2020-2021 Waitlist Support Thread

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For those of you considering reapplication, do you think we can reach out to schools about asking for application help? I had success with two schools last year, (the vast majority said no) but I'm afraid asking schools for things can come off negatively. I know that if you are an active applicant (in-cycle or on a waitlist) they cannot help you, but is there any harm in reaching out to schools where you already received an R?
I don't see the harm, since you are now out of play. As you experienced last year, the vast majority will blow you off anyway, and those that might be willing to help might be too busy right now, but there is absolutely no reason not to ask after you receive a R. JMHO, but I'd do it if I were you.

Why do think it might be perceived negatively?
 
I don't think there is harm in reaching out to a school that already gave you the R. Both of the schools I have been rejected at post-II were happy to give feedback so I'd say it's worth a shot.
 
I don't see the harm, since you are now out of play. As you experienced last year, the vast majority will blow you off anyway, and those that might be willing to help might be too busy right now, but there is absolutely no reason not to ask after you receive a R. JMHO, but I'd do it if I were you.

Why do think it might be perceived negatively?
Some of the messages I received from the schools last year in response to my question sounded pretty annoyed. Also, I've just been taught to never email the admissions committee unless absolutely necessary. I'm never really sure what may or may not hurt my chances.
 
Some of the messages I received from the schools last year in response to my question sounded pretty annoyed. Also, I've just been taught to never email the admissions committee unless absolutely necessary. I'm never really sure what may or may not hurt my chances.
FWIW, and I've not yet applied, but I assumed you'd be reaching out to the office staff, and not the adcom itself. Is that what you are talking about?

If so, while I would never go out of my way to annoy anyone (other than maybe some of my fans on SDN and reddit 😎), I think the risk/reward dictates taking the shot after you have already been rejected. At that point, what do you have to lose? Another application with no direction after a rejection?

IMHO, if they not only refuse to help, but actually get annoyed that you are asking, maybe just cross them off your list and devote your time, money and effort to another of the 150+ schools in AAMC. This is an extremely competitive, emotionally draining experience. It is far from unreasonable to ask for a little constructive criticism and guidance after a failed cycle.
 
We have to account for mvmt that is happening and people not reporting on sdn or reddit so I am sure some peeps are getting something
 
We have to account for mvmt that is happening and people not reporting on sdn or reddit so I am sure some peeps are getting something
Absolutely!! SDN is merely a non-representative barometer, not an accurate reporting vehicle.

I just wanted to wish you all luck as you enter the home stretch the next few weeks. If the past two years are a guide, more and more people are going to drop excess As as 4/30 approaches, and WL movement is going to start to pick up over the next month or so, peaking in the first two weeks of May.

The first wave will be caused by people dropping existing As between now and 4/30, with the next wave being caused by people who receive an A off a WL in the next few weeks either dropping it or the A they hold on 4/30. Just remember -- every seat is going to be filled by the time classes begin. Once a school has reduced the number of outstanding As down to its class size, every single A after the first one held by someone is ultimately going to result in someone without an A receiving a call! It might take a few waves to get there, but this is what happens between now and orientation at every school.

I have a feeling, based on SDN posts from this time in both 2018 and 2019, that many of you are going to receive good news in the next few weeks. I sure hope so, since I don't want to have to compete with you guys next cycle!!! 🙂
 
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WL at three TX schools and one in AZ. I saw movement at my top choice (3 ppl posted about getting As this week) and it's somehow making me less hopeful because there are now three fewer spots available. There's no winning here
I've had dreams where
Absolutely!! SDN is merely a non-representative barometer, not an accurate reporting vehicle.

I just wanted to wish you all luck as you enter the home stretch the next few weeks. If the past two years are a guide, more and more people are going to drop excess As as 4/30 approaches, and WL movement is going to start to pick up over the next month or so, peaking in the first two weeks of May.

The first wave will be caused by people dropping existing As between now and 4/30, with the next wave being caused by people who receive an A off a WL in the next few weeks either dropping it or the A they hold on 4/30. Just remember -- every seat is going to be filled by the time classes begin. Once a school has reduced the number of outstanding As down to its class size, every single A after the first one held by someone is ultimately going to result in someone without an A receiving a call! it might take a few waves to get there, but this is what happens between now and orientation at every school.

I have a feeling, based on SDN posts from this time in both 2018 and 2019, that many of you are going to receive good news in the next few weeks. I sure hope so, since I don't want to have to compete with you guys next cycle!!! 🙂
Thanks for this post! This WL thread has been a nice corner on SDN of encouragement/positivity for all of us still waiting.

Praying for all of us in the upcoming weeks!! Our time is coming 🙂
 
Absolutely!! SDN is merely a non-representative barometer, not an accurate reporting vehicle.

I just wanted to wish you all luck as you enter the home stretch the next few weeks. If the past two years are a guide, more and more people are going to drop excess As as 4/30 approaches, and WL movement is going to start to pick up over the next month or so, peaking in the first two weeks of May.

The first wave will be caused by people dropping existing As between now and 4/30, with the next wave being caused by people who receive an A off a WL in the next few weeks either dropping it or the A they hold on 4/30. Just remember -- every seat is going to be filled by the time classes begin. Once a school has reduced the number of outstanding As down to its class size, every single A after the first one held by someone is ultimately going to result in someone without an A receiving a call! It might take a few waves to get there, but this is what happens between now and orientation at every school.

I have a feeling, based on SDN posts from this time in both 2018 and 2019, that many of you are going to receive good news in the next few weeks. I sure hope so, since I don't want to have to compete with you guys next cycle!!! 🙂

Good luck everyone!
 
I cant handle this anymore. Im on 5 WL with 1 highpriority WL. Do you guys think my chances are good? Im seriously losing it
Yes! Nobody who is not on your schools' adcoms can say for sure, but with 5 WLs, including 1 HPWL, you are statistically likely to convert 1 or 2 of them into As (especially the HPWL!), based on average conversion rates of IIs into As, which include people being called off WLs. I really think you are in pretty decent shape.
 
Yes! Nobody who is not on your schools' adcoms can say for sure, but with 5 WLs, including 1 HPWL, you are statistically likely to convert 1 or 2 of them into As (especially the HPWL!), based on average conversion rates of IIs into As, which include people being called off WLs. I really think you are in pretty decent shape.
Thanks Knightdoc 😎, I need some hopium for the weeks ahead
 
Yes! Nobody who is not on your schools' adcoms can say for sure, but with 5 WLs, including 1 HPWL, you are statistically likely to convert 1 or 2 of them into As (especially the HPWL!), based on average conversion rates of IIs into As, which include people being called off WLs. I really think you are in pretty decent shape.
Only thing that makes me doubt this optimism is the number of members on various schools' Class of 2025 Facebook Groups. I took a look at some of the FB groups for the Class of 2025 at a few of my WL schools, and they are all either just at the school's entering class capacity or even over it by 20-30+ people. It made me question how much WL movement actually occurs, and perhaps served as a reminder that WL movement is truly minimal at each school as each school has already offered As at or above class capacity.

Feel free to combat this line of thinking, I'd be happy to hear.
 
Only thing that makes me doubt this optimism is the number of members on various schools' Class of 2025 Facebook Groups. I took a look at some of the FB groups for the Class of 2025 at a few of my WL schools, and they are all either just at the school's entering class capacity or even over it by 20-30+ people. It made me question how much WL movement actually occurs, and perhaps served as a reminder that WL movement is truly minimal at each school as each school has already offered As at or above class capacity.

Feel free to combat this line of thinking, I'd be happy to hear.
Many current students and graduating MS4's join the FB group to promote programs, sell their apartment room, etc.

Students who also were accepted a while ago but decided to go elsewhere may have never left the group.
 
Only thing that makes me doubt this optimism is the number of members on various schools' Class of 2025 Facebook Groups. I took a look at some of the FB groups for the Class of 2025 at a few of my WL schools, and they are all either just at the school's entering class capacity or even over it by 20-30+ people. It made me question how much WL movement actually occurs, and perhaps served as a reminder that WL movement is truly minimal at each school as each school has already offered As at or above class capacity.

Feel free to combat this line of thinking, I'd be happy to hear.
FB group member, in my humble opinion, is a pretty bad method to gauge the school’s class capacity. First, it’s not just newly entering class who are in the fb group, there has to be faculty and student members who are there to guide the new kiddos. Plus a lot of accepted kids join fb once they are accepted (especially since we couldnt visit the campus or interact with anyone), and leave once they commit to a diff place!
 
what about if you're only on two unranked waitlsits, what are the chances then lol ?
Obviously, not as good as 5 WLs with one HPWL, but still far above zero!

It's a blind guess, since we don't know exactly what's in your file, or how it compares to everyone else on your WLs, but it's a rough rule of thumb that says 3 IIs = 1 A. It comes from the fact that post-II A rates vary from around 15% to around 75%, with 33% being a conservative estimate across all schools.

This doesn't mean you can't convert a single II into an A, or that someone with 10 IIs can't strike out, but, it's an average that holds up pretty well across 50,000+ applicants every year. Good luck!!!
 
Hi everyone. Just found this thread. My people!! lol. I'm on 3 WLs right now, including at my top choice. I looked at the thread from last year at my top choice and there was a LOT of movement on April 30th (which was a Thursday) and on May 1. I'm hoping for the best for this Friday, while also expecting the worst so I don't get too emotionally invested. This cycle has been... a lot... to say the least. I'm glad it's almost over.
 
We have to account for mvmt that is happening and people not reporting on sdn or reddit so I am sure some peeps are getting something
You have to look for Indirect clues that something is happening. Watch the X vs. Y forum, Especially after April 30. And less so, the school threads via new questions about program details this late in the decision process.
 
Only thing that makes me doubt this optimism is the number of members on various schools' Class of 2025 Facebook Groups. I took a look at some of the FB groups for the Class of 2025 at a few of my WL schools, and they are all either just at the school's entering class capacity or even over it by 20-30+ people. It made me question how much WL movement actually occurs, and perhaps served as a reminder that WL movement is truly minimal at each school as each school has already offered As at or above class capacity.

Feel free to combat this line of thinking, I'd be happy to hear.
I’ve posted about this before. Let’s say five similar schools each only offered 100 As for 100 seats each. If the schools are in fact quite similar, there is a good chance that there is not insignificant overlap of candidates who received As at multiple of the schools. In aggregate, there would therefore be a deficit and need to draw from the WL. The higher ranked the schools are, the more likely this occurs.p due to the bell curve shape of stats.
 
I’ve posted about this before. Let’s say five similar schools each only offered 100 As for 100 seats each. If the schools are in fact quite similar, there is a good chance that there is not insignificant overlap of candidates who received As at multiple of the schools. In aggregate, there would therefore be a deficit and need to draw from the WL. The higher ranked the schools are, the more likely this occurs.p due to the bell curve shape of stats.
interesting point, i would have originally thought that it would be the opposite, that the higher ranked the school is the higher their yields tend to be. Therefore i wouldve thought that schools in the top 10-20 have pretty insignificant movement. wouldve thought that lower, middle of the pack schools would have the most cause the top candidates likely have A's there, as well as at the top schools. im sure there's data for this somewhere, i havent looked into it
 
It's a blind guess, since we don't know exactly what's in your file, or how it compares to everyone else on your WLs, but it's a rough rule of thumb that says 3 IIs = 1 A. It comes from the fact that post-II A rates vary from around 15% to around 75%, with 33% being a conservative
So can we also assume that low yield schools with over 10,000 apps in a normal cycle will also see more WL movement this cycle? I’m thinking that a lot of high stat applicants with a lot of acceptances would apply to those types of schools as well
As someone with 3 WLs and one of them is from low yield school (top choice), I’m loving you guys’ statements. ✨confirmation bias✨
 
So can we also assume that low yield schools with over 10,000 apps in a normal cycle will also see more WL movement this cycle? I’m thinking that a lot of high stat applicants with a lot of acceptances would apply to those types of schools as well
This is what I’m hoping for! My low yield only md interview had a lot of high stat people accepted and I’ve seen some of them withdraw already...hoping for the best🤧
 
Only thing that makes me doubt this optimism is the number of members on various schools' Class of 2025 Facebook Groups. I took a look at some of the FB groups for the Class of 2025 at a few of my WL schools, and they are all either just at the school's entering class capacity or even over it by 20-30+ people. It made me question how much WL movement actually occurs, and perhaps served as a reminder that WL movement is truly minimal at each school as each school has already offered As at or above class capacity.

Feel free to combat this line of thinking, I'd be happy to hear.
As someone who was only just reminded to leave the fb groups of the schools I withdrew from (thanks lol), I can say that some people stay in multiple school's fb groups until April 30th, until they have all of their questions answered/financial aid/etc.
 
Anybody else think there might actually end up being less movement this year? I feel like schools waitlisted a lot of applicants. One school Im waitlisted at interviewed 300 more than they usually do.
if schools waitlisted a lot of the same candidates, then what happens?
 
Anybody else think there might actually end up being less movement this year? I feel like schools waitlisted a lot of applicants. One school Im waitlisted at interviewed 300 more than they usually do.
Well, no.. I think this scenario is correct however there will MORE movement this year, with just more applicants on the waitlist.

I think?
 
Anybody else think there might actually end up being less movement this year? I feel like schools waitlisted a lot of applicants. One school Im waitlisted at interviewed 300 more than they usually do.
curious what is going on at Geisinger. Last year they waitlisted 380(!!!) and only accepted about 30 off the waitlist. Would this year be even crazier?
 
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