PNWU-COM Discussion Thread 2011-2012

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SBB2016 said:
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wondering about the "activities" section, did you fill in everything, or just shadowing/healthcare stuff... also, do you guys think volunteering for the NSP (ski patrol) would count as healthcare? Thoughts?
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i'd put everything down. i will tell you this, if you do come here keep your ski patrol certification/creds current. white pass is about an hour away and they recently approached the school looking for student volunteers and have worked out a great deal for those that are willing to go out and patrol who kept their certs/creds/membership current (just a handful of times/yr and you get a free pass). other students have let them lapse and are a little bummed because this opportunity wasn't available until recently and they are missing out on it.
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Questions

1. Does anyone have an idea of how full the class is?
2. How strong is the regional bias? I am not from the northwest or a rural area.
 
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I'm not sure how full the class is, but like most schools they do prefer to train people from this region. However, they do this thing where they interview ONLY north westerners before December, and after that they open the secondary & interview process to everyone.

MrNovember said:
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1. Does anyone have an idea of how full the class is?
2. How strong is the regional bias? I am not from the northwest or a rural area.
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MrNovember said:
Wow, 93% of the class last year from the northwest... But I wonder - is that because of the regional bias or that most of the applicants are from the northwest? Or both?

I have no ties to the northwest but I am interested in living out there.
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okay..so yu want to live out here...willing to sign away your first born to do so??
here is the deal....we see alot of secondaries who state they want to live out here..that on the interview reveal other motives...you have to walk the talk in the interviews...AND during med school...
I review apps...if not PNW oriented...or rural health oriented...I have second thoughts about recommending for interviews
 
Well, I will be interviewing on the 20th and I am pretty excited to see how this MMI business goes. So far I have heard both positive and negative reviews. Also, I know it is getting late in the season, but does anyone have an idea how full the class is getting. I am a little nervous because this is my number one school and I would love to get accepted!!! :)
 
i have no idea how many slots are still open...LeAnn and Hope don't tell me those things...but I would think there are still slots open for really good candidates, thru February.
 
dermpathdoc said:
okay..so yu want to live out here...willing to sign away your first born to do so??
here is the deal....we see alot of secondaries who state they want to live out here..that on the interview reveal other motives...you have to walk the talk in the interviews...AND during med school...
I review apps...if not PNW oriented...or rural health oriented...I have second thoughts about recommending for interviews
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You will have to forgive me. Your looking for individuals willing to sign away their first born? Is that your take on what PNWU wants or is that a "higher up" telling you what to look for? I am just dismayed, if that is your approach to reviewing apps I'll have to rescind mine and find another program outside the Northwest.
 
The whole mantra about only wanting local students who will go back to practice in their communities is kind of silly when you consider that most students will be forced to leave for residency anyway. As I understand, residency location is a greater predictive factor for where you'll ultimately practice. The fact that we have so few residencies in the NW means that regardless of student sentiment, most will have no choice but to move away.

Of course, it makes everyone feel warm and fuzzy to say the mission of the institution is to train doctors who will remain local. I guess it's a good PR move, regardless of whether it comes to fruition.
 
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You will have to forgive me. Your looking for individuals willing to sign away their first born? Is that your take on what PNWU wants or is that a "higher up" telling you what to look for? I am just dismayed, if that is your approach to reviewing apps I'll have to rescind mine and find another program outside the Northwest.
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C'mon man, I am pretty sure dermpathdoc was being a bit facetious with that whole first born thing, so take it with humor (that's the only way we're gonna make it through this anyway)! :)

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The whole mantra about only wanting local students who will go back to practice in their communities is kind of silly when you consider that most students will be forced to leave for residency anyway. As I understand, residency location is a greater predictive factor for where you'll ultimately practice. The fact that we have so few residencies in the NW means that regardless of student sentiment, most will have no choice but to move away.

Of course, it makes everyone feel warm and fuzzy to say the mission of the institution is to train doctors who will remain local. I guess it's a good PR move, regardless of whether it comes to fruition.
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I've never heard that predictive factor about residencies and where people end up practicing, though I would bet there is some sort of validity behind it.

However, I don't think it is silly at all to have a local motivation behind your recruitment, rather it is a smart move. I'll give you my own example as a demonstration. I was accepted to a school in KY and to PNWU, both of which mainly want people from their region in their programs because they believe (and have probably seen) a greater tendency for the physicians they train to stay in the area. I grew up in OR and decided to attend PNWU because (among other reasons) I really want to practice in the NW after school. Yes, I realize I will most likely have to go elsewhere for residency, but after traveling all over the country, I know that at the end of the day I wouldn't want to be anywhere else. I realize this is not the case for everyone, but it is for many people I have encountered during my interviews.


To both of you I wish you the best, and I am very excited to start at PNWU this year! :D
 
Roberie said:
The whole mantra about only wanting local students who will go back to practice in their communities is kind of silly when you consider that most students will be forced to leave for residency anyway. As I understand, residency location is a greater predictive factor for where you'll ultimately practice. The fact that we have so few residencies in the NW means that regardless of student sentiment, most will have no choice but to move away.

Of course, it makes everyone feel warm and fuzzy to say the mission of the institution is to train doctors who will remain local. I guess it's a good PR move, regardless of whether it comes to fruition.
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Agreed, I tried to find the study, but was unable to and cannot spend more time looking for it unfortunately. But, yes, this is likely a PR move.

A word to the wise to those students starting up soon, be prepared to be told one thing and see something completely different being done. Make sure you judge the school based on what they do, not what they say. You will be repeatedly told that the school cares about what the students want. As a 3rd year, I can tell you this is just not the case. We filled out evals all 2nd year discussing frustrations with the curriculum and nothing changed. Something as simple as getting reading assignments on time.... These were legitimate concerns and not just the whinning of stressed out students.

Also, the school has come to my rotation site twice, and not once met with the students even though we were less than 100 yards away. We have also filled out evaluations after rotations and I am positive noone has looked at them. For instance, one of mine stated that the preceptor listed wasn't even my preceptor... Another preceptor was a nurse, not a doctor and I am pretty sure this is a violation of some rule somewhere. You would think if anyone bothered to read the evals, that someone would have caught that 3+ months ago and asked me about it.

No, they do not care about what the students want or need. They, like any other institution, cares about themselves and what they perceive is best for the school in the long run.

To those excited about going here, I honestly hope things change for your sakes. Perhaps I will be proven wrong, but when I am paying 43,000 a year to do it all myself, it has left me a bit frustrated and wondering where my money goes. Oh wait, we built a soccer field or something, meanwhile I am going to have to pay out of pocket for housing at away rotations.
 
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sylvanthus said:
Agreed, I tried to find the study, but was unable to and cannot spend more time looking for it unfortunately. But, yes, this is likely a PR move.

A word to the wise to those students starting up soon, be prepared to be told one thing and see something completely different being done. Make sure you judge the school based on what they do, not what they say. You will be repeatedly told that the school cares about what the students want. As a 3rd year, I can tell you this is just not the case. We filled out evals all 2nd year discussing frustrations with the curriculum and nothing changed. Something as simple as getting reading assignments on time.... These were legitimate concerns and not just the whinning of stressed out students.

Also, the school has come to my rotation site twice, and not once met with the students even though we were less than 100 yards away. We have also filled out evaluations after rotations and I am positive noone has looked at them. For instance, one of mine stated that the preceptor listed wasn't even my preceptor... Another preceptor was a nurse, not a doctor and I am pretty sure this is a violation of some rule somewhere. You would think if anyone bothered to read the evals, that someone would have caught that 3+ months ago and asked me about it.

No, they do not care about what the students want or need. They, like any other institution, cares about themselves and what they perceive is best for the school in the long run.

To those excited about going here, I honestly hope things change for your sakes. Perhaps I will be proven wrong, but when I am paying 43,000 a year to do it all myself, it has left me a bit frustrated and wondering where my money goes. Oh wait, we built a soccer field or something, meanwhile I am going to have to pay out of pocket for housing at away rotations.
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Thanks for your input, as a student starting this fall it is always good to hear current students' input. Are you a 3rd or 4th year this year?

I know it felt like my undergraduate institution didn't read professor evals, which I thought made filling out evals a waste of time. So let's hope PNWU actually will and the changes are just slow to take place (I try to be an optimist).
 
Hey guys, I was offered an interview yesterday (very excited). I replied immediately with the dates I would like I.e. a first and second choice. I haven't heard anything confirming from them yet. How long did it take you guys to hear?
 
sylvanthus said:
Agreed, I tried to find the study, but was unable to and cannot spend more time looking for it unfortunately. But, yes, this is likely a PR move.

A word to the wise to those students starting up soon, be prepared to be told one thing and see something completely different being done. Make sure you judge the school based on what they do, not what they say. You will be repeatedly told that the school cares about what the students want. As a 3rd year, I can tell you this is just not the case. We filled out evals all 2nd year discussing frustrations with the curriculum and nothing changed. Something as simple as getting reading assignments on time.... These were legitimate concerns and not just the whinning of stressed out students.

Also, the school has come to my rotation site twice, and not once met with the students even though we were less than 100 yards away. We have also filled out evaluations after rotations and I am positive noone has looked at them. For instance, one of mine stated that the preceptor listed wasn't even my preceptor... Another preceptor was a nurse, not a doctor and I am pretty sure this is a violation of some rule somewhere. You would think if anyone bothered to read the evals, that someone would have caught that 3+ months ago and asked me about it.

No, they do not care about what the students want or need. They, like any other institution, cares about themselves and what they perceive is best for the school in the long run.

To those excited about going here, I honestly hope things change for your sakes. Perhaps I will be proven wrong, but when I am paying 43,000 a year to do it all myself, it has left me a bit frustrated and wondering where my money goes. Oh wait, we built a soccer field or something, meanwhile I am going to have to pay out of pocket for housing at away rotations.
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I know this probably feels very frustrating, but may not be as different as you think elsewhere. I know that wheels were very slow to turn at my school as well.

What I can say is that your real training will come during residency and med school is largely a staging point to decide what you want to do and work toward getting a residency in that. In the end, you're paying for a degree. No one gets out of med school well trained.
 
Hi everyone! Just wanted to remind those of you who have been accepted that we have created a Facebook page. Please send your request to join PNWU Class of 2016, we will check to make sure you're on the list, and will then add you to the group. I look forward to getting to know you all. Happy New Year!
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Most Medical Schools have a general area of focus. The PNWU focus is an aggressive attempt to fill a great need here in the Pacific Northwest with a shortage of family practice doctors. I don't see anything wrong with that, and rather, think it's a great idea. A.T.Still SOMA also has a program geared towards filling this need in the Pac NW.

As a region, we are very undeserved with family practice physicians due to many factors (such as relative pay rate, many small rural communities etc). A great partial solution to this shortage of physicians in the area is to have more Osteopathic Physicians here. With the extra skill sets of incorporating OMM and the philosophy of looking at the patient as a whole (rather than a potentially unnecisarily immediate referal to a specialist) - it potentially allows for lower costs to the community (fewer unnecessary tests, specialists etc) and therefore, the opportunity for the patient to be efficiently treated by well rounded Osteopathic physicians.

I realize that was a long winded last paragraph - but hopefully the gist of the idea was conveyed; Employing great Osteopathic physicans can be more cost effective in undeserved communities because of their expertise.
 
You missed the point entirely. Doctors tend to stay in the area where they go to residency not where there medical school is. Having that as a mission is great and all, but it is mainly a PR move since studies have shown that it is residency location that matters.
 
nwmedapplicant said:
Most Medical Schools have a general area of focus. The PNWU focus is an aggressive attempt to fill a great need here in the Pacific Northwest with a shortage of family practice doctors. I don't see anything wrong with that, and rather, think it's a great idea. A.T.Still SOMA also has a program geared towards filling this need in the Pac NW.

As a region, we are very undeserved with family practice physicians due to many factors (such as relative pay rate, many small rural communities etc). A great partial solution to this shortage of physicians in the area is to have more Osteopathic Physicians here. With the extra skill sets of incorporating OMM and the philosophy of looking at the patient as a whole (rather than a potentially unnecisarily immediate referal to a specialist) - it potentially allows for lower costs to the community (fewer unnecessary tests, specialists etc) and therefore, the opportunity for the patient to be efficiently treated by well rounded Osteopathic physicians.

I realize that was a long winded last paragraph - but hopefully the gist of the idea was conveyed; Employing great Osteopathic physicans can be more cost effective in undeserved communities because of their expertise.
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Right. No one is doubting that it's a commendable goal to add more physicians to rural areas...just that with the current scenario it's more of a dream than a reality.
 
Well, I am actually one of the students who wants to practice in a rural area. I am from little ol' Idaho and I am fairly certain that I will return to the Northwest no matter where my residency is. It is sad to see rural docs suffering financially because of Medicaid and Medicare cuts. I am hoping that there can be some innovator out there who can provide solutions for this problem. Sorry for rambling on and on.
 
ummm you think I am serious?? Oh gee....Please note we have so many things we have to look at when reviewing apps! Because our school is focused on rural health and the pacific northwest, we have to review applications with that focus...and like all medical schools we have to review applications in an attempt to determine will they be able to handle the rigorous study required of a medical student. This is NOT easy!!! there are soooooooooooooo many great applicants out there and we only have so many slots.
be aware that reviewers were also once applicants who were desperately hoping for a slot. I would hope more of the reviewers remember that time.
Posters that noted studies about those taking a residency in an area tending to stay there is quite true. I experienced that myself, doing a residency on the east coast and ending up practicing there for many years before returning to my home state.
Please also understand this school is new! it takes time to establish new residencies...they do not spring up full bonr from the brow of a god who thinks "I want to have a residency here!" large midwest and east coast schools have had decades to work on residency committments...but be aware when i went to school in the 80's in a large mid west school I still had to do rotations at places that had NO affiliation with the school I attended and we did not have a DO match.

as for a comment that evaluations at the aforementioned school we not beinghat needs another thread. We read all the evaluations! We know where students are coming from...but change takes time...not all changes can occur immediately and some occur in small increments. :-(
 
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Sure, people may read the evaluations, but then do nothing about what is said in the evaluations. Why I am telling people to go off of what the school does and not what they say. Current students do not care if our evals are taken into consideration later on and things changed 10 years down the road. It benefits us not at all. Something as simple as getting reading assignments out on time shouldn't take years to implement.
 
sylvanthus said:
You missed the point entirely. Doctors tend to stay in the area where they go to residency not where there medical school is. Having that as a mission is great and all, but it is mainly a PR move since studies have shown that it is residency location that matters.
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With all due respect sylvanthus, I think it could reasonably be assumed that many of the medical students at PNWU do posess a committment to serve in the Pacific Northwest. The curriculum is geared towards exposure and education in the unique community specific clinical educational environments of rural and underserved areas of the Pac. NW. Having this direct exposure and insight of the challenges faced in these respective commnuties would naturally give PNW medical students vested interest in continuing to serve these communities. This may not ring true for all of the PacNW students, but the students that are genuinely compelled to make positive impacts and potentially revolutionary ideas as to how to address bringing physicians into economically challenged communities is an advantage the PNWU selection criteria provides.
Regarding residency programs, I'd naturally predict that students sharing the same goal of PNWU would competitively apply for residency programs in these same communities. And thus, hopefully help address the dire need of great Osteopathic physicians here in the Pac. NW. with the statistic pointed out by you, sylvanthus, that doctors tend to stay where they have obtained their residency.
 
Well then, I guess it is too bad that there are very very few residencies in the pacific northwest for students to go to? Or did you miss that obvious fact? The school has opened several Family Medicine residencies. Considering that only 1/2 of all osteopathic family medicine residencies even fill, do you think this is going to mean there are a lot of graduating medical students staying here for residency? What about those going into peds, EM, IM, we obviously have to go someplace else.

Also, sounding like you are an authority on medical students intent when you haven't even started medical school is laughable at best. Perhaps YOUR intent is to stay in the pacific northwest, but don't assume that is everyones intent who goes to PNWU. Why, I pointed out that residency location is more of an important factor than medical school location. That has been proven and is not based upon the opinion of one student.

Also, you should be a politician, seriously, flowery words saying a whole lot of nothing.
 
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Wow, this thread is becoming a bit hostile. Definitely not what I joined it for. Do you guys mind just chilling and stop bickering, please?
 
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Wow, this thread is becoming a bit hostile. Definitely not what I joined it for. Do you guys mind just chilling and stop bickering, please?
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But this is the most action this thread has seen in months...;)

Besides, what you call bickering, I call a heated discussion about an important and somewhat ignored issue.
 
Roberie said:
But this is the most action this thread has seen in months...;)

Besides, what you call bickering, I call a heated discussion about an important and somewhat ignored issue.
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It may be the most action this thread has seen for a while, but there is a polite heated discussion and a heated discussion. I don't think we've seen much politeness in the last several posts. Besides, people who are preparing for their interviews will probably read this thread and get a negative impression of the people associated with this school, which is unfair to the school.
 
Ehh its good variety, you will be getting the flowers, sunshine, and rainbows at your interview and tour soon enough.

Edited to add that part of the reason for the hostility is that I am very frustrated and angry at my school right now for paying an exorbiant amount of money with little in the way of communication and assistance from the school itself and there is no real way to vent and inform others of the disadvantages besides a semi-anonymous forum.
 
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Ehh its good variety, you will be getting the flowers, sunshine, and rainbows at your interview and tour soon enough.

Edited to add that part of the reason for the hostility is that I am very frustrated and angry at my school right now for paying an exorbiant amount of money with little in the way of communication and assistance from the school itself and there is no real way to vent and inform others of the disadvantages besides a semi-anonymous forum.
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Actually I've already interviewed and received and acceptance, but thanks for the thought.

I can understand those frustrations, as I went to a private institution for undergrad and had some of the same feelings. All we can really hope for is that things improve over time. Also, I realize no place is perfect but and that is a reason to try to not let negativity completely cloud our outlook.
 
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Well then, I guess it is too bad that there are very very few residencies in the pacific northwest for students to go to? Or did you miss that obvious fact? The school has opened several Family Medicine residencies. Considering that only 1/2 of all osteopathic family medicine residencies even fill, do you think this is going to mean there are a lot of graduating medical students staying here for residency? What about those going into peds, EM, IM, we obviously have to go someplace else.

Also, sounding like you are an authority on medical students intent when you haven't even started medical school is laughable at best. Perhaps YOUR intent is to stay in the pacific northwest, but don't assume that is everyones intent who goes to PNWU. Why, I pointed out that residency location is more of an important factor than medical school location. That has been proven and is not based upon the opinion of one student.

Also, you should be a politician, seriously, flowery words saying a whole lot of nothing.
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Sylvanthus, my thoughts on PNWU's mission statement are not geared towards attacking you. I'd prefer to discuss differences in opinion with tact rather than hostility. I read you are frusterated regarding your experience - but transfering your frusteration onto others with demeaning statements doesn't achieve anything.

The main point of the discussion was simply Pacific NorthWest Universities mission statement being directly geared towards providing more family practice physicians in the pacific northwest. Sure there will be other graduating doctors that will decide on other specialties. Sure some family practice residencies will be elsewhere. And some folks will elect to not return to the Pacific Northwest to practice. The educational opportunity provided by investing a medical student's education with the unique challenges and circumstances of rural medicine will hopefully result in cultivating that desire to continue to serve those same communities.
So please, if you have a difference of opinion or greater insight into this medical education approach - do offer that insight with a bit of respect and tact. Afterall, as a future doctor you ARE an educator.

Sylvanthus, are you a student of PNWU? If so, please give more insight as to what you do not like about the program. Those of us considering the University would certainly like to have current student feedback.:cool:
 
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Sylvanthus, my thoughts on PNWU's mission statement are not geared towards attacking you. I'd prefer to discuss differences in opinion with tact rather than hostility. I read you are frusterated regarding your experience - but transfering your frusteration onto others with demeaning statements doesn't achieve anything.

The main point of the discussion was simply Pacific NorthWest Universities mission statement being directly geared towards providing more family practice physicians in the pacific northwest. Sure there will be other graduating doctors that will decide on other specialties. Sure some family practice residencies will be elsewhere. And some folks will elect to not return to the Pacific Northwest to practice. The educational opportunity provided by investing a medical student's education with the unique challenges and circumstances of rural medicine will hopefully result in cultivating that desire to continue to serve those same communities.
So please, if you have a difference of opinion or greater insight into this medical education approach - do offer that insight with a bit of respect and tact. Afterall, as a future doctor you ARE an educator.

Sylvanthus, are you a student of PNWU? If so, please give more insight as to what you do not like about the program. Those of us considering the University would certainly like to have current student feedback.:cool:
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Ehh screw it. Have fun believing what you will.
 
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At 3:41pm on January 10th, 2012, while studying and preparing for an interview tomorrow at Touro-NV, I received a call from LeAnne. Accepted!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So happy! This will be the only application season I will ever have to go through! ;)
 
No call for me, but I checked my status and got an offer. Stoked because I really didn't want to travel much in the 6 weeks I'm home in the US.

Anyways, it was my top choice. Fired up.
 
ManBroDude said:
At 3:41pm on January 10th, 2012, while studying and preparing for an interview tomorrow at Touro-NV, I received a call from LeAnne. Accepted!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So happy! This will be the only application season I will ever have to go through! ;)
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No call for me, but I checked my status and got an offer. Stoked because I really didn't want to travel much in the 6 weeks I'm home in the US.

Anyways, it was my top choice. Fired up.
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Congrats to you both! Look forward to meeting you guys in August. If you would like to join our class's Facebook page look it up: PNWU Class of 2016.
 
nwmedapplicant said:
Most Medical Schools have a general area of focus. The PNWU focus is an aggressive attempt to fill a great need here in the Pacific Northwest with a shortage of family practice doctors. I don't see anything wrong with that, and rather, think it's a great idea. A.T.Still SOMA also has a program geared towards filling this need in the Pac NW.

As a region, we are very undeserved with family practice physicians due to many factors (such as relative pay rate, many small rural communities etc). A great partial solution to this shortage of physicians in the area is to have more Osteopathic Physicians here. With the extra skill sets of incorporating OMM and the philosophy of looking at the patient as a whole (rather than a potentially unnecisarily immediate referal to a specialist) - it potentially allows for lower costs to the community (fewer unnecessary tests, specialists etc) and therefore, the opportunity for the patient to be efficiently treated by well rounded Osteopathic physicians.

I realize that was a long winded last paragraph - but hopefully the gist of the idea was conveyed; Employing great Osteopathic physicans can be more cost effective in undeserved communities because of their expertise.
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This attitude smacks of arrogance and is not going to endear you to your fellow physicians, many of whom will be MDs.

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Sylvanthus, are you a student of PNWU? If so, please give more insight as to what you do not like about the program. Those of us considering the University would certainly like to have current student feedback.:cool:
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Are you currently applying? Why does your status say medical student?
 
I think earlier he said he's a 2nd year (talking about nwmedapplicant)
 
thesauce said:
This attitude smacks of arrogance and is not going to endear you to your fellow physicians, many of whom will be MDs.



Are you currently applying? Why does your status say medical student?
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Hi thesauce, I reread what I wrote and can see where what I wrote might seem a bit biased towards DOs providing primary care service where finances are becoming more and more constricting. I don't want to mislead with an assumption that just because the doctor is a DO they will be better than an MD . That certainly is not what I tried to convey. I apologize for any misunderstandings on that regard. :)

A great doctor is a great doctor be it MD or DO. However, in the context of insurance companies scrutinizing every test, order, med, therapy a family medicine doctor orders or prescribes - I believe the standard training of a DO can offer more cost efficient therapies and remedies with their extra skill set of diagnosis and treatment utilizing OMM and their more holistic approach to treating both the pathology/malady and the patient. This approach can lead to ruling out some unnecessary diagnostic tests and ordering more pertaining tests (saving money by efficiency).And hopefully, in some cases, by treating the whole patient - achieving a greater circumstance of health for those patients (again lowering costs due to better health)
 
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Here is the Deal.. PNWU is way ahead of the game compared to other new schools in developing residency programs to take care of our students on graduation...COCA is putting out a requirement that schools actively develop residency slots...our school is one of the few new schools that started that development from then day the school received pre-accreditation. This is not an easy process but it is one we knew we would have to do...at the start. the problem is that some students seemed to feel we could build residencies from our brows full blown because they wanted one in thier chosen area. Unfortunately it does NOT work that way...and state/regional/hospital politics interfere. That we have developed the one's we have is a MIRACLE!!!
and we continue to work on it...Never say die!!!!
final COCA accreditation review is in Feb for full accreditation. we will do this and we continue to work on developing new residency slots for our students.
 
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congrats Davedm also! i look forward to seeing you at orientation in august
 
nwmedapplicant said:
Hi thesauce, I reread what I wrote and can see where what I wrote might seem a bit biased towards DOs providing primary care service where finances are becoming more and more constricting. I don't want to mislead with an assumption that just because the doctor is a DO they will be better than an MD . That certainly is not what I tried to convey. I apologize for any misunderstandings on that regard. :)

A great doctor is a great doctor be it MD or DO. However, in the context of insurance companies scrutinizing every test, order, med, therapy a family medicine doctor orders or prescribes - I believe the standard training of a DO can offer more cost efficient therapies and remedies with their extra skill set of diagnosis and treatment utilizing OMM and their more holistic approach to treating both the pathology/malady and the patient. This approach can lead to ruling out some unnecessary diagnostic tests and ordering more pertaining tests (saving money by efficiency).And hopefully, in some cases, by treating the whole patient - achieving a greater circumstance of health for those patients (again lowering costs due to better health).Here in Oregon, I work in research at OHSU that employs predominantly MDs. OHSU is ranked high for primary care allopathic medical education. Over the years, I've had the opportunity to discuss DO training and philosophy in friendly conversations with some of the MDs involved in the medical school education - and I find it exciting that many have agreed that having the extra skillset of OMM could possibly benefit their models for treatments of patients. I'm only citing this personal story to show that there is a local movement here of increased interest in the benefits that OMM provides as an option or accessory to their standard treatments that MDs (at least here) are acknowledging.Sorry this was another long winded opinion - but I think there is some value in the context of saving money by employing great doctors with extra diagnostic and treatment tools.regarding my status, I work collaboratively with MDs and DVMs in biomedical surgical research at OHSU. Ive been accepted for the class of 2012 at a different medical school, and am on the wait list for another. I have an interview at my first pick school of PNWU soon and have my fingers crossed.
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Many, if not most, DOs train at ACGME residency alongside MD residents. Do you really think the DOs are being taken aside and taught how to practice "holistic medicine" while the MDs are not? This holistic, whole-body spiel is for the birds - it's really meant for the uneducated public. All docs are trained in this.

PCPs are trained to try to manage things on their own as much as possible. It's a source of pride for them. I remember how pissed my MD or DO attendings (I had both) would be when I would consult another service during internship. It's a last resort for any PCP, MD or DO.

Please don't misinterpret these statements as somehow anti-DO. The DOs in my specialty are absolutely amazing - far better docs than me. A new DO attending at my institution is everyone's favorite to work with. I understand that many DOs are non-trads or military that became stellar students later in life, etc. Being from the area, I fully support the mission of PNWU and will likely offer my practice as a teaching site if I end up back home after residency. But let's face the music a little bit here: in today's world, there is no distinct difference between MD and DO.

Also, I know it can be tempting, but try to honestly state your status. People on here rely on advice from others to make big decisions. Some question the intelligence of that, but someone on here thought you were a second year - so they must have thought you were speaking as an authority on the school/curriculum. Meanwhile you cut off the honest feedback from a poster who IS a medical student (granted maybe he got a little worked up). I realize how you feel: I finished medical school in February of my 4th year and had 4 months to sit around and do nothing before graduation. However, I was not a doctor yet - not legally or ethically. You have to pay your dues and reach milestones - it's just part of the path.

I wish you the best of luck and it's nice to see a future DO so interested in research.
 
thesauce said:
Many, if not most, DOs train at ACGME residency alongside MD residents. Do you really think the DOs are being taken aside and taught how to practice "holistic medicine" while the MDs are not? This holistic, whole-body spiel is for the birds - it's really meant for the uneducated public. All docs are trained in this.

PCPs are trained to try to manage things on their own as much as possible. It's a source of pride for them. I remember how pissed my MD or DO attendings (I had both) would be when I would consult another service during internship. It's a last resort for any PCP, MD or DO.

Please don't misinterpret these statements as somehow anti-DO. The DOs in my specialty are absolutely amazing - far better docs than me. A new DO attending at my institution is everyone's favorite to work with. I understand that many DOs are non-trads or military that became stellar students later in life, etc. Being from the area, I fully support the mission of PNWU and will likely offer my practice as a teaching site if I end up back home after residency. But let's face the music a little bit here: in today's world, there is no distinct difference between MD and DO.

Also, I know it can be tempting, but try to honestly state your status. People on here rely on advice from others to make big decisions. Some question the intelligence of that, but someone on here thought you were a second year - so they must have thought you were speaking as an authority on the school/curriculum. Meanwhile you cut off the honest feedback from a poster who IS a medical student (granted maybe he got a little worked up). I realize how you feel: I finished medical school in February of my 4th year and had 4 months to sit around and do nothing before graduation. However, I was not a doctor yet - not legally or ethically. You have to pay your dues and reach milestones - it's just part of the path.

I wish you the best of luck and it's nice to see a future DO so interested in research.
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Thank you for your insight and well wishes thesauce. :) And I apologize if my status was misleading - I simply changed from premedical to medical last week after I received my first acceptance. So to avoid any future misunderstandings, I'll change it back to premed until school starts and I have more direct experience.

Congratulations to the applicants that have been accepted into PNWU next year's starting class! :thumbup:
 
sylvanthus said:
Another preceptor was a nurse, not a doctor and I am pretty sure this is a violation of some rule somewhere. You would think if anyone bothered to read the evals, that someone would have caught that 3+ months ago and asked me about it.

No, they do not care about what the students want or need. They, like any other institution, cares about themselves and what they perceive is best for the school in the long run.
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I hope that at least the "pimp" questions were easy for that rotation.:rofl:
 
Congrats!

ManBroDude said:
At 3:41pm on January 10th, 2012, while studying and preparing for an interview tomorrow at Touro-NV, I received a call from LeAnne. Accepted!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So happy! This will be the only application season I will ever have to go through! ;)
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Any more updates on what kind of questions they ask in the MMI interview? Like is it all scenario based questions or will they have a part more like a traditional panel interview where they will go over your applications, grades, and more personal stuff like "tell me about yourself"?
 
Got interview notice today for 2/3/11. OOS. Is there more detailed information within the thread about the interview format?
 
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