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I think I'll just add my opinion about Shep's pros/cons, since he covers a lot of the same things I'd cover anyways (plus this way I can try to start a fight with Shep).
I think I agree with everything here as reasons I chose Tucson. I also liked the second year ortho elective they offer in Tucson, that Phx doesn't have (this goes along with the established campus theme). Also, I would have to say the cost of living in Tucson is lower than in Phoenix, especially compared to downtown Phoenix.
First, my mom says I'm cool, and she wouldn't lie to me...
The cool thing about Tucson is that you also get access to all of medical facilities that PHX is associated with if you want. Heck, you could even do all of your 3rd and 4th year rotations if you really wanted to, so you can easily get that diversity. However, during your preclinical years, the connected hospital in Tucson will make your life significantly easier when it comes to shadowing and getting more exposure to medicine since it is literally a couple minute walk to class. Not to sound like a gunner, but when it comes time for residency applications if you have been shadowing in a particular department for a couple of years plus doing a 3rd year elective and a Sub-I there, you can basically know that your LOR from the department chairperson will rock (something to keep in mind).
I do agree with the slight negative fact of Tucson being larger, but it is still smaller than most other medical schools with only 115 students. This to me can actually be nice if you don't want every one of your classmates to know all of your business, which with only 48 people in Phoenix seems pretty likely. This is not to say that I want to be completely anonymous in med school, but there certainly times where I just want to do my own thing without everyone wondering what's up with me (I'm not saying this isn't possible in Phoenix).
The geography/environment of Tucson is probably the point I disagree with the most. I know initially Tucson seems kind of crappy, especially if you only go to the University and don't explore the entire city. Honestly though, if you even take a little bit of time to admire the Catalina mountains, you absolutely have to love the geography in Tucson WAY more than in Phoenix. Camelback mountain doesn't have **** on the Catalinas. Similar to Phoenix, there are a number of different mountain ranges around Tucson, but in Tucson, you can see them no matter where you are nice. Furthermore, the activities you can do in the mountains near Tucson are much better. My favorite is that in the winter you can drive like 45 minutes and go skiing/snowboarding and come home that night and go out in shorts and a T-shirt for dinner.
Aside from the geography, Tucson is a lot like Phoenix with better/worse areas to be in, and you just have to learn where to go. I guess if you're looking for a snoody place like Old Town Scottsdale, you won't find that in Tucson, but I don't have any interest in wasting my money in the Snobsdale nightclubs or restaurants anyways.
I agree about the receptiveness of the administration in Phoenix, which is something I heard repeatedly from the students. I think its a double-edged sword though (as Shep points out), in that they are probably receptive because they have some kinks to work out as a brand new school. I'd hope that by next year's incoming class (the fourth one?) that most of the big issues would be worked out, but its hard to know. I have also heard about how great the anatomy program is, but isn't the approach to teaching it similar in Tucsons since they're both UA?
The capstone week is definitely the coolest thing that Phoenix offers over Tucson. More medical schools should adopt this concept.
Again, I already talked about Tucson vs Phoenix, so its probably clear that Shep and I differ on this. I will add though that downtown/central Phoenix is one of my least favorite part of the Phoenix metro area (west Mesa is down there on my list too), so I'd say most of Tucson is better or equal to downtown Phoenix (obviously this is just opinion, like everything here).
I agree with Shep here, and I have already touched on the other cons of Phoenix that I saw. I think travel time should certainly be emphasized though. If you are lucky enough to live in the downtown area (I would guess that is probably pretty pricey to rent), then this may not be an issue. However, I suspect many people won't, and they get to fight downtown rushhour traffic in the morning in addition to any traffic to and from the various hospitals. Also, even if you do live in downtown some of clinical opportunities are far, far way from downtown, like Mayo. I know you don't have to go to those places, but then doesn't that just negate one of the pros of going to Phoenix?
Overall, both Phoenix and Tucson are great schools, and anyone accepted to either campus should be thrilled. Clearly, I have my bias towards the Tucson campus, which is why I chose to go there.
👍 I agree. There are nice places near both campuses, but there is some real ghetto areas in downtown Phoenix near campus.
Keep in mind these are pros and cons for me, personally. Yours may be different. This is just a quick off the top of my head:
Tucson Pros: Hospital attached to medical school (convenience), established program (if not curriculum), strong research opportunities that come with having a medical school, comfortable with dealing with the needs of the medical student, resources that come with being "the mothership"
I think I agree with everything here as reasons I chose Tucson. I also liked the second year ortho elective they offer in Tucson, that Phx doesn't have (this goes along with the established campus theme). Also, I would have to say the cost of living in Tucson is lower than in Phoenix, especially compared to downtown Phoenix.
Tucson Cons: Hospital attached to medical school (don't get the diversity of institutions like PCH, Mayo, Barrow, etc.), established program (probably not as receptive to individual desires, goals of medical students), large class size (which I think translates into slightly less individualized attention than Phoenix), I personally hate the geography/environ of Tucson and the BIGGEST ONE: Lrkhoele's going there 😉
First, my mom says I'm cool, and she wouldn't lie to me...
The cool thing about Tucson is that you also get access to all of medical facilities that PHX is associated with if you want. Heck, you could even do all of your 3rd and 4th year rotations if you really wanted to, so you can easily get that diversity. However, during your preclinical years, the connected hospital in Tucson will make your life significantly easier when it comes to shadowing and getting more exposure to medicine since it is literally a couple minute walk to class. Not to sound like a gunner, but when it comes time for residency applications if you have been shadowing in a particular department for a couple of years plus doing a 3rd year elective and a Sub-I there, you can basically know that your LOR from the department chairperson will rock (something to keep in mind).
I do agree with the slight negative fact of Tucson being larger, but it is still smaller than most other medical schools with only 115 students. This to me can actually be nice if you don't want every one of your classmates to know all of your business, which with only 48 people in Phoenix seems pretty likely. This is not to say that I want to be completely anonymous in med school, but there certainly times where I just want to do my own thing without everyone wondering what's up with me (I'm not saying this isn't possible in Phoenix).
The geography/environment of Tucson is probably the point I disagree with the most. I know initially Tucson seems kind of crappy, especially if you only go to the University and don't explore the entire city. Honestly though, if you even take a little bit of time to admire the Catalina mountains, you absolutely have to love the geography in Tucson WAY more than in Phoenix. Camelback mountain doesn't have **** on the Catalinas. Similar to Phoenix, there are a number of different mountain ranges around Tucson, but in Tucson, you can see them no matter where you are nice. Furthermore, the activities you can do in the mountains near Tucson are much better. My favorite is that in the winter you can drive like 45 minutes and go skiing/snowboarding and come home that night and go out in shorts and a T-shirt for dinner.
Aside from the geography, Tucson is a lot like Phoenix with better/worse areas to be in, and you just have to learn where to go. I guess if you're looking for a snoody place like Old Town Scottsdale, you won't find that in Tucson, but I don't have any interest in wasting my money in the Snobsdale nightclubs or restaurants anyways.
Phoenix Pros: New program (more flexible to dealing with the desires, comments, criticisms of students), small class size (individualized attention, really get to know your other classmates), new anatomy lab with Dr. Fisher's nationally ranked program, longitudinal clinic experience (I believe Tucson has similar CBL, team based exercises but not the 1-on-1 clinical mentoring that spans 2 years), capstones (don't think Tucson has them, otherwise they would start early like we do), wide range of clinical affiliates (Mayo, PCH, Barrow, etc.), resources of ASU research wise (see cons), I like downtown Phoenix a million times more than any part of Tucson, and the BIGGEST ONE: I'm going there 😉
I agree about the receptiveness of the administration in Phoenix, which is something I heard repeatedly from the students. I think its a double-edged sword though (as Shep points out), in that they are probably receptive because they have some kinks to work out as a brand new school. I'd hope that by next year's incoming class (the fourth one?) that most of the big issues would be worked out, but its hard to know. I have also heard about how great the anatomy program is, but isn't the approach to teaching it similar in Tucsons since they're both UA?
The capstone week is definitely the coolest thing that Phoenix offers over Tucson. More medical schools should adopt this concept.
Again, I already talked about Tucson vs Phoenix, so its probably clear that Shep and I differ on this. I will add though that downtown/central Phoenix is one of my least favorite part of the Phoenix metro area (west Mesa is down there on my list too), so I'd say most of Tucson is better or equal to downtown Phoenix (obviously this is just opinion, like everything here).
Phoenix Cons
New program (problems that arise getting established still probably exist, however I suspect the majority, after three/four years have been ironed out and they are particularly receptive to resolving those still present), amazing things like clinical affiliates, LCE, and labs, however amazing, are not on campus, and travel time is required. The official split has taken many of the resources that ASU has offered but I do have it on very good knowledge that prior existing research opportunities and the like will still be made available for students.
I agree with Shep here, and I have already touched on the other cons of Phoenix that I saw. I think travel time should certainly be emphasized though. If you are lucky enough to live in the downtown area (I would guess that is probably pretty pricey to rent), then this may not be an issue. However, I suspect many people won't, and they get to fight downtown rushhour traffic in the morning in addition to any traffic to and from the various hospitals. Also, even if you do live in downtown some of clinical opportunities are far, far way from downtown, like Mayo. I know you don't have to go to those places, but then doesn't that just negate one of the pros of going to Phoenix?
Overall, both Phoenix and Tucson are great schools, and anyone accepted to either campus should be thrilled. Clearly, I have my bias towards the Tucson campus, which is why I chose to go there.
i disagree with your Tucson con completely. you meant to put the "two blocks in the ghetto" in the phx section. the ghetto in tucson is south of 22nd st (where i used to live).
👍 I agree. There are nice places near both campuses, but there is some real ghetto areas in downtown Phoenix near campus.