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Cyndia said:
I buy that cray was delay blocked by sloth N1 with the cough description. Did anyone else get a similarly described block to what I had on N1? I don't think mine was a delayed action or anything since I didn't get any notifications on N1.
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No, no one received a message similar to your made-up block.
 
genny said:
No, no one received a message similar to your made-up block.
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It’s not made up. 🙄

Oh well, whatever. Village is still crushing it, and as far as misyeets go, I’m vanilla so it’s kind of best case scenario. Just tag me if anyone has any specific questions for me but gonna go enjoy the rest of the evening with the SO.

Yeet cubs
 
Animal Midwife said:
Honestly, if true that significantly narrows the POE. That should also be easily verifiable.
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So N2 I was told I had an annoying cough.

N3 I was told I had a full blown illness and that it made me too tired to be able to perform any actions.

Sounds like a delayed Covid block to me.

So Cyndia is telling the truth and it's a blocker not in the wolfy faction, or unlikely another wolf blocker type, or she's making it up.
 
Basically you're saying if there's a village blocker, they should come forward to let us know if Cyndia is telling truth? Or you're saying anyone else who was a target should.

Although if it was a wolf got blocked by village blocker, and other targets died, might make sense no targets can claim and it would be up to hypothetical village blocker to do it. So question then is, what do you want people (targets or the blocker if they exist) to do? Claim or stay quiet?
Animal Midwife said:
I'm still waiting for a blocker claim though.
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Crayola227 said:
So N2 I was told I had an annoying cough.

N3 I was told I had a full blown illness and that it made me too tired to be able to perform any actions.

Sounds like a delayed Covid block to me.

So Cyndia is telling the truth and it's a blocker not in the wolfy faction, or unlikely another wolf blocker type, or she's making it up.
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Can you explain this again with different nights? We haven't even reached N3 yet.
Crayola227 said:
Basically you're saying if there's a village blocker, they should come forward to let us know if Cyndia is telling truth? Or you're saying anyone else who was a target should.

Although if it was a wolf got blocked by village blocker, and other targets died, might make sense no targets can claim and it would be up to hypothetical village blocker to do it. So question then is, what do you want people (targets or the blocker if they exist) to do? Claim or stay quiet?
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I just want the blocker themselves to say "I blocked Cyndia." If they did not, they don't need to say anything. Target-hopping claims is an inconsistent method (especially with all the delay stuff occuring) so I avoid it.

A blocker is nearly an affiliation seer at this point so I would be concerned if they did block her and won't say anything. It'd be similar to ignoring a green check as a seer by voting for them the next cycle.
 
Animal Midwife said:
Can you explain this again with different nights? We haven't even reached N3 yet.

I just want the blocker themselves to say "I blocked Cyndia." If they did not, they don't need to say anything. Target-hopping claims is an inconsistent method (especially with all the delay stuff occuring) so I avoid it.

A blocker is nearly an affiliation seer at this point so I would be concerned if they did block her and won't say anything. It'd be similar to ignoring a green check as a seer by voting for them the next cycle.
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Sorry had my nights wrong
 
Eh honestly since I'm not a useful role and I'm also not someone who can be as active as some of the rest of you, it's probably best the blocker doesn't say anything at this point. Thats why I was hoping another target would step forward so I could still be verified without the PR outing themselves, but since no one has said anything yet, it's probably either a dead person or the remaining wolf.

So yeah... I've made my peace with a misyeet. But can we start talking about who you guys will yeet after me so this is not a total waste of a cycle?
 
And also - if the blocker did hit someone N1 who is not dead and that person hasn't come forward (but has been on thread since I mentioned my block), then that's probably a very good place to start tomorrow/block again tonight.
 
Cyndia said:
Eh honestly since I'm not a useful role and I'm also not someone who can be as active as some of the rest of you, it's probably best the blocker doesn't say anything at this point. Thats why I was hoping another target would step forward so I could still be verified without the PR outing themselves, but since no one has said anything yet, it's probably either a dead person or the remaining wolf. So yeah... I've made my peace with a misyeet. But can we start talking about who you guys will yeet after me so this is not a total waste of a cycle?
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Two questions.

Why is it "best" the blocker doesn't say anything?

Where is the dead blocker?
 
WildZoo said:
He had come prepared with a few items to make sure the wedding would go as planned, and nothing could get in the way of this happiest of days. There was one thing, in particular, he was looking for. No, not the mask...not those fabulous shoes...not the hat, though it would look dashing on him...and, oh dear why were those even in his pocket. Finally he found what he was looking for. He quickly handed it off to an usher before facing forward again.​
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Sounds like Zenge made one item and got it out before he died. So he wasn't blocked N1.
I know alley wasn't blocked N1 because she acted on me. Her N2 result was sent in the PM that she had opened with me, so I know she wasn't blocked N2.
 
supershorty said:
@Cyndia can you walk me through your cubs case? I know (well, I've been told) that he'll bus, but have you or anyone else actually seen him bus as hard as would be the case if he and Sloth were w/w?
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The answer to the latter is yes. Everyone left in the POE would bus sloth that hard unless they're the truest of powerwolves. sloth was nearly outted EOD 1. So D2 cannot be looked at as pure.
 
Hm.

Zenge only even mentioned cubs twice, so not like he was pushing hard there. alley wasn't sussing him either, she had him in neutrals.

I don't want to believe that cubs would N1 NK Zenge after he died when he did in Shots. Of course, the problem I run into with that thinking is the only person in this game who I can see NKing Zenge N1 right now, given previous games, is Cyndia because she wouldn't know. Otherwise, it has to be someone I want to believe wouldn't do that, because the rest of the group has been playing regularly.

Also kind of interesting to me, though almost definitely just coincidence, that the NKs so far have been the Bioshock pack.
 
Animal Midwife said:
The answer to the latter is yes. Everyone left in the POE would bus sloth that hard unless they're the truest of powerwolves. sloth was nearly outted EOD 1. So D2 cannot be looked at as pure.
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I mean, almost the entire thread was on sloth by EOD D2 so I knew the wagon was extremely unlikely to be pure, but driving the bus vs hopping on when it was clear the vote wasn't going to swing to cubs is a different story.
 
Please only mentioned Cyndia as someone she wanted to get pressure on, but never followed up. Sloth mentioned her twice, once to say she needed more pressure and once to put her in neutrals.

Safe options. And for noob wolves, the question I find I'm asking myself is whether they'd take the risk of shading a packmate (cubs) or if they'd go for the safer option. But I'm struggling to come up with an answer for that because I can make an argument for a noob wolf making either choice.
 
supershorty said:
I mean, almost the entire thread was on sloth by EOD D2 so I knew the wagon was extremely unlikely to be pure, but driving the bus vs hopping on when it was clear the vote wasn't going to swing to cubs is a different story
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I don't think any wolf worth their salt would defend sloth on D2. I can't see it. Fake evaluate? Sure. But hardcore saying the sloth yeet is wrong seems much more boatrocking than silently letting her die and/or bussing.

sloth was always going to be a serious wagon yesterday unless village fully bungled things.
 
cubs, genny, and Mel have all bussed whether it was necessary or unnecessary. I assume the same can be said for Cyndia but I don't recall her playstyle as clearly.
 
Animal Midwife said:
sloth was always going to be a serious wagon yesterday unless village fully bungled things.
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No, I get that. I'm trying to think through this:
supershorty said:
And for noob wolves, the question I find I'm asking myself is whether they'd take the risk of shading a packmate (cubs) or if they'd go for the safer option. But I'm struggling to come up with an answer for that because I can make an argument for a noob wolf making either choice.
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sloth getting on please's wagon was pretty clearly a panic bus when it was becoming apparent that please was going down. please was quick to say that sloth sounded normal to her, and sloth was only willing to consider please a wolf once it was in the imminent death phase (and she made the abrupt change from saying she didn't really see what I was seeing in the quotes from Basics to saying she read Basics in half an hour and agreed it was a very compelling case).

But in that situation, with it being her first time wolfing and with a packmate almost certainly getting yeeted, I'm just not sure which direction sloth would go with her read and interactions on her other packmate. I'm a little more inclined to think that a noob wolf would go for the safer option and not shade their remaining packmate just on the off chance that it worked and suddenly they found themselves in a situation where they were lone wolfing. But, on the other hand, a more experienced packmate could very easily tell them to do just that, knowing that sloth was almost certainly going to be the next one to get yeeted anyway and that it would be the best move for the pack as a whole to have that distancing.
 
supershorty said:
No, I get that. I'm trying to think through this:


sloth getting on please's wagon was pretty clearly a panic bus when it was becoming apparent that please was going down. please was quick to say that sloth sounded normal to her, and sloth was only willing to consider please a wolf once it was in the imminent death phase (and she made the abrupt change from saying she didn't really see what I was seeing in the quotes from Basics to saying she read Basics in half an hour and agreed it was a very compelling case).

But in that situation, with it being her first time wolfing and with a packmate almost certainly getting yeeted, I'm just not sure which direction sloth would go with her read and interactions on her other packmate. I'm a little more inclined to think that a noob wolf would go for the safer option and not shade their remaining packmate just on the off chance that it worked and suddenly they found themselves in a situation where they were lone wolfing. But, on the other hand, a more experienced packmate could very easily tell them to do just that, knowing that sloth was almost certainly going to be the next one to get yeeted anyway and that it would be the best move for the pack as a whole to have that distancing.
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Yeah, it's all too much WIFOM for me to even begin thinking about particularly because consecutive early yeets are rare for SDN in general.
 
supershorty said:
Sounds like Zenge made one item and got it out before he died. So he wasn't blocked N1.
I know alley wasn't blocked N1 because she acted on me. Her N2 result was sent in the PM that she had opened with me, so I know she wasn't blocked N2.
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Did you get night results the night Alley acted on you? Or did the PM just get opened and Alley got results?
 
Dinashadow said:
Did you get night results the night Alley acted on you? Or did the PM just get opened and Alley got results?
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I got a result from her acting on me and then the PM got opened. I didn’t see her flavor from N1, but I think she would have mentioned a block (and don’t think the PM would have opened).
 
Animal Midwife said:
Two questions.

Why is it "best" the blocker doesn't say anything?

Where is the dead blocker?
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I don't mean dead blocker - I mean the blockers target N1 is likely dead (or a wolf that's not saying anything).

I'm operating under the assumption there's one more wolf, since 4 wolves in a game of 14 seems overpowered. Unless games are being balanced differently these days?? So when I say it's best the blocker doesn't say anything, it's because I figure they'll be a prime kill target as they would effectively become a seer this game if they block and it's a no kill night (or vice versa for clearing people). Obviously the best case scenario is someone would step forward and verify my results so we can avoid a misyeet today and ideally actually find the wolf. But no one seems to want to step forward, and no one wants to believe me, so at least since I'm vanilla and we still have a good number of players left, there's still a very good chance village will win and you guys will figure it out tomorrow hopefully.
 
supershorty said:
@Cyndia can you walk me through your cubs case? I know (well, I've been told) that he'll bus, but have you or anyone else actually seen him bus as hard as would be the case if he and Sloth were w/w?
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I haven't actually dug through his post history super closely since the sloth flip - I was planning to do a deep dive today and reread everything but lost the motivation when I saw no one had claimed the block. I'd normally put up more of a fight and be annoyed over getting misyeeted, so idk if it's pregnancy hormones or what, but I'm just too tired to care as much lol. So the basis of my vote is more from just very strong feels to the way cubs initially ranked me neutral/village, but then pivoted so hard against me when I even remotely voiced a little bit of shade on him.

I would also really like to see mel yeeted too because I don't have any information on him, but he hasn't pinged me strongly in any direction yet so figured I'd start with cubs. And I know I had earlier said genny had been at the top of my list because I had skimmed some sloth posts that night she flipped, I thought her village reading of her felt sketchy, but then when I went and reread it the next day it actually felt more like a village point for her (I figured what happened was that sloth didn't want to go up against a veteran player with a misread and likely placed her into the accurate category without actually having a good reason to justify it - hence the backpedaling she did. Or alternatively put her in that category while trying to make a reads list and knowing she was village, but again didn't have a good reason to justify it and backpedaled). So genny is still on the outskirts of my POE because I can never read her, but I think cubs and mel are much more likely wolf options at this point.
 
In the spirit of full disclosure - my role is athens, ga, which is the place where the starcrossed SDNers met for the first time, and will also be married. And as I said earlier, I'm vanilla and the only night interaction I've had so far was that alert last night about the constant ruckus outside that caused me to wake up groggy and poorly rested.
 
Animal Midwife said:
Regardless though, assuming no claim happens, it means Cyndia is the last wolf. If she flips village, the blocker needs to claim immediately or else they will go in the POE too.
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What reason would there be for the blocker to claim immediately once I flip village? That'll just put them in danger? Because I'm pretty convinced they're village based on the flipped roles so far, and the fact people were voicing so much shade on me and already placing contingency votes before night close yesterday.

Flip side is if it is a wolf blocker and they wanted to block me to guarantee my yeet since they knew I'd probably share it but that seems.. kind of like a stretch to me. I'm betting it's a villager.
 
Cyndia said:
I don't mean dead blocker - I mean the blockers target N1 is likely dead (or a wolf that's not saying anything).

I'm operating under the assumption there's one more wolf, since 4 wolves in a game of 14 seems overpowered. Unless games are being balanced differently these days?? So when I say it's best the blocker doesn't say anything, it's because I figure they'll be a prime kill target as they would effectively become a seer this game if they block and it's a no kill night (or vice versa for clearing people). Obviously the best case scenario is someone would step forward and verify my results so we can avoid a misyeet today and ideally actually find the wolf. But no one seems to want to step forward, and no one wants to believe me, so at least since I'm vanilla and we still have a good number of players left, there's still a very good chance village will win and you guys will figure it out tomorrow hopefully.
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You realize with one wolf alive that means you're mechanically village if you were actually blocked though, right?

The blocker cannot be killed unless they block a villager.
 
supershorty said:
Hm.

Zenge only even mentioned cubs twice, so not like he was pushing hard there. alley wasn't sussing him either, she had him in neutrals.

I don't want to believe that cubs would N1 NK Zenge after he died when he did in Shots. Of course, the problem I run into with that thinking is the only person in this game who I can see NKing Zenge N1 right now, given previous games, is Cyndia because she wouldn't know. Otherwise, it has to be someone I want to believe wouldn't do that, because the rest of the group has been playing regularly.

Also kind of interesting to me, though almost definitely just coincidence, that the NKs so far have been the Bioshock pack.
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But if you truly think no one but me would NK zenge N1, why wouldn't the rest of the pack have stopped me in that scenario? I'd lean more towards thinking Zenge got night killed early if someone was worried zenge would read them easily. Or it's an all noob pack or one that had a player on it that wasn't paying attention (mel?) so they went ahead with that without realizing Zenge had been killed early recently.

Also - I think it's pretty clear from my previous posting that my brain is falling apart and I barely remember the bioshock game :laugh: So that's definitely a coincidence.
 
Cyndia said:
What reason would there be for the blocker to claim immediately once I flip village? That'll just put them in danger? Because I'm pretty convinced they're village based on the flipped roles so far, and the fact people were voicing so much shade on me and already placing contingency votes before night close yesterday.

Flip side is if it is a wolf blocker and they wanted to block me to guarantee my yeet since they knew I'd probably share it but that seems.. kind of like a stretch to me. I'm betting it's a villager.
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They 100% knowingly let a villager die in this world. That's not something normal for a villager to do. So I'd expect a very good explanation or they're outted as a wolf.
 
Animal Midwife said:
You realize with one wolf alive that means you're mechanically village if you were actually blocked though, right?

The blocker cannot be killed unless they block a villager.
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Yes - I do realize that, which is why I was hoping they would step forward and verify it so we could move on from wasting todays vote. But they don't seem to want to do that, and other people have also voiced opinions discouraging them from stepping forward because the village is doing so well, so I've given up on that happening at this point.

And yes, the blocker can't be killed unless they block a villager, but what if they get it wrong tomorrow night? This might buy at least two more nights of blocks if they don't out themselves.
 
Cyndia said:
Yes - I do realize that, which is why I was hoping they would step forward and verify it so we could move on from wasting todays vote. But they don't seem to want to do that, and other people have also voiced opinions discouraging them from stepping forward because the village is doing so well, so I've given up on that happening at this point.

And yes, the blocker can't be killed unless they block a villager, but what if they get it wrong tomorrow night? This might buy at least two more nights of blocks if they don't out themselves.
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I've yet to see anyone discourage that. They're only discouraging revealing in a world where anyone but you was blocked. If anyone discourages a reveal that would confirm Cyndia was the block target, speak to me directly.

If they get it wrong, a different villager is clear going into tomorrow. Extremely helpful as long as they continue to block within the POE.
 
Cyndia said:
But if you truly think no one but me would NK zenge N1, why wouldn't the rest of the pack have stopped me in that scenario? I'd lean more towards thinking Zenge got night killed early if someone was worried zenge would read them easily. Or it's an all noob pack or one that had a player on it that wasn't paying attention (mel?) so they went ahead with that without realizing Zenge had been killed early recently.

Also - I think it's pretty clear from my previous posting that my brain is falling apart and I barely remember the bioshock game :laugh: So that's definitely a coincidence.
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I think a please/sloth/you pack absolutely could because neither of those 2 play particularly often. So no one in the pack would know to pump the brakes.
 
Animal Midwife said:
I've yet to see anyone discourage that. They're only discouraging revealing in a world where anyone but you was blocked. If anyone discourages a reveal that would confirm Cyndia was the block target, speak to me directly.

If they get it wrong, a different villager is clear going into tomorrow. Extremely helpful as long as they continue to block within the POE.
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supershorty said:
We have a lot of breathing room when it comes to village vs wolf numbers. Personally, I don’t think any PRs should out themselves right now.
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I just went back and looked because I thought I had seen more than one person say it, but it looks like it was just shorty that voiced that opinion.
 
supershorty said:
I think a please/sloth/you pack absolutely could because neither of those 2 play particularly often. So no one in the pack would know to pump the brakes.
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Okay well take me out of the equation for a moment. Who else would you think would do that? Or who else is super close with zenge that might be threatened enough to take zenge out N1?
 
Cyndia said:
I just went back and looked because I thought I had seen more than one person say it, but it looks like it was just shorty that voiced that opinion.
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I'm pretty sure she meant that in a "no one actually blocked you" sense. If you were confirmably blocked, she'd want to hear about it.
 
Cyndia said:
Okay well take me out of the equation for a moment. Who else would you think would do that? Or who else is super close with zenge that might be threatened enough to take zenge out N1?
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I guess it wouldn't entirely surprise me if that N1 kill choice was primarily driven by sloth panicking because Zenge was one of the people sussing her and on her wagon. If the third wolf hasn't been around a lot (which could be a number of people in this game), and no one was there to stop that decision, night did close EXTREMELY fast that night.
 
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