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[Crayola227]

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I think of it’s more that you spent a cycle not wolf hunting and focused on a 3P. With that AM expressed concern based on your interactions with wolves before her death and was unable to articulate why. I don’t think it’s just VCA, at least it isn’t for me.
I haven’t been able to go back and read those interactions, though.

This feels like defense of 3P.

 

[samac]

This feels like defense of 3P.

Oooh look you found a post where I call you out for not wolf hunting AND YOU CONTINUE TO DO IT

 

[Trilt]

Why are you just trusting LIS like that?
I don't understand your willingness to believe a claim someone makes on thread versus what the village confirmed seer read someone as. Like, I legitimately don't understand it.

It makes absolutely no sense. Her whole endless spiel on neutrals vs 3p has made no sense.

But is it wolfy? That's where I'm struggling.

 

[Crayola227]

ugh. I know. I find you are probably villager, I just don't think MsP is a wolf either. I have been reading and don't know still. I fell asleep pretty early last night, so hopefully there will be more lively discussion today to dig through at some point. Everyone is stuck on the same PoE it seems, so not very helpful for discussion. haha

Doesn't think I'm a wolf, thinks I'm village, bur voting me over non-village. Sure, pays lip service to voting mayo, but voting a village read instead. How does this not read as shielding 3P exactly?

 

[supershorty]

It makes absolutely no sense. Her whole endless spiel on neutrals vs 3p has made no sense.

But is it wolfy? That's where I'm struggling.

I can see it being wolfy. I can also see it just being an obsession.

Where I'm struggling more is with the avoidance, stretches, and contradictions today. I don't know if it's just absolute panicked villager throwing everything in the air and hoping something is right, or absolute panicked wolf doing the same thing. Like I mentioned, I have never seen Cray under pressure like this. She's never been yeeted in a game I played - she's always been NKed. So I don't know if I should be reading this as AI or not.

 

[Barkley13]

If the amount of effort and info dumping that I've done on this thread hasn't convinced you that I'm village at this point, I really don't know what I CAN do short of screenshotting my role PM. Which I would do if I were allowed to.

Yes that’s pretty much why I’ve been village reading you. I’d be pretty impressed if you were a wolf tbh

Ghost of drunk-Lawpy tinfoil:

2 packs?

It explains some of the bussing, the tie, and going from 2 NK to 1 NK.

I was going to say that if there were 2 packs wouldn’t they flip different colors? So doesn’t really explain cyndia bussing alley when it was a tie but I see trilts theory that the second pack hasn’t flipped yet

 

[Crayola227]

Ffs I am not flailing, you guys are throwing pure crap at me today, you're voting someone who there are good reasons to think is village (and yes, I can understand some of the points against me, doesn't mean there is no evidence I am village as well) instead of a possible village threat.

I have NEVER been in a game with more than one non-village non-wolf non-NPC entity that did not have an exclusive wincon. When there's more than one 3P, at least one of them has an exclusive wincon in my experience. I've been trying to make you guys see the danger in this for DAYS and it hasn't been talked about seriously since Monday as the quotes I am pulling is showing.

I am making my case for my point that I feel that it is a non-village party that has control of the thread. For why I have the perception 3P is being shielded. You can disagree but it isn't baseless I have pulled 2 quotes and will continue.

But I had to seriously **** off IRL I had going today. I'm soaked in rain in my car waiting out a storm I got stuck in.

 

[Crayola227]

I’m willing to discuss just about everyone at this point.
I honestly feel so confused and whoever the deep busser is will replace AM as my forever salt vote.

given its 1pm EST (I think?) I’m going to
Unyeet cray
Yeet MsP

she claimed vanilla and just disappeared. No more defense. I don’t like it and think it’s sketchy.
doesn’t mean I still don’t feel a kind of way about cray, but it feels like maybe she’s a wolf who’s given up.

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my plans today for early hiking have been thwarted by the snow and current 20 degree weather. I packed for the 50’s lol. So y’all get me while I’m at the hotel restaurant for breakfast trying to make a game plan to see the snow covered Grand Canyon 😒
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I will say if cray is a wolf she has upped her game tremendously from last time and I tip my had to her. She was pretty solidly village to me until I was considering AM’s points and the 3P focus that happened last cycle.

the other thing I kind f forgot over the last day with cray is she was the the 3 way tie with Kata and alley. Alley put her vote on cray. Knowing votes aren’t moveable it may have been a mistake, but if they were both wolves they could have taken kata down instead and saved them both for the night and had another chance of blocking the next night.
It doesn’t make much sense to me to have 2 wolves in that 3 way tie and risk losing 2 at once, but I know others have different thoughts on that.

So did I up my game or did I give up? Or are you just trying to see what sticks?

 

[Crayola227]

I’m sitting with the neutral for now. Due to the hyper focus on 3P when it was mentioned, the mention of cults.
She did not have a very good wolf game last time she wolfed and I’m sure she’d step it up.

yeet cray

The main reason going for me is I'm hunting what isn't village. Feels wolfy or 3P shielding.

 

[Crayola227]

Time is tick, ticking away. You haven't even disposed yourself of the late Suchong's little pets just yet, quite unfortunate as the extra ADAM their charges possess could be your ticket to a greener future- or at least spare you from a watery grave at the hands of Fontaine. Of course, I'm starting to doubt your strength to handle that task, and to survive this whole mess at all. If my project falls I may save one of you just to kill you myself.

Hmmm, Suchong's little pets vs Fontaine. If we think Fontaine and his agents are wolves, what do you think Suchong's pets are? Also implies whatever they are, leaving them alive could lead to a watery death.

 

[samac]

So did I up my game or did I give up? Or are you just trying to see what sticks?

You haven’t stepped up and you are still 3P hunting.

The main reason going for me is I'm hunting what isn't village. Feels wolfy or 3P shielding.

Not trying to shield anything.
I called you out for spending almost an entire cycle shouting about a confirmed neutral to the rooftops. That felt wolfy to me as a way to distract from wolf hunting and I called you out on it.

 

[Crayola227]

Oooh look you found a post where I call you out for not wolf hunting AND YOU CONTINUE TO DO IT

YOU DON'T HAVE TO OBSESS OVER WHAT A PLAYER IS IF THEY AREN'T VILLAGE THAT CAN BE ENOUGH TO WIN THE GAME

 

[Crayola227]

You haven’t stepped up and you are still 3P hunting.

Not trying to shield anything.
I called you out for spending almost an entire cycle shouting about a confirmed neutral to the rooftops. That felt wolfy to me as a way to distract from wolf hunting and I called you out on it.

I AM TRYING TO KILL WHAT I DON'T THINK IS VILLAGE AND NO VILLAGER SHOULD EVER HAVE TO APOLOGISE FOR THAT

 

[Trilt]

Hmmm, Suchong's little pets vs Fontaine. If we think Fontaine and his agents are wolves, what do you think Suchong's pets are? Also implies whatever they are, leaving them alive could lead to a watery death.

Suchong was a scientist character important in development of the little sisters/big daddies, so those are likely the "pets."

 

[Crayola227]

I found an audio diary last night. The gist of it was that someone (I don't know who, it just said "we") is producing a new model of Big Daddy that can kill groups of people.

But let's just ignore this.

 

[Crayola227]

I've been pushing Katamac and Chaos, not based on any sort of strong theory they are 3P and not wolves.

WOLF HUNTING HELLOOOOOOOOO

The 3P thing is something that Samac has been picking on me for for days. Because it's easy to pick on.

And if people say something stupid about 3P, they know I'll respond. It's a big ****ing distraction but one I have not been driving, because as you can see it gets you negative attention. Based on the thread reread, I haven't pushed hard about lynching 3P since SUNDAY. But every time someone wants to say how harmless 3P is, I'm gonna have to correct the notion.

 

[holdthemayo]

@holdthemayo what is your wincon?

I'm neutral, I can win with either side. I've been trying to win with village.

I don't know how I can prove this to you more than being seered as neutral. I might as well claim it's to say Wisconsin 60 times. I don't think you'll believe me whatever I say.

 

[Crayola227]

I found an audio diary last night. The gist of it was that someone (I don't know who, it just said "we") is producing a new model of Big Daddy that can kill groups of people.

Based on the reveal about at least 3 3P, do you think there's more of them or wolves at this point? Which faction do you think is powering up to have a bunch of kills?

 

[supershorty]

Based on the reveal about at least 3 3P, do you think there's more of them or wolves at this point? Which faction do you think is powering up to have a bunch of kills?

I. don't. take. LIS. at. his. word.

I don't know why you do. He said something on the thread. Great, anyone can say something on the thread.
I really want to think you're village based on how I read you across the game to this point, but you're making it really hard with your posts today.

 

[Crayola227]

I'm neutral, I can win with either side. I've been trying to win with village.

I don't know how I can prove this to you more than being seered as neutral. I might as well claim it's to say Wisconsin 60 times. I don't think you'll believe me whatever I say.

Is there anything else to your wincon? Any reason for the quotes? What do you make of this possible deadly Big Daddy power up? From what I know of the game, they are not aligned with Fontaine.

 

[holdthemayo]

mayo = neutral. He’s a god damn waste of our time

Dad?

Spoiler: Ouch

 

[Crayola227]

I. don't. take. LIS. at. his. word.

I don't know why you do. He said something on the thread. Great, anyone can say something on the thread.
I really want to think you're village based on how I read you across the game to this point, but you're making it really hard with your posts today.

So you think he made that up?

If he's lying, he's a better lynch choice.

If he's telling the truth, I'm still not a good choice and it means I've been on to something.

 

[supershorty]

So you think he made that up?

If he's lying, he's a better lynch choice.

If he's telling the truth, I'm still not a good choice and it means I've been on to something.

I'm saying I don't see a reason to take it as absolute truth and I don't know why you do.

I'm still thinking about what Trilt posted.

 

[Crayola227]

that was the wolfiest thing you could have said “if we get the wolf game might end and we lose!”

I’m not arguing this stupid point anymore.
mayo = neutral. He’s a god damn waste of our time
LiS = claiming neutral. We don’t know. Could be worth a lynch. I was considering switching to him, but this comment is going to keep my vote on you.

Ffs there are games on this site that it happened. I won as a 3P one game that way!!!!!!

 

[Crayola227]

I'm saying I don't see a reason to take it as absolute truth and I don't know why you do.

I'm still thinking about what Trilt posted.

I have reasons to believe LIS' claim is true.

 

[supershorty]

I have reasons to believe LIS' claim is true.

Reasons beyond "he said it on the thread and it's the kind of thing I wanted someone to say about 3Ps"?

 

[Crayola227]

Reasons beyond "he said it on the thread and it's the kind of thing I wanted someone to say about 3Ps"?

Yep, reasons besides that's what he said.

 

[Trilt]

Is there anything else to your wincon? Any reason for the quotes? What do you make of this possible deadly Big Daddy power up? From what I know of the game, they are not aligned with Fontaine.

Cray, stop and think and listen before you post.

People have noted more than once that Mayo said he was a fan and going to post quotes from the game before roles were even out.

The "big daddy power up" is from the radio transmitters, which are thus far almost direct quotes from the game.

 

[supershorty]

I'm looking at this while I'm in a meeting and so I need to look at it more when I can take a moment to really digest it and try to understand it. But I realized while reading it that I've never actually seen Cray under pressure like this before, so I guess I don't know if the flailing is AI or not. She's contradicting herself a lot, which really feels off to me. Is this what you've seen her do before when she's under pressure?

I'm not locked in on voting her tonight, but her posts today have really not helped me move her more village.

@Trilt I think this got lost in the flurry, but since you've played with Cray more than I have, I'd love your thoughts on my question here.

 

[Trilt]

Yep, reasons besides that's what he said.

Clarify this.

You don't necessarily have reason to believe that LIS is neutral, as far as I understand. Just that more 3p is likely?

 

[holdthemayo]

Is there anything else to your wincon? Any reason for the quotes? What do you make of this possible deadly Big Daddy power up? From what I know of the game, they are not aligned with Fontaine.

I already explained the quotes.

I said I was going to heavily quote the game in the sign up thread before we started. I even quoted the thread where I said I would do it. I bought and replayed the remastered version of first game in the two weeks after sign ups opened because I was so excited about this theme.

People couldn't tell that the first one was a quote, so after that I put them in italics so it would be obvious.

 

[Lupin21]

I like neutrals. I put them in my games, I think they're extremely fun to design and fit very well in a lot of places and with a lot of characters who aren't strictly bad/good. It's NAI, and I've been very upfront about my inclinations that way since it came out they were in the game.

I also get rather sketched out when there's more than one or two of them, and LIS claiming 3+ earlier in the game is one reason why I'd not be sad at all about a Lupin flip. I think it might tell us more about the neutral situation (in addition to my typical recommendations to not letting her live into end game, lol). *shrug*

I don't get this though. Why go for someone you are now assuming is neutral rather than mayo, one who was actually seered as neutral and hasn't done that much as far as voting wolves... I am not following your thinking at all here.

 

[Lupin21]

How are others so known to you?

I have all the people on my island in pm, so that means I know something about them. Mayo seered neutral.

 

[Trilt]

@Trilt I think this got lost in the flurry, but since you've played with Cray more than I have, I'd love your thoughts on my question here.

It's literally been years since we played together, but I've definitely seen her get very adamant and annoyed with suspicions and as far as I know I've never played with her as a wolf, so it feels consistent with her meta.

I dunno. I'd be really annoyed if I got talked out of lynching her and she did flip wolf, but I just feel crappy about this lynch.

I know I'm harping on this, but it would be SO WEIRD for two wolves to decide to smoke cigs the same night. So odd for one to start liking posts but others not. So weird for a wolf to draw so much attention to themselves about 3p. Etc. It just all gives me bad feels.

 

[Trilt]

I don't get this though. Why go for someone you are now assuming is neutral rather than mayo, one who was actually seered as neutral and hasn't done that much as far as voting wolves... I am not following your thinking at all here.

Because just like your group of people, I can talk to mayo and have felt good about his thought process and claim.

I've also done jack **** for voting for wolves and I know I'm village, lol, so I'm not holding that against anyone.

And I'm not necessarily assuming LIS/you are neutral. I'm just going with what LIS claimed and his hard defending of you every time I mention you as a possibility.

 

[holdthemayo]

I don't get this though. Why go for someone you are now assuming is neutral rather than mayo, one who was actually seered as neutral and hasn't done that much as far as voting wolves... I am not following your thinking at all here.

Can you explain this?

I voted Zenge before Dina's reveal
I had alley in my wolf reads
And I helped vote out Cynd and had yeet votes on her on days prior

Short of finding the 4th wolf on my own, what more do you want from my votes?

 

[supershorty]

It's literally been years since we played together, but I've definitely seen her get very adamant and annoyed with suspicions and as far as I know I've never played with her as a wolf, so it feels consistent with her meta.

I dunno. I'd be really annoyed if I got talked out of lynching her and she did flip wolf, but I just feel crappy about this lynch.

I know I'm harping on this, but it would be SO WEIRD for two wolves to decide to smoke cigs the same night. So odd for one to start liking posts but others not. So weird for a wolf to draw so much attention to themselves about 3p. Etc. It just all gives me bad feels.

I mean, I've seen her get really upset too. I misread her in the last game (well, I misinterpreted a night result that I got and then we got into a fight as a result of that changing my read on her), and was on the receiving end of some spice. Deservedly, for the record. But that just felt different from this - because she keeps being obtuse about things, and I don't know if it's panic or if it's intentional.

I want to believe that it's just village freak out, but I can't help but have misgivings at the same time because of what her posts are saying.

 

[Trilt]

I'll add her role claim is unverifiable, but is something that I really feel *should* be in this game. Like I thought "damn we need one of these" a couple days ago. So that also might be influencing my decision in part.

 

[Crayola227]

Clarify this.

You don't necessarily have reason to believe that LIS is neutral, as far as I understand. Just that more 3p is likely?

Reason to think more 3P is likely.

My sus on LIS being one comes from thread reading.

 

[kaydubs]

Dad?

Spoiler: Ouch

I love Boy Meets World

 

[Lupin21]

Can you explain this?

I voted Zenge before Dina's reveal
I had alley in my wolf reads
And I helped vote out Cynd and had yeet votes on her on days prior

Short of finding the 4th wolf on my own, what more do you want from my votes?

Did you really? I seem to remember looking at VCA and you being off wagon during the daily posts. If not, I'm ok with that. I don't know guys. There is someone hiding here.

vote jaboo

because she is skating by at this point. I'm tired and you guys are working your asses off, so to put it in trilt terms, if one of you is a wolf, then good on ya. I maybe will have more energy, but for now this is just exhausting me further. It's not me, it's not LIS, and if it is samac or chaos, I'll eat that famous hat.

 

[kaydubs]

Day 9: We’re Not Finished! Not Finished! Vote Tally

samac (2) - Chaostrodon, Cray
Chaostrodon (2) - LIS, jaboo
Cray (4) - supershorty, samac, mayo, Barks
Lupin ()
LIS (1) - Trilt
jaboo (1) - Lupin

10/10

Leading: @Crayola227

Missing: —

Deadline: 10pm EST on 3/18/21 (~2.25 hours)

 

[Crayola227]

I already explained the quotes.

I said I was going to heavily quote the game in the sign up thread before we started. I even quoted the thread where I said I would do it. I bought and replayed the remastered version of first game in the two weeks after sign ups opened because I was so excited about this theme.

People couldn't tell that the first one was a quote, so after that I put them in italics so it would be obvious.

Ok. Thanks. Feel a teensy bit better now.

 

[Trilt]

Did you really? I seem to remember looking at VCA and you being off wagon during the daily posts. If not, I'm ok with that. I don't know guys. There is someone hiding here.

vote jaboo

because she is skating by at this point. I'm tired and you guys are working your asses off, so to put it in trilt terms, if one of you is a wolf, then good on ya. I maybe will have more energy, but for now this is just exhausting me further. It's not me, it's not LIS, and if it is samac or chaos, I'll eat that famous hat.

Oh my god seriously

Can I PLEASE get other people interested in your lynch at this point?

Jaboo? The rezzer? That's your highest wolf lean at this point? While standard "being busy is NAI" applies, being literally in finals week is a pretty good excuse for minimal engagement.

This feels like an absolute nothing vote and I expect better from you.

 

[supershorty]

Unyeet Cray

Need to think about things.

 

[Trilt]

My sus on LIS being one comes from thread reading.

...from when he basically claimed it explicitly, lol?

 

[Lupin21]

Oh my god seriously

Can I PLEASE get other people interested in your lynch at this point?

Jaboo? The rezzer? That's your highest wolf lean at this point? While standard "being busy is NAI" applies, being literally in finals week is a pretty good excuse for minimal engagement.

This feels like an absolute nothing vote and I expect better from you.

You know what? Go ahead and lynch me. You can't seem to move on from it, so just vote there. I did my part for village. You really think I am the last wolf, you just do that. Yup, lets assume that there are two packs and I bussed everyone except myself. Cuz I have always been about myself. Yup. that's it.

 

[supershorty]

...from when he basically claimed it explicitly, lol?

I can't speak for Cray, but I was thinking LIS was possibly 3P before he made that claim based on an exchange he and I had.

 

[Trilt]

You know what? Go ahead and lynch me. You can't seem to move on from it, so just vote there. I did my part for village. You really think I am the last wolf, you just do that. Yup, lets assume that there are two packs and I bussed everyone except myself. Cuz I have always been about myself. Yup. that's it.

Please tell me you wouldn't be absolutely flabbergasted by me making a similar vote.

No justification beyond just decreased activity, literally a rezzer, and that's the top vote? Like, I would feel better if you just lynched me haha.

 

[Lupin21]

You know what? Go ahead and lynch me. You can't seem to move on from it, so just vote there. I did my part for village. You really think I am the last wolf, you just do that. Yup, lets assume that there are two packs and I bussed everyone except myself. Cuz I have always been about myself. Yup. that's it.

Come on, Trilt. You say I haven't paid attention to you doing some sort of claim? That's bull and you know it. I don't know what to do with you. You have **** voting record and I will tell you right now if you can't get off me, you haven't done a single thing right in the game. That can go in the awwards though, so maybe that's the glory you're after. 😛