LECOM-Erie Discussion Thread 2010-2011

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anyone interviewing april 15th?

Also, for people who have already interviewed, where do you think is the best place to stay for the night? How did you get to your interview?

I stayed at the Courtyard by Mariott. It was very, very clean and even has a small indoor swimming pool. It is closer to LECOM than any of the hotels admissions recommended..literally five minutes from LECOM. I had my car with me and drove to my interview from the hotel, though.
 
Is anyone thinking of PCSP?
Totally worth it if primary care is definitely what you want to do. If you're unsure or are just doing it to knock off a year at school, go ISP.
 
Anyone hear back from 3.25 yet? I got an email needing a DO letter, which I shall obtain after shadowing one next week. Hopefully, that means I will be asked to attend after the letter arrives. It better not always be 20 degrees F up there...we Alabama folks need some sunburn haha.
 
Anyone hear back from 3.25 yet? I got an email needing a DO letter, which I shall obtain after shadowing one next week. Hopefully, that means I will be asked to attend after the letter arrives. It better not always be 20 degrees F up there...we Alabama folks need some sunburn haha.


Oh not always. Only betwen november and april...haha.. only
 
I have a 4 bedroom townhouse on w. grandview with 3 rooms occupied with 1st year males. PM email address and I will send you more info. We would be open to a male or female roommate.
 
Anyone hear back from 3.25 yet? I got an email needing a DO letter, which I shall obtain after shadowing one next week. Hopefully, that means I will be asked to attend after the letter arrives. It better not always be 20 degrees F up there...we Alabama folks need some sunburn haha.

Got the same email as you tinsley - also interviewed 3/25 and met you on the shuttle after interview (thesis guy). I won't be able to get to the letter until a week or two at the earliest b/c of said thesis. I swear I read something about not needing the DO letter unless we were accepted...maybe I'm mistaken.

Hopefully the email is good news though? And that they just want the letter before handing out the acceptance.
 
Got the same email as you tinsley - also interviewed 3/25 and met you on the shuttle after interview (thesis guy). I won't be able to get to the letter until a week or two at the earliest b/c of said thesis. I swear I read something about not needing the DO letter unless we were accepted...maybe I'm mistaken.

Hopefully the email is good news though? And that they just want the letter before handing out the acceptance.

Now that right there sounds like my kind of logic partner. Sure hope that thesis is going well for you. You seem to have a damn solid head on your shoulders, so I'm sure all will be well for you, especially if the aforementioned logic proves accurate.

Not sure why I feel the need to mention this, but I have the strangest craving for Mexican food right about now.
 
I'm in the same boat. My DO took months to write a letter; actually she never has - I just got one from another DO. I interviewed 3/4/11 and sent the DO letter on 3/21/11. They processed it 3/29/11 (I did call to check that they had gotten the letter). What I'm assuming was the same time - since I checked 30 min after calling and the letter was processed and the administration decision had been reached and they will be sending me a letter in the next 30 days. It kind of worries me that there was no time for the committee to interview. If I'm correct there has been a post here in the forum that someone needed the DO letter to complete their application then did get on the waiting list. I'll let you know how it turns out for me (hopefully positive!).

It seems to me that they are changing the policy on the DO letter. Some of the information asks for the DO letter is you get an interview (which I assume is going to be the new requirement). We must be in the transition phase where we interviewed without the letter but won't be accepted without one...
 
im interviewing on apr 15th!!! any recs? where to stay and hows the interview like?
 
Im interviewing on April 15th...would anyone like to share a hotel room??

PM me
 
Interviewed on 3/11
DO Letter Received 3/28
Accepted 4/1


30q mcat, twice (33q composite)
grad gpa: 3.75
ugrad gpa: 3.25

Excited to be accepted, looks like i might be coming to Erie 🙂

So for those who are still interviewing, you are interviewing for an acceptance not for the wait-list as some believe. People who were waitlisted in jan-feb said on their letters it states the class is full, but it clearly isn't. Good Luck
 
Interviewed on 3/11
DO Letter Received 3/28
Accepted 4/1


30q mcat, twice (33q composite)
grad gpa: 3.75
ugrad gpa: 3.25

Excited to be accepted, looks like i might be coming to Erie 🙂

So for those who are still interviewing, you are interviewing for an acceptance not for the wait-list as some believe. People who were waitlisted in jan-feb said on their letters it states the class is full, but it clearly isn't. Good Luck

Congrats Pdiddy916!!!!
 
Totally worth it if primary care is definitely what you want to do. If you're unsure or are just doing it to knock off a year at school, go ISP.

Yea I agree 100%. As a general rule, don't lock yourself into something (PCSP, HPSP, any other loan programs) just to save money because you will probably end up regretting it later. I would say out of my friends in my class, only a few of us still want to do the specialties we wanted when we started. If you know for a fact that doing FP, general IM or general peds is what you want and nothing will change that, then think about PCSP. But if you are uncertain at all, don't do it.

Ask yourself one question: If there was no financial gain, would you still want to do it? I was planning on joining the military as a doc before I even found out about HPSP so it was a no brainer for me.
 
Yea I agree 100%. As a general rule, don't lock yourself into something (PCSP, HPSP, any other loan programs) just to save money because you will probably end up regretting it later. I would say out of my friends in my class, only a few of us still want to do the specialties we wanted when we started. If you know for a fact that doing FP, general IM or general peds is what you want and nothing will change that, then think about PCSP. But if you are uncertain at all, don't do it.

Ask yourself one question: If there was no financial gain, would you still want to do it? I was planning on joining the military as a doc before I even found out about HPSP so it was a no brainer for me.
Just to clarify, PCSP is actually strictly FP or IM now--they no longer allow Pediatrics or OB/GYN. I guess that residencies weren't too willing to accept PCSP students that only rotated through those specialties just once. Losing all of the electives kind of limits you there, especially with both of those specialties being fairly competitive these days.
 
anyone wanna split a room with me on april 15th? ill be interviewing then...

PM me
 
Got the same email as you tinsley - also interviewed 3/25 and met you on the shuttle after interview (thesis guy). I won't be able to get to the letter until a week or two at the earliest b/c of said thesis. I swear I read something about not needing the DO letter unless we were accepted...maybe I'm mistaken.

Hopefully the email is good news though? And that they just want the letter before handing out the acceptance.
Has anyone in this situation - interviewed, then requested to submit the DO letter - subsequently not been accepted?
 
Has anyone in this situation - interviewed, then requested to submit the DO letter - subsequently not been accepted?

i hope not since they asked me on Wednesday through email. i went to the 3/25 interview. Probably get the acceptance/wait list/rejection letter on monday and will let you guys know. It was kind of annoying when they asked me since i had sent all my letters on 3/1 but when i called them 3/26 they said it must of gotten overlooked in all the ruckus. i guess its my fault for not confirming with them.
 
Has anyone in this situation - interviewed, then requested to submit the DO letter - subsequently not been accepted?

Not me. Interviewed March 4th, needed the DO letter. I sent the letter on the 22 of March. Called the 29th to see that it had at least arrived. Within 20 min my status changed to DO letter received and that I was going to get a letter within 30 days. So since there was no time for the committee to meet I'm assuming that the decision was already made in a previous meeting! I got the letter today. LECOM class of 2015 ISP!!!! So exicted!
 
My DO emailed the letter on the 30th and my status changed immediately stating my decision letter was on the way. Hope it's good new like yours. Congrats!
 
Thanks! I'm so excited! and I am definitely going to LECOM! skwerlz - you will probably find out tomorrow - at this point I am pretty certain that it will not be a rejection since they obviously have already reviewed your file! Good luck though and let us know how it goes.

Congrats! Welcome to ISP!

My DO emailed the letter on the 30th and my status changed immediately stating my decision letter was on the way. Hope it's good new like yours. Congrats!
 
hello,

i have an interview on apr 15th. what should i expect? Any help will be appreciated.


thank you
 
I too am a fellow ISP Student!

On the website and during the interview day, it was stated that we can attend as many classes with the LDP students as we feel necessary.. has anyone heard anything different? I've taken most of the first year curriculum already so that's why I chose ISP but certain classes (embryology and medical genetics) I have not and would probably want to attend a lot of those lectures. Just want to make sure it is possible to do.
 
hello,

i have an interview on apr 15th. what should i expect? Any help will be appreciated.


thank you

Well, the day I went. I walked into the door and admissions spotted me right away and called me over to their table. I got an information packet and a junk drive and was instructed to wait in the cafeteria. After gathering us up from the cafeteria they took us to a presentation room where for about an hour and a half they had presentations on the school, pathways, and financial aid. The guy over PBL had a 'mock PBL session' where he presented a case and asked the interviewees for input on what to do next, possible causes. He said that it would not affect the outcome of the interview (but then he was one of the interviewers for one of the groups...). Then we got divided up into groups for the interview. there were 6 total in my group. First they asked background info (school graduated, where from, etc. and one interesting thing that would surprise your friends). Then they asked two questions each to the interviewees. Some got better questions than others...for example: some students got to talk about past experiences while I was asked about future expectations. My past experiences are great - my future is unknown - I'm not complaining, it's just the nature of the group interview that the focus will not be all on you; which can be a good or bad thing.
Then came the part of the interview that the interviewers threw out a topic and the group discussed it (it had a very informal feel - which was nice). Here is where all your shadowing or volunteering experience comes in handy giving specific examples. They asked what you thought made up a good Dr. After getting altruistic responses from most of the applicants - such as spend time getting to know patient etc., they asked how you balanced that with the bosses pushing for faster service and insurance not wanting to pay (they want to know that you realize that medicine is a business - and how you balanced the best possible for the patient with reality). Then they asked some case studies. One of the students actually threw out a case study in which they did not know the answer (risky in my opinion). There were some students that were pretty quiet and basically only answered when asked a question - while others kind of monopolized the conversation (personality differences). However, I still think they could get a feel for who knew what they were talking about.
Other interview questions:
How did you deal with a difficult situation at work or school?
What is your greatest achievement?
What pathway do you think is a best fit for you and why?
(I might remember more later...)
After the interview we meet back up in the presentation room then took a tour of the school. Then ate lunch with current student that you could ask questions to (very helpful!). If the people you are sitting next to monopolize the conversation in a direction you are not interested you could always switch to another group.
And that is my experience in a a rather large nutshell...
 
I too am a fellow ISP Student!

On the website and during the interview day, it was stated that we can attend as many classes with the LDP students as we feel necessary.. has anyone heard anything different? I've taken most of the first year curriculum already so that's why I chose ISP but certain classes (embryology and medical genetics) I have not and would probably want to attend a lot of those lectures. Just want to make sure it is possible to do.

That's what I heard too - that you could attend any of the lectures that you wanted to as an ISP. Also, one of the main reasons I chose it 🙂
Not to mention, you can switch to LDP basically at any time if you would prefer. The first weeks I understood that ISP will be with LDP for anatomy (lecture + lab), so if have done those before I don't think you will get out of those lecture - not that I'm saying you would want to :meanie:!
 
Journey2become you were right. The ACCEPTANCE letter came today! WOOHOO!
 
Journey2become you were right. The ACCEPTANCE letter came today! WOOHOO!

wa wa waaaa i got a waitlist letter today even though they asked me for my DO letter. Well its better than a rejection. Just hope for a lot of movement on the list.
 
Journey2become you were right. The ACCEPTANCE letter came today! WOOHOO!

Fantastic! What pathway? So it looks like no one has been asked for a DO letter then been rejected - that will be good news for other sdn's! However, it is possible to be waitlisted like islanders can testify - which is WAY better than a rejection letter.
I'm sorry you have to wait even longer islanders, and I hope your acceptance comes quickly!
 
That's what I heard too - that you could attend any of the lectures that you wanted to as an ISP. Also, one of the main reasons I chose it 🙂
Not to mention, you can switch to LDP basically at any time if you would prefer. The first weeks I understood that ISP will be with LDP for anatomy (lecture + lab), so if have done those before I don't think you will get out of those lecture - not that I'm saying you would want to :meanie:!
All of the pathways are together for anatomy block (anatomy, histology, and embryology), and lectures are mandatory for everyone during that time. Attending LDP lectures as an ISP student really isn't all that helpful. In fact, they'll usually confuse you more than anything else, as the LDP people tend to get a lot more extra "fluff" in their lectures that you won't have to cover in your modules. Also, while you can switch to LDP at any time, you might not be able to switch back to ISP ever again. Once you leave a pathway, you lose your spot, and ISP usually has a waiting list for people to switch into it.

As for genetics, you'll be fine with just the module. I had never taken it before (or any upper level biology or biochemistry courses for that matter), and I managed to get an A. It's taught by Dr. Bradbury, so the module is very well put together, although very dense. Just hope that you get more than five days next year--they did it the week of our white coat ceremony this year, so we had literally five days to learn like fourteen chapters... I would say biochemistry and physiology are the worst ISP modules of core. Can't say much for systems yet, since we've only really had MSK.
 
Thank you for the info Slane! Have you heard anything about board scores by LDP vs ISP? And would you know how exam format varies between LDP and ISP...I remember hearing that LDP has board-exam format exams but did not hear what format the ISP exams are?




All of the pathways are together for anatomy block (anatomy, histology, and embryology), and lectures are mandatory for everyone during that time. Attending LDP lectures as an ISP student really isn't all that helpful. In fact, they'll usually confuse you more than anything else, as the LDP people tend to get a lot more extra "fluff" in their lectures that you won't have to cover in your modules. Also, while you can switch to LDP at any time, you might not be able to switch back to ISP ever again. Once you leave a pathway, you lose your spot, and ISP usually has a waiting list for people to switch into it.

As for genetics, you'll be fine with just the module. I had never taken it before (or any upper level biology or biochemistry courses for that matter), and I managed to get an A. It's taught by Dr. Bradbury, so the module is very well put together, although very dense. Just hope that you get more than five days next year--they did it the week of our white coat ceremony this year, so we had literally five days to learn like fourteen chapters... I would say biochemistry and physiology are the worst ISP modules of core. Can't say much for systems yet, since we've only really had MSK.
 
Fantastic! What pathway? So it looks like no one has been asked for a DO letter then been rejected - that will be good news for other sdn's! However, it is possible to be waitlisted like islanders can testify - which is WAY better than a rejection letter.
I'm sorry you have to wait even longer islanders, and I hope your acceptance comes quickly!
LDP - now to find an apartment.
 
I interviewed here on Friday and was very impressed with this school especially with the different pathways.

For those of you who have had a decision made post-interview, about how long did you wait? I realize it will probably take longer for me since the application cycle is coming to an end.
 
Thank you for the info Slane! Have you heard anything about board scores by LDP vs ISP? And would you know how exam format varies between LDP and ISP...I remember hearing that LDP has board-exam format exams but did not hear what format the ISP exams are?

They have given us stats in the past that showed there isn't too much difference in board scores across the different pathways.

The actual exams are pretty similar since the same faculty that teach LDP usually contribute to the ISP modules and make the tests. The only difference in that regard are the clinicians that come in to teach/guest lecture during the different systems and write their own questions. They are not usually included on the ISP test.
 
They did warn us that after classes start it would be hard to switch to anything but ISP to LDP. However, since LDP was initially my first choice and ISP caught my interest...I thought it would be wiser to start off with ISP and if I absolutely wanted to go to LDP then I could change (I figured that would be my last say in the matter if I did - but I hated the idea of cutting off my options in the beginning).
I then decided that ISP would probably be the best fit for me, so I actually called in a few weeks after my interview and had it changed from LDP to ISP.:soexcited:
So what does a module typically consist of? Is it all similar to a textbook? Are there quizzes or questions to answer? Where is the test taken at? Is the test marked for a certain day or can you take it early? Just wondering...

All of the pathways are together for anatomy block (anatomy, histology, and embryology), and lectures are mandatory for everyone during that time. Attending LDP lectures as an ISP student really isn't all that helpful. In fact, they'll usually confuse you more than anything else, as the LDP people tend to get a lot more extra "fluff" in their lectures that you won't have to cover in your modules. Also, while you can switch to LDP at any time, you might not be able to switch back to ISP ever again. Once you leave a pathway, you lose your spot, and ISP usually has a waiting list for people to switch into it.

As for genetics, you'll be fine with just the module. I had never taken it before (or any upper level biology or biochemistry courses for that matter), and I managed to get an A. It's taught by Dr. Bradbury, so the module is very well put together, although very dense. Just hope that you get more than five days next year--they did it the week of our white coat ceremony this year, so we had literally five days to learn like fourteen chapters... I would say biochemistry and physiology are the worst ISP modules of core. Can't say much for systems yet, since we've only really had MSK.
 
From what I can tell, they seem to make decisions quickly once they have all your info. Getting my DO letter held up my decision, but it was immediate - like within an hour, literally - that they posted that a decision was made after they received the DO letter via email. Good luck!
 
So what does a module typically consist of? Is it all similar to a textbook? Are there quizzes or questions to answer? Where is the test taken at? Is the test marked for a certain day or can you take it early? Just wondering...
It is usually a list of chapters to read, and each chapter then has objectives that you have to answer. Exam questions come straight from the material covered in the objectives, so if you work your way through and cover everything, you're almost guaranteed to do well and learn everything you need for boards. Some modules include appendices or other extra resources to use with the textbook. Some modules you can use the LDP slides to answer the objectives and not even buy a textbook. I love the way ISP modules are set up--my time is spent on schoolwork is much more productive than sitting in lecture where I usually zone out after an hour.
 
Slane:

Regarding textbooks, I know that buying previous editions is on a case by case basis but I was wondering if in ISP owning the current version was mandatory, or at least more important? Like do they give certain page numbers and chapter etc? Or do previous editions work fine?

I only ask because I have a huge collection of textbooks already (half inherited from my bro and half from PA school).

Thanks so much!
 
OK i'm probably going to get blasted for asking this question as I am sure it has been asked a ton of times. Can someone finally put the rumors to rest concerning anatomy for us PBLers "at the Erie campus". Are we using cadavers or computers? Are we with the other pathways or on our own? Just want to know what to expect and all my research sheds conflicting light on what the PBL pathway "in Erie" has to expect regarding this matter. Thanks
 
Slane:

Regarding textbooks, I know that buying previous editions is on a case by case basis but I was wondering if in ISP owning the current version was mandatory, or at least more important? Like do they give certain page numbers and chapter etc? Or do previous editions work fine?

I only ask because I have a huge collection of textbooks already (half inherited from my bro and half from PA school).

Thanks so much!
The only new edition that I bought was for pharmacology. That's about the only subject really that changes on a regular basis. All of my other books were one edition older and cost me about 25% as much, some even less. And actually, a lot of the professors write the objectives using old editions, so a few of the core modules were actually easier for me (namely physiology and immunology.)

OK i'm probably going to get blasted for asking this question as I am sure it has been asked a ton of times. Can someone finally put the rumors to rest concerning anatomy for us PBLers "at the Erie campus". Are we using cadavers or computers? Are we with the other pathways or on our own? Just want to know what to expect and all my research sheds conflicting light on what the PBL pathway "in Erie" has to expect regarding this matter. Thanks
This year, PBL and only PBL used the software--ISP and LDP got to use cadavers in the lab. As bad as they smelled, I feel like I learned a lot better than I ever could have from a computer screen. Anatomy is one of those subjects where you need to see the 3D spatial arrangement of everything to truly understand it--pictures on a screen just can't pull that off.
 
ok i'm probably going to get blasted for asking this question as i am sure it has been asked a ton of times. Can someone finally put the rumors to rest concerning anatomy for us pblers "at the erie campus". Are we using cadavers or computers? Are we with the other pathways or on our own? Just want to know what to expect and all my research sheds conflicting light on what the pbl pathway "in erie" has to expect regarding this matter. Thanks


pbl in erie, seton hill= computer anatomy
pbl in bradenton= pre-dissected cadavers
 
Great...so I get an email saying that they did receive my D.O. letter, but that it is blank with just the doctor's signature. lol. Hopefully this was an accident and the doctor didn't intentionally leave it blank!
Also, does this mean that a decision has been made if they're requesting the letter? It's been less than a week since I interviewed there.
 
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DITTO THAT!
I would like to see a current book list...I was fortunate enough to get a new Gray's Anatomy as a desk copy and new Harrison's and Lippincott pharm in the past year (the big daddy)...yay for being an underpaid educator!--but I am sure there are a few more must-haves. Really want to keep book costs down as much as possible. I have a 10+ yo Big Robbins (has pathology changed that much??)...hmmmm.
Thanks all.

Slane:

Regarding textbooks, I know that buying previous editions is on a case by case basis but I was wondering if in ISP owning the current version was mandatory, or at least more important? Like do they give certain page numbers and chapter etc? Or do previous editions work fine?

I only ask because I have a huge collection of textbooks already (half inherited from my bro and half from PA school).

Thanks so much!
 
Great...so I get an email saying that they did receive my D.O. letter, but that it is blank with just the doctor's signature. lol. Hopefully this was an accident and the doctor didn't intentionally leave it blank!
Also, does this mean that a decision has been made if they're requesting the letter? It's been less than a week since I interviewed there.

It is my theory...and only a theory, uhm, I should say hypothesis that they only ask for a D.O. letter after they make a decision (that is not reject, but could be accept or waitlist). However, I'm not sure about later in the application season, or the fact that they are just pointing out that they there was something wrong with the letter. But it is possible if they meet yesterday and you got the letter since then that they have already reached a decision on your application. However, the sample size is still too small and it seems that people receiving rejections are not chiming in (which often happens in science where negative results are not published). Having said all that - Good luck! I hope you can get the D.O letter resolved quicky then you can tell us your good news :xf:
 
It is usually a list of chapters to read, and each chapter then has objectives that you have to answer. Exam questions come straight from the material covered in the objectives, so if you work your way through and cover everything, you're almost guaranteed to do well and learn everything you need for boards. Some modules include appendices or other extra resources to use with the textbook. Some modules you can use the LDP slides to answer the objectives and not even buy a textbook. I love the way ISP modules are set up--my time is spent on schoolwork is much more productive than sitting in lecture where I usually zone out after an hour.

Thanks for the info!
 
It is my theory...and only a theory, uhm, I should say hypothesis that they only ask for a D.O. letter after they make a decision (that is not reject, but could be accept or waitlist). However, I'm not sure about later in the application season, or the fact that they are just pointing out that they there was something wrong with the letter. But it is possible if they meet yesterday and you got the letter since then that they have already reached a decision on your application. However, the sample size is still too small and it seems that people receiving rejections are not chiming in (which often happens in science where negative results are not published). Having said all that - Good luck! I hope you can get the D.O letter resolved quicky then you can tell us your good news :xf:

lol. Thanks. Well I thought that my interview went really well so I'm hoping that it isn't a rejection. I did get the letter problem solved (thanks a lot for screwing it up interfolio!) so I guess I'll see if a decision was made very soon.
 
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