Touro COM - New York (TouroCOM-NY) Discussion Thread 2013 - 2014

[Setto]

---

Members do not see this ad.

Will you be attending the Middletown campus?

I have a couple more interviews so we'll see. It's supposed to be a fantastic campus, state of the art, awesome access to a large health care center etc. It's more my vibe than the Harlem campus is (to each their own!). I would gladly attend Middletown.

 

[ddukbokeeboi]

Does anyone have any recommendation about how to get to the school and which hotel to stay? I'm from California and I just received an interview offer yesterday. It will be my first time going to New York so any recommendation about which flight to take will be help to me too.

Once you confirm your interview with admissions, they will forward you an email containing a pdf which offers all sorts of information regarding flights/hotels.

 

[dedicated2be]

Any idea on myc chances? CGpa 3.65 Sgpa 3.46 mcat 25 (8-9-8). Research, clinical with under served, shadowing and leadership. I'm OOS but have worked with under served and love this schools mission.

 

[Setto]

Very cool. Where are your other interviews? With your stats it'll be easy for you to get into CCOM and DMU.

Other interview is at Western in Pomona Cali

 

[ddukbokeeboi]

Use the "interview feedback" section of this website. It's incredibly helpful.
Reading previous years' threads, I've seen mixed accounts. Some people reported leisurely, conversational interviews. Others reported being grilled a bit on their application. I'm guessing that it depends on who is in your panel. I guess, just know your application (dates, activities, scope, etc.) very well prepare for the questions on the "interview feedback" section.

Is it just me, or is the interview feedback portion of SDN down due to recent site changes?

 

[deleted562324]

Is it just me, or is the interview feedback portion of SDN down due to recent site changes?

There's a thread in the Pre-med MD forum with how to fix it. It involves the hyperlink.

 

[withoutlyrics]

If there are current 3rd/4th year students reading, would love to hear from you here! Especially about the rotation quality and/or logistical aspects of securing rotations within a reasonable commuting distance from each other. How well do you think the administration handles the demand of making sure students get a sound clinical education? Do you feel that you that this burden falls on your shoulders more than it reasonably should?

 

[withoutlyrics]

Double post.

 

[deleted562324]

If there are current 3rd/4th year students reading, would love to hear from you here! Especially about the rotation quality and/or logistical aspects of securing rotations within a reasonable commuting distance from each other. How well do you think the administration handles the demand of making sure students get a sound clinical education? Do you feel that you that this burden falls on your shoulders more than it reasonably should?

I'm not a current student, but if you search for posts by the user DocEspana, you will find some of this information in some older threads. I don't have any links, but the information was very insightful.

 

[gmcguitar4]

If there are current 3rd/4th year students reading, would love to hear from you here! Especially about the rotation quality and/or logistical aspects of securing rotations within a reasonable commuting distance from each other. How well do you think the administration handles the demand of making sure students get a sound clinical education? Do you feel that you that this burden falls on your shoulders more than it reasonably should?

The thing is their experience will definitely be way different by the time you are a 3rd/4th year. Since it is a relatively new school, things change every year. They are in the process of securing new rotation spots and may lose some in the process within next few years.

 

[withoutlyrics]

The thing is their experience will definitely be way different by the time you are a 3rd/4th year. Since it is a relatively new school, things change every year. They are in the process of securing new rotation spots and may lose some in the process within next few years.

Do you happen to know the details of those changes? I take it the Middletown center will provide rotation options for Harlem students as well. At the interview they mentioned that they have difficulty securing rotations in the city.

They have been open since 2007... If things are still changing rapidly, I want testimony from students that things are changing for the better.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[gmcguitar4]

Do you happen to know the details of those changes? I take it the Middletown center will provide rotation options for Harlem students as well. At the interview they mentioned that they have difficulty securing rotations in the city.

They have been open since 2007... If things are still changing rapidly, I want testimony from students that things are changing for the better.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

It is impossible to say what the changes are going to be and if they will be for the better. I assume they would be for the better though. It is hard to get rotations in the city because Columbia has dibs on the immediately surrounding hospitals, as well as SGU. Over time though, as contracts expire and new ones are written, Touro will probably start being incorporated. It is a new school in competitive area. I think the school will do fine overall though.
As for middletown rotations with harlem rotations, I am unsure how that will mix in. Best to ask admissions that one.

This schools focus is for you to really know your stuff and destroy the boards. They know that boards are the most important determinant of securing a residency. They are going all over to try to get more rotation spots and I am sure they will do so eventually. I hope this helps!

 

[Valkyrie927]

It is impossible to say what the changes are going to be and if they will be for the better. I assume they would be for the better though. It is hard to get rotations in the city because Columbia has dibs on the immediately surrounding hospitals, as well as SGU. Over time though, as contracts expire and new ones are written, Touro will probably start being incorporated. It is a new school in competitive area. I think the school will do fine overall though.
As for middletown rotations with harlem rotations, I am unsure how that will mix in. Best to ask admissions that one.

This schools focus is for you to really know your stuff and destroy the boards. They know that boards are the most important determinant of securing a residency. They are going all over to try to get more rotation spots and I am sure they will do so eventually. I hope this helps!

+1

 

[Canyptian]

.

 

[ddukbokeeboi]

Good luck to everyone interviewing today!

 

[DrEnderW]

If there are current 3rd/4th year students reading, would love to hear from you here! Especially about the rotation quality and/or logistical aspects of securing rotations within a reasonable commuting distance from each other. How well do you think the administration handles the demand of making sure students get a sound clinical education? Do you feel that you that this burden falls on your shoulders more than it reasonably should?

Not a 3rd/4th year, but I'll tell you what I know as current student/ relay what we have been told.

For the majority of students (unless you want an upstate rotation site) will be at what they call the "NJ consortium" or at Staten Island University Hospital. There are a couple rotation possible at Lenox and hopefully more will be added. Additionally, they are trying to secure Harlem Hospital when their contract with Columbia runs outs I believe in 2014. That would be huge but it is undetermined at the moment.

Staten is a level 1 trauma center where you can do all of your rotations without traveling. You likely wouldn't live in the same location as M1/M2 but still in NYC obviously. The NJ consortium is a a few hospitals all within close distance right across the river in NJ. You would not have to move if you one rotation at a hospital and your next at different hospital if it works that way. All these hospitals are within a close proximity and allows for the capacity to do rotations at hospitals that are stronger in some programs than others. For example, if you're interested in surgery there are great choices you'd select for a heavier surg rotation versus someone totally uninterested. You could either live in NJ or NYC.

They deans are pretty serious about acquiring strong locations and hope to add more sites in Manhattan. There's definitely a robust Touro is taking over attitude and they are always looking to improve and expand. Hopefully a 3rd/4th year can elaborate on this.

 

[withoutlyrics]

Thank

Not a 3rd/4th year, but I'll tell you what I know as current student/ relay what we have been told.

For the majority of students (unless you want an upstate rotation site) will be at what they call the "NJ consortium" or at Staten Island University Hospital. There are a couple rotation possible at Lenox and hopefully more will be added. Additionally, they are trying to secure Harlem Hospital when their contract with Columbia runs outs I believe in 2014. That would be huge but it is undetermined at the moment.

Staten is a level 1 trauma center where you can do all of your rotations without traveling. You likely wouldn't live in the same location as M1/M2 but still in NYC obviously. The NJ consortium is a a few hospitals all within close distance right across the river in NJ. You would not have to move if you one rotation at a hospital and your next at different hospital if it works that way. All these hospitals are within a close proximity and allows for the capacity to do rotations at hospitals that are stronger in some programs than others. For example, if you're interested in surgery there are great choices you'd select for a heavier surg rotation versus someone totally uninterested. You could either live in NJ or NYC.

They deans are pretty serious about acquiring strong locations and hope to add more sites in Manhattan. There's definitely a robust Touro is taking over attitude and they are always looking to improve and expand. Hopefully a 3rd/4th year can elaborate on this.

Thank you for the detailed info. It's very helpful.

Any knowledge on the distribution of 3rd year students across the different sites? Is there a distinctly more popular location and do students get shut out of it?

(I am asking because I was accepted and am considering it heavily, but I think the information can be helpful for anyone going through the process this year or in the next few.)

 

[DrEnderW]

Is the Staten Island Hospital reserved for higher ranking students, or do all have a fair shot at picking it...because I remember that the hospital in Queens, St. John's or whatever it's called, was reserved for top 1-5 students.

It is not based on rank as far as I know - I wish it was. It may have been difference in the past.

It's a lottery system where you rank your top location and they try to accommodate you. It's over 90% match to your first choice, or at least that is what we've been told. There's always some students that want to do the rural medicine thing and choose upstate sites so there's plenty for everyone that wants to stay around NYC.

 

[DrEnderW]

Thank

Thank you for the detailed info. It's very helpful.

Any knowledge on the distribution of 3rd year students across the different sites? Is there a distinctly more popular location and do students get shut out of it?

(I am asking because I was accepted and am considering it heavily, but I think the information can be helpful for anyone going through the process this year or in the next few.)

Have you seen this link:

http://www.tourocomsga.com/rotations/rotation-site-map/

There's additional info on the TouroCOM SGA website under "Rotations" as well. You don't need a login or anything, just google it. You can download the rotations manual as well.

There's a lot of students that purposely want to do rotations upstate and are interested in more or a rural practice so that takes the pressure of the sites around NYC. As I stated in my previous comment, we have been told that there's an over 90% match rate to your first choice. People prefer Staten vs NJ for personal reasons and from what I've hear one isn't superior to the other - just different. I honestly forget the number at each site, but I believe NJ sites have more students. Staten is nice because its a robust hospital with everything in one location. NJ consortium gives you a feel of a bunch of different styles/ sizes of hospitals and you can try and get a hospital that is very strong in your specialty of choice. I don't think one is highly valued over the other as each has its pros/cons and can be weighed differently depending on your field of interest.

 

[FutureGlobalDoc]

Received e-mail that Secondary was complete and in the process of review on Nov. 8
3.44 sGPA, 3.2cGPA, 25MCAT (10bio, 10ps, 5vr), got a 6vr on the first try.
Stat's wise am I looking oK?

 

[almirbhf]

Thanks for the info DrEnderW ! Appreciate it. I am interviewing Wednesday morning, I am very excited/nervous !

Am I correct in stating that there is a very positive and optimistic outlook for TOURO NY ? That is the feeling I am getting at least

 

[DrEnderW]

Thanks for the info DrEnderW ! Appreciate it. I am interviewing Wednesday morning, I am very excited/nervous !

Am I correct in stating that there is a very positive and optimistic outlook for TOURO NY ? That is the feeling I am getting at least

Congrats on the interview! Have a solid answer for "Why DO" and "why this school/ why harlem/ why us" and you'll be good. It's not a high stress interview.

They are definitely putting a lot of time, energy, and money to put the school on the map. With the NYC location, the school is only going to get more competitive (which is a good thing - 2017 has a 30 MCAT average) and Touro has the resources/money/network to keep things rolling. Definitely a positive vibe.

Good luck!

 

[snap660]

I was looking through the past Touro threads and it seems there has been little movement off their waitlist. Do you guys think that might change with the addition of the Middletown campus?

 

[sshung]

So I received an interview invitation last week but I will not be able to make it to the dates they gave me (11/25; 12/2). Is it going to hurt my chance if I postpone my interview to January?

 

[JDMcNugent]

So, I received the email from Touro that they received my aacomas app on October 17 but have yet to hear back on a secondary. When I have spoken with admissions the past 2 weeks, they say that they are reviewing a misdemeanor charge (alcohol related) from 2006 as was listed on my application. Does this school look heavily into these kinds of things and should I be really concerned if it has been a month and haven't received a secondary?

 

[drcollete]

So, I received the email from Touro that they received my aacomas app on October 17 but have yet to hear back on a secondary. When I have spoken with admissions the past 2 weeks, they say that they are reviewing a misdemeanor charge (alcohol related) from 2006 as was listed on my application. Does this school look heavily into these kinds of things and should I be really concerned if it has been a month and haven't received a secondary?

I don't know how they view legal-related involvements; I can only tell you my personal experience with the secondary. Rumor is that they screen heavily (~1/3 applicants receive secondaries). I received my secondary on the same day my app was released from AACOMAS.

 

[SIGINT]

Just got a "Your application has been received" e-mail. Is there another complete email supposed to come after this or is this it?

 

[DrEnderW]

The earlier you interview the better - that is not debatable.

However, I suppose Jan/Dec isn't that late in the process and there are obviously spots left. The DO cycle, and Touro in particular, is a little bit later than the MD side. Remember, the class is deceptively small compared to other schools. Even though there is 135 students, I'd knock 35 of those off for Masters students working their way to the DO class.

If it is anything you can possibly miss, I'd make the earlier date if possible. Getting into med school is going to be one of the most important things in your life aside from getting married. There will be spots left in Jan/Dec and it is truly not that late in the process if you can't make an earlier date.

 

[Albein]

Rejected this morning. I thought I would've at least received a spot on the wait list. How do you go about receiving feedback? Who would you email for that and do you recommend doing it?

 

[1358]

Accepted just now!!!!! Holy goodness, so excited! I choose the Middletown Campus!

 

[dbaker629]

Accepted to Harlem campus! However, I'll be deferring this one. Good luck everyone!

 

[vienna200]

Congrats to those who got in!!.. Just got my wait list notification today.. Does anyone know much about the wait list of this school? (how it's ranked, percentage that usually gets out, etc.) Any info would be much appreciated!

 

[zdbsy]

Anyone knows what's going on in their admission office? Called but no one answered. The last time I called a female staff said someone will call me back but it turned out to be silent.

 

[drcollete]

Rejected this morning. I thought I would've at least received a spot on the wait list. How do you go about receiving feedback? Who would you email for that and do you recommend doing it?

This isn't helpful in answering your question, but I'm curious: was this post-interview or no interview?

 

[drcollete]

I received an interview invite today, and they gave me the option of attending one of three interview sessions in December. What if I can't attend any of those three sessions, and prefer to attend an interview session later in December or in January? How do I go about doing this? Has anybody been in the same situation as me?

Was your invite via email or telephone?

 

[dedicated2be]

Email. What is the difference?

Also - I am flying in from texas to JFK. Does anybody have any advice on what I should do the day before? Where should I go? I am not renting a car because it is too expensive (or should I)? I have never been to New York before. Which hotels are best to stay at in the area?

Congrats on your interview! Mind sharing your stats and when you were complete? You are from Texas and clearly out of state so I'm just trying to gauge their selection but then again who knows...

 

[Warriors90]

Accepted to the Harlem campus, but will not be accepting the offer.

 

[KobeshouldbeaMD]

3.82, 29(11,7,11)
NJ resident
Volunteered at 2 hospitals
Shadowed about 10 doctors

How bad will that 7 hurt me?

Good chance here?

 

[drcollete]

Does anyone know if they are receptive to "in the area" emails? Just curious.

 

[Chillywilly]

3.82, 29(11,7,11)
NJ resident
Volunteered at 2 hospitals
Shadowed about 10 doctors

How bad will that 7 hurt me?

Good chance here?

Lol you cray. I got an ii with a 27 (10-6-11). You're fine. Granted I got WL....but I didn't show any enthusiasm in my interview cuz Touro-NY is not my top choice.

 

[DrEnderW]

3.82, 29(11,7,11)
NJ resident
Volunteered at 2 hospitals
Shadowed about 10 doctors

How bad will that 7 hurt me?

Good chance here?

Very solid. Good luck.

 

[WaterIsGood]

To those that have already applied, I have a question. TouroNY requires that the physician send the LOR directly to them? Although I have a physician's LOR stored on my account, they won't accept it if I send it? Am I reading the requirements correctly?

 

[raymond33]

To those that have already applied, I have a question. TouroNY requires that the physician send the LOR directly to them? Although I have a physician's LOR stored on my account, they won't accept it if I send it? Am I reading the requirements correctly?

I sent in my physician LOR along with all the other LORs through interfolio and was offered an interview...so I think you can send all of the LOR together and it should be fine!

 

[raymond33]

For people who got interviewed, mind offering some insight to what the interview is like? Is it MMI format or just 1-on-1 interview style? What interview questions do they focus on: ethical or personal questions? Thank you!!!

 

[deleted562324]

I interviewed here recently and thought I’d give my opinion on the day and school.

You are interviewed by 2 faculty members. There are some general questions (Why DO, medicine, primary care, etc.). They also ask different questions based on your application because the interview is open file. Be ready to talk about weaknesses on your application. My interviewers seemed a bit detached/cold as they interviewed me, but when I started asking questions, it seemed like they really opened up. As soon as I answered a question, another one was asked at a rapid pace. The other people with my interviewers did not have the same experience as I did, but there was no good cop, bad cop games going on with my interviewers. Know your application well, prepare for some of the questions from the ”Interview Feedback” section of this website, and you should do fine. I had a few of those pop up in my interview. No ethical questions.

Lectures are recorded and available on iTunesU for you to watch before you go in for clicker sessions. Clicker sessions are interesting, and I have mixed feelings about them, but you should decide based on your interview experience. It is an interesting curriculum, and honestly, I think this is what PBL should be. The curriculum is not systems based, although there are claims that there is overlap among courses (physiology, biochemistry, anatomy, etc.). The aspect of the curriculum that I least like was that there are tests/quizzes nearly every Monday. For some people, it may be good, and for others, maybe not.

For information about the clinical years, one of the deans came in to talk to us. They were really trying to sell the Middletown campus. Rotations for Middletown are at ORMC and other hospitals in that area. Harlem rotations are throughout NY, NJ, and there’s 1 site in Philadelphia. The minimum number of people per rotation site is 10 and max is ~50 (in NJ consortium). They claimed that 95% of students got their first choice rotation site. They use a lottery system to assign rotation sites. You stay at each site (or area) for the 3rd year. 4th year has a lot of electives, so you don’t necessarily stay in any one area, unless you want to. The website says there are 6 months of elective rotations in 4th year. From my memory, here are some numbers of students at each rotation site, as of now: 10 at ORMC, ~12 in Philadelphia (not sure about this one), 12 at Southampton, 22 in Staten Island University Hospital, ~50 in NJ. I can’t remember the rest of the sites and numbers, but you get the picture. It was mentioned that some Middletown students MAY be able to rotate with the Harlem students, but I wouldn’t count on it.

The claims about residency matching sounded absurd to me (not in a good way). They were throwing around big names (Mayo Clinic, Johns Hopkins, Cleveland Clinic, Columbia, NYU), but based on the 2 match lists I’ve seen for this school, very few people match at such places. I haven’t been able to find the most recent (2013) match list. Of course, match lists don’t tell everything, but I’d recommend being somewhat skeptical about some of the claims. Having a single person match at a place like Johns Hopkins out of a class of 135 for 3 classes in a row does not deserve bragging rights, in my opinion. They were also parading their 100% match rate for the most recent class, but this number does not necessarily mean too much to me. At a lot of the more competitive MD schools, people choose to take a year off for research, for example. I would suggest that you really think about each claim that you hear (at every school) on interview day. Remember, they're trying to sell the school to you as much as you're trying to sell yourself to the school.

The interview day felt VERY disorganized to me. Lots of wasted time in the beginning and end, and this was not a good impression on me. There wasn’t much information given, considering the length of the interview day. I wish we had more time to talk to students, particularly 2nd, 3rd, or 4th year students. All in all, I honestly feel like they didn’t sell themselves well (to me), and I’m hesitant about the school. After all, if you take out the entire COA (not everyone does), you will have ~$310k in loans. The Middletown campus was slightly attractive to me because of the affiliations with ORMC and lower cost of living, but the main reason I applied here was because of the focus on urban, underserved populations. All in all, if I was accepted here, I’d have to think long and hard about it. But, as of right now I’m not terribly excited.

 

[Valkyrie927]

I agree about it being very disorganized... I was actually really annoyed that it took from the morning until after 4:30 to finish. The worst part was waiting for two and a half hours with the 4 other people in my group while we each took turns interviewing with the two faculty members. Couldn't they have figured out a better way to structure it?

My interview was a bit rushed bc they were running out of time, but they didn't really grill me or pose any major ethical questions... it really was more like a conversation. Again, know the standard questions and know your application, and know interesting things about yourself that you may want to bring attention to.

Overall I did like the school and I was very excited to be accepted. I liked the learning style, and even though I know some may see it as a shortcoming that the rotations are sort of scattered, I actually like the idea of experiencing different locations. This is less of a problem for me because I'm from the area though, and I realize it's not so easy for everyone to relocate.

 

[DrEnderW]

Pretty solid write up by teres and valkyrie.

I'll expand on a couple of things for everyone. The 2013 match list does have matches in those locations - I think it's the most impressive match list so far but not for those reasons. It's really not a great gauge to judge if people matched to NYU or Columbia, for example. It's absolutely no problem for DOs to match at well known hospitals in certain specialties. Half of the faculty at those two schools for PM&R are DOs. Those students may not even be the most competitive that matched there. Looking at highly competitive AOA matches would be a better gauge. With that being said, judging match lists isn't the best practice because interests can very so much year to year. For example, if I got a 270 on the USMLE I would never do an IM residency at Johns Hopkins because I have no interest in that field and would rather do an AOA general surgery residency - a match at a no name program. The lowest AOA ortho match last year had a higher board score than the highest score that matched psych.

There are definitely tests essentially every Monday after the first few weeks pass. A couple times a semester you'll have 2 on a Monday, but usually it's one subject. In addition, about once or twice a month, you'll have an OMM or Physical Diagnosis practical on Wed/Thurs. Those are 10 minutes long. There's two sides to this testing set up. Starting with the negative, it is intense and you're always studying for an exam. I take 1 day off of medicine about every 6 weeks. However, this forces you to really stay on top of the material and make sure you are learning. It's no secret they try to keep the pressure up to mimic the constant pace of residency and rotations. There is GPA and class rank and those that put in the effort consistently will be rewarded. Even those with less work ethic are forced to keep pace and learn the material (this is also where clickers come in - I'll expand on that later). That's a good thing when you're taking out a $300k bet on yourself. The overlap between classes first year is negligible and should be this way IMO. It's pure cramming of basic sciences and linking a biochemistry lecture about a secretion isn't going to help you learn how an artery splits through the same structure in anatomy. In second year, things move more to systems - renal, cardio/pulm, etc. Tests are seriously decreased at that time - about once a month. In summary, I like the curriculum setup but the testing system is very intense, especially if you are aiming for top of the class. This may not be for everyone but clearly has some upside.

The general format is watch the iTunes lecture the night or two before and come to class the next day. There's a 50 minute session where you are presented questions and click in an answer. After you put your initial answer (ungraded), there's a 2 min discussion with whoever is sitting by you or a chance to consult your notes and textbook. Your second answer is graded and you do roughly 10 questions per class. The questions are difficult and allow the professors to teach concepts by explaining right and wrong answers. Again, this forces you to learn the material and not fall behind. You don't have to be an expert, just an initial quick pass because you have open notes, discussion and texts. It is definitely not standard PBL and more like mini-quizzes every day with the doctors elaborating on concepts and simplifying info. After a couple weeks, it becomes VERY low-stress and does not feel like quizzes at all - just a nice way to get a couple practice questions in to see what's important for a tests.

I agree with teres, I would not count on the NJ or Staten locations if you're not a Harlem student. Also, you can take multiple thousands of dollars off the estimated COA. I have an average rent way above other people in my class and took out $7k less than suggested and live more than comfortably.

 

[common man]

. I have an average rent way above other people in my class and took out $7k less than suggested and live more than comfortably.

1. Did you live by yourself and have reasonable rent?
2. Do notes / handouts from professors cover everything you need to know for exams? Do you have to use textbooks?
3. Can you speed up lectures? How many hours of lecture a day? How many days in a week must you be on campus?

 

[DrEnderW]

Good questions.

1. I do not live by myself and no rent is reasonable in Manhattan haha. You need to budget $750-1250 depending on where you want to live. Things can change with 1br vs studio and is dependent on how many roommates you have. Of course, if you live with a significant other or are married it is cheaper.

2. The iTunes lectures cover essentially 100% of the material you are tested for. This material is duplicated in ppt slides for convenience as well. Some classes you can get by with only doing lecture and other classes demand you consult outside sources to get other materials. Anatomy is one of these classes - you need at atlas, a source of practice questions, and BRS Anatomy is essentially a requirement. Personally, I do all the textbook readings for histo, biochem, and physio as well as BRS for those subjects. Others only do lecture and supplement with books if they have trouble areas.

3. I watch lectures between 1.5 and 2.0x speed - this obviously makes things go way faster and is a better use of time compared to in class lecture. Monday is test day (no test = no class), Tuesday you have four 50 minute iClicker sessions, Wednesday is 3 hours, Thursday is long with OMM lab, histo lab, and anatomy lab (8 hour day), Friday is 3 hours. In other words, I'm home at noon everyday but Thursday. If your not a morning person (8am-12pm), you can do the afternoon group which has the same breakup but is 1pm-5pm. You will be on campus 4-5 days a week first semester M1, no class on Fri second semester I believe. I've never came in on the weekends or evenings.

 

[Valkyrie927]

Thank you SO MUCH for the info!

I'd like to add for that I lived over in Yorkville (bt East Harlem and Upper East Side for those who don't know the area) and rented a studio for $1,200/month for several years. I tried to be frugal and my cost of living was under 20k a year. If you don't mind sharing a 2 or 3 br you would save much more. The $300k seems pretty high to me.