2024-2025 UTMB (Sealy)

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Houston is an option for rotations, though when I say “Houston” I mean “you could be assigned anywhere within a 50 mile radius of Houston” and does not guarantee downtown (and not TMC if that’s what you’re asking - the other schools have that on lock save for 1-2 short rotations).

This map is outdated (we no longer send folks to Tyler for example) but gives somewhat of a sense of what “Houston” could look like:

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It depends which track you are on. The tracks are assigned via lottery, and unfortunately you have minimal say over where you are sent (unless you have a very compelling reason to stay local, such as having a child or needing to caretake a family member, etc). Even if you are Galveston track, you may be sent to a far flung city such as Beaumont for a rotation.

Some other cities in play are Angleton, Corpus Christi, Beaumont, and possibly any city in Texas where you have housing (for your outpatient FM). Psychiatry inpatient is in Houston regardless of your track.

Some of our MS3 materials should be viewable publicly:

Welcome

www.utmb.edu www.utmb.edu

Good rule of thumb is to not schedule or plan anything for MS3 that requires you to be consistently in a certain place.
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chicandtoughness said:
Houston is an option for rotations, though when I say “Houston” I mean “you could be assigned anywhere within a 50 mile radius of Houston” and does not guarantee downtown (and not TMC if that’s what you’re asking - the other schools have that on lock save for 1-2 short rotations).

This map is outdated (we no longer send folks to Tyler for example) but gives somewhat of a sense of what “Houston” could look like:

Hospital Sites Map

www.utmb.edu www.utmb.edu

It depends which track you are on. The tracks are assigned via lottery, and unfortunately you have minimal say over where you are sent (unless you have a very compelling reason to stay local, such as having a child or needing to caretake a family member, etc). Even if you are Galveston track, you may be sent to a far flung city such as Beaumont for a rotation.

Some other cities in play are Angleton, Corpus Christi, Beaumont, and possibly any city in Texas where you have housing (for your outpatient FM). Psychiatry inpatient is in Houston regardless of your track.

Some of our MS3 materials should be viewable publicly:

Welcome

www.utmb.edu www.utmb.edu

Good rule of thumb is to not schedule or plan anything for MS3 that requires you to be consistently in a certain place.
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@chicandtoughness they used to go to St. Joseph Hospital in Houston for inpatient psychiatry, is that still the place?
 
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Are they still sending out interview invites? Completed my ll+asynch interview on 10/10.
 
Does anyone have any recommendations/specific resources on how to prep for the UTMB JSSOM MMIs? Please message me, I’d greatly appreciate any guidance!/advice!
 
chicandtoughness said:
Houston is an option for rotations, though when I say “Houston” I mean “you could be assigned anywhere within a 50 mile radius of Houston” and does not guarantee downtown (and not TMC if that’s what you’re asking - the other schools have that on lock save for 1-2 short rotations).

This map is outdated (we no longer send folks to Tyler for example) but gives somewhat of a sense of what “Houston” could look like:

Hospital Sites Map

www.utmb.edu www.utmb.edu

It depends which track you are on. The tracks are assigned via lottery, and unfortunately you have minimal say over where you are sent (unless you have a very compelling reason to stay local, such as having a child or needing to caretake a family member, etc). Even if you are Galveston track, you may be sent to a far flung city such as Beaumont for a rotation.

Some other cities in play are Angleton, Corpus Christi, Beaumont, and possibly any city in Texas where you have housing (for your outpatient FM). Psychiatry inpatient is in Houston regardless of your track.

Some of our MS3 materials should be viewable publicly:

Welcome

www.utmb.edu www.utmb.edu

Good rule of thumb is to not schedule or plan anything for MS3 that requires you to be consistently in a certain place.
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I appreciate the info, thank you! I clicked on that first link and see a bunch of different hospitals in Texas with different clerkships. I was wondering how those are assigned and when you find out where you go.
 
Heyo. I just found some data on the UTMB website. Does this mean they accept almost 510 students last year? That seems like a lot even given how the match system works.
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CYaL8Er01 said:
Heyo. I just found some data on the UTMB website. Does this mean they accept almost 510 students last year? That seems like a lot even given how the match system works. View attachment 395629
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Some of the initial offers will go to applicants who also had other TMDSAS offers. A person can only attend one school.
Match will fill those in, adding to the “total” number of offers.
Then there is the period between Match Day and orientation, when gaps created will be filled from the WL.
After all is done the total number of offers is generally larger than the class size.
 
wysdoc said:
Some of the initial offers will go to applicants who also had other TMDSAS offers. A person can only attend one school.
Match will fill those in, adding to the “total” number of offers.
Then there is the period between Match Day and orientation, when gaps created will be filled from the WL.
After all is done the total number of offers is generally larger than the class size.
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Sheeesssh.
wysdoc said:
Some of the initial offers will go to applicants who also had other TMDSAS offers. A person can only attend one school.
Match will fill those in, adding to the “total” number of offers.
Then there is the period between Match Day and orientation, when gaps created will be filled from the WL.
After all is done the total number of offers is generally larger than the class size.
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sheeesh so u telling me UTMB has almost a 50% post-II A rate assuming they interview 1000 ppl? That’s pretty cool 🫡
 
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CYaL8Er01 said:
Sheeesssh.

sheeesh so u telling me UTMB has almost a 50% post-II A rate assuming they interview 1000 ppl? That’s pretty cool 🫡
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Don't misquote me, @CYaL8Er01 although I see that your source is valid from UTMB itself.
I said that there are more offers made than the class size and that even if you are on a WL after Match Day there is time to come in from the WL.

MSAR for EY 2024 lists the number of interviews as 867 and matriculants as 217, about 25% of those interviewing at UTMB matriculate.
MSAR doesn't include data on the number of admissions offers that don't lead to matriculation.

The general percentage of TMDSAS applicants who interviewed accepted to "some" TMDSAS school is 48% for Texans and 17% for OOS applicants. So overall getting to the interview stage makes it a 50/50 chance for a Texas TMDSAS applicant.
 
Texas has great system that allows lot of people to get an admission during match or after. Prematch process is biased towards their best students getting multiple admissions which you can see with most people who post about their prematches - riches of 3-6 prematches for some while zero for most even with 2-5 interviews. UTMB is no different that in prematches they admit a lot of people who eventually pick one of their other prematch/non yet admitted schools during the match (Baylor, UTSW, McGovern, EnMed, Dell usually outrank UTMB in preference). They could in theory admit 250 prematches, lose 200+ and admit another 200 during match.
 
texasvandy said:
Texas has great system that allows lot of people to get an admission during match or after. Prematch process is biased towards their best students getting multiple admissions which you can see with most people who post about their prematches - riches of 3-6 prematches for some while zero for most even with 2-5 interviews. UTMB is no different that in prematches they admit a lot of people who eventually pick one of their other prematch/non yet admitted schools during the match (Baylor, UTSW, McGovern, EnMed, Dell usually outrank UTMB in preference). They could in theory admit 250 prematches, lose 200+ and admit another 200 during match.
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The highest we've seen that's from legit data was the EY2021 cycle where 170 prematches was the highest out of any school. I'm guessing that was UTMB
 
PolarIceLongLastingFlavor said:
The highest we've seen that's from legit data was the EY2021 cycle where 170 prematches was the highest out of any school. I'm guessing that was UTMB
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Only McGovern is known to not admit their full continent of the class in prematches.

Not certain most of the others hold back in their prematches ahead of the match process.
 
Im pretty sure its common practice for schools to fill their class with prematch offers and then use the match system to fill in any seats that a prematched student declined. Im sure there are exceptions like mcgovern.
 
anonymous1234556 said:
Im pretty sure its common practice for schools to fill their class with prematch offers and then use the match system to fill in any seats that a prematched student declined. Im sure there are exceptions like mcgovern.
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I'm pretty sure you don't understand the Match.
There are hardly any pre-matched applicants that decline their prematch spots, they just let them all ride until Match Day.
Watch the TMDSAS video as many times as you need, to understand it.
 
wysdoc said:
I'm pretty sure you don't understand the Match.
There are hardly any pre-matched applicants that decline their prematch spots, they just let them all ride until Match Day.
Watch the TMDSAS video as many times as you need, to understand it.
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Tyler, UH, UTMB, TCOM, SHSU, and Dell all said in their info sessions that they fill their class with prematches and use the match system to fill in any remaining seats. That is why I said its a common practice, instead of an absolute practice for all schools. There are a fair share of schools that do not fill their class with prematches like tech, baylor, mcgovern, etc. There are a lot schools who do not share this information as well. When I said prematch student declines, I should have clarified that by explaining that the match does that "declining" because its good practice to accept all your prematches offers if applicable and ranking. I agree with your second point.
 
That means they send as many prematches as the class size. Then where is this metric "only 1 in 7 of accepted students gets a prematch" coming from?
 
soapapple said:
That means they send as many prematches as the class size. Then where is this metric "only 1 in 7 of accepted students gets a prematch" coming from?
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1 in 7 students that are accepted via TMDSAS get their MD acceptance via a prematch. The other 6 find out on match day.

Many people receiving prematches have multiple offers, so despite the fact that ~2500 people are accepted, ~450 of them will receive AT LEAST a single prematch offer. Of those 450, many will receive multiple offers. I can't remember the exact numbers for those that receive multiple offers, but it's rather small.

All of this is to say that it's a nice surprise when you get one but it shouldn't be expected, even at prematch-heavy schools. A majority of people don't know a single thing until match day. The sampling bias of SDN can be rather deceiving, though 😛
 
The following are the class sizes.
MD schools:
Tyler - 40
UH - 60
UTMB - 230
Dell - 50

DO schools:
TCOM - 230
SHSU - 150

If we consider only MD schools for that 450, it looks like both arguments are true assuming UTMB gives most but not all prematches. The rest of 8 MD schools may give around 100 prematches. My gut feeling is that number would be higher, around 150.
 
Hello! if UTMB is our top choice should we send an LOI now? or would it make more sense to send one after the first round of prematches?
 
winniedapoop said:
Hello! if UTMB is our top choice should we send an LOI now? or would it make more sense to send one after the first round of prematches?
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LOIs are meaningless unless you have some negotiating leverage like admissions/prematches elsewhere. If you have any updates to make, you can make them and add that UTMB is your top choice.
 
soapapple said:
That means they send as many prematches as the class size. Then where is this metric "only 1 in 7 of accepted students gets a prematch" coming from?
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I think it's important to remember that the 1 in 7 "interviewed" students get a prematch data is from 2021. Back then, Tyler did not exist, UH was only 30 people, some schools had different policies, and SHSU was still private. So, I think using that statement in 2024-2025, should be taken with a grain of salt as a lot of things have and could have changed in these 4 years.
 
anonymous1234556 said:
I think it's important to remember that the 1 in 7 "interviewed" students get a prematch data is from 2021. Back then, Tyler did not exist, UH was only 30 people, some schools had different policies, and SHSU was still private. So, I think using that statement in 2024-2025, should be taken with a grain of salt as a lot of things have and could have changed in these 4 years.
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I also think it should be considered that although some schools fill their class with prematches, it would most likely be the same top people accumulating most of the prematches. In other words, a small minority will have most of the acceptances which would then be redistributed during the match.
 
CYaL8Er01 said:
I also think it should be considered that although some schools fill their class with prematches, it would most likely be the same top people accumulating most of the prematches. In other words, a small minority will have most of the acceptances which would then be redistributed during the match.
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This is what happens which is why there are so few prematched applicants with at least one.
 
CYaL8Er01 said:
Heyo. I just found some data on the UTMB website. Does this mean they accept almost 510 students last year? That seems like a lot even given how the match system works. View attachment 395629
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In addition to what others have said, also recognize that these are numbers for all the schools and programs. So "SOM" also includes PA applicants I believe.
 
FlyingJit said:
I appreciate the info, thank you! I clicked on that first link and see a bunch of different hospitals in Texas with different clerkships. I was wondering how those are assigned and when you find out where you go.
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You will fill out a preference for whether you want to be "Houston track" or "Galveston track" and are assigned via lottery. The specific hospitals you go to will depend on the clerkship. Some will allow you to rank, some of them you will be assigned at random. In general, expect to not have a lot of control over where you end up and be flexible.
 
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chicandtoughness said:
In addition to what others have said, also recognize that these are numbers for all the schools and programs. So "SOM" also includes PA applicants I believe.
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I mean if anything the most likely number is around 400 people that get accepted. I do agree that a sizable chunk of prematches go somewhere else and the rest is filled after the match. I do want to know if all prematches are made Dec 13 since they take their time to review most applicants or if they trickle throughout the month.
 
Tcorrea 23 said:
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I mean if anything the most likely number is around 400 people that get accepted. I do agree that a sizable chunk of prematches go somewhere else and the rest is filled after the match. I do want to know if all prematches are made Dec 13 since they take their time to review most applicants or if they trickle throughout the month.
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Speculating and calculating, guessing and debating will not make the time go faster
I hope you can take your mind off the what-ifs for a few days over the holiday weekend
 
Tcorrea 23 said:
I do want to know if all prematches are made Dec 13 since they take their time to review most applicants or if they trickle throughout the month.
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Purely logically speaking, given the last applicants are interviewed 12/12, I highly doubt that the entire batch of prematches will be released on 12/13.
 
chicandtoughness said:
Purely logically speaking, given the last applicants are interviewed 12/12, I highly doubt that the entire batch of prematches will be released on 12/13.
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Yeah last year there were waves of prematches, but lets say you interviewed in september you might get a prematch in the first wave. But at the same time you could also get it in any of the waves, or match day itself.
 
Tcorrea 23 said:
Well what if im also waiting for the thanksgiving food to be ready 😔
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Tcorrea 23 said:
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I mean if anything the most likely number is around 400 people that get accepted. I do agree that a sizable chunk of prematches go somewhere else and the rest is filled after the match. I do want to know if all prematches are made Dec 13 since they take their time to review most applicants or if they trickle throughout the month.
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What’s so special about Dec 13? Is that like the first wave of prematches?
 
CYaL8Er01 said:
What’s so special about Dec 13? Is that like the first wave of prematches?
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Everyone is just theorycrafting and making guesses. Do not assume anything from this thread.

12/12 is the last day of interviews so some folks are really hoping that prematches will start going out on 12/13.
anonymous1234556 said:
Yeah last year there were waves of prematches, but lets say you interviewed in september you might get a prematch in the first wave. But at the same time you could also get it in any of the waves, or match day itself.
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I'm well aware. I'm just saying that not all prematches are coming out on 12/13, and there may not be anything that comes out on that date at all.
 
Does anyone know how preview day invitations are chosen?
 
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chicandtoughness said:
If you successfully completed the interview circuit you will be invited.

It has no bearing and is no indication on who will receive pre/matches.
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I see I see! The reason why I asked is because I have my preview day coming up and when I was double checking the date, I noticed only 450 preview day spots were available. Is there a reason where there a so few preview spots available when UTMB interviews almost 900-1000? Apologies for any inconvenience if this was already answered prior.
 
CYaL8Er01 said:
I see I see! The reason why I asked is because I have my preview day coming up and when I was double checking the date, I noticed only 450 preview day spots were available. Is there a reason where there a so few preview spots available when UTMB interviews almost 900-1000? Apologies for any inconvenience if this was already answered prior.
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I think there were 2-3 days available to choose from that had about 450 spots each, which gives everyone who interviews a chance to get a day. Logistically, having only one day for almost a 1000 people can be unrealistic. I’m excited for preview day!! Should be fun.(correction: there were 150 to 100 openings for each day)
 
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notadogorcat said:
I think there were 2-3 days available to choose from that had about 450 spots each, which gives everyone who interviews a chance to get a day. Logistically, having only one day for almost a 1000 people can be unrealistic. I’m excited for preview day!! Should be fun.
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From the Sign up, it was 150 for day one and 100 for the remaining three days
 
Tcorrea 23 said:
Are we sure theres absolutely no correlation with that and your chances to get in? That’s so odd to me that some people just don’t get an invite
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I was under the impression that everyone who interviewed got the email for preview day lol. If your scenario is the case where only certain students got the email is true, I think you are onto something.
 
texasvandy said:
You all are imagining things. 🙂
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I thought everyone got the preview day invite? Is that not the case? I thought that the general consensus was there was no discrimination for preview day and everyone who interviewed got it, but now you are implying that what I'm saying is not true. 🤔
 
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