LMU-DCOM Discussion Thread 2011-2012

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i am waiting to hear about an interview. i just want some opinions from you guys in terms of my chances. i applied with a 3.3 undergrad science gpa, and currently i have a 3.8 in my masters of biomedical science program at usf COM. i have great extracurriculars, letters of rec etc, my mcat is a 22. do you feel that rules me out completely? :confused:

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i am waiting to hear about an interview. i just want some opinions from you guys in terms of my chances. i applied with a 3.3 undergrad science gpa, and currently i have a 3.8 in my masters of biomedical science program at usf COM. i have great extracurriculars, letters of rec etc, my mcat is a 22. do you feel that rules me out completely? :confused:

Nope, you're fine. I know plenty at DCOM with similar stats albeit they may have applied earlier in the season. However, DCOM is different this year because there were so many additional seats that opened up after the new year.

If your file has been complete > 2-3 weeks it might be worth it to call and see where you're at. The ladies in the admissions office are wonderful and will make you feel better. More than once people have posted here and said they called to check on their status and got an interview invite so anything can happen.
 
Now that's interesting. I've never heard of anyone going that far before! How many people did you call in the area? How did you decide who to call? Did you just cold call these physicians and start asking about DCOM? Any more detail about what they said?

Typically, in smaller systems in the Appalachian region, residency directors deal with rotating students as well as the residents themselves. I'm not sure if that's the same at larger hospital systems or not. Obviously there haven't really been enough DCOM residents for anyone to form an opinion based on the graduating students alone. With that said, I know most of the DCOM residents in this area are doing very well.

I know two residency administrators so I personally asked them their opinions about several different DO schools. Both of their systems take students from VCOM, DCOM, WVSOM, and UPike-KYCOM. Both of them had great things to say. One of the directors commented how the DCOM students seemed just as capable as students from the longer established schools. That goes right along with what has been said on here for years.

I also know a few physicians who are preceptors for Pike, DCOM and VCOM and spoke to them as well. Similar feedback - nothing particularly exceptional about DCOM students but right on the same level as the longer established schools. The one thing I did get out of all of this is that it takes many schools years to build up a good reputation and trust - DCOM seemingly did it overnight.

The school can only do so much and, along the same lines, the student can only do so much. It's a relationship between the two. One physician wanted me to realize that a couple of lesser quality students through a rotation or residency is not necessarily the school's fault - it's really more a reflection of the students themselves. He likened it to opening a door - most any school will put the information and opportunity out there to allow us to mold into exceptional students and clinicians, it's up to us to put in the time.

As I said, there were some negative things to be said about other schools but I took that with a grain of salt because they've been filtering students in for a longer time so there's more chance for opinions to grow. The thing I wanted to hear was that DCOM students weren't "green," so to speak, and seemed less capable than other longer established systems. Across the board, that was not true in my research. That's what sealed my decision for me - there was no question after that.

I guess I'm just older and wiser, so to speak, than many premeds... even if only by a handful of years. ANY school will give a tremendous review of their own programs. It's important to do your own research and ask people who are unbiased. I don't think any school will try to be dishonest about problems but recruitment pitches in any field (medicine, business, law enforcement, whatever) are always positive.

This is a $300,000 decision we're all making and I was of the opinion through the entire process that I'm entitled to ask the tough questions about income in my target practice region, match rates, attrition, etc.

My opinion... worth price paid! :)
 
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that is really great to hear! any advice as to what to say when i do call the office on monday? simple hey im so and so, really hope i get an interview, this is my #1 choice etc, whats my status?
 
that is really great to hear! any advice as to what to say when i do call the office on monday? simple hey im so and so, really hope i get an interview, this is my #1 choice etc, whats my status?

Yeah, don't be overbearing, just tell them you're very interested in the school and would like to know the status of your file.
 
that is really great to hear! any advice as to what to say when i do call the office on monday? simple hey im so and so, really hope i get an interview, this is my #1 choice etc, whats my status?
Yeah, honestly just spin it as "I just want to make sure you all actually got all of the necessary documents"- did you get a "You're complete" type e-mail? Even if you did, just make sure. You'd be amazed how sometimes your file just isn't getting reviewed because one box on a computer didn't get clicked or something. I haven't heard of this happening here, but you just never know. It certainly has happened at other schools in my experience.

There are many stories of people who call and get an invite over the phone, or get an invite in the next couple days after calling. It's definitely worth checking up on, especially with being a later applicant.

Good luck! :luck:
 
Any of you guys and gals from this week heard anything yet?
 
Still wait-listed, but I called them last week and she said they will interview through April until class gets filled and if it doesn't then wait-listed students get the spots.

I'm just kind of annoyed that they don't have a ranked wait-list because that gives me no advantage to being interviewed in October...

Anyways, congratz to everyone that got accepted:)
 
Still wait-listed, but I called them last week and she said they will interview through April until class gets filled and if it doesn't then wait-listed students get the spots.

I'm just kind of annoyed that they don't have a ranked wait-list because that gives me no advantage to being interviewed in October...

Anyways, congratz to everyone that got accepted:)
same boat. this is my #1 choice
 
Still wait-listed, but I called them last week and she said they will interview through April until class gets filled and if it doesn't then wait-listed students get the spots.

I'm just kind of annoyed that they don't have a ranked wait-list because that gives me no advantage to being interviewed in October...

Anyways, congratz to everyone that got accepted:)

same boat. this is my #1 choice
I understand how this can be annoying, and by no means do I think you guys don't very much deserve a seat (and you still have a great shot by the way with the class size increase btw!!)....BUT, I think in the long run, not ranking the list is for the best. While it's nice to be able to have the edge from applying earlier, I'm glad they try to take what they consider the best fits out of the waitlisted pool, rather than give someone who applied early the spot. Trust me, I got waitlisted the first year I applied here and not having a number was KILLING me. With that said, I really hope you guys get pulled off the list!! :xf: Anytime you have anything new to update your application with, sending it their way even in just an e--mail is a must....never know what might just cause your application to get pulled to the top and be reconsidered! Good luck and don't lose faith! :luck:
 
can anyone recommend where i can get a car-- (for living there?)

i hear kentucky is cheaper??or knoxville it?

or im looking to lease a ford...

thanks
 
can anyone recommend where i can get a car-- (for living there?)

i hear kentucky is cheaper??or knoxville it?

or im looking to lease a ford...

thanks

Sales tax in TN is really high - like 9.75%. Kentucky is 6% and Virginia is 5%. You'll get destroyed on a car purchase on the TN side.

There are car dealerships on both sides of the KY and VA border so I'd go that route, personally.
 
Sales tax in TN is really high - like 9.75%. Kentucky is 6% and Virginia is 5%. You'll get destroyed on a car purchase on the TN side.

There are car dealerships on both sides of the KY and VA border so I'd go that route, personally.

Yes, sir. I just bought a 'new' used car. It sucks... :scared:
 
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They'll tell you this on your interview day but don't forget also in their mission is the under served - whether that's in the mountains of Appalachia or the heart of Los Angeles. Primary care is certainly their focus but there's nothing they do that will make you less of a specialist from what I've seen.

For me, DCOM is in a really nice part of the country. SWVA and Eastern TN combined are one of the major biodiversity hotspots in North America. That was important to me - I'm not a city guy and have no intentions of being one. I enjoy the slower pace of life and the outdoors. I want to be able to escape on a Friday evening after a test if I need to and cutoff the stress and fast paced nature of med school.

DCOM puts a lot of emphasis on producing quality clinicians. It's important to have a broad spectra of knowledge but it's also important to be skilled with your patients both mechanically and socially. From the get go, through EPC and OSCEs, DCOM has really pushed for producing capable clinicians. I went the extra step of calling residency directors and preceptors in the area and talking to them about the quality of DCOM students coming through their systems. All of them had positive things to say and that impressed me. I did the same for other schools and that wasn't the case. Granted, many other schools have a longer track record and more chance for bad eggs.

I really like the layout of our c/o 2016 curriculum and I think, logically, it makes sense. When learning things in largely singular blocks I believe it would be difficult at times to connect information. I.E., Let's say you had renal for six weeks followed by cardiology for six weeks. Congestive heart failure and its implications in both systems becomes a matter of matching Cardio information to Renal information from 6+ weeks ago. With our curriculum, Renal and Cardiology (and others) overlap and the block lasts longer. So we might learn about CHF in renal at 8am and in Cardiology at 9am. I felt this way of learning promotes retention of the information and connecting things to grasp the bigger picture. A modified body systems approach, so to speak. Also, I like that we're going to a dissection based gross anatomy course. I'm a hands on learner and while it will require more time commitment than prosection, I'm sure, I feel that it's worth it.

Lastly, there's something to be said about the openness of both faculty and staff. Sure, the school has its problems like any other and sometimes students feel like they're in the dark on certain administrative things, but at the end of the day the policy is open door. There's a certain buzz at the school - fueled largely by new construction and Dean Stowers' upcoming AOA appointment - that made me feel proud to be there.

It's funny how it works but you will either know it's for you or you will know it's not. Sometimes, it just feels right and sometimes it doesn't.

Best of luck!

I am interested to how long this particular view will last next fall? Ours was mostly prosection and a few labs of dissection, and I remember being excited for about the first ten minutes and then hated every minute of it after that. As a matter of fact I grew to dislike Anatomy a lot for the last two tests. Just the lab portion though so maybe I'm biased

Congratulations to everyone who has been accepted.
 
I am interested to how long this particular view will last next fall? Ours was mostly prosection and a few labs of dissection, and I remember being excited for about the first ten minutes and then hated every minute of it after that. As a matter of fact I grew to dislike Anatomy a lot for the last two tests. Just the lab portion though so maybe I'm biased

Congratulations to everyone who has been accepted.

From what I've gathered some people just don't like anatomy lab and never will. I'll admit I'm worried about it being too overwhelming as well with MFM and everything else to worry about. So, I signed up for the anatomy intensive in hopes it will make it somewhat less of a brick wall.

Odds are I'll only be in a cadaver lab once... might as well get the full effect.
 
Here is a spread sheet that compares match lists, GPA/MCAT scores of matriculates, COMLEX scores, and other types of data. It includes:

-2011-2008 Match lists for many osteopathic schools
- comparison of match results between schools
-GPA/MCAT scores, a profiles of average matriculating students compared between all Osteopathic schools,
-COMLEX scores for some schools
- You'll also find comparison of tuition / graduate indebtedness between schools

https://sites.google.com/site/osteopathicreference/home

(I can't host the spread sheet on the forums because of size limits)

I apologize in advance that I will be mass posting this through out the forums this afternoon but many people have been looking for this data and I want the to be able to find it!
 
Here is a spread sheet that compares match lists, GPA/MCAT scores of matriculates, COMLEX scores, and other types of data. It includes:

-2011-2008 Match lists for many osteopathic schools
- comparison of match results between schools
-GPA/MCAT scores, a profiles of average matriculating students compared between all Osteopathic schools,
-COMLEX scores for some schools
- You'll also find comparison of tuition / graduate indebtedness between schools

https://sites.google.com/site/osteopathicreference/home

(I can't host the spread sheet on the forums because of size limits)

I apologize in advance that I will be mass posting this through out the forums this afternoon but many people have been looking for this data and I want the to be able to find it!

A buddy of mine needed this right at this very minute and it's ridiculously ironic you posted it. He asked me for a spreadsheet that compared match lists not even 20 minutes ago.
 
From what I've gathered some people just don't like anatomy lab and never will. I'll admit I'm worried about it being too overwhelming as well with MFM and everything else to worry about. So, I signed up for the anatomy intensive in hopes it will make it somewhat less of a brick wall.

Odds are I'll only be in a cadaver lab once... might as well get the full effect.


I didn't find it overwhelming or anything. I just found after the wow factor of being in a cadavar lab and seeing stuff that 99% of people never get to see wore off I found it incredibly boring. It was easier than MFM for me. What is anatomy intensive? Is that the summer class they are starting?
 
I didn't find it overwhelming or anything. I just found after the wow factor of being in a cadavar lab and seeing stuff that 99% of people never get to see wore off I found it incredibly boring. It was easier than MFM for me. What is anatomy intensive? Is that the summer class they are starting?

Yeah. It's supposed to make the transition into med school a bit more like a ramp up and, dare say, a little easier the first semester.

The idea is we do gross anatomy 8 hours a day for three weeks. Each day begins with a cumulative test and ends with time in the lab. Dr. Leo designed it so that it will, hopefully, promote long term retention of information. The last day of the course is a lab practical.

Obviously they can't cover in three weeks what we'll cover in a semester but in terms of hours being exposed to the material it's about 120+ hours in lecture/lab plus our own study time. I would imagine, in the end, that's a good chunk of the hours put into MGA by most students in a couple months time. My hope is we'll "see some material again," so to speak, and it will be easier to grasp when it really counts.

We'll see!
 
when is there usually movement on the waitlist?
 
So, considering I haven't been invited for an interview (and the fact that people are already being selected from the waitlist), I probably won't be invited for an interview, right?
 
So, considering I haven't been invited for an interview (and the fact that people are already being selected from the waitlist), I probably won't be invited for an interview, right?

No they are still interviewing. I submitted my secondary in early Decmber and just got an invite last week.
 
So, considering I haven't been invited for an interview (and the fact that people are already being selected from the waitlist), I probably won't be invited for an interview, right?

Call them if you've been complete for > 30 days. See what's up - they might not have everything they need even though you think everything is squared away
 
The waiting game is killing me. They said they are going to meet today and letters should be send on Friday. :xf:
 
Yes the committee meets today and letter tomorrow! So nervous, ughhhh... I love this place! I hope its a positive for me!
 
please let me know if You receive phone call today or tomorrow from dean S. , they said he was out of town this week but from previous posters I know that usually he calls
 
please let me know if You receive phone call today or tomorrow from dean S. , they said he was out of town this week but from previous posters I know that usually he calls

Two weeks ago (I cant believe its been that long) they actually told us he would NOT be calling us, because of his travel schedule. He did, but I dont think they had planned on it. I know its agonizing. I hope you hear soon.
 
please let me know if You receive phone call today or tomorrow from dean S. , they said he was out of town this week but from previous posters I know that usually he calls

As of late it has been more common for him not to call before the letter arrives. He dis surprise one group (AGDoc's) though. A buddy of mine got his letter this Tuesday, though, and hasn't gotten a phone call yet.

Hang in there. This was the worst part of the "hurry up and wait process" for me.
 
does anyone know what the most current pass rates are for both comlex and usmle?

also can any current student shed light on their own experience with the curriculum, quality of rotations, overall atmosphere? i am trying to decide between here and touro NV so any advice would help. thank u
 
They want to see my grades before they make a decision. :/

Lol that's a good thing - "Tabled" means it was on the table and they looked at your app.


So "tabled" means they discussed your application after an interview? Do they typically send out emails saying this or only if they want to do something such as see grades before making a decision?

Seeing grades I'm guessing would be only if I were still in school...?

Sorry, I don't know all the terms :oops: I guess I'm getting a little anxious waiting to hear back after my interview. (feb 13)

Good luck to all those in the same boat! :xf:
 
I guess I'm getting a little anxious waiting to hear back after my interview. (feb 13)

Good luck to all those in the same boat! :xf:

same here, I was interviewed on 14th , no phone call or email yet, I am vey anxious , cannot concentrate on anything !!!

My acceptance letter where are you??? :scared:
 
does anyone know what the most current pass rates are for both comlex and usmle?

also can any current student shed light on their own experience with the curriculum, quality of rotations, overall atmosphere? i am trying to decide between here and touro NV so any advice would help. thank u

A couple years back a girl from Vegas was the class president. She had gotten into Touro and DCOM both. I asked her during a student Q&A panel if she would do anything different and she said absolutely not. It was a big decision to leave home and come to such a vastly different place but she thought it was a good thing for her.

She should probably be a fourth year now I think. You might call Ms. Martin and ask if she can possibly connect you with her via e-mail or something to get her thoughts.

If you have Facebook, look up the LMU-DCOM Class of 2014 group. They can probably answer a lot more of your questions than the first years because they've just got their rotation selections.
 
does anyone know what the most current pass rates are for both comlex and usmle?

also can any current student shed light on their own experience with the curriculum, quality of rotations, overall atmosphere? i am trying to decide between here and touro NV so any advice would help. thank u

I also got accepted to TUNCOM as well as LMU. These are reasons why I chose LMU:

My friend's brother is doing a residency in Vegas and is having a terrible time. The director never shows up, doesn't know him or how he works and decided that he needs to redo his first year of res. I would hope that this is just one bad story among many great stories but I don't like stories like this no matter how sparse they are.

TUNCOM is pretty well connected in Las Vegas. LMU is very well connected throughout the Southern United States. LMU has already developed a reputation of being VERY dedicated to their students (the only other school I got an acceptance phone call from was MWU, that kind of effort shows the attitude of the school).

The feel of the school was not only very University-like but also very family-like. If that makes sense. LECOM for instance felt like a business to me (one reason I picked LMU over LECOM), TUNCOM felt like a school, but not like a family where you know everyone is looking out for you.

LMU's campus is by far the most beautiful I saw while doing interviews, and especially so compared to TUNCOM.

TUNCOM's bball team is ranked #1 in Touro medical schools, LMU's bball team is ranked #1 in the nation (cough cough in division 2 cough cough).

That being said, I did get a good vibe from TUNCOM. I liked the people there, it is in a nice town and is very conveniently located with Vegas so close. But when it comes right down to it, I felt LMU more. And I'm really excited for this fall! I hope this helps and congrats wherever you decide to go.
 
TUNCOM is pretty well connected in Las Vegas. LMU is very well connected throughout the Southern United States. LMU has already developed a reputation of being VERY dedicated to their students (the only other school I got an acceptance phone call from was MWU, that kind of effort shows the attitude of the school).

Just out of curiosity, and not to be redundant, but why did you chose LMU over MWU? And was this Chicago or Glendale campus? Thanks for sharing!!
 
Just out of curiosity, and not to be redundant, but why did you chose LMU over MWU? And was this Chicago or Glendale campus? Thanks for sharing!!

This was Glendale. AZCOM is nice. It has great facilities and (aside from LMU) the nicest looking campus I went to on interviews. Good feel to the school, nice students, nice faculty, great tech, and it's closer to family for me. BUT, it's way more expensive, and they seem to be losing rotation sites to other schools that are springing up (ATSU-SOMA), and when It came right down to it, LMU just felt better to me. LMU seems like everything AZCOM is but a little better in every way.

My decision to go to LMU was kind of one those things where it doesn't make sense on paper (I had already payed my deposit to LECOM-E, which is way more established), but I feel is the right move to make. There was a lot of thinking, and making lists, and researching, and asking around, and prayer. In the end LMU won out over the others I had to choose from. I really like it. And I'm excited to meet everyone in July!

Also, did everyone see this? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1611224/#lb-vi724476185

Can you say mass DCOM movie trip to kick off the school year?
 
So "tabled" means they discussed your application after an interview? Do they typically send out emails saying this or only if they want to do something such as see grades before making a decision?

Seeing grades I'm guessing would be only if I were still in school...?

Sorry, I don't know all the terms :oops: I guess I'm getting a little anxious waiting to hear back after my interview. (feb 13)

Good luck to all those in the same boat! :xf:

I'm not sure. Maybe someone that knows can shed more light on this. I'm assuming that they looked at my application because I got the email on Thursday evening. So maybe they want to see that before they make a final decision...?

Gluck to everyone though!
 
I'm not sure. Maybe someone that knows can shed more light on this. I'm assuming that they looked at my application because I got the email on Thursday evening. So maybe they want to see that before they make a final decision...?

Gluck to everyone though!

Hey, we are both in the same boat, but I've heard a lot of folks saying to hang in there. Keep the faith up! If you believe you can get in DCOM, it's a huge motivation knowing that every day will mean something, that every single day you have the opportunity to get one step closer to that goal somehow, whether through grades or through other good experiences/opportunities that come along. Sometimes I wonder if they find people that look to be genuinely motivated and want to spur them on in order to see if it sparks inside of them in a positive way. If they want grades, give it to them! Pulling med school hours isn't limited to just med school students, ya know ;) Either way - keep your head up! There's a long way to go till August 1st :)
 
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Hey, we are both in the same boat, but I've heard a lot of folks saying to hang in there. Keep the faith up! If you believe you can get in DCOM, it's a huge motivation knowing that every day will mean something, that every single day you have the opportunity to get one step closer to that goal somehow, whether through grades or through other good experiences/opportunities that come along. Sometimes I wonder if they find people that look to be genuinely motivated and want to spur them on in order to see if it sparks inside of them in a positive way. If they want grades, give it to them! Pulling med school hours isn't limited to just med school students, ya know ;) Either way - keep your head up! There's a long way to go till August 1st :)

Orientation starts July 24, and school starts on July 27....but you still have a long way to go!
 
The thing I hate most about waiting is not being able to cement the living situation for next fall lol
 
The thing I hate most about waiting is not being able to cement the living situation for next fall lol

I am already accepted and I am still worried about the living situation next fall....lol.
 
I am already accepted and I am still worried about the living situation next fall....lol.

My problem is being accepted in one place and being on the waitlist at two other schools that I really liked with an interview coming up at a state md program. Not a bad problem to have mind you. Just gives you alot to mill over while waiting for August 1st
 
My problem is being accepted in one place and being on the waitlist at two other schools that I really liked with an interview coming up at a state md program. Not a bad problem to have mind you. Just gives you alot to mill over while waiting for August 1st

Is LMU the waitlist or the acceptance?
 
Waitlist but it is one I really like

That blows. I was waitlisted at an MD and another DO, but I was accepted at LMU (so the opposite of you). I dropped all my other interviews because I liked LMU so much.

Good luck to you!
 
The thing I hate most about waiting is not being able to cement the living situation for next fall lol

I am already accepted and I am still worried about the living situation next fall....lol.
If it eases your nerves at all, most people don't really secure housing until April or May. It's hard to secure housing in a rural area where housing only becomes available once 2nd years leave. Patience, my little ones :)
 
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