2022-2023 Waitlist Support Thread

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Treating this as a waitlist *emotional* support thread and venting a little. 3.95/521, studied biochemistry, with many research hours and a great LOR from my PI (though no publications), significant and very unique non-clinical work experience, 2000 hours of scribing in an ER with a good LOR from a doctor, very involved in music-related extracurriculars. Only about 60 hours of non-clinical volunteering but oh well. Hated my personal statement and the whole writing process, but then again I've hated every personal statement I've read and I think it got the job done. I knew med school apps were super competitive but I honestly assumed I was guaranteed at least 1 admission.

Applied to 15 schools (planned to do more but burnt out lol), interviewed at 5, and waitlisted at 3, including my top choice from the start. Thought my interviews went pretty well.

No acceptances yet and I feel like I'm going crazy. I've been miserable during my gap year without anything bigger to work towards. I absolutely hate being in this limbo, and I feel guilty for not doing better for everyone who's helped me so far. We are getting evicted from the apartment I grew up in at some undetermined point this year, which adds to the limbo and confusion. I love my ER job but feel like I plateaued w/r/t medical knowledge a while ago, and really want to move forward. It's even more confusing and stressful with the next application cycle approaching - I know I should get working on it, but doing that feels like defeat, and there's a big emotional/mental block stopping me. I also am not sure what I should change, besides minor things and updates, since whatever I did was enough to get me interviews at a third of the schools I applied to.

I also have a lot of shame regarding how I've been reacting to this. I'm having trouble taking it in stride and have been very depressed for a while, much worse over the past week. I know several wonderful doctors who were reapplicants and understand that in the long run, it's not that big of a deal. Still, I feel like I'm having an unusually strong psychological reaction, and am not sure whether it is "normal". I know that waitlists have only just begun to move and there is still a chance to get in, but the rapid mood swings between absolute dejection and "oh, I'll definitely get off at least one" are hard to tolerate. I don't really know what to do!

Anyway, I thought it might help to write all that down. Maybe it'll be of comfort or interest to someone going through something similar, Wishing you all good luck with your waitlists, unless we are on the same waitlist, in which case you are the only thing between me and happiness and I pray on your downfall.
please dont be ashamed for how your responding to this. this process SUCKS. I had a breakdown earlier today and oddly the tears made me feel a little better. I really hope you get off a WL. just know you aren't alone in this, I truly hope we hear good news soon
 
Hi all, just wanted to drop by and tell anyone who might be having some hard time waiting that it’s not over yet, I personally know an individual who wasn’t taken off the waitlist until June! He just matched into his top choice speciality. At the same time if, unfortunately, you’re not taken off then it is no problem to reapply, although cliche, persistence is always key in the medical path. All the best to everyone, waiting with y’all on four waitlists. Good vibes!
 
is anyone here waiting for a post ii decision for an MD school?? theres this one school who hasn't sent any R's or anything post interview. they did some some wl but i haven't gotten anything. when i reach out, they just say they are still reviewing my app.
 
I think id rather eat my own foot raw than rewrite my ps but i guess this is how it goes

I am truly dreading rewriting my ps more than retaking the MCAT next week. I just keep fantasizing that I'm going to be taken off the WL the day before my retake and instead of going to that the test I can just go lay in bed and stare at the ceiling for hours while I dump every single piece of information out of my head for the next few months.
 
Thoughts on providing my “last day im allowed on your waitlist due to another schools commit policy” update letter to waitlisted schools if my last day is coming up in the next 2 weeks?
 

All this is in a faq on AMCAS too.
There it shows No Decision. They even have an example table.
So if some one has no A will show ND.
And those who did not follow PTE guideline and had an A but did not PTE, may show as ND also. That was my conclusion. I am not on adcom though 🙂
 
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Treating this as a waitlist *emotional* support thread and venting a little. 3.95/521, studied biochemistry, with many research hours and a great LOR from my PI (though no publications), significant and very unique non-clinical work experience, 2000 hours of scribing in an ER with a good LOR from a doctor, very involved in music-related extracurriculars. Only about 60 hours of non-clinical volunteering but oh well. Hated my personal statement and the whole writing process, but then again I've hated every personal statement I've read and I think it got the job done. I knew med school apps were super competitive but I honestly assumed I was guaranteed at least 1 admission.

Applied to 15 schools (planned to do more but burnt out lol), interviewed at 5, and waitlisted at 3, including my top choice from the start. Thought my interviews went pretty well.

No acceptances yet and I feel like I'm going crazy. I've been miserable during my gap year without anything bigger to work towards. I absolutely hate being in this limbo, and I feel guilty for not doing better for everyone who's helped me so far. We are getting evicted from the apartment I grew up in at some undetermined point this year, which adds to the limbo and confusion. I love my ER job but feel like I plateaued w/r/t medical knowledge a while ago, and really want to move forward. It's even more confusing and stressful with the next application cycle approaching - I know I should get working on it, but doing that feels like defeat, and there's a big emotional/mental block stopping me. I also am not sure what I should change, besides minor things and updates, since whatever I did was enough to get me interviews at a third of the schools I applied to.

I also have a lot of shame regarding how I've been reacting to this. I'm having trouble taking it in stride and have been very depressed for a while, much worse over the past week. I know several wonderful doctors who were reapplicants and understand that in the long run, it's not that big of a deal. Still, I feel like I'm having an unusually strong psychological reaction, and am not sure whether it is "normal". I know that waitlists have only just begun to move and there is still a chance to get in, but the rapid mood swings between absolute dejection and "oh, I'll definitely get off at least one" are hard to tolerate. I don't really know what to do!

Anyway, I thought it might help to write all that down. Maybe it'll be of comfort or interest to someone going through something similar, Wishing you all good luck with your waitlists, unless we are on the same waitlist, in which case you are the only thing between me and happiness and I pray on your downfall.
Unfortunately, we are stuck in this prison of expectation and discontentment until we either find something worthwhile to accomplish or the A. Focusing on the former has been my way of coping, because I think doing just that would prevent me from leading a life where my sole existence is reduced to just being a doctor. I‘m not going to lie but that taking this step feels like I have accepted my uncertain*(very conflicting I know) defeat from this cycle, but at least I am finding contentment from my progression in other aspects of my life which doesn‘t have to be career related. Do you have a goal just for yourself that you have been dying to achieve? Relationships? A second career or hustle? There is always more that we could do, but sometime not more that we could do for a particular area. And it is ok to relapse into sadness, I do it too…

I hope my message serves to help you see that your happiness doesn’t have to tie so tightly around the A (as I am also reminding myself). Life, for better or worse, goes on…It will only be a tragedy if we stand still, so keep fighting ~ ~
 
What are you guys doing to pass the time (besides work and other responsibilities)?

I can't find joy in anything anymore.
I’ve been really focusing on fitness and playing around w recipes (I do the cooking for my family). It helps but I’ve accepted that my mind will never fully be distracted from the cycle
 
This thread is one of the only places that’s providing me real comfort right now. Seeing you guys express these same complex feelings of shame and worthlessness really resonate with me because I’m not able to verbalize how I feel to my friends and family. I feel quite melodramatic with how hard this has been hitting me because I know no one should feel that they *deserve* to go to medical school. But….I feel like we do? Anyway, I have also been really struggling with finding joy in each day while waiting.

I wanted to ask, what’s everyone’s progress for reapplying right now? I’m also really struggling to rewrite my PS, and set time to do it every day and just get nothing done. But getting more and more anxious about it. I’m also having a hard time getting my old professors to update my letters, since I haven’t seen them in a couple years now. Anyone else relate to this? I just feel like I’m already really falling behind on the reapplication process
 
This thread is one of the only places that’s providing me real comfort right now. Seeing you guys express these same complex feelings of shame and worthlessness really resonate with me because I’m not able to verbalize how I feel to my friends and family. I feel quite melodramatic with how hard this has been hitting me because I know no one should feel that they *deserve* to go to medical school. But….I feel like we do? Anyway, I have also been really struggling with finding joy in each day while waiting.

I wanted to ask, what’s everyone’s progress for reapplying right now? I’m also really struggling to rewrite my PS, and set time to do it every day and just get nothing done. But getting more and more anxious about it. I’m also having a hard time getting my old professors to update my letters, since I haven’t seen them in a couple years now. Anyone else relate to this? I just feel like I’m already really falling behind on the reapplication process
I can't get started on my PS because I am taking an accelerated EMT course right now, going through 10-12 chapters per week. I'm planning on starting late-May when the course ends. The content, motivations, ideas will be similar but the examples and structure will be changed up as I garnered new experiences and learned more. Letters of recommendation will be tricky, try to get at least 3 in by June. Keep sending follow-ups every week. I plan to add one from the EMT course and one from my job this past year.

The best feeling would be to get an A next week, though. Hold tight, we're in for a rough ride the next few weeks.
 
Hey guys! This is kind of a stupid question and I know it’s late in the cycle but I just got a physician mentor who wrote me a letter of recommendation. Is it possible to update the schools im waitlisted at, with this rec letter? How do I go about doing that?
 
Hey guys! This is kind of a stupid question and I know it’s late in the cycle but I just got a physician mentor who wrote me a letter of recommendation. Is it possible to update the schools im waitlisted at, with this rec letter? How do I go about doing that?
u can email asking if its ok. some may say no because a LOR is usually for beginning of app cycle.
 
Treating this as a waitlist *emotional* support thread and venting a little. 3.95/521, studied biochemistry, with many research hours and a great LOR from my PI (though no publications), significant and very unique non-clinical work experience, 2000 hours of scribing in an ER with a good LOR from a doctor, very involved in music-related extracurriculars. Only about 60 hours of non-clinical volunteering but oh well. Hated my personal statement and the whole writing process, but then again I've hated every personal statement I've read and I think it got the job done. I knew med school apps were super competitive but I honestly assumed I was guaranteed at least 1 admission.

Applied to 15 schools (planned to do more but burnt out lol), interviewed at 5, and waitlisted at 3, including my top choice from the start. Thought my interviews went pretty well.

No acceptances yet and I feel like I'm going crazy. I've been miserable during my gap year without anything bigger to work towards. I absolutely hate being in this limbo, and I feel guilty for not doing better for everyone who's helped me so far. We are getting evicted from the apartment I grew up in at some undetermined point this year, which adds to the limbo and confusion. I love my ER job but feel like I plateaued w/r/t medical knowledge a while ago, and really want to move forward. It's even more confusing and stressful with the next application cycle approaching - I know I should get working on it, but doing that feels like defeat, and there's a big emotional/mental block stopping me. I also am not sure what I should change, besides minor things and updates, since whatever I did was enough to get me interviews at a third of the schools I applied to.

I also have a lot of shame regarding how I've been reacting to this. I'm having trouble taking it in stride and have been very depressed for a while, much worse over the past week. I know several wonderful doctors who were reapplicants and understand that in the long run, it's not that big of a deal. Still, I feel like I'm having an unusually strong psychological reaction, and am not sure whether it is "normal". I know that waitlists have only just begun to move and there is still a chance to get in, but the rapid mood swings between absolute dejection and "oh, I'll definitely get off at least one" are hard to tolerate. I don't really know what to do!

Anyway, I thought it might help to write all that down. Maybe it'll be of comfort or interest to someone going through something similar, Wishing you all good luck with your waitlists, unless we are on the same waitlist, in which case you are the only thing between me and happiness and I pray on your downfall.
I feel you, I am actually in a pretty dang similar boat. 4.0/521 with 5 Interviews that became 3 WL. Funny enough my top choice is also among those 3. Statistically, I don't think our odds are that bad, but the dread is real. You're not alone. There are others just like us struggling through this process. We'll pull through.
 
What are you guys doing to pass the time (besides work and other responsibilities)?

I can't find joy in anything anymore.
The new Zelda comes out this coming Friday. I've always been hyped for that and I'm sure it'll take up a lot of my time once it drops but as with many here, I don't think I would enjoy it as much because of this whole process. The dread will be in the back of my mind even when I'm playing peak.
 
is there a good chance to get off the waitlist next week? trying to keep up hope 🙁 on waitlist for 2 MD state schools
No one knows. Most schools technically keep their WL open until school starts but we all know that the chance of getting off gets slimmer as time progresses.

If admissions cared about us they could easily give a weekly update on #accepted/#onWL and whether or not they anticipate more decisions, but the vast majority don't care and they don't have a reason to because they know we will continue to bend over backwards to please them.

Basically the only option is to monitor your school's sdn thread, track the official facebook group member count, and cry.
 
This thread is one of the only places that’s providing me real comfort right now. Seeing you guys express these same complex feelings of shame and worthlessness really resonate with me because I’m not able to verbalize how I feel to my friends and family. I feel quite melodramatic with how hard this has been hitting me because I know no one should feel that they *deserve* to go to medical school. But….I feel like we do? Anyway, I have also been really struggling with finding joy in each day while waiting.

I wanted to ask, what’s everyone’s progress for reapplying right now? I’m also really struggling to rewrite my PS, and set time to do it every day and just get nothing done. But getting more and more anxious about it. I’m also having a hard time getting my old professors to update my letters, since I haven’t seen them in a couple years now. Anyone else relate to this? I just feel like I’m already really falling behind on the reapplication process
yea my professors have been MIA too! I was super cool w one tho so when he didn't answer my email I shot him a text. For some reason reaching out to my letter writers is making the prospect of reapplying so much more real than doing the actual application did?? its odd. I pretty much completed my reapp in January LMAO bc I had ZERO faith I'd get any interviews and ended up getting mine (2) between a week-month later. I reached out to old letter writers arund the time too so I don't feel as bad now that I've been a little more pushy.
I will say this tho. unplug. you seem to be where I was last week and a girl was SPIRALING. I unplugged for a bit, did some much needed crying and feel a little better now. Please be kind to yourself
 
This thread is one of the only places that’s providing me real comfort right now. Seeing you guys express these same complex feelings of shame and worthlessness really resonate with me because I’m not able to verbalize how I feel to my friends and family. I feel quite melodramatic with how hard this has been hitting me because I know no one should feel that they *deserve* to go to medical school. But….I feel like we do? Anyway, I have also been really struggling with finding joy in each day while waiting.

I wanted to ask, what’s everyone’s progress for reapplying right now? I’m also really struggling to rewrite my PS, and set time to do it every day and just get nothing done. But getting more and more anxious about it. I’m also having a hard time getting my old professors to update my letters, since I haven’t seen them in a couple years now. Anyone else relate to this? I just feel like I’m already really falling behind on the reapplication process

Can relate to this 100%.

I’m behind on my PS, my work/activities description, and letters
 
Can relate to this 100%.

I’m behind on my PS, my work/activities description, and letters
same here. i'm wrapping up final exams, and i also need to start packing up soon to move home after graduation (literally across the country).
currently stressing about exams, selling furniture, fitting all my belongings into a limited number of suitcases for a plane ride, and i just don't have the mental capacity to focus on my application until after i finish exams next week at the earliest

haven't even started revising my PS or activities yet, and i still need to email a few people about letters. also contemplating if i even want to/can retake the MCAT for this cycle (i'm registered, but i don't think i'll have enough time to bring my score up to where i want it -- and my current score is definitely fine as is, i just figured it'd be nice to have a shot at the top schools lol)

trying to take it one day at a time, but god damn i am stressed
 
I feel you, I am actually in a pretty dang similar boat. 4.0/521 with 5 Interviews that became 3 WL. Funny enough my top choice is also among those 3. Statistically, I don't think our odds are that bad, but the dread is real. You're not alone. There are others just like us struggling through this process. We'll pull through.
Haha, score twinsies. 3.93/521 and 2 interviews to 2 waitlists. On a side note, if I don't get in this year, I plan to shoot for a 2025 fall admittance. I took my MCAT in August of 2022. Does anyone here know if it'll still be good for that cycle?
 
Haha, score twinsies. 3.93/521 and 2 interviews to 2 waitlists. On a side note, if I don't get in this year, I plan to shoot for a 2025 fall admittance. I took my MCAT in August of 2022. Does anyone here know if it'll still be good for that cycle?
It is a crime that someone with your and “True Asian”’s caliber have to wait this long for an acceptance. It is inexcusable and it pains me. I hope you both get off your waitlists this cycle. Our patient population needs smart people like you. It will be their loss to miss out on you both.

I believe your MCAT will be fine. I stumbled upon one document from aamc which lists the oldest acceptable mcat test for every single medical school. Please do a search.
 
It is a crime that someone with your and “True Asian”’s caliber have to wait this long for an acceptance. It is inexcusable and it pains me. I hope you both get off your waitlists this cycle. Our patient population needs smart people like you. It will be their loss to miss out on you both.

I believe your MCAT will be fine. I stumbled upon one document from aamc which lists the oldest acceptable mcat test for every single medical school. Please do a search.
Thank you so much for the document! It's a lot of piece of mind to know I probably won't need to retake it. It hurts, but I know why I probably didn't get in this year. My volunteer and shadowing hours got shot because of covid (I'm a trad applicant at an out of state schools, so the combination of restrictions, my major and being away from school really cut into my ability to do stuff), and I was late applicant in the cycle from a combination of bad advisor advice and personal issues. There are definitely people who have more patient and personal experience who deserve the A first... but like, I still want it.
 
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Hey all - best wishes. I hope everyone gets off WL.

May be this is not a good time while WL hell is on to raise this topic. It may help divert thoughts a bit.

I wonder what are the groups views IF a process similar to residency match is applied to med school admissions. Scores, demographics, diversity, funds etc. all are just data, it can all be considered in match based on what student and school chooses. Do the interviews and let the match algorithm give all the results on one day. It’s all done. May be done on 3/31. We are torturing the best we have.

And in return the residency match process should actually be democratized and made like a job offer from multiple places so residents can get better salary to pay the loans they have accrued.
 
Hey all - best wishes. I hope everyone gets off WL.

May be this is not a good time while WL hell is on to raise this topic. It may help divert thoughts a bit.

I wonder what are the groups views IF a process similar to residency match is applied to med school admissions. Scores, demographics, diversity, funds etc. all are just data, it can all be considered in match based on what student and school chooses. Do the interviews and let the match algorithm give all the results on one day. It’s all done. May be done on 3/31. We are torturing the best we have.

And in return the residency match process should actually be democratized and made like a job offer from multiple places so residents can get better salary to pay the loans they have accrued.

I agree with every word you have said. I also believe AAMC should conduct the interview and score it for every applicant. They should also make the applicants write the essays in a proctored environment and score them. These will take away arbitrary nature of application evaluation and speed up decision process by the colleges.
 
Thank you so much for the document! It's a lot of piece of mind to know I probably won't need to retake it. It hurts, but I know why I probably didn't get in this year. My volunteer and shadowing hours got shot because of covid (I'm a trad applicant at an out of state schools, so the combination of restrictions, my major and being away from school really cut into my ability to do stuff), and I was late applicant in the cycle from a combination of bad advisor advice and personal issues. There are definitely people who have more patient and personal experience who deserve the A first... but like, I still want it.

You are very welcome and I pray for you to get off the waitlist this cycle.
 
Hey all - best wishes. I hope everyone gets off WL.

May be this is not a good time while WL hell is on to raise this topic. It may help divert thoughts a bit.

I wonder what are the groups views IF a process similar to residency match is applied to med school admissions. Scores, demographics, diversity, funds etc. all are just data, it can all be considered in match based on what student and school chooses. Do the interviews and let the match algorithm give all the results on one day. It’s all done. May be done on 3/31. We are torturing the best we have.

And in return the residency match process should actually be democratized and made like a job offer from multiple places so residents can get better salary to pay the loans they have accrued.
I think the very first and easiest thing they need to do is set some strict guidelines on communicating information to applicants. A very simple monthly update from each school on how and where their process is would be great.

Next would be to make the damn cycle shorter. It’s absolutely ridiculous to have people planning a cross-country move in (some cases) less than a month when they submitted their application an entire year ago.

Also the current “meta” where the average student applies to like 20-25 schools is terrible. There is no way in my mind that the average student 1) legitimately wants to go to all those schools and 2) is a good fit for all those schools and their communities.

I agree with every word you have said. I also believe AAMC should conduct the interview and score it for every applicant. They should also make the applicants write the essays in a proctored environment and score them. These will take away arbitrary nature of application evaluation and speed up decision process by the colleges.

Completely agree. The third party market for med school admissions is getting absolutely ridiculous and the process is too pay-to-play at this point.
 
On a couple MD WL's but thankfully have a DO A. Was on a couple WLs last cycle and had all of the emotions that y'all have mentioned. Trust me when I say that those emotions are natural and valid. What helped me was starting the reapp process (feeling like I wasn't just at the mercy of WL schools), doing some fun traveling, and taking my time on the reapp - don't submit it super early if you feel like you can make it better. I can't say whether we will get off WLs, but I CAN say that y'all are smart, hard-working, good-hearted, competent people who will still have all of those qualities even if this cycle doesn't work out. Hope all of us get A's and Godspeed.
 
I agree with every word you have said. I also believe AAMC should conduct the interview and score it for every applicant. They should also make the applicants write the essays in a proctored environment and score them. These will take away arbitrary nature of application evaluation and speed up decision process by the colleges.
Every school is different so it would be difficult if not impossible to have AAMC conduct the interviews and scores rather than the faculty and students (the actual stakeholders that will have to deal with the applicants they admitted). Also, I don't see how writing the essays in a proctored environment helps with anything as they're supposed to be reflective of your experience and not a test so you're supposed to take your time writing it and it would be unfair to make it otherwise.
 
Every school is different so it would be difficult if not impossible to have AAMC conduct the interviews and scores rather than the faculty and students (the actual stakeholders that will have to deal with the applicants they admitted).
I would never trust the AAMC to share our values.
 
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