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CoffeeQuestionMark said:
@Matthew9Thirtyfive

#4 is the biggest. Look through his posts. Where is the wolf hunting? How convenient it is that capri is at the top of his list now
when this was the last read list he posted (Fri)



and yesterday, his only mentioned suspects were Barks & Genny. The last time he mentioned Capri was on Thursday.

and in spite of the fact that he is asking everyone why they are voting for him, he has given no reason to suspect capri
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Also like I here you, and think you’re village and all but #4 is like the only reason that semi makes sense to me so I find it kinda convenient that you are pushing that reason now.
 
dolphin106258 said:
Also like I here you, and think you’re village and all but #4 is like the only reason that semi makes sense to me so I find it kinda convenient that you are pushing that reason now.
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Wut. Why is it "convenient" that she's pushing the strongest argument?
 
Stagg737 said:
Be warned, massive posts incoming.
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WildZoo said:
Sobsob no. I was in your original noob class. Allie was/is my mentor though so you're right there. Trilt was in the noob game the year after me. And TG did come from the lounge but I think I remember his first game and it was after I'd been playing a couple years.
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I think this might be the fifth game I've done. All Lounge games.
 
WildZoo said:
Wut. Why is it "convenient" that she's pushing the strongest argument?
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I didn’t say the strongest argument I said the one that makes a bit of sense. I think the first three were bs which is why I never voted Stagg. He’s just read frustrated villager to me for awhile. I do see some of the argument being made against him now, from others but not coffee. Which is why it just bugs me overall. I’m basically reevaluating since I can’t vote lawpy and Barks is dead and was an antagonist but also died village so I was wrong about her. So here we are.
 
StartingoverVet said:
Stagg: stated above,,strongly anti dark analysis.
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I can see why it comes across this way, but not quite right. I'm not completely opposed to the thought, and I think the phrase "dark" is worth taking a closer look at. However, I thought that lynching SAR solely for that reason was dumb, and that was why a lot of people were lynching her. People like KC or I believe SOV who said they had other reasons were fine. There are too many people sheeping and jumping on on wagons with statements like "I trust Coffee" or "I have a tinfoil theory" without giving any actual reasons.

Meanwhile I'm getting lynched because of self-prez votes and disagreeing that "dark" automatically means someone is a wolf.

Matthew9Thirtyfive said:
I have actually. It was just a speed game.
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I don't count speed games. Completely different set of rules/playstyles.

CoffeeQuestionMark said:
@Matthew9Thirtyfive

#4 is the biggest. Look through his posts. Where is the wolf hunting? How convenient it is that capri is at the top of his list now
when this was the last read list he posted (Fri)



and yesterday, his only mentioned suspects were Barks & Genny. The last time he mentioned Capri was on Thursday.

and in spite of the fact that he is asking everyone why they are voting for him, he has given no reason to suspect capri
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I hadn't mentioned Capri because she had dropped down my list behind Barks, Miz, Lawpy, and Matt. If you want a full list of reads of every player in the game, then I can try, but I've been trying to play and re-evaluate as I go which means where people fall on my list change. Sorry, not sorry.

genny said:
I could see anyone EXCEPT YOU getting away with posting this, and still having it be logical. If you're truly a villager, then my vote switching shouldn't bother you, since I moved the vote away from you (a villager) and onto a known wolf. If you're a villager, you should be really happy there wasn't a tie involving you, and that I had the presence of mind to switch away from you. You shouldn't be complaining about how I voted since I didn't actually vote for you. The only way your indignation makes sense is if you have a guilty wolf conscience, and you're trying to shade me for pulling the vote away from a wolf (you).
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No, this is crap. I was and still am thrilled that you moved your vote off of me, which is why I didn't mention that it was sketchy until after lynch close. But no one else finds it weird that you voted for me and shortly after I questioned you, you jumped back onto SAR to move it away from a tie? Yet I'm shady because I'm calling out your weird behavior?

Yes, it 100% helped me stay alive. Which is great, but it's still shady and felt off and I'm going to point that out.

WildZoo said:
No, a post from genny, a lack of convincing defense from stagg, a point from coffee that actually got my attention, and a memory of a thought I had about the D2 vote a while back
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Lack of convincing defense? Have you blocked out the last 20 pages? Wtf.

WildZoo said:
I went back to look and not only has stagg not mentioned capri since Thursday, that is also the only day he mentioned her as far as I can tell, and it was my bad not looking at the time stamps originally. I am very bothered that today he suddenly has brought her up again, conveniently when she's the potential counterwagon. And I think genny made a pretty great point considering how much stagg has gone on and on about village self preservation and all that.

So, because as sobsob pointed out, I haven't exactly been hitting it out of the park, I decided it might be worthwhile to throw in with those who are having a better game than I am.
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To the bolded, see above. To the "why am I just bringing Capri back up now" question, I had other people higher up in my reads and have had to spend literally almost every day defending myself. I'm bringing Capri back up now because the people I have above her (Matty, Lawpy, Miz before the most recent write-up) are unlynchable, but you can bet your a$$ I'll be lynching the shizz out of Lawpy the second he's available because he is playing the most hedgey sheep game in existence and it screams wolf trying to stay out of the way.

And for those interested, I'll be giving full reasoning for Capri shortly and will be looking into Genny shortly as well.
 
Apologies, was away the entire day yesterday and allergic to mobile SDN. 10+ pages of reading later and we'reeee back.

Melchizedek said:
Can you elaborate? What is it about Jboo that made you decide to look closer at her? What parts of her voting pattern concern you? How does it all translate into being a wolf?
I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, I'm trying to understand your logic so we can evaluate you.
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Of course. From what I noticed, I felt that jboo would often latch on to an existing idea/read and run with it as though she had been thinking the exact same thing all along, e.g. saying stuff like "I was wondering if anyone else was thinking this as well." That isn't incriminating on its own, but it leaves a bad taste and was largely why I was concerned.

Lawper said:
Adding to this, would also be interested to know more from @Skimble @PrincessButterCup @dolphin106258 @Jahboi @ThoracicGuy
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Mainly been observing until I have something definitive, here are my current watches:
Stagg, miz, SOV, em/Thoracic, jboo

Gonna read through some more posts and compile voting records, will return with more thoughts.
 
genny said:
I could see anyone EXCEPT YOU getting away with posting this, and still having it be logical. If you're truly a villager, then my vote switching shouldn't bother you, since I moved the vote away from you (a villager) and onto a known wolf. If you're a villager, you should be really happy there wasn't a tie involving you, and that I had the presence of mind to switch away from you. You shouldn't be complaining about how I voted since I didn't actually vote for you. The only way your indignation makes sense is if you have a guilty wolf conscience, and you're trying to shade me for pulling the vote away from a wolf (you).
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Trilt said:
Explain why you think it's ****ty?
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genny said:
Try taking your head out of your ass, and then read it again.
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Because genny's waffling very conceivably looks a wolf trying to figure out if they wanted to take the heat from lynching a villager (Stagg) v.s. wasting a lynch day by lynching a wolf she knows won't die.
That whole thing was sketch af and just because Stagg pointed it out does not mean that he has "guilty conscience" gtfo with that "I can read your emotions" crap.
 
Stagg737 said:
Don't worry, I will. Though that's not the reasoning for why your vote was shady.
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If you were actually village, you should be defending me today, not attacking me. The rest of the group doesn't know your affiliation, so they should be asking me what the heck happened with my voting last night. You should be the one person I can count on to say "hey guys, she's not a wolf, she pushed the vote away from a villager instead of letting the wolves keep that tie and bring the village numbers down one more". Do you get where you screwed up?

But by all means, continue building a case against Capri. I'd love to see where that goes.
 
genny said:
If you were actually village, you should be defending me today, not attacking me. The rest of the group doesn't know your affiliation, so they should be asking me what the heck happened with my voting last night. You should be the one person I can count on to say "hey guys, she's not a wolf, she pushed the vote away from a villager instead of letting the wolves keep that tie and bring the village numbers down one more". Do you get where you screwed up?

But by all means, continue building a case against Capri. I'd love to see where that goes.
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So because I'm a villager I should be vouching for you solely because you decided not to lynch me yesterday? Were you counting on my doing that because you're a wolf and you're trying to maintain village cred? I get what you're saying, but Mel made the point I wanted to that you seemed like a wolf trying to figure out how she wanted to come across. I'm still going to iso you today though, so we'll see how I feel about the rest of your play after that.
 
Capri is shady af this game. She's been laying relatively low so she was farther down my reads, but after iso I'm just more convinced about placing a vote there.

Lawper said:
Hey @capri1722 what are your thoughts so far?
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capri1722 said:
Good evening to you as well, Sir Lawper.
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Lawper asks for reads and Capri dodges.

capri1722 said:
And I, for one, am displeased at how few people appear to be playing their role.
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Comes across as a low-key way to try and role hunt. Which is especially useful in this game since the write-ups are so in-depth.

capri1722 said:
I stated as much yesterday, but as I do not like it when others simply say "I've already said this" without referencing where they said it, I shall repeat myself.

I do sympathize with your busy schedule, however I was displeased that you could not list who you believed to be untrustworthy earlier in the day when you were present, and again when asked directly. Merely stating a couple of suspects would have been sufficient. If one is to assume you are of the wolfy persuasion, you did not "tie yourself down" to any suspects yesterday morning, thus allowing you to choose whomever is convenient for you today.
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capri1722 said:
Indeed I did. I believed you could have easily quickly stated who you believed to be untrustworthy. Even if 'twas based on incomplete information, there was time to rectify your views. I stated as much with twenty-three minutes left before the lynch deadline, and you continued to ignore my request, so I chose to leave my vote on you. If you had perished, then so be it.
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She posts multiple times that she just wanted me to name suspects but didn't care about reasoning during the the first lynch and that would have been sufficient to move her vote, but she asked this at 8:40. So she wanted me to give uninformed reads when I was 4-5 pages behind where I could just make something up. She even said later that I could "rectify my views" later, how is that productive to anything? Sounds like a made up reason for leaving her vote on me.

capri1722 said:
I shall be content with Sir Stagg, Lady Moose, or Lady QuestionMark today. Of the three, I am leaning most toward Lady Moose because she appears to be withholding information, or making excuses to cover...something.

Lynch mypetmoose
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This final quote is relevant because it is literally the only time all game she gives reads about anyone. Other than the person she votes for which is a terrible voting record. Literally no other mention of who she thinks is sketchy or village. None. Even worse, her top "reads" are the person she voted for on D1 and the two people leading the D2 lynch. No reasoning behind it other than maybe MPM is withholding info.

Other than that, all her posts are asking about mechanics to sound like she's contributing or joking around with people. There is no wolf-hunting at all. There are no reads. There is no substance to her posts. I'm annoyed that I didn't iso her sooner, but kind of hard to do that when I'm trying not to die every night while on a rotation from hell.

So again, I'll ask. Why are we lynching me and not someone like Capri???
 
Stagg737 said:
Capri is shady af this game. She's been laying relatively low so she was farther down my reads, but after iso I'm just more convinced about placing a vote there.




Lawper asks for reads and Capri dodges.



Comes across as a low-key way to try and role hunt. Which is especially useful in this game since the write-ups are so in-depth.




She posts multiple times that she just wanted me to name suspects but didn't care about reasoning during the the first lynch and that would have been sufficient to move her vote, but she asked this at 8:40. So she wanted me to give uninformed reads when I was 4-5 pages behind where I could just make something up. She even said later that I could "rectify my views" later, how is that productive to anything? Sounds like a made up reason for leaving her vote on me.



This final quote is relevant because it is literally the only time all game she gives reads about anyone. Other than the person she votes for which is a terrible voting record. Literally no other mention of who she thinks is sketchy or village. None. Even worse, her top "reads" are the person she voted for on D1 and the two people leading the D2 lynch. No reasoning behind it other than maybe MPM is withholding info.

Other than that, all her posts are asking about mechanics to sound like she's contributing or joking around with people. There is no wolf-hunting at all. There are no reads. There is no substance to her posts. I'm annoyed that I didn't iso her sooner, but kind of hard to do that when I'm trying not to die every night while on a rotation from hell.

So again, I'll ask. Why are we lynching me and not someone like Capri???
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Is this you bussing?
 
PippyPony said:
Although @Animal Midwife , who are your wolf reads right now, please? Other than SOV and others who cannot be voted for.

Also would like a quick reason for each.
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capri - for the VCA
allie - I can't get a read of her and I usually am able to
Dina - for avoiding some questions
 
PippyPony said:
Interesting, thanks.

What are your reads on genny and mel, then?

Edit: to clarify, I'm asking about those two since you seem to be in agreement with stagg about capri
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genny is neutral and Mel feels pretty good.
 
Animal Midwife said:
capri - for the VCA
allie - I can't get a read of her and I usually am able to
Dina - for avoiding some questions
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You mean when you asked me yesterday how you were being vague and why I didn't like your votes? Because that's the only question I haven't really answered unless I missed something
 
Dinashadow said:
You mean when you asked me yesterday how you were being vague and why I didn't like your votes? Because that's the only question I haven't really answered unless I missed something
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Yeah, I mean those.
 
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