynch. At the very least I bet that could have bought her another day.

Seriously people think through that for a hot second.


AND LOOK FOR ORIGINAL WOLVES.

 

[Melchizedek]

Reasons that point to me being wolf:
Pippy dying N1 - Already said how it makes more sense for the wolves to redirect AND kill Pippy if they only knew that she had an ability and not exactly what ability. If I was a wolf, they would have known Pippy was a seer, why waste the redirect when they knew she was going to die?

People think I lied about not knowing the seer - Reading comprehension here people. I corrected LIS and someone else (Cowgirl?) when they assumed that I knew what Pippy’s role was when I defended her. I didn’t and explained that Pippy didn’t tell me her role until later.

Weird Role - Why bother claiming the weird role if I was a wolf? Look at how the other lakes flipped. A Michigander is admitting that Lake Ontario is considered part of Michigan, its very likely other michiganders (the mods) probably have a similar opinion.

Not showing up on the Hand Map - I’m guessing theres multiple villagers who wouldn’t show up on the hand map (i.e. Kara). This, in and of itself is not an indicator of a wolf and using it to back up a lynch vote is flimsy.


? Please feel free to add if I’m missing anything.



Whereas the reasons that point to me being village:

Defended the seer from being lynched - Why bother doing this if I was a wolf and wolves were going to kill Pippy that night anyway? I’d be stuck in the gambit/trap that Pippy set up with Cowgirl either way.

Tried to stop a villager lynch as soon as I realized Allie was villager, if I was a wolf, I could have stayed quiet and just let that happen instead of drawing attention to myself and getting called even more sketch.

Called out Dy for her woolfiness pretty much the start of D1. Yeah I didn’t vote there, but listened to DVMD and others and chalked it up to difference in playstyle.

 

[SportPonies]

Which exchange, and why not?

The stuff quoted above (although that was only Mel's side of it). Some part of the story isn't adding up- your argument and his defense don't make sense simultaneously.

Have you been trying to seer him since returning, and that's why you've not lynched him? It almost sounds like you implied that, but I can't tell.

Can we please hunt for originals first?

I don't see the insistence on this. A wolf is a wolf, and if there ends up being enough evidence that someone, village or not, is one, why would we keep them around? I'm not saying that's the case with Pippy yet, but I don't think it's something we should be ignoring for the sake of original hunting.

 

[mmmdreamerz]

I can't have conflicted thoughts about evidence that points to someone being sketchy, when that contradicts my overall read on them?

Honestly why is that weird?

Why wouldn't I come back guns blazing and sink him? Gonna go out on a limb here and say it would be a lot better wolf strategy for me to push him and possibly cowgirl based off of what looks like damning evidence than to be literally the first person to bring up Dy -- the wolves double kill -- as my primary choice for lynch. At the very least I bet that could have bought her another day.

Seriously people think through that for a hot second.


AND LOOK FOR ORIGINAL WOLVES.

Of course you can. I have very mixed feelings about you. Just an observation to Sporty’s question

 

[Animal Midwife]

I don't see the insistence on this. A wolf is a wolf, and if there ends up being enough evidence that someone, village or not, is one, why would we keep them around? I'm not saying that's the case with Pippy yet, but I don't think it's something we should be ignoring for the sake of original hunting.

I'm saying there are probably originals right in front of you that would give more information. It's hard to tell when someone was converted and when they start faking reads/votes. Trust me on this. If we catch an original today, I'll slack a bit.

 

[PippyPony]

The stuff quoted above (although that was only Mel's side of it). Some part of the story isn't adding up- your argument and his defense don't make sense simultaneously.

What does not add up? I'm going to need you to spell that out for me, please.

Have you been trying to seer him since returning, and that's why you've not lynched him? It almost sounds like you implied that, but I can't tell.

No. Please actually read my posts. I have provided details about this 3+ times today.

I don't see the insistence on this. A wolf is a wolf, and if there ends up being enough evidence that someone, village or not, is one, why would we keep them around? I'm not saying that's the case with Pippy yet, but I don't think it's something we should be ignoring for the sake of original hunting.

Because you know I was rezzed. You know I am a potential convert choice. It is significantly faster and easier to go after those targets than it is to go after originals, because guess what? Only 2 of us were rezzed and there is a real fast way to find out if we were rezzed wolfy or rezzed village.

Ffs the next time someone mentions the rezzes being sketchy before we lynch another wolf, I am going to immediately swap my vote to them and park it there until one of us is dead.

 

[mmmdreamerz]

Blah. I’m conflicted.

 

[mmmdreamerz]

I'm saying there are probably originals right in front of you that would give more information. It's hard to tell when someone was converted and when they start faking reads/votes. Trust me on this. If we catch an original today, I'll slack a bit.

Though arguably with the rezzes, we know when they were converted (somewhere between death and re-birth lol😉). That said, agreed that you get more info from originals...potentially even where to look for converts.

 

[PippyPony]

Though arguably with the rezzes, we know when they were converted (somewhere between death and re-birth lol😉). That said, agreed that you get more info from originals...potentially even where to look for converts.

^^^^^

 

[vetmedhead]

By the way, this is only vaguely related to the current discussion but something I've been thinking about since we keep bringing up convert hunting - who was it that posted about using that one item to ask mods questions who asked how many non-wolf non-villager players there were in the game? I've been wondering about it because that's a question that's useful for wolves to know but has plausible usefulness to village. Can see a wolf being given that item asking a question like that since it has utility for their team without making them seem outright scummy when they shared the question and answer on thread.

 

[mmmdreamerz]

Here is that info in case anyone can translate it:
1:36A Pippy Lynch FTB
12:34P AM Lynch FTB
2:17P Pippy Unlynch FTB
Then Lyra seems cleared and griff in lead
7:10P Paws Lynch FTB
8:04P JBoo Lynch FTB (possibly the second time this game she has jumped on my lynch vote, will go back and look)
8:08P AM Unlynch FTB
8:49P KC Lynch FTB
8:57P Cowgirl Lynch FTB
8:59P Pip Relynch FTB
9:05P VMH Lynch FTB
Tie
9:56P Coop Lynch FTB
9:59P DVMD Lynch FTB

Quoting this because I’m still interested in the FTB lynch. @StayingPositive2017 did you go back and look at jboo?

 

[SnowshoeDog143]

🙂 Haven't read through the thread yet from when I was last on, just responding to this

Yeah but the bolded part here is the reason why some people thought the redirection was village. Why protect someone from getting seered if you knew they were going to die anyways?

Although I suppose at that point there was no indication that protection existed -- they could have been redirecting in the chance I did not die or got rezzed, which was my initial thought. It is awfully weird to me that I was hit with both things after only telling Mel I was still seering him, so idk maybe there was panic.

Yet another tinfoil hat is that if KC is actually an original, then they could have done all of this knowing I would get rezzed. Days and days of confusion there. Not sure why they would assume I would get all my results, though, because I feel like that is actually pretty unusual. Seems like pretty risky move with low upside for them.

I think I get what you are saying. Yes I thought (and still think most likely) the redirector is village based on you being killed and redirected the same night. Now explain why the wolves would redirect and kill you the same night if mel is village and redirector is wolf?? Thats just a waste of a redirection ability for the wolves. 😛

 

[PippyPony]

By the way, this is only vaguely related to the current discussion but something I've been thinking about since we keep bringing up convert hunting - who was it that posted about using that one item to ask mods questions who asked how many non-wolf non-villager players there were in the game? I've been wondering about it because that's a question that's useful for wolves to know but has plausible usefulness to village. Can see a wolf being given that item asking a question like that since it has utility for their team without making them seem outright scummy when they shared the question and answer on thread.

I believe it was Snowy.

 

[PippyPony]

Haven't read through the thread yet from when I was last on, just responding to this



I think I get what you are saying. Yes I thought (and still think most likely) the redirector is village based on you being killed and redirected the same night. Now explain why the wolves would redirect and kill you the same night if mel is village and redirector is wolf?? Thats just a waste of a redirection ability for the wolves.

Hold up -- aren't you voting for Mel right now?

EDIT: nope. You're voting for paws. Still would like clarification on these 2 posts though, I think.

If you are, would you care to explain how this post fits in with the one up above here?

I sure hope it's not a noob pack because they are doing better then our not-really noob pack last game 😛 (well until WZ converted in and won it for us)

When I started playing I didn't pick up on not-so subtle stuff in thread, if the redirector was village they might be a noob who didn't realize mel vouching for pippy meant she had a role? If the redirector was a wolf that means they redirected her and killed her the same night which should mean that they were protecting mel. So if you think the redirector is a wolf, I feel like you guys should lynch mel. Or one of pippy's weird mechanic theories is at work...😛🙄

Particularly the 2 lines that I bolded, because if I am reading them correctly they are in direct opposition to each other given where your vote is sitting.

Edit: nope, not contrary to where you are voting.

 

[staff_wielder]

Staff Wielder.

Guess what guys he's still village.

Well, if anything, glad we've established this several times now.

Interesting, how would you know that?

I did tell someone in PM that I came back powerless

Wow, KC, sketch -- also not helping that at the time when Pippy posted this, you immediately sent me PM asking me "what is going now?" -- as if Pippy pointing a finger at you was completely ludicrous...

There is something I am toying around with in my mind, which is that perhaps there is actually no redirector at all and it is just my role mechanic to kick back onto a villager when I seer a wolf.

The message I get is about bringing someone to my shore, but [always staff wielder, so cute] shows up instead. So my tinfoil hat idea is that that is my notification for wolf seering: auto redirect onto a villager as kind of a "wave" mechanic that would match with my role.

In that case, then yeah, lynching Mel would get us that info. And then we would also know another wolf because of who I tried to seer last night.

Could be a chance that dy was lying about being redirected, particularly if redirector does exist and is wolfy.

That's odd. Don't know enough about game mechanics... bringing someone to your shore? What does that mean...?

I read them 😉

Re: Coop -- there is something bugging me about her and also something I would like to check in PMs from an old game.

But quick question for the group in the meantime: if there are other power roles, do we think people would be notified of them?

@staff_wielder I would like to know if you received any indication via your role PM with the mods that I seered you.

Coopyloop's attitude gets in the way of a lot of things -- I still like the idea of retaliatory lynching, even if it's not the ideal way to play. Don't like it, lynch me.

Lynch Staff

The more I think about it, the more the multiple redirects make sense if Staff is an unseerable wolf. I'm between here and Jil (See my analysis of the people on my wagon D2 and D3 for reasoning) either she's really tunneling on me or just voting me over and over is a good way to avoid wolf-hunting and still look like she's contributing.

Damn. I was on the fence about you earlier, especially since Pip initially back you -- but hell, I know I'm villager, and now you're grasping at straws, wolf.

@staff_wielder I still want to know if you were notified of either time I seered you

Never notified of anything -- the second night I was whisked away on a ferry while eating fudge (not ice cream, Ski), Fern my PM buddy can confirm this.

Shouldn't someone else be top priority if Mel flips village?

KC missed the noose a little while ago... and kept quiet until Mel got about 4-5 votes -- at this point in the game and with what little participation we've been having (me included, apologies), the wolves knew that Mel was a goner -- so might as well jump onto the bandwagon in the middle -- always better than first on and last on.

 

[staff_wielder]

@staff_wielder you liked one of my posts and then seem to have peaced out...can you answer my question? it would honestly help me make some decisions about certain players

Sorry, got home from walking the little one, caught up on thread, and then made dinner while processing. Please see above for some of my thoughts. That first night (when I had no clue what was going on) apparently you wanted Mel dead if you died, but then you came back and didn't lynch Mel immediately. I don't know enough about conversions, but something really freaky is happening. I hope Mel doesn't get converted to Village or got converted in the past 24 hours so that he flips village later

 

[mmmdreamerz]

Lynch Mel

Still conflicted, but too many wolf points...

 

[LyraGardenia]

Whew, that took a while. Incoming quote spam:

I missed this in the excitement of yesterday.

Why would you role reveal to someone who you were suspicious of? And why were you forced to role reveal to her?

I guess I'm wondering what the timing was on this and whether you were actually in any danger or not.

@LyraGardenia thoughts on this PM exchange?

@LyraGardenia I would also like to know if this checks out, given what Mel revealed to you about his role

Now that you mention it that is an odd phrasing. I didn't really see it as a "forced to" considering he initiated the PM exchange and I hadn't put any particular pressure on him, but maybe he just means he felt compelled to role reveal to someone, and I was the only possibility since we were in a PM group all by ourselves that day. He PM'd me at 3:48 am CT Monday, so I don't think he was in any real danger at that point. He didn't tell me what his ability is. I'm a little confused as to how the handmap works, so not sure why it wouldn't be able to detect his location. Has anyone tried it on someone else in the "out of service" group??

I now see Mel summed up our PM exchange later, that's all accurate. I was going to say he may be lying about his role name considering he hadn't claimed it on thread, now not so sure unless Michiganders secretly hate Lake Ontario for some reason.

In my role flair I bring back my two dead kids as islands. I have no idea if you'd come back with or without powers. I mostly was banking on you having results from the night you died (plus being the first villager that died and generally being active and a good player).

Sent from my [device_name] using SDN mobile

Backtracking on the claim that Pippy came back powerless, seems a bit sketch.

Showing a mighty fast learning curve with the wording of this post right here.

Is this MixedAnimals's first game? My WW hiatus has me confused over who's a true noob and who's just noobier than me. 😛

Do we think it would have been obvious that greenie could not cancel a lynch? Because if someone was a wolf, and thought greenies would avoid the lynch by cancelling it....and then suddenly realized they couldn't actually cancel it...then your last minute waffle starts to actually look just as wolfy as people were trying to suggest.

I think I missed something, why couldn't greenie cancel her lynch?

I'm also concerned because Lake Ontario is like, nowhere close to Michigan.

Hmph. Tempted to move my vote off him for the lake claim, but borrowing Pippy's hat and paranoid that he chose Lake Ontario because he knew it wouldn't be included in-game.

Good point, I hadn't caught that before. But I could definitely see all the Great Lakes being included for completeness sake, and I know Canada is village, so...

Also, Paws did not try to correct the few instances where people said she was sketchy. That brought up red flags for me.

If she were ignoring being in the lead for lynch or not responding to specific questions I'd agree with you, but being overly defensive also tends to be really sketchy.

Does anyone have a post restriction today?

I did successfully get one out last night, but I'll let the person I'm pretty sure got it reveal it if they so choose. It's a pretty subtle one. 😉

My gut just isn't feeling the Mel lynch, so I'm going to stick with lynch Gryff. Maybe I'm tunneling, but his previous posts are still bugging me, and the current ghosting strikes me as trying to fly under the radar after being close to getting lynched. I'm not really getting sketchy feels for Paws, but I'm curious why Kara wanted to lynch her.

 

[Animal Midwife]

KC missed the noose a little while ago... and kept quiet until Mel got about 4-5 votes -- at this point in the game and with what little participation we've been having (me included, apologies), the wolves knew that Mel was a goner -- so might as well jump onto the bandwagon in the middle -- always better than first on and last on.

Are you implying kc and Mel are wolves?

 

[staff_wielder]

Are you implying kc and Mel are wolves?

I think Mel is highly sketch. I think he was probably wolf at some point. I think KC has been acting funny since this AM when brought under the gun, and I noticed how she smoothly hopped on the bandwagon a little while ago. I'm wary. Whether wolves for sure, I don't know.

 

[Animal Midwife]

I'm not really getting sketchy feels for Paws, but I'm curious why Kara wanted to lynch her.

Paws has been giving delayed answers to Kara's question.

 

[LyraGardenia]

I hope Mel doesn't get converted to Village or got converted in the past 24 hours so that he flips village later

I've never heard of someone being able to be converted to village.

 

[Animal Midwife]

I think Mel is highly sketch. I think he was probably wolf at some point. I think KC has been acting funny since this AM when brought under the gun, and I noticed how she smoothly hopped on the bandwagon a little while ago. I'm wary. Whether wolves for sure, I don't know.

Villagers can convert to wolves, but not the other way around if that's something you're concerned about. I agree that kc could be looked further into. How do you feel about Paws?

 

[staff_wielder]

Villagers can convert to wolves, but not the other way around if that's something you're concerned about. I agree that kc could be looked further into. How do you feel about Paws?

No clue. Happy she's into MSU?

 

[PippyPony]

Sorry, got home from walking the little one, caught up on thread, and then made dinner while processing. Please see above for some of my thoughts. That first night (when I had no clue what was going on) apparently you wanted Mel dead if you died, but then you came back and didn't lynch Mel immediately. I don't know enough about conversions, but something really freaky is happening. I hope Mel doesn't get converted to Village or got converted in the past 24 hours so that he flips village later

You are a new player so I will say this once more:

It is possible to form opinions on people based on their contributions to the thread and watching how others interact with them. Literally the point of the game. It is 100% possible for me to have been reading the thread while I was dead (which I promise you I was doing) and shifting my reads in real time based on what I was reading. Sometimes the thing that looks like the easiest route is not actually the correct one, and more time and information can help people make more informed decisions.


Lots of people seem confused about this though so here are the cliff notes:

- I came back from the dead
- I had initial questions for Mel about some of the things I saw from him while I was dead and because he knew things about me
- BUT had also consistently felt that he and dyachei were on opposite sides based off of how they had been interacting since D1
- Had a much stronger wolf read on dy based on her posts on the days while I was dead. This is different from having questions about things that look like evidence. "Evidence" can point to the wrong people sometimes
- Went with who I felt was a more likely wolf candidate, led lynch on a wolf who could kill extra people (you're welcome btw)
- therefore backed off of Mel, because that is what decision tree like that^ would indicate is the correct choice
- Have not voted to lynch Mel, will not be voting to lynch him, and if he is a wolf then oh well he and dyachei did a great job on D1 convincing me they were not on the same team.

 

[Melchizedek]

You’re telling me that Satff coming back at the end of the day, joining the “Call Mel sketch” parade and then spouting off some newbie theory about wolves being converted to villagers doesn’t look like some damn good coaching from a wolf pack since we’re on to Staff being an unseerable wolf?

 

[Animal Midwife]

No clue. Happy she's into MSU?

I mean her playstyle specifically. You given some feels on Mel, Pippy, and kc. I'm especially interested in hearing about Paws.

 

[MixedAnimals77]

@LyraGardenia yes I'm noob and a midsub for resurrected LIS. So apparently I'm learning fast? Therefore=sketch @Coopah has been helpful in explaining things. Mods have been wonderful in being there if I have questions.
FWIW I think staff might just be legit noob on the whole conversion thing. I didn't know wolf can't go village until I asked Coop

 

[Animal Midwife]

@LyraGardenia yes I'm noob and a midsub for resurrected LIS. So apparently I'm learning fast? Therefore=sketch @Coopah has been helpful in explaining things. Mods have been wonderful in being there if I have questions.
FWIW I think staff might just be legit noob on the whole conversion thing. I didn't know wolf can't go village until I asked Coop

Well, staff is definitely a noob with this being his first game, but I don't see how that changes anything.

 

[SnowshoeDog143]

Lynch Staff

The more I think about it, the more the multiple redirects make sense if Staff is an unseerable wolf. I'm between here and Jil (See my analysis of the people on my wagon D2 and D3 for reasoning) either she's really tunneling on me or just voting me over and over is a good way to avoid wolf-hunting and still look like she's contributing.

I don't think this theory makes sense at all. Too many factors. Too much tin foil hat going on.. it's probably much simplier then that.

Hold up -- aren't you voting for Mel right now?

EDIT: nope. You're voting for paws. Still would like clarification on these 2 posts though, I think.

If you are, would you care to explain how this post fits in with the one up above here?


Particularly the 2 lines that I bolded, because if I am reading them correctly they are in direct opposition to each other given where your vote is sitting.

Edit: nope, not contrary to where you are voting.

I just don't believe mel is an original. His role claim is sketch because it's not in michigan, but a pretty big claim for a wolf to make up (you would have to guess not all the great lake roles would be included in this game) and a weird made up claim because of it's location. Much safer to choose a smaller town/place/thing in michigan that probably wouldn't be in the game.

I'm a little confused as to how the handmap works, so not sure why it wouldn't be able to detect his location. Has anyone tried it on someone else in the "out of service" group??

I have the handmap now and haven't asked a question. Is anyone alive who we know is an out of service group? Lyra maybe?

 

[vetmedhead]

You’re telling me that Satff coming back at the end of the day, joining the “Call Mel sketch” parade and then spouting off some newbie theory about wolves being converted to villagers doesn’t look like some damn good coaching from a wolf pack since we’re on to Staff being an unseerable wolf?

to me it looks like the opposite of good coaching from a wolf pack lol

 

[LyraGardenia]

I have the handmap now and haven't asked a question. Is anyone alive who we know is an out of service group? Lyra maybe?

Gryff and I are the other ones currently in that group.