2018-2019 Waitlist Support Thread

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If half of accepted students are PTE (that's about what it is right now) and a school is approaching their desired class size, a school should either be accepting a lot of students from the waitlist...or accepting nobody from the waitlist. Nobody knows which is right.

Schools had no way of predicting whether draconian requirements for converting to CTE were necessary (or desirable).

I assume the other half is PTE? (I think you said that before.) Again, the question is, are there a significant number of schools that have not adopted the post-4/30 PTE protocol? If so, then you will be accepting a lot from the waitlist, because a lot of candidates are holding undisclosed multiple acceptances. If not, then there will be little movement due to the chicken and egg problem of no waitlist movement begetting no PTEs dropping their acceptances before CTE time rolls around.
 
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I assume the other half is PTE? (I think you said that before.) Again, the question is, are there a significant number of schools that have not adopted the post-4/30 PTE protocol? If so, then you will be accepting a lot from the waitlist, because a lot of candidates are holding undisclosed multiple acceptances. If not, then there will be little movement due to the chicken and egg problem of no waitlist movement begetting no PTEs dropping their acceptances before CTE time rolls around.
Bolded does not help.
Until they are required to CTE, there will be no movement. The AAMC told us all to require CTE 21 days before orientation. It appears that most of us did.
This does favor the "early start" schools.
 
I have an awful feeling that most of the WL movement is already over and because of the CTE dates soon approaching, most applicants are going to be forced to go to schools that aren't their top choice and be locked in.
Not sure about WL movement, but applicants being forced to go to a school that isn't their top choice isn't the end of the world. If anything that would be a benefit to other people since people won't be holding multiple acceptances at a time. If anything, CTE deadlines should've been the middle of this month or so
 
This does not help.
Until they are required to CTE, there will be no movement. The AAMC told us all to require CTE 21 days before orientation. It appears that most of us did.
This does favor the "early start" schools.
@gyngyn repeating myself a bit from above, but don't you think schools will be at risk of underfilling if they wait until July?
 
@gyngyn repeating myself a bit from above, but don't you think schools will be at risk of underfilling if they wait until July?
Only a very naive admissions dean would have gone into this predictable mess of a cycle without multiple contingency plans...and even they will fill. Remember, Northstate filled without even going through AMCAS! They used faxes and paypal starting at the very end of the cycle in their first year.
 
@gyngyn repeating myself a bit from above, but don't you think schools will be at risk of underfilling if they wait until July?
I don’t think there will be that risk. I think the only thing schools may lose are some of their more highly qualified WL candidates and hence will have to “settle” with some of their less qualified ones. Of course, being put on a waitlist supposedly means you are good for admission but there are not enough seats, but surely there are more desirable students on a waitlist than others.
 
I don’t think there will be that risk. I think the only thing schools may lose are some of their more highly qualified WL candidates and hence will have to “settle” with some of their less qualified ones. Of course, being put on a waitlist supposedly means you are good for admission but there are not enough seats, but surely there are more desirable students on a waitlist than others.
If you apply this logic to ranked waitlists, then it seems like some of the people lower down may get pulled off, assuming the people toward the top have already been forced to CTE elsewhere. For unranked though, it’s hard to tell.
 
I don’t think there will be that risk. I think the only thing schools may lose are some of their more highly qualified WL candidates and hence will have to “settle” with some of their less qualified ones. Of course, being put on a waitlist supposedly means you are good for admission but there are not enough seats, but surely there are more desirable students on a waitlist than others.
The definition of "desirable" changes as the composition of the class changes. The flexibility to respond to these changes is the reason that so few waitlists are numerically ranked.
 
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Has anyone heard of situations where a DO student drops out of the summer semester (starting early June) to accept a position off of an MD waitlist? I understand you may still need to pay summer tuition but is anyone considering this possibility?
 
to the people in limbo who still don't know where they are attending yet: what are your all's plans for housing? are you going to put a deposit down on an apartment at school A? And then if you get into school B, just wing it? or are you planning to have a place lined up for school B as well? I put myself in a bad situation because i'm going out of the country before both of my schools start (school A starts 1 week after school B, and I get home 5 days before school B starts.... :lame:), and if I do get into school B, it will be hard to find housing while on vacation and that close to school starting (CTE deadline is the day after I leave, so I suspect movement will occur after then). #help (feel free to PM me too)
 
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Has anyone heard of situations where a DO student drops out of the summer semester (starting early June) to accept a position off of an MD waitlist? I understand you may still need to pay summer tuition but is anyone considering this possibility?

I can imagine this scenario being more common this year. is this allowed? i.e will admissions take back their offer if they find out the student has already begun classes at another school and must withdraw in order to enroll in theirs? @gyngyn
 
I can imagine this scenario being more common this year. is this allowed? i.e will admissions take back their offer if they find out the student has already begun classes at another school and must withdraw in order to enroll in theirs? @gyngyn
It happens all the time.
We never know who has been accepted to a DO school. Nor would it factor into the decision to accept.
 
I'm not completely sure that all schools are going to abide by the "guidelines."

Maybe this explains why some applicants do not feel compelled to follow the guidelines! It still does not explain why any school felt it might be in its interest to not impose the post-4/30 PTE protocol on its acceptees, if for no other reason than to have a better handle on what its accepted pool intends to do, to make it significantly more difficult for multiple acceptees across the board to hoard multiple acceptances, and to grab back a little of the leverage lost through the abolition of the MAR. Not to mention making the process a little less traumatic for the probable scores (or hundreds) of future M1s who are going to fall off a waitlist between 5/1 and the first week or two of classes.
 
Maybe this explains why some applicants do not feel compelled to follow the guidelines! It still does not explain why any school felt it might be in its interest to not impose the post-4/30 PTE protocol on its acceptees, if for no other reason than to have a better handle on what its accepted pool intends to do, to make it significantly more difficult for multiple acceptees across the board to hoard multiple acceptances, and to grab back a little of the leverage lost through the abolition of the MAR. Not to mention making the process a little less traumatic for the probable scores (or hundreds) of future M1s who are going to fall off a waitlist between 5/1 and the first week or two of classes.
I am the girls from North Shore High School and AMCAS is my Regina George.
 
thanks.... just feels bad man that I have to reapply
agree. have you been working on your re-app or want to trade feedback? we can send our primary to one school for verification and that gives us more time to wait for final decisions.
 
agree. have you been working on your re-app or want to trade feedback? we can send our primary to one school for verification and that gives us more time to wait for final decisions.
I was told to redo my personal statement. Beyond that no
 
Maybe this explains why some applicants do not feel compelled to follow the guidelines! It still does not explain why any school felt it might be in its interest to not impose the post-4/30 PTE protocol on its acceptees, if for no other reason than to have a better handle on what its accepted pool intends to do, to make it significantly more difficult for multiple acceptees across the board to hoard multiple acceptances, and to grab back a little of the leverage lost through the abolition of the MAR. Not to mention making the process a little less traumatic for the probable scores (or hundreds) of future M1s who are going to fall off a waitlist between 5/1 and the first week or two of classes.
We all used to follow the rules. AAMC abandoned us all.

I don't know what you mean by the 4/30 PTE protocol. As far as I can tell, just about all the accepted candidates have chosen CTE or PTE. It does little to help move this process along because half of them are PTE. PTE tells us nothing.
 
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We all used to follow the rules. AAMC abandoned us all.

I don't know what you mean by the 4/30 PTE protocol. As far as I can tell, just about all the accepted candidates have chosen CTE or PTE. It does little to help move this process along because half of them are PTE. PTE tells us nothing.
I feel like the only way to get it to move is to demand CTE or to rescind admission but even then it seems hard to enforce CTE because students can still not notify schools or schools will not rescind an applicant they like.
 
I feel like the only way to get it to move is to demand CTE or to rescind admission but even then it seems hard to enforce CTE because students can still not notify schools or schools will not rescind an applicant they like.
This just doesn't seem right, at least not now, maybe much closer to matriculation.
 
I feel like the only way to get it to move is to demand CTE or to rescind admission but even then it seems hard to enforce CTE because students can still not notify schools or schools will not rescind an applicant they like.
one of my WL schools posted on their website that they won't offer acceptance to any students who selected CTE for another school
 
one of my WL schools posted on their website that they won't offer acceptance to any students who selected CTE for another school
If only this were a traffic rule...oh wait, it once was one!
 
We all used to follow the rules. AAMC abandoned us all.

I don't know what you mean by the 4/30 PTE protocol. As far as I can tell, just about all the accepted candidates have chosen CTE or PTE. It does little to help move this process along because half of them are PTE. PTE tells us nothing.

Sorry, I did not realize I was not being clear. What I mean is, I understand the so-called AAMC "Application and Acceptance Protocols" are merely suggestions, and are not required unless and until individual schools require them. So, schools such as yours have required accepted applicants to narrow their acceptances down to one school after 4/30, and to indicate that selection through the PTE designation in the CYMS tool. You should be able to run a report (after 4/30) to see which of your accepted students have PTE'd or CTE'd elsewhere, and to take action accordingly.

On the other hand, since the protocols are merely suggestions until implemented by a school, I've been asking whether you know whether a significant number of schools have not required their accepted candidates to use the CYMS to reduce their acceptances to one after 4/30 by selecting one school as PTE or CTE. Any school that is not requiring use of the CYMS tool to select it, at least as PTE, until 3 weeks before classes start, is allowing that applicant to hold that admission, blind to any school at which the student has elected PTE. If this is happening all over the place, applicants could be holding multiple acceptances now just like in February, and that's what's messing everything up for everyone who hasn't settled in at their first choice (at least among remaining choices), and for you, since you can't know whether or not your PTEs are holding undisclosed acceptances at schools that haven't required them to use the tool and reduce their acceptances to one. The "protocols" are worthless unless everyone is required to follow them!

If this is not happening, you are not going to see a lot of WL movement, because nothing is going to precipitate it. For the most part, your PTEs will convert to CTEs because no schools are going to have vacancies they need to fill. If students are holding multiple acceptances without using the CYMS to reduce to one via PTE (because all schools are not requiring it), this will cause the WL activity you are anticipating since vacancies will be created when they release their heretofore unidentified multiple acceptances.

I am questioning, if this is in fact going to happen, how it was in a any school's interest to allow it to happen? If all schools are like yours, then where is the WL movement going to come from that will cause you to lose your PTEs?
 
I feel like the only way to get it to move is to demand CTE or to rescind admission but even then it seems hard to enforce CTE because students can still not notify schools or schools will not rescind an applicant they like.

According to my reading of how the CYMS tool works, students do not have to self-report. Schools can run reports to see which of their PTE or CTE students have PTE'd or CTE'd elsewhere (just not where!), and rescind or do whatever else they want. No need to demand CTE, and this can be done now, if a school wanted to do it.
 
Sorry, I did not realize I was not being clear. What I mean is, I understand the so-called AAMC "Application and Acceptance Protocols" are merely suggestions, and are not required unless and until individual schools require them. So, schools such as yours have required accepted applicants to narrow their acceptances down to one school after 4/30, and to indicate that selection through the PTE designation in the CYMS tool. You should be able to run a report (after 4/30) to see which of your accepted students have PTE'd or CTE'd elsewhere, and to take action accordingly.

On the other hand, since the protocols are merely suggestions until implemented by a school, I've been asking whether you know whether a significant number of schools have not required their accepted candidates to use the CYMS to reduce their acceptances to one after 4/30 by selecting one school as PTE or CTE. Any school that is not requiring use of the CYMS tool to select it, at least as PTE, until 3 weeks before classes start, is allowing that applicant to hold that admission, blind to any school at which the student has elected PTE. If this is happening all over the place, applicants could be holding multiple acceptances now just like in February, and that's what's messing everything up for everyone who hasn't settled in at their first choice (at least among remaining choices), and for you, since you can't know whether or not your PTEs are holding undisclosed acceptances at schools that haven't required them to use the tool and reduce their acceptances to one. The "protocols" are worthless unless everyone is required to follow them!

If this is not happening, you are not going to see a lot of WL movement, because nothing is going to precipitate it. For the most part, your PTEs will convert to CTEs because no schools are going to have vacancies they need to fill. If students are holding multiple acceptances without using the CYMS to reduce to one via PTE (because all schools are not requiring it), this will cause the WL activity you are anticipating since vacancies will be created when they release their heretofore unidentified multiple acceptances.

I am questioning, if this is in fact going to happen, how it was in a any school's interest to allow it to happen? If all schools are like yours, then where is the WL movement going to come from that will cause you to lose your PTEs?
The "admissions community" had very little idea what the AAMC was likely to implement until about two months ago. Even then, what form it might take was unclear. With so little information, there wasn't much upon which to base a mandatory requirement for candidates.
 
According to my reading of how the CYMS tool works, students do not have to self-report. Schools can run reports to see which of their PTE or CTE students have PTE'd or CTE'd elsewhere (just not where!), and rescind or do whatever else they want. No need to demand CTE, and this can be done now, if a school wanted to do it.
It would seem arbitrary and capricious (to me) to demand something from applicants so late in the cycle (which is when we were hearing how the "tool" was going to work).
 
The "admissions community" had very little idea what the AAMC was likely to implement until about two months ago. Even then, what form it might take was unclear. With so little information, there wasn't much upon which to base a mandatory requirement for candidates.

Ah ha, all now is revealed!! 🙂 I had no idea you guys had no heads-up and flew relatively blind right into 5/1! Fortunately, at no charge, I have given you the solution for future years. 🙂 (Mandatory use of PTE or CTE after 4/30, for no purpose other than to push WL movement up from less than 3 weeks before classes start to May, and to eliminate the unfair advantage early start schools have over the rest of the field.)

Any chance I could copyright this and use it to float to the top of your pile when it's time for me to apply??? 🙂
 
Some schools do require PTE, I have personally been emailed to choose the CYMS tool and had to comply so I am not risking my acceptance.
 
Some schools do require PTE, I have personally been emailed to choose the CYMS tool and had to comply so I am not risking my acceptance.
Requiring PTE is so April 2019.
 
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