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Tucson 2nd Lookers, let us know your thoughts! Thanks! 😀

Tucson:

Waitlist Position-
14) SmokeyGray - IS; ACCEPTED 03/22/10. 1 other acceptance, 2 other waitlists, waiting on 3 more
16) Ilovewater - IS; ACCEPTED 03/30/10. 3 other acceptances, waiting on 5
17) tmm808 - IS; ACCEPTED 04/13/10. 3 other acceptances
20) SurfdudeJD - IS; ACCEPTED 04/21/10 waiting on 3 others
34) Indiana06 - OOS; Accepted @ Phx
39) Nasappah - OOS; 2 other acceptances, couple waitlists
42) ACE28 - IS
46) ehandber - IS; 0 other acceptances/applications.
49) MedHopeful777 - IS, 0 other waitlists, 0 other acceptances, small pooled at Rosalind Franklin
61) MadeInReydn - IS; 1 other acceptance (Set on UA, not sure which campus)
62) paiger - IS; 0 other acceptances (2 other waitlists)
81) Happyglucky - IS; 2 other acceptances, waiting on 1
85) sweetlife - IS ; 0 other acceptances
89) aztri - IS; 0 other acceptances
93) countryboydoc - IS; Accepted @ Phx, 2 other acceptances, 3 waitlists, waiting on 3 more
121) sunny1 - IS
123) BearDownAZ - IS; 0 other acceptances (1 waitlist, 1 in TBD)

Phoenix:

Waitlist date-
IS:
03/04
happyglucky - IS--ACCEPTED 03/24/10
Who Dat Nation - IS ACCEPTED 04/06/10
2 LEGIT 2 QUIT - IS
7franks - IS
bminz - IS (Set on Phoenix)
chagramama- IS
Ehandber - IS (WL'd #46 @ Tucson)
MadeInReydn - IS (WL'd #61 @ Tucson)
Opt79- IS
shep's friend (33 MCAT) - IS?

03/12
aztri- IS (WL'd #89 @Tucson)
paiger- IS (WL'd #62 @ Tucson)

OOS:
03/05
nyyfan65 - OOS; ACCEPTED 04/16/10
DancinSarah - OOS
JMJ777 - OOS; 1 other waitlist, 1 interview to go
Meducated - OOS
MIR's Friend - OOS; 1 acceptance, a few other WL's, Phx not his top choice
Nasappah - OOS
Phosphorus Ylide - OOS; 1 other acceptance (Will decline and accept Phoenix, if taken off the WL)
ShameFame - OOS

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TUCSON

Entering Fall 2007:

Around 4/28: 10
Around 5/15: 38
By matriculation day: 53-54

Entering Fall 2008:

3/24 (12 days): 3
3/25 (13 days): 5
4/04 (3 ½ weeks): 12
4/07 (4 weeks): 13
4/10 Tucson and PHX 2nd Look
4/22 (6 weeks): 18
4/28 (6 ½ weeks): 20
5/01 (7 weeks): 25
5/08 (8 weeks): 32
5/12 (8 ½ weeks): 33
5/15 (9 weeks): 39
5/19 (9 ½ weeks): 42
5/23 (10 ½ weeks): 48
5/27 (11 weeks): 49
6/03 (12 weeks): 52
6/05 (12 weeks): 57
6/11 (13 weeks): 59
7/28 (19 ½ weeks): 63
Matriculation day: 65

Entering Fall 2009:

3/18 (7 days): 6
3/25 (2 weeks): 10
3/30 (2 ½ weeks): 11
4/01 (3 weeks): 13
4/08 (4 weeks): 15
4/09-11: Tucson and PHX 2nd Look
4/15 (5 weeks): 17
4/27 (6 ½ weeks): 19
5/04 (7 ½ weeks): 23
5/11 (8 ½ weeks): 25
5/15 (9 weeks): 32
5/18 (9 ½ weeks): 37
5/21 (10 weeks): 40
5/29 (11 weeks): 44
6/05 (12 ½ weeks): 47
7/08 (17 weeks): 49
7/28 (19 ½ weeks): 51
Matriculation day: 55

Entering Fall 2010:

3/15 (3 days): 13
3/22 (10 days): 14
3/30 (2 ½ weeks): 16
4/08-10: PHX 2nd Look
4/13 (4 weeks): 17
4/21 (5 ½ weeks): 20
4/23: Tucson 2nd Look
4/23 (6 weeks): 22
 
I wish we could have nice plots like these for the phoenix campus too. Maybe ill call on monday to see how many have come off the wl so far?
 
I am SO happy for the waitlist movement, but I agree with MadeIn that I hope it doesn't take away from movement in May. I have good feelings about it though!

As for second look day, I didn't get to go obviously because of being on the waitlist and not accepted yet, but I do work in the Children's Research Center which is attached to the College of Medicine. I saw all the happy second lookers with their UA COM folders walking around. It looked like SO much fun, can't wait to hear what everyone thought!
 
MadeInReydn said:
Tucson 2nd Lookers, let us know your thoughts! Thanks! 😀
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I had a great time at second look! It was nice meeting some fellow classmates (including the boat, who will be a future classmate). I enjoyed meeting all the deans and such. One guy was freakin' hilarious and would give Erik, the comedian, a run for his money. Anyways, that's all I feel like saying right now cuz I'm tired...oh, it was cold and rainy in Tucson today, so that was nice too.
 
Second look down in Tucson was fun. I agree with LRK that the counselor dude was hilarious.

I reallllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllly hope I get in.

And, it was a blast to meet all of you in person! You're all even more cool than I had expected 😎.
 
ehandber said:
Second look down in Tucson was fun. I agree with LRK that the counselor dude was hilarious.

I reallllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllly hope I get in.

And, it was a blast to meet all of you in person! You're all even more cool than I had expected 😎.
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haha.....you got a bit schwasty....lol
 
2L2Q, probably better to ask on the accepted thread. Even if it did come out, we wouldn't know! 😉

And Shep, we definitely should go to the bars once or twice. It was a great time down in Tucson.

Do you guys have any ideas for how to spend my summer? I want to "do" something because I am likely not going to have much of a chance to go do anything for a while. I want to do something that is not just playing video games or learning how to play the piano (both of which I intend on doing, just not this summer)

Already being considered:

Dude ranch (Go try to be a cowboy for a week = 2k$... 😕)
Be a camp counselor for those nature camps kids go to in middleschool.
Go live with my family in Denmark for 2 months ($$$)
Go on a road trip (need someone to go with though, otherwise bleh)
Move to a mountain town for 2 months, become a mountain man.
 
ehandber said:
2L2Q, probably better to ask on the accepted thread. Even if it did come out, we wouldn't know! 😉

And Shep, we definitely should go to the bars once or twice. It was a great time down in Tucson.

Do you guys have any ideas for how to spend my summer? I want to "do" something because I am likely not going to have much of a chance to go do anything for a while. I want to do something that is not just playing video games or learning how to play the piano (both of which I intend on doing, just not this summer)

Already being considered:

Dude ranch (Go try to be a cowboy for a week = 2k$... 😕)
Be a camp counselor for those nature camps kids go to in middleschool.
Go live with my family in Denmark for 2 months ($$$)
Go on a road trip (need someone to go with though, otherwise bleh)
Move to a mountain town for 2 months, become a mountain man.
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After this application experience I am doing one thing... and one thing only this summer. CLINICAL EXPERIENCE!!!! Gotta get that application strrrrong!
So... my new CNA job aughta be fun. Cleaning poop! into the trenches I go.
Some research on the side, oh.. and filling out countless secondary apps.

Ha then after it all PHX will accept me the day before school starts. Karma ya know...
 
Do any of you know how many OOS students were accepted this year? Do you know what their stats need to be? I heard after this year, UA will start accepting OOS which is exciting!
 
dancingdoctor13 said:
Do any of you know how many OOS students were accepted this year? Do you know what their stats need to be? I heard after this year, UA will start accepting OOS which is exciting!
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25%... so 12 for PHX now sure what the class size is for tucson... but 25% of that.
 
ehandber said:
Second look down in Tucson was fun. I agree with LRK that the counselor dude was hilarious.

I reallllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllly hope I get in.

And, it was a blast to meet all of you in person! You're all even more cool than I had expected 😎.
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Dude, I'm not going to lie, I'm even more cool than I expect most of the time. Its like I wake up in the morning, look in the mirror, and its just like damn I'm cool...

Like I said on Friday, you're in for sure. No doubt about it. We are already at what 22? Another 10 spots by the 15th of May and then another 10-15 right around the 15th, and you'll be in. Who knows, you might even be get in before my wife and I find housing (I hope not though, because searching for houses sucks!).

dancingdoctor13 said:
Do any of you know how many OOS students were accepted this year? Do you know what their stats need to be? I heard after this year, UA will start accepting OOS which is exciting!
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😕 You first ask how many OOS were accepted this year, then state that UA will start accepting OOS after this year. They started this year. As was already stated, about 25% of the class can be OOS, but it might be less than that. I personally find the prospect of OOS students joining us to be very exciting (and diversifying), so I hope we are up near the 25% limit.
 
I withdrew my acceptance today (Tucson - OOS)...good luck to everyone!:luck:
 
Thanks for letting us know! That's one closer to each of our spots, we appreciate it!
 
Just wanted to let you all know that I withdrew my Phoenix acceptance this morning. After visiting both schools I just felt that Tucson was a better fit. Best of luck to those still on the waiting list.

Also, when I visited Phoenix, one of the students was saying that about 10 out of state people had accepted their spots and I'm assuming attending...so if that's true then there are prbly only 2 spots left for OOS in Phoenix if they are sticking to the 25%.
 
Thanks for letting us know WDN. Hopefully it goes to one of us SDN people! And I'm sure the OOS'ers appreciate knowing where it seems the list is at.
 
I'll continue to update this while we're on this page:

Tucson:

Waitlist Position-
14) SmokeyGray - IS; ACCEPTED 03/22/10. 1 other acceptance, 2 other waitlists, waiting on 3 more
16) Ilovewater - IS; ACCEPTED 03/30/10. 3 other acceptances, waiting on 5
17) tmm808 - IS; ACCEPTED 04/13/10. 3 other acceptances
20) SurfdudeJD - IS; ACCEPTED 04/21/10 waiting on 3 others
34) Indiana06 - OOS; Accepted @ Phx
39) Nasappah - OOS; 2 other acceptances, couple waitlists
42) ACE28 - IS
46) ehandber - IS; 0 other acceptances/applications.
49) MedHopeful777 - IS, 0 other waitlists, 0 other acceptances, small pooled at Rosalind Franklin
61) MadeInReydn - IS; 1 other acceptance (Set on UA, not sure which campus)
62) paiger - IS; 0 other acceptances (2 other waitlists)
81) Happyglucky - IS; 2 other acceptances, waiting on 1
85) sweetlife - IS ; 0 other acceptances
89) aztri - IS; 0 other acceptances
93) countryboydoc - IS; Accepted @ Phx, 2 other acceptances, 3 waitlists, waiting on 3 more
121) sunny1 - IS
123) BearDownAZ - IS; 0 other acceptances (1 waitlist, 1 in TBD)

Phoenix:

Waitlist date-
IS:
03/04
happyglucky - IS--ACCEPTED 03/24/10 - Withdrew 4/21/10
Who Dat Nation - IS ACCEPTED 04/06/10 - Withdrew 4/26/10; Going to Tucson
2 LEGIT 2 QUIT - IS
7franks - IS
bminz - IS (Set on Phoenix)
chagramama- IS
Ehandber - IS (WL'd #46 @ Tucson)
MadeInReydn - IS (WL'd #61 @ Tucson)
Opt79- IS
shep's friend (33 MCAT) - IS?

03/12
aztri- IS (WL'd #89 @Tucson)
paiger- IS (WL'd #62 @ Tucson)

OOS:
03/05
nyyfan65 - OOS; ACCEPTED 04/16/10
DancinSarah - OOS
JMJ777 - OOS; 1 other waitlist, 1 interview to go
Meducated - OOS
MIR's Friend - OOS; 1 acceptance, a few other WL's, Phx not his top choice
Nasappah - OOS
Phosphorus Ylide - OOS; 1 other acceptance (Will decline and accept Phoenix, if taken off the WL)
ShameFame - OOS

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TUCSON

Entering Fall 2007:

Around 4/28: 10
Around 5/15: 38
By matriculation day: 53-54

Entering Fall 2008:

3/24 (12 days): 3
3/25 (13 days): 5
4/04 (3 ½ weeks): 12
4/07 (4 weeks): 13
4/10 Tucson and PHX 2nd Look
4/22 (6 weeks): 18
4/28 (6 ½ weeks): 20
5/01 (7 weeks): 25
5/08 (8 weeks): 32
5/12 (8 ½ weeks): 33
5/15 (9 weeks): 39
5/19 (9 ½ weeks): 42
5/23 (10 ½ weeks): 48
5/27 (11 weeks): 49
6/03 (12 weeks): 52
6/05 (12 weeks): 57
6/11 (13 weeks): 59
7/28 (19 ½ weeks): 63
Matriculation day: 65

Entering Fall 2009:

3/18 (7 days): 6
3/25 (2 weeks): 10
3/30 (2 ½ weeks): 11
4/01 (3 weeks): 13
4/08 (4 weeks): 15
4/09-11: Tucson and PHX 2nd Look
4/15 (5 weeks): 17
4/27 (6 ½ weeks): 19
5/04 (7 ½ weeks): 23
5/11 (8 ½ weeks): 25
5/15 (9 weeks): 32
5/18 (9 ½ weeks): 37
5/21 (10 weeks): 40
5/29 (11 weeks): 44
6/05 (12 ½ weeks): 47
7/08 (17 weeks): 49
7/28 (19 ½ weeks): 51
Matriculation day: 55

Entering Fall 2010:

3/15 (3 days): 13
3/22 (10 days): 14
3/30 (2 ½ weeks): 16
4/08-10: PHX 2nd Look
4/13 (4 weeks): 17
4/21 (5 ½ weeks): 20
4/23: Tucson 2nd Look
4/23 (6 weeks): 22
 
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For those who went to Tucson's 2nd Look, how many acceptees were there?

I thought we'd get a good discussion going on each campus. It would be really great to explore the opportunities at each for those of us who might hopefully end up with that dilemma [[[cough]]]Erik[[[cough]]] - What does everyone like best about each campus? Extra insight from 2nd Lookers and current MS's is greatly appreciated. 😎

Also, I'll have estimated second trendlines by nonlocality up later today. He's thinking we'll end up somewhere between 47-60, though I think he's figures it'll be on the mid to higher end of that (meaning definitely up to 50, probably more). All of this calculation is for the benefit of those on the borderline trying to decide what to do (prepare to reapply, settle for a different school, etc). I admit my frantics in the first few weeks may have been more confusing than helpful - I promise to be objective and level-headed with nonlocality's baton.

GO SUNS!
 
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Who Dat Nation said:
Just wanted to let you all know that I withdrew my Phoenix acceptance this morning. After visiting both schools I just felt that Tucson was a better fit. Best of luck to those still on the waiting list.

Also, when I visited Phoenix, one of the students was saying that about 10 out of state people had accepted their spots and I'm assuming attending...so if that's true then there are prbly only 2 spots left for OOS in Phoenix if they are sticking to the 25%.
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Thanks for the news, WhoDat. Sorry to hear that for the OOSers on the WL - hopefully some accepted OOSers will have a change of heart when they get pulled by their state school.
 
MadeInReydn said:
For those who went to Tucson's 2nd Look, how many acceptees were there?

I thought we'd get a good discussion going on each campus. It would be really great to explore the opportunities at each for those of us who might hopefully end up with that dilemma [[[cough]]]Erik[[[cough]]] - What does everyone like best about each campus? Extra insight from 2nd Lookers and current MS's is greatly appreciated. 😎

Also, I'll have estimated second trendlines by nonlocality up later today. He's thinking we'll end up somewhere between 47-60, though I think he's figures it'll be on the mid to higher end of that (meaning definitely up to 50, probably more). All of this calculation is for the benefit of those on the borderline trying to decide what to do(prepare to reapply, settle for a different school, etc).

GO SUNS!
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Do you know at all how he made those predictions? I'm not liking that bottom number ha ha!!!
 
I didn't go to the Phoenix second look, but I did go down to Tucson's. Here's a more in-depth view of what I thought of Tucson's second look, and my current thought process.

We started second look by being given a little packet and a USB drive, and then sitting in the room across from the library that functions as a little study-cafe. We sat in there and got to know each other over some pretty standard catered food, for about 45-60 minutes. Then we moved up to a lecture hall, and sat through some speakers for about 3 hours, with a little acapella show in the middle. After that was dinner (meh) and drinks out at one of the local bars with quite a few of the MSI's MSII's in attendance with us.

As far as the presentations from the faculty and how much it "sold" everyone on the campus, I'd say they did a very lackluster job. The Dean read a few UoA factoids off a piece of paper and suggested that he intends to increase the faculty size, and highlighted that he hasn't really "lost" anything due to the economic situation. A counselor spoke to us and said we'd have support for anything we needed emotionally, and actually he was hilarious- though that doesn't really speak to the academics of the place. The next speaker told us about the curriculum but honestly didn't say much more than what we could already glean just by looking at the schedule they have posted online. I did like the idea that all of the notes are given to us and all of the lectures are podcast though- just because it makes it easier to study when I do finally get down to doing that. The last speaker talked a bit about the bridge program (which I would have *loved* to do, but won't be able to because of the waitlist timing) and generally how to succeed in medical school. I thought this was sort of a bad choice for a second look and probably belonged in the actual orientation week instead. Why tell me how hard it is going to be and how much I will have to study without highlighting how INTERESTING/FUN/UNIQUE the curriculum is going to be? Seemed like a strange chioce.

The highlight of second look was, without question, the students. The incoming class, as well as the I's and II's that were there to talk to us. Everyone was incredibly friendly, very welcoming, seemingly very honest, and quite obviously happy. Among my favorite note that any of the students gave me was this

"Ya, I don't think I would have chosen this school over a top-10 or something, ya know for the sake of the name. But, this school has been a blast. I love my class, and I feel like I am learning what I wanted to learn. There's no difference between the name of a school ranked 50 and one ranked 60."

That seemed honest, and resonated with how I feel. I (and I believe, we) think that it is all about what you put into it, and that is something I've heard over and over. And apparently the most recent match was pretty good!


So- here's how I feel about Tucson and Phoenix now that I have had a chance to give Tucson a chance.

PROS-
*Tucson*
-More students is nice when they are cool people, and they all seemed very cool.
-The library had some students studying in it which made me feel like it wasn't a ghost town. I don't want medschool to feel like night-classes, or a trade school where you get lessons and go home and practice on your own.
-I liked the actual campus, and being nearby the undergrad campus was nice for the same reason as above.
-Attachment to the hospital speaks for itself, and was underlined when the Dean left second look quickly so he could go "see a patient."
-Curriculum seems to be set in a standard way, with a lot of alternate ways to go about doing it (podcast, lectures, standardized notes, and of course... traditional handwritten/typed notes)
-CBI sounds pretty fun, as does team learning. I enjoy studying with a team so I think these might be a lot of help for me.
-A change of scenery might be nice...
-Pass/Fail, but with a caveat (which I like) in that your overall class rank will be kept secretly by the Dean for the purpose of being able to record your relative progress in your Dean's letter.
-From what I heard, Tucson has a lot of great restaurants. The two or three I tried (not fancy ones) seemed over-priced and pretty standard fare for non-chain restaurants.

*Phoenix*
-Big city = many opportunities to do many things (including, in my case, stay near my family and friends)
-Smaller classes can be great for developing close relationships with professors and students. Those relationships could prove to be very beneficial when you start looking for internships, etc.
-New buildings. Sounds silly, but as I've said before, for the same reason I like coming home to a clean apartment I like arriving at a shiny new campus.
-1v1 mentoring in doctoring. Though this might prove to be a bit scary at first, and then eventually (hopefully) a bit tedious, that is a very definitive marker of progress as a fledgling doctor.
-Nice, clean, NEAR BY apartment complex. We're talking <1min walk and you're on campus. THAT is nice. I suppose you don't need a library on campus if your apartment (and the apartments of many of your classmates) are just as close as an on-campus library would be.
-Overall curriculum is very nice, and similar to Tucson, and the associated hospitals are quite recognizable.


CONS-
*TUCSON*
-The drive from Tucson to Phoenix is not one I want to make often just due to how boring it is, but I will need to do it quite frequently. (Irrelevant, I suppose, if you have no ties in Phoenix.)
-The housing situation is not ideal. Near campus = convenient, and dirty, and/or expensive. The exception seems to be if you have friends that you can roommate with in a house, but I am generally not convinced this is a great way to live for medical school. This is actually a big decider for me...
-The town is smaller, and while this offers a lot of chances for "outdoor activities" ... if you are not outdoorsy this is not that great of a perk. It means fewer bars, fewer shopping districts, fewer music venues (I assume, though no numbers to back me up), and fewer everything else.
-The curriculum didn't impress me. Perhaps they just didn't describe it in an impressive way, but they didn't say anything that seemed innovative/interesting to me. It just sounds like ... curriculum.
-The overall feeling of the campus was sort of... well, undergraddy. More mature, but not a big change. This might make for a good transition, but also would make me feel like there wasn't a "life change" in going here. That could prove to be a disappointment.

*PHOENIX*
-Small class size can mean that a few harsh personalities can really hinder your experience. And your chances of meeting incredible people goes down. NOT MEANT AS A SLAM NO PHOENIX PEOPLE, just sample size, sample size.... 😀
-Any hospital experience will have to be driven to. Or, at the very least, bicycled to.
-Still being in Phoenix will keep me close to the people I know, but that (like the undergraddy feeling of Tucson) might keep me from feeling like anything changed, and might lead to disappointment. Like I said, a change of scenery could be nice...
-Newer campus, plus renovation plans means there is going to be a lot of changes being made (something about ASU... I don't remember...). Changes can be great, but changING can be very very difficult. Not sure if I want to make medschool harder than it already is.
-I don't know anything about the match here, so it is hard to tell if this is a great place to go or if it is only great if you want to be IM/FP.
-Unless you live at the apartment complex that is within walking distance you should expect to hit Phoenix traffic which is NOT cool.


I will add more of I think of any more.

Overall, as of right now

I am having a really tough time. I am not accepted to either campus which makes it silly, but if I were accepted to both I think I would have a very hard time. I met a lot of the incoming class down in Tucson and there were many people I had a great time with. I think that if it wasn't for them I would be leaning toward Phoenix still, but because I have met a lot of great people down in Tucson AND because Tucson gave me hope by giving me a waitlist-rank to stare at I think I am planning on Tucson.

Of course, if I was accepted to Phoenix this would have a huge impact on my thinking.

I'm afraid that my decision might very well end up coming down to whoever accepts me first. I can make all these calculations in my head but when I finally get that letter of acceptance, it'll be like when a girl you never noticed smiles at you in the hall. 😍
 
Whoa Erik! I made the coughing remark to point to you as one of the beneficiaries of such a conversation - your input is AWESOME 😀 and much appreciated! I'll contribute my perspective tonight.

MedHopeful777 said:
Do you know at all how he made those predictions? I'm not liking that bottom number ha ha!!!
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nonlocality starts 2 spots up from the end of the first trendline. Then he uses the best 2nd trendline (2008) and the worst 2nd trendline (2007) and sees where they point to. Obviously, the 2007 trendline is probably least accurate - it's what gives the 47 number. Plus, when nonlocality did the estimate, he wasn't aware that we had moved from 20 to 22. So MedHopeful, you should still be VERY hopeful 😀 Even he's said that the top 50 should get pulled.

He mentioned what we were thinking: this movement in the last week and a half of April may be just early May movement from declining OOSers. If so, we'll see longer, but less rapid movement for the 2nd trendline (now till mid-June). I'll use the 2nd trendline from 2009 to see what it gives - starting last week and starting May 1st, just to see what each gives. 🙂
 
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Thanks Madein! That makes me feel a lot better, looking forward to seeing that trend line after this week!
 
ehandber said:
I'd say they did a very lackluster job.
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I agree with this. The presentations by the faculty were actually pretty boring (other than that one funny guy). Infact, I looked over at my dad and saw him nodding off a couple of times. I really don't understand why they chose do present the information this way when there are many people still undecided about the school.

The current students were the ones who were effectively selling the school. I went on a tour with several current students, and they were great!

Meeting more current students, matriculating students, and SDNers at the restaurant/bar was definitely the best part. It am relieved knowing that I will be in school with really fun and interesting people! I got the feeling that medical school can actually be fun and will be a great life experience. Although, I must say, I was dissapointed that I didn't get to meet lrkoehle (Erik pointed you out to me, so I looked for you like 5 minutes later and you were gone!)

After Friday's events, one thing was clear. We must have a four peaks outing! Jturkle has not tried the Italian beef beer bread sandwich...tragic if you ask me!
 
Who Dat Nation said:
Just wanted to let you all know that I withdrew my Phoenix acceptance this morning. After visiting both schools I just felt that Tucson was a better fit. Best of luck to those still on the waiting list.
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That's great who dat nation, thanks for the information. Erik, thanks for all your input with your second look down at Tucson. Obviously the pros and cons are very person-specific, but I feel that everyone will have a better "fit" at one of the two campuses. For me, some of your cons at Phoenix are actually pros, as I really enjoy a smaller class size and the idea of helping the program continue to grow. I prefer the Phoenix campus and I'll hopefully get the chance to be part of it soon. For everyone's sake, let's keep that wait list moving. Some of you are getting close.
 
SmokeyGray said:
I agree with this. The presentations by the faculty were actually pretty boring (other than that one funny guy). Infact, I looked over at my dad and saw him nodding off a couple of times. I really don't understand why they chose do present the information this way when there are many people still undecided about the school.

The current students were the ones who were effectively selling the school. I went on a tour with several current students, and they were great!

Meeting more current students, matriculating students, and SDNers at the restaurant/bar was definitely the best part. It am relieved knowing that I will be in school with really fun and interesting people! I got the feeling that medical school can actually be fun and will be a great life experience. Although, I must say, I was dissapointed that I didn't get to meet lrkoehle (Erik pointed you out to me, so I looked for you like 5 minutes later and you were gone!)

After Friday's events, one thing was clear. We must have a four peaks outing! Jturkle has not tried the Italian beef beer bread sandwich...tragic if you ask me!
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i'm going to agree that the presentation was boring/lackluster/etc......i came down to have them sell me the school and i can't say they did. the a capella group was amazing and sold me the school better than the administrator/faculty presentation....as did a retour and meeting the prospective MS1s as well as current MS1s/2s at Gentle Ben's.

and yes, it is clear to me as well that the SDNers should all go out to Four Peaks so we can get some drinks, talk about life, and so i can try this Italian beef beer bread sandwich.........and perhaps so Erik can start talking about his passion for cheese again. lol
 
jturkel said:
i'm going to agree that the presentation was boring/lackluster/etc......i came down to have them sell me the school and i can't say they did. the a capella group was amazing and sold me the school better than the administrator/faculty presentation....as did a retour and meeting the prospective MS1s as well as current MS1s/2s at Gentle Ben's.

and yes, it is clear to me as well that the SDNers should all go out to Four Peaks so we can get some drinks, talk about life, and so i can try this Italian beef beer bread sandwich.........and perhaps so Erik can start talking about his passion for cheese again. lol
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I'm in. Just give me a call/text. We'll get it figured out. I live real, real close to 4-peaks so I will just walk over there whenever you guys all head there.
 
my little analysis on your analysis with my obvious bias towards tucson lol

ehandber said:
So- here's how I feel about Tucson and Phoenix now that I have had a chance to give Tucson a chance.

PROS-
*Tucson*
-More students is nice when they are cool people, and they all seemed very cool. so you do flip flop? haha....i thought you liked having a smaller class? i will agree that they are cool people and i personally prefer a larger class size
-The library had some students studying in it which made me feel like it wasn't a ghost town. I don't want medschool to feel like night-classes, or a trade school where you get lessons and go home and practice on your own.
-I liked the actual campus, and being nearby the undergrad campus was nice for the same reason as above. that and lots of sporting events to attend! (i know smokeygrey and her bf like this one)
-Attachment to the hospital speaks for itself, and was underlined when the Dean left second look quickly so he could go "see a patient." this is a huge one for me
-Curriculum seems to be set in a standard way, with a lot of alternate ways to go about doing it (podcast, lectures, standardized notes, and of course... traditional handwritten/typed notes)
-CBI sounds pretty fun, as does team learning. I enjoy studying with a team so I think these might be a lot of help for me. CBI sounds awesome. i sat in on one in phx and it was amazing. i'd imagine it's the same down in tucson. looks like a very similar setup
-A change of scenery might be nice...
-Pass/Fail, but with a caveat (which I like) in that your overall class rank will be kept secretly by the Dean for the purpose of being able to record your relative progress in your Dean's letter. P/F ftw! the ranking thing....eh i think some of you guys may have convinced me on as being ok
-From what I heard, Tucson has a lot of great restaurants. The two or three I tried (not fancy ones) seemed over-priced and pretty standard fare for non-chain restaurants. i think you stayed right on campus when you ate. you have to drive about 5 minutes or so off campus to get the hole-in-the-wall places that are way legit though there are. if it means anything to anyone besides me, Frog'n'Firkin carries Four Peaks Heff....which is a selling point for me lol


i'll add one more that i personally really like - standardized patients.....i like how we are able to really learn to perfect our patient interaction/communucation/exam/history/etc skills by working with actors and getting subsequently evaluated based on our performance. big plus for me

CONS-
*TUCSON*
-The drive from Tucson to Phoenix is not one I want to make often just due to how boring it is, but I will need to do it quite frequently. (Irrelevant, I suppose, if you have no ties in Phoenix.) i'll agree. drive majorly sucks
-The housing situation is not ideal. Near campus = convenient, and dirty, and/or expensive. The exception seems to be if you have friends that you can roommate with in a house, but I am generally not convinced this is a great way to live for medical school. This is actually a big decider for me...this is generally true....however, i recently stayed with my friend who lives a mile east of campus and his place is super nice and i don't think his rent is an arm and a leg....but he does have a roommate
-The town is smaller, and while this offers a lot of chances for "outdoor activities" ... if you are not outdoorsy this is not that great of a perk. It means fewer bars, fewer shopping districts, fewer music venues (I assume, though no numbers to back me up), and fewer everything else. there are three large malls in Tucson, plenty of bars (you didn't go to fourth ave) and still SOME music venues.....though the number of bars, venues, and malls likely doesn't compete with Tempe/Phoenix. I would say it is plenty to get by on
-The curriculum didn't impress me. Perhaps they just didn't describe it in an impressive way, but they didn't say anything that seemed innovative/interesting to me. It just sounds like ... curriculum. yah...their explanations bored me so much
-The overall feeling of the campus was sort of... well, undergraddy. More mature, but not a big change. This might make for a good transition, but also would make me feel like there wasn't a "life change" in going here. That could prove to be a disappointment.
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ehandber said:
I'm in. Just give me a call/text. We'll get it figured out. I live real, real close to 4-peaks so I will just walk over there whenever you guys all head there.
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i say we should set up a date/time where we can all meet up and talk about UA COM, get some drinks, and i can have this beer bread italian beef sandwich lol....

I prefer Friday nights......how does everyone feel about that? Would this upcoming Friday night (April 30th) work for everyone? Say, 9 pm? Accepted, Waitlisted, Rejected....whoever wants to come....wuddya all say?
 
jturkel said:
i say we should set up a date/time where we can all meet up and talk about UA COM, get some drinks, and i can have this beer bread italian beef sandwich lol....

I prefer Friday nights......how does everyone feel about that? Would this upcoming Friday night (April 30th) work for everyone? Say, 9 pm? Accepted, Waitlisted, Rejected....whoever wants to come....wuddya all say?
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I'm in! I missed where this is being held though, Phoenix or Tucson?
 
Phoenix, Tempe specifically. The one on 8th street. Crossroads are 8th/McClintock.
 
I've got to agree that Tucson needs to step up on recruiting students and selling their school. I went down there for an individual "second look" because I wasn't able to make it to the real one, and all they had me do was sit in lecture for 3 hours.... I didn't expect anything formal, but I thought they would have more scheduled. That was really frustrating because I drove all the way down there just to listen to a lecture and left feeling like I wasted my day.
 
Both happyglucky and who dat have withdrawn from Phoenix, but no love for the SDN crowd.
 
2 LEGIT 2 QUIT said:
Both happyglucky and who dat have withdrawn from Phoenix, but no love for the SDN crowd.
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I'll try some of my special karma powers from the "Whaa? 19 already" day: I'm thinking the first post tomorrow from some IS, SDN soul on the PHX WL will include, "Accepted at Phoenix!" - and, of course, really mean it. 😀

It's only the 2nd time I've used my special karma powers, and my karma muscles are on training wheels, so I'm not sure how this will turn out 🙄
 
MadeInReydn said:
I'll try some of my special karma powers from the "Whaa? 19 already" day: I'm thinking the first post tomorrow from some IS, SDN soul on the PHX WL will include, "Accepted at Phoenix!" - and, of course, really mean it. 😀

It's only the 2nd time I've used my special karma powers, and my karma muscles are on training wheels, so I'm not sure how this will turn out 🙄
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I hope so...I'm going back to doing the futterwacken. With our powers combined maybe it'll be.
 
Just called Tucson for an update and we are at #23 (specialK32's spot) 🙂
 
Hi everyone,
I'm wondering if some of the OOS folks that plan on coming to Arizona next year chose U of A for curriculum/patient population reasons over their state school? I hesitate to admit, I am from California. I have been reluctant to post here that although I am lucky enough to have some in state choices, Arizona is looking like a front-runner at the moment (mind you, I am #39 in Tucson, so far from accepted) I have in-laws here, and as my wife is making a commitment to be somewhere with me for 4 years (or more) I weigh heavily her interests and job-opportunities. I found the flexibility of the CUP program to be really attractive, as well as the clinical opportunities with refugees. Also, I got a good vibe from the students and faculty that I didn't get anywhere else I interviewed. Do any of you remember someone mentioning a statistic about Arizona med students being the happiest? Maybe I made that up🙂 Bottom line for me is that I really liked my interview experiences in Arizona (especially Tucson).

I realize this is a thread for those waiting to get in, and therefore hoping others will decline their acceptances, so an unbiased answer might be hard to come by. I must also say, I am a bit curious how the OOS students will be accepted (ie: kick me signs and trash canning🙂) I'm just curious about how some might feel about Arizona in the context of other med schools, especially if you are considering options outside of Arizona.
 
nasappah said:
Hi everyone,
I'm wondering if some of the OOS folks that plan on coming to Arizona next year chose U of A for curriculum/patient population reasons over their state school? I hesitate to admit, I am from California. I have been reluctant to post here that although I am lucky enough to have some in state choices, Arizona is looking like a front-runner at the moment (mind you, I am #39 in Tucson, so far from accepted) I have in-laws here, and as my wife is making a commitment to be somewhere with me for 4 years (or more) I weigh heavily her interests and job-opportunities. I found the flexibility of the CUP program to be really attractive, as well as the clinical opportunities with refugees. Also, I got a good vibe from the students and faculty that I didn't get anywhere else I interviewed. Do any of you remember someone mentioning a statistic about Arizona med students being the happiest? Maybe I made that up🙂 Bottom line for me is that I really liked my interview experiences in Arizona (especially Tucson).

I realize this is a thread for those waiting to get in, and therefore hoping others will decline their acceptances, so an unbiased answer might be hard to come by. I must also say, I am a bit curious how the OOS students will be accepted (ie: kick me signs and trash canning🙂) I'm just curious about how some might feel about Arizona in the context of other med schools, especially if you are considering options outside of Arizona.
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I'm not out of state, so I can't answer most of those questions, but I can say that you would definitely be warmly welcomed by all in state students (ok maybe just one kick me sign on the first day... just kidding!)
 
nasappah said:
Hi everyone,
I'm wondering if some of the OOS folks that plan on coming to Arizona next year chose U of A for curriculum/patient population reasons over their state school? I hesitate to admit, I am from California. I have been reluctant to post here that although I am lucky enough to have some in state choices, Arizona is looking like a front-runner at the moment (mind you, I am #39 in Tucson, so far from accepted) I have in-laws here, and as my wife is making a commitment to be somewhere with me for 4 years (or more) I weigh heavily her interests and job-opportunities. I found the flexibility of the CUP program to be really attractive, as well as the clinical opportunities with refugees. Also, I got a good vibe from the students and faculty that I didn't get anywhere else I interviewed. Do any of you remember someone mentioning a statistic about Arizona med students being the happiest? Maybe I made that up🙂 Bottom line for me is that I really liked my interview experiences in Arizona (especially Tucson).

I realize this is a thread for those waiting to get in, and therefore hoping others will decline their acceptances, so an unbiased answer might be hard to come by. I must also say, I am a bit curious how the OOS students will be accepted (ie: kick me signs and trash canning🙂) I'm just curious about how some might feel about Arizona in the context of other med schools, especially if you are considering options outside of Arizona.
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I'm not OOS, but i can tell you that I have quite a few very close friends who are MS1s and they are extremely happy at U of A in Tucson. I don't recall reading about it, but from what i have heard and seen being at second look, i could believe it.

I have nothing wrong with OOS people. I met a couple at the second look and made friends with them...i think having OOS adds to the diversity of backgrounds/interests of the class and in the long run, i think it will make U of A an even more respectable program than it is now (and in case you don't believe me, according to my UCLA interviewer who went to Harvard Med School for her medical training, U of A has a really good medical program).

I'm kind of in the reverse boat of you.....i'm considering my IS option as this one and my OOS option which is a private school on the east school....but i'm leaning towards Arizona b/c i am confident i will be happier there....and IMO, if you are happy, you can be successful.
 
Tucson:

Waitlist Position-
14) SmokeyGray - IS; ACCEPTED 03/22/10. 1 other acceptance, 2 other waitlists, waiting on 3 more
16) Ilovewater - IS; ACCEPTED 03/30/10. 3 other acceptances, waiting on 5
17) tmm808 - IS; ACCEPTED 04/13/10. 3 other acceptances
20) SurfdudeJD - IS; ACCEPTED 04/21/10 waiting on 3 others
34) Indiana06 - OOS; Accepted @ Phx
39) Nasappah - OOS; 2 other acceptances, couple waitlists
42) ACE28 - IS
46) ehandber - IS; 0 other acceptances/applications.
49) MedHopeful777 - IS, 0 other waitlists, 0 other acceptances, small pooled at Rosalind Franklin
61) MadeInReydn - IS; 1 other acceptance (Set on UA, not sure which campus)
62) paiger - IS; 0 other acceptances (2 other waitlists)
81) Happyglucky - IS; 2 other acceptances, waiting on 1
85) sweetlife - IS ; 0 other acceptances
89) aztri - IS; 0 other acceptances
93) countryboydoc - IS; Accepted @ Phx, 2 other acceptances, 3 waitlists, waiting on 3 more
121) sunny1 - IS
123) BearDownAZ - IS; 0 other acceptances (1 waitlist, 1 in TBD)

Phoenix:

Waitlist date-
IS:
03/04
happyglucky - IS--ACCEPTED 03/24/10
Who Dat Nation - IS ACCEPTED 04/06/10
2 LEGIT 2 QUIT - IS
7franks - IS
bminz - IS (Set on Phoenix)
chagramama- IS
Ehandber - IS (WL'd #46 @ Tucson)
MadeInReydn - IS (WL'd #61 @ Tucson)
Opt79- IS
shep's friend (33 MCAT) - IS?

03/12
aztri- IS (WL'd #89 @Tucson)
paiger- IS (WL'd #62 @ Tucson)

OOS:
03/05
nyyfan65 - OOS; ACCEPTED 04/16/10
DancinSarah - OOS
JMJ777 - OOS; 1 other waitlist, 1 interview to go
Meducated - OOS
MIR's Friend - OOS; 1 acceptance, a few other WL's, Phx not his top choice
Nasappah - OOS
Phosphorus Ylide - OOS; 1 other acceptance (Will decline and accept Phoenix, if taken off the WL)
ShameFame - OOS

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TUCSON

Entering Fall 2007:

Around 4/28: 10
Around 5/15: 38
By matriculation day: 53-54

Entering Fall 2008:

3/24 (12 days): 3
3/25 (13 days): 5
4/04 (3 ½ weeks): 12
4/07 (4 weeks): 13
4/10 Tucson and PHX 2nd Look
4/22 (6 weeks): 18
4/28 (6 ½ weeks): 20
5/01 (7 weeks): 25
5/08 (8 weeks): 32
5/12 (8 ½ weeks): 33
5/15 (9 weeks): 39
5/19 (9 ½ weeks): 42
5/23 (10 ½ weeks): 48
5/27 (11 weeks): 49
6/03 (12 weeks): 52
6/05 (12 weeks): 57
6/11 (13 weeks): 59
7/28 (19 ½ weeks): 63
Matriculation day: 65

Entering Fall 2009:

3/18 (7 days): 6
3/25 (2 weeks): 10
3/30 (2 ½ weeks): 11
4/01 (3 weeks): 13
4/08 (4 weeks): 15
4/09-11: Tucson and PHX 2nd Look
4/15 (5 weeks): 17
4/27 (6 ½ weeks): 19
5/04 (7 ½ weeks): 23
5/11 (8 ½ weeks): 25
5/15 (9 weeks): 32
5/18 (9 ½ weeks): 37
5/21 (10 weeks): 40
5/29 (11 weeks): 44
6/05 (12 ½ weeks): 47
7/08 (17 weeks): 49
7/28 (19 ½ weeks): 51
Matriculation day: 55

Entering Fall 2010:

3/15 (3 days): 13
3/22 (10 days): 14
3/30 (2 ½ weeks): 16
4/08-10: PHX 2nd Look
4/13 (4 weeks): 17
4/21 (5 ½ weeks): 20
4/23: Tucson 2nd Look
4/23 (6 weeks): 22
4/25 (6 weeks): 23
 
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