Touro COM - New York (TouroCOM-NY) Discussion Thread 2013 - 2014

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Pretty solid write up by teres and valkyrie.

I'll expand on a couple of things for everyone. The 2013 match list does have matches in those locations - I think it's the most impressive match list so far but not for those reasons. It's really not a great gauge to judge if people matched to NYU or Columbia, for example. It's absolutely no problem for DOs to match at well known hospitals in certain specialties. Half of the faculty at those two schools for PM&R are DOs. Those students may not even be the most competitive that matched there. Looking at highly competitive AOA matches would be a better gauge. With that being said, judging match lists isn't the best practice because interests can very so much year to year. For example, if I got a 270 on the USMLE I would never do an IM residency at Johns Hopkins because I have no interest in that field and would rather do an AOA general surgery residency - a match at a no name program. The lowest AOA ortho match last year had a higher board score than the highest score that matched psych.

There are definitely tests essentially every Monday after the first few weeks pass. A couple times a semester you'll have 2 on a Monday, but usually it's one subject. In addition, about once or twice a month, you'll have an OMM or Physical Diagnosis practical on Wed/Thurs. Those are 10 minutes long. There's two sides to this testing set up. Starting with the negative, it is intense and you're always studying for an exam. I take 1 day off of medicine about every 6 weeks. However, this forces you to really stay on top of the material and make sure you are learning. It's no secret they try to keep the pressure up to mimic the constant pace of residency and rotations. There is GPA and class rank and those that put in the effort consistently will be rewarded. Even those with less work ethic are forced to keep pace and learn the material (this is also where clickers come in - I'll expand on that later). That's a good thing when you're taking out a $300k bet on yourself. The overlap between classes first year is negligible and should be this way IMO. It's pure cramming of basic sciences and linking a biochemistry lecture about a secretion isn't going to help you learn how an artery splits through the same structure in anatomy. In second year, things move more to systems - renal, cardio/pulm, etc. Tests are seriously decreased at that time - about once a month. In summary, I like the curriculum setup but the testing system is very intense, especially if you are aiming for top of the class. This may not be for everyone but clearly has some upside.

The general format is watch the iTunes lecture the night or two before and come to class the next day. There's a 50 minute session where you are presented questions and click in an answer. After you put your initial answer (ungraded), there's a 2 min discussion with whoever is sitting by you or a chance to consult your notes and textbook. Your second answer is graded and you do roughly 10 questions per class. The questions are difficult and allow the professors to teach concepts by explaining right and wrong answers. Again, this forces you to learn the material and not fall behind. You don't have to be an expert, just an initial quick pass because you have open notes, discussion and texts. It is definitely not standard PBL and more like mini-quizzes every day with the doctors elaborating on concepts and simplifying info. After a couple weeks, it becomes VERY low-stress and does not feel like quizzes at all - just a nice way to get a couple practice questions in to see what's important for a tests.

I agree with teres, I would not count on the NJ or Staten locations if you're not a Harlem student. Also, you can take multiple thousands of dollars off the estimated COA. I have an average rent way above other people in my class and took out $7k less than suggested and live more than comfortably.

The rotation resources and this are very helpful! Thanks!

I am curious, though -- how often do people fall behind the curriculum, rendering the quiz time basically useless?
I am just imagining sitting through a quiz when I am not caught up, then having a (possibly confused) student try to explain something to me in two minutes, lose points, then have to be reminded how behind I am for the next 50 minutes, rinse and repeat for that day.
 
I interviewed here recently and thought I’d give my opinion on the day and school.

You are interviewed by 2 faculty members. There are some general questions (Why DO, medicine, primary care, etc.). They also ask different questions based on your application because the interview is open file. Be ready to talk about weaknesses on your application. My interviewers seemed a bit detached/cold as they interviewed me, but when I started asking questions, it seemed like they really opened up. As soon as I answered a question, another one was asked at a rapid pace. The other people with my interviewers did not have the same experience as I did, but there was no good cop, bad cop games going on with my interviewers. Know your application well, prepare for some of the questions from the ”Interview Feedback” section of this website, and you should do fine. I had a few of those pop up in my interview. No ethical questions.

Lectures are recorded and available on iTunesU for you to watch before you go in for clicker sessions. Clicker sessions are interesting, and I have mixed feelings about them, but you should decide based on your interview experience. It is an interesting curriculum, and honestly, I think this is what PBL should be. The curriculum is not systems based, although there are claims that there is overlap among courses (physiology, biochemistry, anatomy, etc.). The aspect of the curriculum that I least like was that there are tests/quizzes nearly every Monday. For some people, it may be good, and for others, maybe not.

For information about the clinical years, one of the deans came in to talk to us. They were really trying to sell the Middletown campus. Rotations for Middletown are at ORMC and other hospitals in that area. Harlem rotations are throughout NY, NJ, and there’s 1 site in Philadelphia. The minimum number of people per rotation site is 10 and max is ~50 (in NJ consortium). They claimed that 95% of students got their first choice rotation site. They use a lottery system to assign rotation sites. You stay at each site (or area) for the 3rd year. 4th year has a lot of electives, so you don’t necessarily stay in any one area, unless you want to. The website says there are 6 months of elective rotations in 4th year. From my memory, here are some numbers of students at each rotation site, as of now: 10 at ORMC, ~12 in Philadelphia (not sure about this one), 12 at Southampton, 22 in Staten Island University Hospital, ~50 in NJ. I can’t remember the rest of the sites and numbers, but you get the picture. It was mentioned that some Middletown students MAY be able to rotate with the Harlem students, but I wouldn’t count on it.

The claims about residency matching sounded absurd to me (not in a good way). They were throwing around big names (Mayo Clinic, Johns Hopkins, Cleveland Clinic, Columbia, NYU), but based on the 2 match lists I’ve seen for this school, very few people match at such places. I haven’t been able to find the most recent (2013) match list. Of course, match lists don’t tell everything, but I’d recommend being somewhat skeptical about some of the claims. Having a single person match at a place like Johns Hopkins out of a class of 135 for 3 classes in a row does not deserve bragging rights, in my opinion. They were also parading their 100% match rate for the most recent class, but this number does not necessarily mean too much to me. At a lot of the more competitive MD schools, people choose to take a year off for research, for example. I would suggest that you really think about each claim that you hear (at every school) on interview day. Remember, they're trying to sell the school to you as much as you're trying to sell yourself to the school.

The interview day felt VERY disorganized to me. Lots of wasted time in the beginning and end, and this was not a good impression on me. There wasn’t much information given, considering the length of the interview day. I wish we had more time to talk to students, particularly 2nd, 3rd, or 4th year students. All in all, I honestly feel like they didn’t sell themselves well (to me), and I’m hesitant about the school. After all, if you take out the entire COA (not everyone does), you will have ~$310k in loans. The Middletown campus was slightly attractive to me because of the affiliations with ORMC and lower cost of living, but the main reason I applied here was because of the focus on urban, underserved populations. All in all, if I was accepted here, I’d have to think long and hard about it. But, as of right now I’m not terribly excited.

So are those numbers for rotation sites, caps on rotation capacity?
 
I am curious, though -- how often do people fall behind the curriculum, rendering the quiz time basically useless?
I am just imagining sitting through a quiz when I am not caught up, then having a (possibly confused) student try to explain something to me in two minutes, lose points, then have to be reminded how behind I am for the next 50 minutes, rinse and repeat for that day.

It's sometimes inevitable. I do the lectures about about 90% of the time. More important classes like anatomy you're sure to do every time. Sometimes for Physical Diagnosis or OMM you look over the slides for 15 mins at breakfast and on the subway and that's enough. Even if you skip watching lectures (sometimes you truly have to do this for a mental health break) you can look up the info during the discussion periods. The truly meaningful part isn't seeing if you're right or wrong or gauging how much you know. Knowing nitty-gritty details for lecture material 5 weeks before an exam will be lost before the test anyways. The value is seeing what your prof thinks is important, learning how questions are asked, seeing if you're learning the material deep enough, and getting explanations on the incorrect answer choices. You can get As on the quizzes without doing the lectures if you can look up the material fast for some classes but this is doing yourself a disservice. Sometimes it worth it to study for other upcoming tests - You have thousands of iClicker points per class/per semester so getting some wrong is a non-issue.

Med school is just insane though and it's crazy what people do. You can go from studying well over 12 hours a day for anatomy for 5 days straight, take the 3hr exam and 1hr practical on Monday, and there will be students that go home and crush all the lecture material for Tuesday until after midnight when they get home from the exam. All depends on how you want to play it.
 
Hi guys! Random question, but does anyone know when Touro has their white coat ceremony? Is it in the first year?
 
I interview in the morning session on the 20th ! I personally was pretty impressed with the facilities on the inside, and the faculty were all welcoming.

I wouldn't say the interview was very laid back, it was around a 7 on stress scale out of 10. I was very comfortable with it because i don't let stress get to me, so I wasn't worried and it went well, but a few of the others who interviewed in my group said that they got grilled pretty hard. The students that I talked to all said the same things as DrEnderW, lots of work, iTunesU is awesome and such.

I am pretty anxious to hear back from them !
 
DrEnderW-

Thanks for your detailed responses. I greatly appreciate you taking the time to answer questions!
 
Is it too late to complete a secondary application here? I received it in September but was banking on getting an acceptance from previous interviews, (didn't happen).
 
Hello everyone. I got an interview invite from the school. My stats are 2.9 sGPA, 3.15 cGPA, and 30 MCAT. Did anyone with similar stats get an interview invite?
 
I don't think it is too late. The school gives each application a ranking based on initial review. Then, every week a list is sent out of those who they want to interview.
 
Congrats! What was your MCAT breakdown? Are you URM?
Thanks. It was 11, 8, 11. I am technically considered "white" but indicated in my personal statement that I am Middle-Eastern.
 
Thanks. It was 11, 8, 11. I am technically considered "white" but indicated in my personal statement that I am Middle-Eastern.
I indicated on my application that I am interested in the MS program if not accepted. I am afraid they gave me an interview simply to add me to their MS program.
 
Hey does anyone know how long it takes for one to receive an interview invite after submitting secondaries. Idk if it helps but I have a 3.5/3.4 and a 31
 
Waitlisted today ! disappointed to not be accepted straight out, but not the end of the world, hopefully there is a lot of movement ! Can anyone comment on that ?

Interviewed on 20/11/2013
DAT TURNAROUND TIME THO
 
Did anyone get accepted without having a location preference (Middletown/Harlem)? if so, were you accepted into both or did the admissions committee choose the campus?
 
ACCEPTED!!

interviewed 11/20 and thought it went terribly, but I guess it's true that you really never know what the interviewers are thinking.

Don't lose hope people. We're gonna be doctors!

😀
 
So I am working on completing the secondary application for Touro NY, and I am finding myself a little frustraded. Did anyone else find their form to be a little wacky? The boxes are often not really big enough for what they are asking and if you fill it out in PDF forms then you can't see the whole thing when you print it. I am a bit of a tech nerd and these sort of things annoy me. I feel like they should pay me $200 to reformat their form! Alternately, they could have accepted electronic files and made everyones life easier...

Sorry, grumbling over.
 
ACCEPTED!!

interviewed 11/20 and thought it went terribly, but I guess it's true that you really never know what the interviewers are thinking.

Don't lose hope people. We're gonna be doctors!

😀

Glad to hear this! Congrats! Are you accepted to Harlem or Middletown?
 
ACCEPTED!!

interviewed 11/20 and thought it went terribly, but I guess it's true that you really never know what the interviewers are thinking.

Don't lose hope people. We're gonna be doctors!

😀
Congrats! why did you think the interview went badly?
 
You can't be accepted to both campuses. At the interview, you state your preference of campus and whether or not you'd like to be considered for both. If you are accepted to your first choice, you are not considered for the second choice. If you are rejected from your first choice, you will be considered by your second choice. If waitlisted by your first choice, I'm not sure what happens, although I'd bet they wouldn't put you on the waitlist without first considering you for your second choice.
Thanks for the info. I had called the office when I was first applying and I was told that an applicant will be considered for only the campus they choose, unless they select both.
 
ACCEPTED!!

interviewed 11/20 and thought it went terribly, but I guess it's true that you really never know what the interviewers are thinking.

Don't lose hope people. We're gonna be doctors!

😀

Congratulations! What did I tell you? 🙂
 
For those of you that got accepted, do you have to make your decision within 2 weeks after you get admitted?
 
For those of you that got accepted, do you have to make your decision within 2 weeks after you get admitted?
No, which confused me. I have until Jan 10 to submit the deposit.

I'm surfing SDN on T-day while I bake apple pie. smh.
 
No, which confused me. I have until Jan 10 to submit the deposit.

I'm surfing SDN on T-day while I bake apple pie. smh.

So they give you around 2 months to make the decision if you get accepted? I am wondering if I should postpone my interview because I'm currently applying some foreign medical schools and their results won't come out until May.
 
I understand that. I would just like to know what programs they offer at Touro for their medical students. Are there distinct programs and/or trainings that students can decide from? How are the students trained to serve underserved populations?

Good question. With the pace and breadth of medical school, especially the VERY fast pace of Touro NY, there isn't a huge amount of time to dedicate to any mission statement but there are some opportunities.

Weekly, there is a 2hr opportunity to have underprivileged HS students on campus where there's a structured program to mentor them in pursuing a medical career.

There are multiple community health fairs ran by the school in Harlem that allow M1/M2s to take blood pressures, do diabetes screening, give free flu shots, and provide many other services to the underserved populous. Not surprisingly, there is a lot of mental heath counseling. There is a clinic right in the heart of Harlem that is ran by doctors associated with Touro and there are opportunities to shadow and work with the physicians there.

Although not medical, there are weekly opportunities to provide food for those in need as well. I do all three of these programs and find it very rewarding.

Aside from rotations being in urban areas and some lectures about underserved medicine, this is all I'm aware of so far. I'm sure more things will come to my knowledge as time progresses. The faculty and admin are very passionate and involved with the school's role in Harlem.
 
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So they give you around 2 months to make the decision if you get accepted? I am wondering if I should postpone my interview because I'm currently applying some foreign medical schools and their results won't come out until May.

Students are accepted to the school almost weekly and every week that passes decreases the spots available. Interviewing early is a substantial advantage at every medical school. There are not 135 seats for incoming students - 35 of those are reserved for current Masters students.

Unless you're trying to practice medicine in the foreign country you're applying to, I think you should do more research on the future of GME in the US and reassess the foreign med school plan.
 
So they give you around 2 months to make the decision if you get accepted? I am wondering if I should postpone my interview because I'm currently applying some foreign medical schools and their results won't come out until May.
Interview as early as possible. As we get later in the cycle, people only have 2 weeks after being accepted to submit the deposit and your chances of acceptance are less. Personally, I would not recommend applying to foreign medical schools if you're not planning on practicing there, as DrEnderW said.
 
DrEnderW, could you talk about the M1 curriculum? Having exams every week is somewhat daunting, but I understand that having less frequent tests can also be tough in other ways. Do you think it is conducive to more retention of the material, or is it just more pressure? I'm assuming that the material from each subject is somewhat synergistic and builds on the other classes, so it's different than having an exam in undergrad every week from unrelated classes. Are the tests generally focused on "big picture concepts", or do they like to ask about smaller details? Is the curriculum split into "classes", and how does that work?

Lastly, what are your thoughts on the summer anatomy class that is offered? Did you or anyone you know take it? Is there a benefit to doing so?

Thanks for participating in this thread! It's been very helpful.
 
DrEnderW, could you talk about the M1 curriculum? Having exams every week is somewhat daunting, but I understand that having less frequent tests can also be tough in other ways. Do you think it is conducive to more retention of the material, or is it just more pressure? I'm assuming that the material from each subject is somewhat synergistic and builds on the other classes, so it's different than having an exam in undergrad every week from unrelated classes. Are the tests generally focused on "big picture concepts", or do they like to ask about smaller details? Is the curriculum split into "classes", and how does that work?

Lastly, what are your thoughts on the summer anatomy class that is offered? Did you or anyone you know take it? Is there a benefit to doing so?

Thanks for participating in this thread! It's been very helpful.

My pleasure!

You're absolutely correct in thinking that the frequency of exams can be daunting and high pressure. However, I can imagine having huge block exams with a ton of integrated subjects to be high pressure as well. Any way you cut it, med school is just a ton of information that has to be shoveled in and tested somehow.

Here's my take on it... The schedule is VERY manageable to do average at. The exams are focused enough that I truly feel every student should be able to get a B if they put the time and effort in. The curriculum is incredibly straightforward and small minutia isn't really tested. If you know all the high yield material from the lectures and board prep books you can get an A on every exam. With that being said, very few students do but my point is that it is a very clear-cut curriculum and they test things you will want to know as a future physician. The difference from getting average grades and top of the class requires colossal commitment differences, however. You are truly rewarded if you are able to learn all the information while juggling multiple subjects at once.

I'm not sure about long term retention yet - I'm planning on a comprehensive review of all the material I've seen so far over winter break so I may be able to answer your question better then. That's a very perceptive concern and something I hadn't considered before beginning medical school. It's a concern every med student (regardless of institution) has and is something I am concerned about now as well. It's very hard to get ahead and see material for a couple weeks before the exams. However, one way they get around this is the iClicker quizzes on the iTunes lecture videos. Before you begin studying for an exam, you've always watched a video about all the subjects and have taken a small quiz on it. That's your first and second pass at the material. For that reason, studying for an exam can be less daunting.

The curriculum is split into distinct classes. The first semester course list is: anatomy, biochem, physio, histology, OMM, physical diagnosis, professionalism (1 credit). Second semester swaps anatomy for neuroscience and immunology and professionalism becomes ethics. Second year is more of a systems based curriculum with less testing - for example there would be a cardio/pulm block test. This allows for more long term studying as you prepare for Step 1.

As for anatomy, it's hands down the most difficult class because of the quantity of info. It's 10 credits and if your organic chem plus lab was 5 credits it is easily twice as much material as that. It is one of the best taught classes I have ever experienced and I think the doctor giving the lectures is phenomenal. I did not take summer anatomy and did not take anatomy in undergrad and was able to do exceedingly well in the course. I would take the class only if you will be in NYC for the summer already and have parents willing to pay the $1000 plus rent. It's helpful for the first exam only is what I've heard from students that took it. I can imagine it takes a significant amount of pressure off first semester but it is by no means a requisite for success.

PM me (and everyone else reading as well) if you want more elaboration or details.
 
For those who already interviewed, were there any questions concerning Obama Care during the interview?

Thanks
 
DrEnderW, thanks a lot for that! Very helpful information.

For those who already interviewed, were there any questions concerning Obama Care during the interview?

Thanks
I didn't have any, but someone who interviewed with the same interviewers I had, did. It may not come up, but be prepared just in case it does. I've had it asked at other interviews, and having a thought out answer is essential, just like the other common questions (why DO, medicine, etc.). Also, I would recommend calling it by the formal name: the Affordable Care Act.
 
DrEnderW, thanks a lot for that! Very helpful information.


I didn't have any, but someone who interviewed with the same interviewers I had, did. It may not come up, but be prepared just in case it does. I've had it asked at other interviews, and having a thought out answer is essential, just like the other common questions (why DO, medicine, etc.). Also, I would recommend calling it by the formal name: the Affordable Care Act.
Thanks!
 
I have any interview on Monday 10:30AM. How large will the interview group be? Where will I be interviewing? I have tried to add a link to Google Streetview of the address:

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I have any interview on Monday 10:30AM. How large will the interview group be? Where will I be interviewing? I have tried to add a link to Google Streetview of the address:

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Interviewed here 11/25. Really enjoyed the school, the area, and the staff. Being able to talk to a 2nd year student during the school tour was particularly helpful. My group was about 15 people or so. Let me know if you have any questions.
 
just came back from the interview...I give myself a B / B+ for my interview performance. I got lucky because my interviewers were extremely friendly and laid back. no stress. i'm very impressed with the school. great curriculum, great location.
 
Any IIs recently?
Been complete since mid November and nothing yet.
 
Any IIs recently?
Been complete since mid November and nothing yet.
Just received ii. Complete early November, choice of interview dates in mid December. Hope that helps!
 
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