2024-2025 Indiana

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queenbeeturnsthree said:
So frustrating that all merit-based scholarships have already been given out. Why bother sending out the scholarship application to Feb/Mar admits if that's the case? If they're planning on redistributing scholarships later on assuming that some people are going to commit somewhere else, I wish they'd be more transparent before inviting others to apply.
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I’m assuming that there may have been people from that timeframe who may have still gotten some scholarships, given that they weren’t all given until now (April). Hopefully that is the case.
 
There's still a chance you can receive a scholarship that was given to someone who decides not to attend. It's just that they have all been designated to recipients at this point
 
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dococt25 said:
When does wait list come out?
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People were waitlisted I believe in mid-late April, and came off waitlists in May and June. Anecdotal, but I have a close friend who came off the waitlist in July a week before orientation (they already moved and started med school at another university, and so broke their lease and came back to Indiana to be closer to family). Although this person is clearly an exception. Haven't met anyone else who was accepted this late.

I suggest you to look at previous years threads as the timing for waitlists and campus assignments came out at very similar times.
 
Quick aside/PSA to anyone that is still considering IUSM as an option; very recently, Senate Bill 289 was passed which is colloquially known as the anti-DEI bill. However, one of the provisions of the bill is that all graduate healthcare education institutions must adopt scaled grading in the form of A-F grades, or some other scale (Honors, high pass, pass, etc.), which means IUSM will likely no longer be P/F. We haven't heard much about any changes in grading policy as of yet, but it's safe to assume these changes will take place fast and could be in place as early as next school year. Just something to consider as P/F grading is often a major selling point of schools and was one of the reasons I was attracted to IU.
 
Whirligig said:
Quick aside/PSA to anyone that is still considering IUSM as an option; very recently, Senate Bill 289 was passed which is colloquially known as the anti-DEI bill. However, one of the provisions of the bill is that all graduate healthcare education institutions must adopt scaled grading in the form of A-F grades, or some other scale (Honors, high pass, pass, etc.), which means IUSM will likely no longer be P/F. We haven't heard much about any changes in grading policy as of yet, but it's safe to assume these changes will take place fast and could be in place as early as next school year. Just something to consider as P/F grading is often a major selling point of schools and was one of the reasons I was attracted to IU.
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Wait, I heard something different from one of the medical students that was present at the judiciary? They told me that the bill 289 was passed, but it was amended to remove a lot of the anti-DEI stuff and removed everything about the pass/fail grading provisions, so I think we are keeping the P/F?

I tried googling for articles and stuff, but cant find much about it to confirm about the grading, but the language regarding the anti-DEI stuff changed a lot:
 
SpicyHotSauce said:
Wait, I heard something different from one of the medical students that was present at the judiciary? They told me that the bill 289 was passed, but it was amended to remove a lot of the anti-DEI stuff and removed everything about the pass/fail grading provisions, so I think we are keeping the P/F?

I tried googling for articles and stuff, but cant find much about it to confirm about the grading, but the language regarding the anti-DEI stuff changed a lot:
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Page 16 on the latest version of the bill still maintains language regarding implementing A-F grading "or another merit-based system." If P/F qualifies as merit-based in some capacity that would be great, but I'm not entirely sure we're out of the woods. I'm not 100% certain what all of it means either so if the students present at the judiciary are certain that change was made then I retract my earlier statement.

Indiana General Assembly

Website for Indiana's General Assembly
iga.in.gov iga.in.gov
 
Whirligig said:
Page 16 on the latest version of the bill still maintains language regarding implementing A-F grading "or another merit-based system." If P/F qualifies as merit-based in some capacity that would be great, but I'm not entirely sure we're out of the woods. I'm not 100% certain what all of it means either so if the students present at the judiciary are certain that change was made then I retract my earlier statement.

Indiana General Assembly

Website for Indiana's General Assembly
iga.in.gov iga.in.gov
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Seems like what I heard from them is contradictory to what's been passed. I take back what I said, what I heard certainly could be wrong. Next time I meet them, Ill ask them about this. Thanks for showing me this link!
 
SpicyHotSauce said:
People were waitlisted I believe in mid-late April, and came off waitlists in May and June. Anecdotal, but I have a close friend who came off the waitlist in July a week before orientation (they already moved and started med school at another university, and so broke their lease and came back to Indiana to be closer to family). Although this person is clearly an exception. Haven't met anyone else who was accepted this late.

I suggest you to look at previous years threads as the timing for waitlists and campus assignments came out at very similar times.
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does that mean if I haven't heard back yet I'm either waitlisted or rejected?
 
dancingtildawn said:
does that mean if I haven't heard back yet I'm either waitlisted or rejected?
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I believe so. I took a quick look at last year's sdn thread, and it seems that waitlists should come out in the coming week (usually the timing of the admission process is more or less the same, speaking as a reapplicant to IUSM who was later accepted). However, don't lose hope. It's not over till it's over, as I said, I know a lot of people who came off the waitlist (a lot of my class came off the waitlist too). Good luck!
 
For current IUSM students, what does a typical week look like for M1s? In terms of class timing, in person vs online times, etc. Thank you!
 
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glioblast said:
For current IUSM students, what does a typical week look like for M1s? In terms of class timing, in person vs online times, etc. Thank you!
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We have 1-4 hours of online lectures scheduled every day (usually 2 hours) that we watch in our own time. We then have small groups too which can be between 1 to 4 hours long. Usually they're scheduled to be 2 hours long. Small groups are PBL style based questions which imo are very helpful. There are mixed opinions on if they're useful or not, but personally I find them good practice. The exam questions are definitely easier, and practicing on these really help enforce the content.

In your first course though (Human Structure), almost all small groups is just cadaver labs, but the exam includes identifying structures on the cadavers. I also found it very helpful. Images on lectures vs what you actually see sometimes are very different. These labs were generally scheduled to be 3 hours long every other day. You rotate between people in your groups of 6, so 3 people dissect one day, and the next group of 3 dissect the next day. However, the days you are not dissecting, one of your groups of 3 have to be present to teach what you all dissected the day before. This is done on a rotational basis, and iirc I had to teach 4 days in total.

We also have a class called Foundations of Clinical Practice which runs once a week, where we learn how to do a physical exam and document our findings. It's scheduled for 4 hours, but we rarely we ever take that long. We sometimes have practice on standardized patients scheduled throughout the semester which takes roughly 2-3 hours from start to finish.

The duration of all the above are the same for all campuses, but the timing is campus dependent.

Let me know if you have any specific questions!
 
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SpicyHotSauce said:
We have 1-4 hours of online lectures scheduled every day (usually 2 hours) that we watch in our own time. We then have small groups too which can be between 1 to 4 hours long. Usually they're scheduled to be 2 hours long. Small groups are PBL style based questions which imo are very helpful. There are mixed opinions on if they're useful or not, but personally I find them good practice. The exam questions are definitely easier, and practicing on these really help enforce the content.

In your first course though (Human Structure), almost all small groups is just cadaver labs, but the exam includes identifying structures on the cadavers. I also found it very helpful. Images on lectures vs what you actually see sometimes are very different. These labs were generally scheduled to be 3 hours long every other day. You rotate between people in your groups of 6, so 3 people dissect one day, and the next group of 3 dissect the next day. However, the days you are not dissecting, one of your groups of 3 have to be present to teach what you all dissected the day before. This is done on a rotational basis, and iirc I had to teach 4 days in total.

We also have a class called Foundations of Clinical Practice which runs once a week, where we learn how to do a physical exam and document our findings. It's scheduled for 4 hours, but we rarely we ever take that long. We sometimes have practice on standardized patients scheduled throughout the semester which takes roughly 2-3 hours from start to finish.

The duration of all the above are the same for all campuses, but the timing is campus dependent.

Let me know if you have any specific questions!
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Are small groups every day? Is there a specific time they are usually scheduled or does this vary by campus?
 
anonymousiguess said:
Are small groups every day? Is there a specific time they are usually scheduled or does this vary by campus?
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Human structures, it was every other day (except for days you had to come in and teach the other group what your group of 3 dissected).

For the other classes, it was every single day. We do have some days with no small groups here and there.

The timings depends from campus to campus for the small groups for FCP, but for the main preclinical courses, they try to keep the timing the same, because the work for PBL groups for each day gets published at the same time across the state.
 
SpicyHotSauce said:
Im a current MS1 at a regional campus, doing my last block of first year. feel free to ask me any questions as I procrastinate
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I heard something about the pre-clerkship grading format potentially changing from Pass/Fail to a tiered/letter grade system because of a new bill or something. Have you heard of this and/or has IU addressed this at all? This information is important for those making a final decision in 2 weeks, so it would be much appreciated.
 
PreDeltaMed said:
I heard something about the pre-clerkship grading format potentially changing from Pass/Fail to a tiered/letter grade system because of a new bill or something. Have you heard of this and/or has IU addressed this at all? This information is important for those making a final decision in 2 weeks, so it would be much appreciated.
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Yeah, another MS1 and I were talking about it earlier on this thread.

IUSM hasn't said anything to us so far. So officially, we have no idea what's going to happen.

However, as you can see earlier in this thread, we both heard different things regarding the grading situation. It's probably best to contact IUSM at this point before you make your decision.
 
anonymousiguess said:
Are small groups every day? Is there a specific time they are usually scheduled or does this vary by campus?
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MS1 small groups are scheduled in the afternoon statewide, MS2 small groups are scheduled in the mornings statewide. Occasionally you'll have things scheduled in the morning during MS1 and opposite is true for MS2 (one exception is the Foundations of Clinical Practice class).

For MS2 you don't have small group every day. There are significantly more days where you don't have anything scheduled in-person during MS2. For example, there is one class in MS2 where small group is virtual/optional attendance for essentially half the class.
 
JustForAWhile said:
Long time lurker, literally just created an account to start prepping for re-app. Got the A this morning through Email!!!!!!! IS, LM: 69. I suspect my updates were significant but just a hunch.
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Congratulations!!! Hoping that happens to me too. If you don’t mind, when did you send updates?
 
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