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[mizchiefmanaged]

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What exactly do you want me to explain?

Has MPM revealed something to you? Have the mods revealed something to you? Has MPM used her role on you? I don't need to know what she is/what she's claiming to do or be. I just want to know that you have real reason to believe that she isn't the 'dark' person who blocked me the other night, or if you believe she could be the dark blocker.

Because right now MPM is the only logical straw I have to grasp at.

 

[mypetmoose]

I'd like barky to explain a bit more, or I'd like MPM to explain a bit more. Especially since right now this is the only real, solid 'proof' of sorts that I have available that's different from minor feelz. I'll switch my vote off if there's any sort of evidence or confirmation that MPM wasn't the one that blocked me.

Well. I don't have proof, but last night I was also attacked. I didn't die, but I was badly burnt, and wasn't able to complete my action because of it.

 

[mypetmoose]

Well. I don't have proof, but last night I was also attacked. I didn't die, but I was badly burnt, and wasn't able to complete my action because of it.

Also, I highly doubt I'd be called "dark" more likely "big", or "clumsy"

 

[mypetmoose]

Was this you @mypetmoose?

It was not. I don't know what my message would be, but I'm described as large and strong and clumsy

 

[Animal Midwife]

I'm going to

Lynch Coffee?

because I'm still waiting on those reads.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Day 3 Unofficial Lynch Tally

koffee (3) - genny, pippy, AM
Stagg (1) - zigjaz
miz (2) - lawpy, Barks
SAR (1) - grebes
genny (1) - Mel
Mel (1) - emmy
mpm (1) - miz

10/29

Deadline 10pm est (~6.5 hours)

 

[SARdoghandler]

So of the people we're able to vote for today, I have wolfy points for Coffee, Em, Allie, Genny, Mel, and Skim with that list being in approximate order of most sketchy to least sketchy. MPM is still on my radar, but willing to leave that alone for now.

Lynch coffee

Her participation feels different than I'm used to. Normally within a few posts I can be like "Yep, that's village Coffee." and I'm just not getting that same feeling so far this game.

 

[StartingoverVet]

Are you someone who doesn't like mechanics talk and speculation? It was a brief conversation last night that really hasn't carried over to today. Don't really see what the big issue is to quickly speculate on the role flip and come to the conclusion that we need more information.

I love mechanic talk and speculation. This just seems so obvious that discussion seems superfluous.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Lynch genny

Could back a SAR vote and to a much lesser extent a Jboo vote.

Why SAR and jboo?

 

[mizchiefmanaged]

Something about MPM being burnt last night isn't sitting well with me, considering that WZ was essentially killed by being burnt last night. I find it unlikely that there would be able to be two attacks using the same mechanic in one night.

 

[ziggyandjazzy]

I like to think I am an open minded person. What do you think about the question I asked about Doggo's ability? Specifically, how might that align with your definition of antagonist?

She could listen in on pack PMs. If she could deduce or knew who was in them, she would be able to tell other antagonists who not to attack, for fear of getting killed themselves or having the kill fail.

Hey so I got delayed n1 results. What do you guys think about a silver dude who forces role names from players?

I also think there’s an item thief around, so keep a close eye on your stuff.

I know you have done this in the past, but why? People screamed at mutts last game for outing something similar, but you are doing it here.

I'm going back through my reads and iso-ing some things, so please bear with me if my thoughts through the start of today are a bit all over the place

@emlady09 Want to contribute literally anything other than a completely unjustified vote today? Because you're not seeming like your usual self to me based on that

I agree she needs to contribute more but disagree that this doesn't align with her meta.

However, I would also appreciate if she wouldn't put a vote in with 1 minute left in Lynch that I believe tied it between 3 players.

 

[Barkley13]

Something about MPM being burnt last night isn't sitting well with me, considering that WZ was essentially killed by being burnt last night. I find it unlikely that there would be able to be two attacks using the same mechanic in one night.

There were two attacks the first night too

 

[Animal Midwife]

There were two attacks the first night too

There were three last night.

 

[Animal Midwife]

She could listen in on pack PMs. If she could deduce or knew who was in them, she would be able to tell other antagonists who not to attack, for fear of getting killed themselves or having the kill fail.

She could also do vice versa.

 

[ziggyandjazzy]

Consider this. Because I was attacked by a dark presence that blocked me. I was unable to use night actions last night due to the block performed on me the previous night.

I'm saying that it's worth looking into a blocker and if we know who a blocker is there's a decent chance they're the 'dark presence' blocker that blocked me. This isn't related to my 'wolfiness' at all, although if we'd like to go down that road I've already vouched my ability to my group.

This is a large game. There is a definite possibility that there is a protagonistic blocker and an antagonistic blocker. Regardless of affiliation, blockers are roles that I feel hinder the village more often than helping the village. That's just my personal opinion on that.

For the moment,
Lynch MPM

You changed your vote off of MPM yesterday, correct? Did you not consider at the time that she may have been the person blocking you the previous night? Why not speak up about this at that point?

 

[SARdoghandler]

I agree she needs to contribute more but disagree that this doesn't align with her meta.

Does she usually just drop a vote with no justification and not contribute anything else? I know she's not a crazy active player, but I felt like I've seen her contribute thoughts more often than she did over the past two days? I may be misremembering the games she and I have played together

 

[allieh8607]

I know you have done this in the past, but why? People screamed at mutts last game for outing something similar, but you are doing it here.

Are you referring to "outing" night results, or "outing" particular roles?

 

[emlady09]

She could listen in on pack PMs. If she could deduce or knew who was in them, she would be able to tell other antagonists who not to attack, for fear of getting killed themselves or having the kill fail.


I know you have done this in the past, but why? People screamed at mutts last game for outing something similar, but you are doing it here.

I agree she needs to contribute more but disagree that this doesn't align with her meta.

However, I would also appreciate if she wouldn't put a vote in with 1 minute left in Lynch that I believe tied it between 3 players.

Doggos lynch happened within 5 minutes. I wasn’t trying to make a tie.

 

[CoffeeQuestionMark]

@mypetmoose who did you block N1?

 

[emlady09]

FYI going to be MIA the rest of the night my flight leaving now.

Also, I do think something is up with Mpm with the whole blocking thing. So for now

###unlynch mel###
###lynch mpm###

 

[CoffeeQuestionMark]

If anyone has seen something I posted and wondered if it was a coincidence, note that it wasnt. That's all I have to say on that.

 

[mizchiefmanaged]

You changed your vote off of MPM yesterday, correct? Did you not consider at the time that she may have been the person blocking you the previous night? Why not speak up about this at that point?

I literally didn't even register until earlier today that MPM was claiming to be a blocker of sorts. Someone had to mention it in our group chat today for me to even realize, which I feel kinda dumb about.

 

[genny]

I know you have done this in the past, but why? People screamed at mutts last game for outing something similar, but you are doing it here.

So I like to put info out there. I know others would rather play it closer, but if I end up dead, all that stuff dies with me. And we usually end up outing it eventually anyway when we get super desperate because we haven’t lynched any wolves so I just like to get it out of the way. I’m terrible at keeping secrets. At least the ones that might be detrimental to village.

I don’t remember why what mutts did was different than this; I’ll have to check later when I’m near a computer.

 

[mizchiefmanaged]

There were three last night.

I don't believe that the knight getting grievously injured was due to an attack on the knight, and I have reasons for that I'd rather not bring up yet. I'll go back and re-read the first day's summary.

 

[Stagg737]

Going to try and address things at least a little throughout the day. I will be behind, but want to get my thoughts out there when I can.

If one is to assume you are of the wolfy persuasion, you did not "tie yourself down" to any suspects yesterday morning, thus allowing you to choose whomever is convenient for you today.

How the heck was I supposed to place a vote yesterday morning when I hadn't been on and was caught up? There have also been people who are actually playing who are either not justifying their votes or providing flimsy rationale, so I'm finding it shady that you're calling me out for this when I wasn't around. I still want an answer to my previous question.

@Stagg737 Why did dubz die?

@CoffeeQuestionMark Who are you suspecting so far?

@mypetmoose What are your thoughts today?

I have no idea. Why are you asking only me?

How would that start a chaos hunt? That makes no sense

It's pretty relevant because it has a large impact on VCA, Emmy's vote in particular.
@emlady09 what are your reads?

###lynch stagg##

Why?

Basically, if I had stayed on Stagg, it would've looked weird, and apparently not staying on Stagg looked weird.

I really don't like the whole series of voting explanation that went with this post. If you were defending me earlier and thought I was village why vote for me? Even with the tie mechanics and not wanting 2 people to die, if you think both are village why not vote somewhere else? Or did you genuinely feel like I was the sketchiest person out of MPM, Mel, and Zigs?

So just to answer this, I did not want to bandwagon you. However, after saying that, two players who cannot talk to us both hinted that they think you were fishy for some reason. Since my reason for Mel was flimsy at best, and in previous games, the people who couldn't talk almost always were right when they tried to communicate with us, I felt like that was good enough to vote for you. I switched back at the end because Ms. P said she thinks you were being fishy but that she was uncomfortable. So that collapsed my theory that they must know something, which put me right back to the beginning, and I didn't want to vote for someone I had no feels about.

Cubs is probably still pissed off from last game when I basically just threw the game for village by lynching him on the last day because I was neutral and my win condition was to just last to endgame. Idk if he actually sees something he doesn't like, but unless I hear from him I'm not putting much stock in that. Ms. P said she thought I was fishy (I am a Staggikarp) but I wasn't even around at that point, so why exactly did she think I was fishy? I know she's got that restriction, but I can't think of any good reasons why she'd think that and she even said she was uncomfortable with it. Fair enough though.

We've got a lynch on the table and 20+ pages. What are your feels/reads now?

I stayed with you because you coming in and saying that the vote was lazy and not really anything else wasn’t enough to get me to move especially when I didn’t really have strong feelings on anyone else at that point

So your strongest feelings so far were for someone who hadn't been active? You really had no sketchy feelings at all towards anyone else even after people moved off of MPM? If so, then why me? Why not EM who had a grand total of 2 posts and 7 total words at that time? Do you understand why I'm having such a big problem with your logic right now?

 

[CoffeeQuestionMark]

Going to try and address things at least a little throughout the day. I will be behind, but want to get my thoughts out there when I can.



How the heck was I supposed to place a vote yesterday morning when I hadn't been on and was caught up? There have also been people who are actually playing who are either not justifying their votes or providing flimsy rationale, so I'm finding it shady that you're calling me out for this when I wasn't around. I still want an answer to my previous question.



I have no idea. Why are you asking only me?



Why?



I really don't like the whole series of voting explanation that went with this post. If you were defending me earlier and thought I was village why vote for me? Even with the tie mechanics and not wanting 2 people to die, if you think both are village why not vote somewhere else? Or did you genuinely feel like I was the sketchiest person out of MPM, Mel, and Zigs?



Cubs is probably still pissed off from last game when I basically just threw the game for village by lynching him on the last day because I was neutral and my win condition was to just last to endgame. Idk if he actually sees something he doesn't like, but unless I hear from him I'm not putting much stock in that. Ms. P said she thought I was fishy (I am a Staggikarp) but I wasn't even around at that point, so why exactly did she think I was fishy? I know she's got that restriction, but I can't think of any good reasons why she'd think that and she even said she was uncomfortable with it. Fair enough though.

We've got a lynch on the table and 20+ pages. What are your feels/reads now?



So your strongest feelings so far were for someone who hadn't been active? You really had no sketchy feelings at all towards anyone else even after people moved off of MPM? If so, then why me? Why not EM who had a grand total of 2 posts and 7 total words at that time? Do you understand why I'm having such a big problem with your logic right now?

Because you at the time had created a tie. My goal, with 2 minutes left, was to not have two dead, and I elected to vote the person who had created the tie and was willing to risk that. I would've stayed on mpm otherwise. Like I said, once it wasn't tied, I moved off. If I really wanted to vote you, I wouldn't have moved off.

 

[Stagg737]

So it took me 40 minutes to make that above post because actual patient things keep coming up at work.

Lynch Coffee

Because I don't like the reasoning for her voting pattern yesterday.

Also feeling sketchy about Capri, Barks, and MPM right now. Yes, MPM made the ability claim, but that's not an inherently village ability and given the rest of her behavior yesterday she's still on the sketchy side imo.

 

[CoffeeQuestionMark]

So it took me 40 minutes to make that above post because actual patient things keep coming up at work.

Lynch Coffee

Because I don't like the reasoning for her voting pattern yesterday.

Also feeling sketchy about Capri, Barks, and MPM right now. Yes, MPM made the ability claim, but that's not an inherently village ability and given the rest of her behavior yesterday she's still on the sketchy side imo.

Interesting because I gave the same explanation this morning before you said you didn't want to vote there.

 

[Stagg737]

Because you at the time had created a tie. My goal, with 2 minutes left, was to not have two dead, and I elected to vote the person who had created the tie and was willing to risk that. I would've stayed on mpm otherwise. Like I said, once it wasn't tied, I moved off. If I really wanted to vote you, I wouldn't have moved off.

Yea, I created the tie because I was otherwise very likely to die for sure and I know I'm not a wolf. Looking back if I had died I would have been fine with MPM going down with me as she's on my wolfy list. So I'll stand by that vote looking at it both in retrospect and in real time.

 

[Stagg737]

Interesting because I gave the same explanation this morning before you said you didn't want to vote there.

Huh?

 

[CoffeeQuestionMark]

Yea, I created the tie because I was otherwise very likely to die for sure and I know I'm not a wolf. Looking back if I had died I would have been fine with MPM going down with me as she's on my wolfy list. So I'll stand by that vote looking at it both in retrospect and in real time.

But you don't think ZJ is a wolf. So you would've been ok with 2 villagers dying?

 

[CoffeeQuestionMark]

Caught up and have some other thoughts:

The early game feels like a mess. A lot of random posts and irrelevant stuff imo, but there were a few things that pinged me which I can't remember off the top of my head. Will try and skim tomorrow and find them if I still feel like they're relevant.

Thoughts on specific players:

MPM feels sketchy to me. A lot of posts asking questions like "X person, what do you think about Y person" without really providing much analysis reads. While she did role reveal, I'm not convinced it's necessarily village.

Barks also sketches me out a bit right now. The soft defend of MPM was fine and it makes me lean slightly more village on them as that would be pretty bold for wolves to do. I don't like her reasoning for voting tonight or that she sat on my vote even after MPM seemed to be out of danger. I also didn't like this post:



I had posted a total of 5 times about joke stuff on Sunday (plus a reverie vote for myself) when my life wasn't insane and there were was still 2 days until the vote closed. Seems like grasping for a justification and I think village Barkley usually has more logical reasoning than this. Sketchy leans here.

Coffee? gets sketchy leans because WTH with those votes. Probably wouldn't vote here, but want to look into her overall posts more.

I'm keeping an eye on Lawpy. He was questioning Barks pretty heavily about her vote, but also seemed to be defending me pretty hard. Kind of feels like he's trying to pocket me, so paranoid sketch leans there even though I think a lot of his logic with the lynch vote questions are solid.

@capri1722 , since you asked before those are my most wolfy leans at the moment. Also have some feels for Matty and Mel as I stated above.

Would you like to explain why you voted for me today?

Timing was different but I also gave the same explanation last night. What happened to looking at my overall posts?

 

[Animal Midwife]

I have no idea. Why are you asking only me?

I wanted to see what'd you say.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Coop, like this if you're village reading Stagg.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Coop, like this if you're wolf reading Stagg.

 

[dolphin106258]

I've been working on ISOing people who can be voted for today and a large majority of them haven't posted much to go off of

I was sketched out by ziggy because I felt a lot of her posts weren't really saying anything and some just felt like recaps of the day but I'm not sure I want to go there yet because I always think she's sketchy. I was also side eyeing Miz a bit because of his doggo lynch since the explanation didn't make sense but he apparently got his names mixed up. I'm mostly struggling because I feel like it's been a lot of the same people posting over and over and there's a lot of people who have only posted once or twice or people whose posts are getting buried during to the large number of posts right now.

These were your feels yesterday evening-ish when asked but you felt none were strong enough to move off of stagg who was really just an inactivity/less quality posts vote.

Lynch miz

I don’t like that he jumped on the doggo bandwagon and I don’t like that he kept saying he wasn’t voting for Stagg because he was finding other alternatives but from what I read that never happened

Then today you choose to vote Miz based on some of your earlier feelings around the Doggo stuff i believe along with the resistance to Stagg, so the resistance is what pushed the sketchy over the edge to vote for them today as opposed to yesterday? But Stagg is no longer sketchy to you? Because he’s posting more or is the quality better? I’m not saying we shouldn’t try to encourage people to post more I’m just so confused with your logic and you sitting on the Stagg vote yesterday just did not make me feel good.

 

[mizchiefmanaged]

Getting off of this train of thought a little bit, did anyone get attacked the first night? Either in a fire-and-flames way or a blocked way? Nobody was killed the first night.

I was 'blocked' the first night by a dark figure. Did anyone get blocked by a similar figure or someone else?

 

[Stagg737]

Now that I'm totally caught up:

Unlynch Coffee
Lynch MPM

Because after reading the stuff on the blocking I'm feeling just as comfortable with MPM and that flip will give me more info (on Barks and Miz). I want to go back and iso Coffee a bit more, but right now I'd be okay with a lynch there too.

 

[SARdoghandler]

@Coopah you sad reacted to my vote for Coffee. What's up? Like this if you have good reasons I should not be voting for her. Whatever other reaction you'd like if it was completely unrelated to my vote haha

I feel like I'm playing with a Ouija board right now

 

[dolphin106258]

Lynch Barks

I’ve already explained but if Barks comes back on and answers things I may change. I have to go study for a standardized test...but I’lol be back before close. If you have important things for me just tag me and I’ll try to pay attention.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Lynch Barks

I’ve already explained but if Barks comes back on and answers things I may change. I have to go study for a standardized test...but I’lol be back before close. If you have important things for me just tag me and I’ll try to pay attention.

Did your read on me change?

 

[dolphin106258]

Did your read on me change?

Yes after rereading and your participation today has made me feel better so I’m keeping any paranoia at bay.

 

[CoffeeQuestionMark]

Am I voting already?

Lynch stagg

 

[Lawpy]

Am I voting already?

Lynch stagg

Why? This feels a bit retaliatory

 

[Animal Midwife]

Yes after rereading and your participation today has made me feel better so I’m keeping any paranoia at bay.

I'm just curious because you chose to reverie Barks and now you're lynching her... What about the reread made you feel better? And by participation do you mean amount or quality of posts?

 

[CoffeeQuestionMark]

Why? This feels a bit retaliatory

Why would I vote Stagg of everyone voting for me (which he isn't even anymore)?
Did you not follow where I asked "you're OK with two villagers dying?" In reference to the tie and then he ignored the question completely, and changed his vote right off of me?

 

[dolphin106258]

I'm just curious because you chose to reverie Barks and now you're lynching her... What about the reread made you feel better? And by participation do you mean amount or quality of posts?

Clearly quality as I’ve posted already at Barks about activity basically meaning nothing. I chose to reverie Barks because I usually find her to provide good logic and be good with PR’s and I don’t find her logic to be very good at the moment as I’ve already explained, hence my vote.
Rereading the overall thread in conjunction with how you’re acting today has made me feel like I was allowing residual feelings from last game to color some of my thoughts. So I was trying to not tunnel and focus on other players. If you’d prefer tunneling I’m sure my paranoid side would happily oblige.

 

[mypetmoose]

@mypetmoose who did you block N1?

Well, I actually didn't submit a night action that night... I know this isn't making me look any better. I haven't actually successfully blocked anyone yet...

 

[Navilly]

I am working on a very full write up (people who like character development will like it). Kara is going to be very busy tn, if anyone is willing to help with providing reinforcements for tallies on thread, would be much appreciated 🙂

 

[PippyPony]

So it took me 40 minutes to make that above post because actual patient things keep coming up at work.

Lynch Coffee

Because I don't like the reasoning for her voting pattern yesterday.

Also feeling sketchy about Capri, Barks, and MPM right now. Yes, MPM made the ability claim, but that's not an inherently village ability and given the rest of her behavior yesterday she's still on the sketchy side imo.

Can I get a reads list from you when you get a second? Not paragraph format, a ranked list of village --> wolfy

I feel like you are hedging like woah on your reads today and now you're sheeping my vote.